2014-15 NFL Offseason Thread (Non Draft Edition) - Page 19

Grover · 03-09-2015, 10:14 AM

AJ Hawk is visiting the Bengals today. I like this if we sign him as a back-up, eventual fill in for the perpetually injured Bufict.

ColtCrazy · 03-09-2015, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Ugh.

Sources: Willis considering retirement | CSN Bay Area

Love watching him play. What a loss for the 49ers. Can never blame a guy for walking away when he feels ready to do so.

albionmoonlight · 03-09-2015, 11:01 AM

Patrick Willis. No doubt Hall of Famer, right?

Chief Rum · 03-09-2015, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Patrick Willis. No doubt Hall of Famer, right?

Not to me. I think he's terrific, but he isn't a Singletary type. He frankly hasn't played long enough to get a "no doubt" nod, the Niners didn't win a Super Bowl while he was there and the defense, while very good at times, never got the kind of pub that, say, the 85 Bears did, or the 2000 Ravens or the recent Seahawks teams.

Will he be considered? I would guess he would.

albionmoonlight · 03-09-2015, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Not to me. I think he's terrific, but he isn't a Singletary type. He frankly hasn't played long enough to get a "no doubt" nod, the Niners didn't win a Super Bowl while he was there and the defense, while very good at times, never got the kind of pub that, say, the 85 Bears did, or the 2000 Ravens or the recent Seahawks teams.

Will he be considered? I would guess he would.

He was an elite player for seven seasons for an elite defense. That's long enough for me. But I also wish the Hall of Fame focused less on longevity and more on impact during a career.

He should be an interesting case whose election will probably have more to do with the voters's theory about what a Hall of Fame should be than about his actual ability. Kind of the flip-side of the Tim Brown/Art Monk discussions.

Arles · 03-09-2015, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Looks like 5 years, $55M for the Maclin deal.

Wow, looks like Cobb really did give GB the hometown discount.

Logan · 03-09-2015, 11:43 AM

Willis was also a 5x 1st team All Pro. I'm not sure how that compares to others but it sounds pretty impressive on its own merit.

Chief Rum · 03-09-2015, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Willis was also a 5x 1st team All Pro. I'm not sure how that compares to others but it sounds pretty impressive on its own merit.

True. I'm not saying he's not a Hall of Famer, but my impression isn't he's a lock, the way Singletary or Taylor or Butkus were, and presumeably Lewis and Urlacher will be.

I am an anti-Niners fan from my Rams days, but I have always liked Willis a lot, in spite of that. I will be rooting for him to get in.

QuikSand · 03-09-2015, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

He was an elite player for seven seasons for an elite defense. That's long enough for me. But I also wish the Hall of Fame focused less on longevity and more on impact during a career.

He should be an interesting case whose election will probably have more to do with the voters's theory about what a Hall of Fame should be than about his actual ability. Kind of the flip-side of the Tim Brown/Art Monk discussions.

Hear, hear. Gets my vote for sure.

Julio Riddols · 03-09-2015, 12:22 PM

Goodness, the NFC West isn't going to be the best division in football next year.. I think Frisco is on a nose dive to the basement. Justin Smith also expected to retire. Jed York is going to be the most hated man in California in a heartbeat.

Galaril · 03-09-2015, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

I'm very okay with my team signing TE Julius THomas

Enjoy having a TE that either does not know how to block at all or is too soft to block. He is as Shannon Sharp said recently "Pharmacy cotton soft!" Basically a 250 pound Wide Receiver. Won't be sorry to see him go.

Chief Rum · 03-09-2015, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril

Enjoy having a TE that either does not know how to block at all or is too soft to block. He is as Shannon Sharp said recently "Pharmacy cotton soft!" Basically a 250 pound Wide Receiver. Won't be sorry to see him go.

You're like the Broncos' own DaddyTorgo!

Galaril · 03-09-2015, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

You're like the Broncos' own DaddyTorgo!

Haha maybe. Funny I am from Boston;-)

Galaril · 03-09-2015, 01:26 PM

To be fair I think JT was a creation of a great QB.

BillJasper · 03-09-2015, 01:30 PM

Gotta love talking heads trying to create headlines...

ESPN’s Stephen A. Smith suggests racism in Chip Kelly’s roster moves | ProFootballTalk

Galaril · 03-09-2015, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

Gotta love talking heads trying to create headlines...

ESPN’s Stephen A. Smith suggests racism in Chip Kelly’s roster moves | ProFootballTalk

That is ridiculous. They're just trying too start a story where none exists.

Kodos · 03-09-2015, 01:46 PM

Let's just be happy that this time the Patriots aren't involved!

jeff061 · 03-09-2015, 01:57 PM

If his name wasn't Chip this card probably doesn't get paid.

cartman · 03-09-2015, 02:02 PM

NFL warns all 32 teams about contract leaks - ESPN

molson · 03-09-2015, 02:03 PM

Well, they did get rid of 3 black players. What are the odds of an NFL team doing that over the course of an off-season? 100%?

Grover · 03-09-2015, 02:06 PM

Smith and Bayless are abortions of sports telecasters. They should both be taken out to a nice pasture full of wheat, with the sun shining high in a beautiful blue sky and shot.

stevew · 03-09-2015, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Patrick Willis. No doubt Hall of Famer, right?

I feel like he was headed that way. Longevity for defensive guys is usually a big thing. He'll just end up needing to wait in line behind Urlacher and Lewis, etc. I see a lot of final 25s for him, but not many final 15s.

stevew · 03-09-2015, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

NFL warns all 32 teams about contract leaks - ESPN

Good thing they aren't reporting signings all over NFL.com then.

Arles · 03-09-2015, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

Gotta love talking heads trying to create headlines...

ESPN’s Stephen A. Smith suggests racism in Chip Kelly’s roster moves | ProFootballTalk

He mentions getting rid of McCoy as racist, but the team is signing Gore tomorrow. I guess Stephen A thought they were signing this Gore:

ISiddiqui · 03-09-2015, 02:27 PM

Wait... Frank Gore is a white dude?!!

Thomkal · 03-09-2015, 02:27 PM

Alex Okafor of Arizona Cardinals arrested for evading arrest - ESPN

cartman · 03-09-2015, 03:28 PM

Houston released Andre Johnson

Grover · 03-09-2015, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Houston released Andre Johnson

Bill O'Brien must be a racist.

stevew · 03-09-2015, 03:32 PM

Revis has his option declined

Logan · 03-09-2015, 03:33 PM

I really, really wish Chip Kelly would hold a press conference and go after SAS. It's the only way he'd ever actually have to account for the bullshit he spews. Otherwise this story is gone by Wednesday.

albionmoonlight · 03-09-2015, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

Alex Okafor of Arizona Cardinals arrested for evading arrest - ESPN

If he would have just kept evading, he'd have been fine.

Lathum · 03-09-2015, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Grover

Smith and Bayless are abortions of sports telecasters. They should both be taken out to a nice pasture full of wheat, with the sun shining high in a beautiful blue sky and shot.

I love Maddog Chris Russo, likely a byproduct of growing up listening to him, Logan would understand. It angers me that SAS has an afternoon show on Maddogs channel. I can't listen to him it is so bad, I guess a 40 year old white dude just can't connect with him.

Sadly I am stuck with the wanna be hip frat boys SVP and Russilo.

Abe Sargent · 03-09-2015, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jeff061

If his name wasn't Chip this card probably doesn't get paid.

What about Chester?

jeff061 · 03-09-2015, 04:24 PM

I just can't in a million years picture Revis going back to the Jets. His connection was with Ryan, not the massive shit show they have going on there.

Vince, Pt. II · 03-09-2015, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

...49ers are looking like a dumpster fire right now...

And this was before Willis and Justin Smith may be retiring. Holy crap.

BillJasper · 03-09-2015, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

And this was before Willis and Justin Smith may be retiring. Holy crap.

If Harbaugh was still the Head Coach, these things would concern me if I was a fan. But, I think Harbaugh could compete while there was turnover on the roster. But I have little faith in the coaching staff Baalke has assembled. Though they could prove me wrong, I have a feeling everyone from Baalke on down will be looking for work come 2016.

stevew · 03-09-2015, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

If he would have just kept evading, he'd have been fine.

He will not accept his banning.

kingfc22 · 03-09-2015, 06:18 PM

Sounds like Gore to Philly may be off.

Lathum · 03-09-2015, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

Sounds like Gore to Philly may be off.

I heard they inked Toby Gerhart instead.

Vince, Pt. II · 03-09-2015, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

If Harbaugh was still the Head Coach, these things would concern me if I was a fan. But, I think Harbaugh could compete while there was turnover on the roster. But I have little faith in the coaching staff Baalke has assembled. Though they could prove me wrong, I have a feeling everyone from Baalke on down will be looking for work come 2016.

Yup. Like I mentioned a while back in this thread, the front office has done an amazing job bringing this team to respectability, so there has to be some sort of credit they've built up with the fan base. I just can't see this panning out in any way, shape or form though. The talent level on the field is going to decrease in a huge way, and you're losing one of the most talented coaches you've ever had.

stevew · 03-09-2015, 07:20 PM

I'd like the Niners coach more if his name was Tom Tomsula.

ColtCrazy · 03-09-2015, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I heard they inked Toby Gerhart instead.

I'm sure Touchdown Tommy Vardell is on the call back list too.

Thomkal · 03-09-2015, 07:36 PM

First glimpse at who my beloved Cards might be signing tomorrow:

Cardinals Re-Sign Alameda Ta'amu

Pretty funny if they get a 49'er after Dockett left us for them.

RedKingGold · 03-09-2015, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

And this was before Willis and Justin Smith may be retiring. Holy crap.

Annnnnnd, Bruce Miller arrested for alleged spousal abuse.

Just, gah.

stevew · 03-09-2015, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

First glimpse at who my beloved Cards might be signing tomorrow:

Cardinals Re-Sign Alameda Ta'amu

Pretty funny if they get a 49'er after Dockett left us for them.

I'm sure you can find some ex-Steelers out there.

Thomkal · 03-09-2015, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

I'm sure you can find some ex-Steelers out there.

No doubt, have to keep up the "pittsburgh west" title of course.

BishopMVP · 03-09-2015, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jeff061

Surprised they brought McCourty back, as long as it doesn't negatively impact the pursuit for Revis I'm all for it.

I actually believe them when they say they treat McCourty and Revis's negotiations separately, but I worry about it impacting potential extensions for Hightower/Collins/Jones down the line.

I understand why the Pats have their strategy of not really discussing any numbers until the last minute, but I think it backfired here and they were caught a little off guard by how much other teams were offering DB's. If you're willing to go that high for McCourty's yearly salary, why not just franchise McCourty and work out an extension with Gostkowski? The difference between the kicker franchise tag and a top of the market extension is much smaller than the same thing at safety, and there's a much lower chance Gostkowski suffers a serious injury than McCourty.

molson · 03-09-2015, 09:23 PM

McCourty cap numbers seem reasonable:

2015: $6M
2016: $8M ($12M dead)
2017: $10M ($9M dead)
2018: $11M ($6M dead)
2019: $12.5M ($3M dead)

With a $15 million bonus, so only $6 million in dead money when/if they cut him in 2018.

BishopMVP · 03-10-2015, 01:12 AM

Psyched to see Julius Thomas to Jacksonville. The blocking concerns are valid, and he may be injury-prone, but the guy was a matchup nightmare. We'll see who Denver brings in to replace him, because for all the talk about Manning's arm strength it sure seemed like his biggest problem at times was Jacob Tamme dropping wheel routes or failing to create separation, just like Brady's stats fall off and his arm looks weaker when Gronk is out.

Lathum · 03-10-2015, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Psyched to see Julius Thomas to Jacksonville. The blocking concerns are valid, and he may be injury-prone, but the guy was a matchup nightmare. We'll see who Denver brings in to replace him, because for all the talk about Manning's arm strength it sure seemed like his biggest problem at times was Jacob Tamme dropping wheel routes or failing to create separation, just like Brady's stats fall off and his arm looks weaker when Gronk is out.

He'll fade away in Jacksonville. He is a product of playing with Manning and a talented cast around him.

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03-09-2015, 11:01 AM	#903
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Patrick Willis. No doubt Hall of Famer, right?

03-09-2015, 11:43 AM	#907
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Willis was also a 5x 1st team All Pro. I'm not sure how that compares to others but it sounds pretty impressive on its own merit.

03-09-2015, 01:26 PM	#914
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	To be fair I think JT was a creation of a great QB.

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cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	NFL warns all 32 teams about contract leaks - ESPN __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

03-09-2015, 02:03 PM	#920
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	Well, they did get rid of 3 black players. What are the odds of an NFL team doing that over the course of an off-season? 100%?

03-09-2015, 02:06 PM	#921
Grover Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Lisboa, ME	Smith and Bayless are abortions of sports telecasters. They should both be taken out to a nice pasture full of wheat, with the sun shining high in a beautiful blue sky and shot. __________________ Come On You Irons! West Ham United \| Philadelphia Flyers \| Cincinnati Bengals \| Kansas City Royals FOFC Greatest Band Draft Runner Up FOFC Movie Remake Draft Winner FOFC Movie Comedy Draft Winner

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Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Alex Okafor of Arizona Cardinals arrested for evading arrest - ESPN

03-09-2015, 03:28 PM	#927
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Houston released Andre Johnson __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

03-09-2015, 03:32 PM	#929
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Revis has his option declined

03-09-2015, 03:33 PM	#930
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	I really, really wish Chip Kelly would hold a press conference and go after SAS. It's the only way he'd ever actually have to account for the bullshit he spews. Otherwise this story is gone by Wednesday.

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stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I'd like the Niners coach more if his name was Tom Tomsula.

03-09-2015, 07:36 PM	#943
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	First glimpse at who my beloved Cards might be signing tomorrow: Cardinals Re-Sign Alameda Ta'amu Pretty funny if they get a 49'er after Dockett left us for them.

03-09-2015, 09:23 PM	#948
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	McCourty cap numbers seem reasonable: 2015: $6M 2016: $8M ($12M dead) 2017: $10M ($9M dead) 2018: $11M ($6M dead) 2019: $12.5M ($3M dead) With a $15 million bonus, so only $6 million in dead money when/if they cut him in 2018.

03-10-2015, 01:12 AM	#949
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	Psyched to see Julius Thomas to Jacksonville. The blocking concerns are valid, and he may be injury-prone, but the guy was a matchup nightmare. We'll see who Denver brings in to replace him, because for all the talk about Manning's arm strength it sure seemed like his biggest problem at times was Jacob Tamme dropping wheel routes or failing to create separation, just like Brady's stats fall off and his arm looks weaker when Gronk is out.

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