Mass Shooting at Theater In Denver Area (Dark Knight) - Page 2

Shkspr · 07-20-2012, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

In the wods of Chris Rock

What happened to just crazy?

24 hour news channels.

I believe in just crazy, but by the end of the day we're going to discover dude played MW3 on his XBox, and that shit'll be on like Donkey Kong. Because of course everybody with MW3 is a killer.

bronconick · 07-20-2012, 08:35 AM

I think "black" refers to the fact that they were dead in this situation.

Ksyrup · 07-20-2012, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Where's that quote from? Also, one of the victims was a pretty redheaded girl (the aspiring sportswriter referenced earlier).

From the link DC posted. Looked like a real-time timeline of things as they happened. But hopefully this part of it, anyway, turns out not to be true (or at least, any implications of it being racially motivated).

Lathum · 07-20-2012, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

1:42: "All ten people in the theater are black." Fatalities.

Yikes, I hope this doesn't turn into a racial thing. I don't know if that's a function of where the theater was/who frequents it, or the reason he chose the theater or victims.

I did hear a witness interview where the guy talked about how he thought the theater was unsafe and didn't like going there. But he didn't explain why.

I'm far from a crime scene investigator, but I imagine it would be impossible to target people of a certain color in that chaos.

Ksyrup · 07-20-2012, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by bronconick

I think "black" refers to the fact that they were dead in this situation.

Ah, that makes sense. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Have to add one to the list:

Canadian = black
Black = dead

Young Drachma · 07-20-2012, 08:44 AM

Aurora is nearly half minorities (14% black, 28% hispanic) but the borders of these places are so blurred that the reality is, Aurora is not exactly considered amongst the more sterling of the outskirt cities that make up the Denver Metro area. Sooo...if you were hunting for minorities, it's amongst the places you'd go to do it and have more success than other parts of the area (and in contrast to say, a part of the city where you'd likely encounter people fighting back.)

That said, this theatre is off of I-225 so it'll attract folks from all over that part of Denver.

Hard to say whether he went to this theatre because he thought it was an easier target to pull off what he did (possibly) or if it was some kind of premeditated vendetta to target particular kinds of people. Because it seems more likely that it was just lax security or the fact that they'd specifically scoped this place out that might have induced its selection over something more sinister like specifically targeting as many of a particular group as he could get.

Though as it's been mentioned, one of the people killed was an aspiring (White female) sports journalist who'd recently moved to Denver (read about it on Twitter and that's the twitter feed I was mentioned earlier about someone killed) and people like Scott Van Pelt replied to the dude who initially mentioned her and posted her Twitter handle for everyone.

I guess we'll find out.

NorvTurnerOverdrive · 07-20-2012, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jeff061

Good to know we all have something ficitonal to blame.

my point. you missed it.

batshit crazy is rarely a motivation.

BYU 14 · 07-20-2012, 08:54 AM

This is just horrible news to wake up to. What the hell gets into peoples heads that make them snap and do shit like this.

M GO BLUE!!! · 07-20-2012, 09:00 AM

WHAT THE FUCK

SportsDino · 07-20-2012, 09:10 AM

Horrible. This man needs to die by slow torture.

Kodos · 07-20-2012, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SportsDino

Horrible. This man needs to die by slow torture.

This.

panerd · 07-20-2012, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Shooter identified as James Holmes, 24 years old, white male, pretty clean criminal record thus far, no connections to terrorism reported as of yet.

Imagine if it were an Islamic terrorist. American's would probably avoid movies for the next 3 months, we would bomb 2-3 countries, the TSA would have posts at every movie theatre and shopping mall, every future movie would start with a 10 minute TSA/Homeland Security video.

White guy? Ah, just America what can you do?

Not saying either extreme is really the appropriate response but like many have said already in this thread the dude was crazy and you just hope most people don't aspire to kill a bunch of innocent people and basically end their lives as well. Not really any way to stop it though but I fear a copycat or two and hope the media doesn't encourage more.

BYU 14 · 07-20-2012, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by panerd

but I fear a copycat or two and hope the media doesn't encourage more.

This, as well as the fact the he will be scrutinized, analyzed and any findings will get sensationalized to the point that once again, the victims take a back seat.

Kodos · 07-20-2012, 09:59 AM

Well, limiting civilian's abilities to get automatic (semi-automatic?) weapons, bullet-proof armor, and tear gas would be a step in the right direction. The body count would likely be much lower if he hadn't had access to that stuff.

Lathum · 07-20-2012, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

Well, limiting civilian's abilities to get automatic (semi-automatic?) weapons, bullet-proof armor, and tear gas would be a step in the right direction. The body count would likely be much lower if he hadn't had access to that stuff.

BUT THAT'S HIS RIGHT!!!

(sarcasm)

stevew · 07-20-2012, 10:07 AM

I'm always amazed at the relatively few number of casualties. Id suspect the over/under to be 50 if presented the scenerio in a vacuum.

panerd · 07-20-2012, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

Well, limiting civilian's abilities to get automatic (semi-automatic?) weapons, bullet-proof armor, and tear gas would be a step in the right direction. The body count would likely be much lower if he hadn't had access to that stuff.

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Crazy happens even with gun control. Don't really have a horse in this argument as I see valid points on both sides but again this is a crazy person and the knee jerk is always more security, more gun control, less video games. Like BYU said how about less Monday morning quarterbacking, less sensationalizing the killer, and more focus on the victims and god forbid move on to another story tomorrow to discourage other crazies from getting their chance to die in a blaze of "glory".

Kodos · 07-20-2012, 10:10 AM

All I'm saying is, he walks in with a handgun, then there would likely be far fewer casualties.

Noop · 07-20-2012, 10:16 AM

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

I am not gun nut or card carrying member of the NRA, but I am against anyone trying to infringe on my right to carry a firearm.

Julio Riddols · 07-20-2012, 10:16 AM

They should always refer to the killers in these situations as "some nameless idiot".

Kodos · 07-20-2012, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Noop

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

I am not gun nut or card carrying member of the NRA, but I am against anyone trying to infringe on my right to carry a firearm.

I'm sure that was intended to cover tear gas and semiautomatic weapons.

Galaril · 07-20-2012, 10:20 AM

Completely stunned. I am shocked at how many people are affected in some way by this. It seems here everyone knew someone who knew someone who was there.

Ben E Lou · 07-20-2012, 10:20 AM

I'm impressed that y'all managed to wait five hours before you started trying to use this tragedy to further your own political agendas.

Keep it up, and there will be suspensions. Many of you people just plain disgust me.

Noop · 07-20-2012, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

I'm sure that was intended to cover tear gas and semiautomatic weapons.

Do you know why we have the right to bear arms? If not, I suggest you do a little research into why we have that right because the Bill of Rights is important and it becomes invaluable when you know the reason why we have them.

DanGarion · 07-20-2012, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

He could have come in unequipped, went out the exit door, had the door oh so slightly ajar, got his stuff, and come back in.

Hey someone finally used logic to figure it out!

MrBug708 · 07-20-2012, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by panerd

Imagine if it were an Islamic terrorist. American's would probably avoid movies for the next 3 months, we would bomb 2-3 countries, the TSA would have posts at every movie theatre and shopping mall, every future movie would start with a 10 minute TSA/Homeland Security video.

White guy? Ah, just America what can you do?

Not saying either extreme is really the appropriate response but like many have said already in this thread the dude was crazy and you just hope most people don't aspire to kill a bunch of innocent people and basically end their lives as well. Not really any way to stop it though but I fear a copycat or two and hope the media doesn't encourage more.

Hey, you got to work in religion and politics. Good for you!

NorvTurnerOverdrive · 07-20-2012, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion

Hey someone finally used logic to figure it out!

except that opening the emergency exit door sets off the alarm

Edward64 · 07-20-2012, 10:35 AM

I think Ben gave fair warning.

DanGarion · 07-20-2012, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BYU 14

This, as well as the fact the he will be scrutinized, analyzed and any findings will get sensationalized to the point that once again, the victims take a back seat.

If only the general public would not watch this type of shit and feed into it.

Ben E Lou · 07-20-2012, 10:37 AM

Last chance...enough...at least wait until the 3-month-old baby stops bleeding.

DanGarion · 07-20-2012, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

I'm impressed that y'all managed to wait five hours before you started trying to use this tragedy to further your own political agendas.

Keep it up, and there will be suspensions. Many of you people just plain disgust me.

Did I already miss something?!?!?

DanGarion · 07-20-2012, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by NorvTurnerOverdrive

except that opening the emergency exit door sets off the alarm

The exit door does not typically set off an alarm at the theaters I go to...

Noop · 07-20-2012, 10:42 AM

Suspensions for expressing an opinion? Cmon Ben you're better then that. You can state your displeasure, and people would understand.

bronconick · 07-20-2012, 10:43 AM

Eh, it's fair that we wait until some politician starts making hay about it at least. We really don't want to be even more eager then those tools.

Logan · 07-20-2012, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

I'm impressed that y'all managed to wait five hours before you started trying to use this tragedy to further your own political agendas.

Keep it up, and there will be suspensions. Many of you people just plain disgust me.

What in god's name were you expecting? I think people are showing some pretty civil behavior.

Unless you deleted posts, your response (last line especially) is way over the top.

Ben E Lou · 07-20-2012, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Noop

Suspensions for expressing an opinion? Cmon Ben you're better then that. You can state your displeasure, and people would understand.

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Originally Posted by Logan

What in god's name were you expecting? I think people are showing some pretty civil behavior.

Unless you deleted posts, your response (last line especially) is way over the top.

Wrong, X2.

NorvTurnerOverdrive · 07-20-2012, 10:49 AM

says he was a former med student.

and it says the alarms came on after he began shooting so you may be right dan

MrBug708 · 07-20-2012, 10:51 AM

I would imagine smoke bombs would set off the fire alarm, no?

Matthean · 07-20-2012, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by NorvTurnerOverdrive

except that opening the emergency exit door sets off the alarm

I wonder if in the chaos something got missed. Movie goers have been quoted as saying they thought it was part of the movie. A dude busting through an emergency exit door setting off alarms wouldn't be something I would relate to a movie.

Chief Rum · 07-20-2012, 10:55 AM

I hope there were deleted posts to warrant the warnings. I have seen nothing but civil discussion of an issue that directly relates to this event.

Do I think it's appropriate to get into the ole gun debate right away in a thread of this nature? No, not really.

Would I move to stop others from having that discussion if they so choose? Heck no.

spleen1015 · 07-20-2012, 10:56 AM

Ben, I think this tragedy has some how hit you hard and you're making mod decisions based on emotions more than logic. Box me if you like, but I think you should maybe step away from the board instead of boxing people like you are.

Ben E Lou · 07-20-2012, 10:57 AM

There are conflicting witness reports. I've seen one interview where two guys definitively said that one teargas canister came from the back of the theater, and the shooter threw one. Another witness has said Person A opened the door, then Person B (the shooter) came in. The investigators herded all the non-injured witnesses to a high school to interview them. I'm sure they'll get it sorted out eventually.

NorvTurnerOverdrive · 07-20-2012, 10:59 AM

my bad then. when i was a kid my buddies and i tried the, 'one guy buys ticket then opens the emergency exit and lets everyone else in' move except and it set off an ear piercing alarm. i just assumed it was standard.

Young Drachma · 07-20-2012, 11:01 AM

Let's keep this thread about the tragedy, the news about it and so forth folks. Keep your feelings to PMs or go dredge up an old "I hate BEL/SkyDick" thread if you need to.

This isn't the place. This isn't the time.

MrBug708 · 07-20-2012, 11:01 AM

The emergency exit at my theatre is the standard, you can go out, you can't go back in

Morgado · 07-20-2012, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

Ben, I think this tragedy has some how hit you hard and you're making mod decisions based on emotions more than logic. Box me if you like, but I think you should maybe step away from the board instead of boxing people like you are.

Actually, we're chatting with Ben in real time right now, and he's pretty un-emotional about this. Offering quite good analytical views on several aspects of the news, I might add.

Ben E Lou · 07-20-2012, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by NorvTurnerOverdrive

my bad then. when i was a kid my buddies and i tried the, 'one guy buys ticket then opens the emergency exit and lets everyone else in' move except and it set off an ear piercing alarm. i just assumed it was standard.

Oh...no idea if it actually would work in that particular theater. I'm just saying that there seem to be so many conflicting reports that it's impossible for us to know the truth on that point yet.

DanGarion · 07-20-2012, 11:01 AM

In a dark room things can seem to come from many different directions. Most likely he was in the theater, went to the exit door and propped it open with something. Threw on his gear reentered the room tossed the tear gas to create panic and started shooting in said panic.

Subby · 07-20-2012, 11:04 AM

Who the F is Morgado?

spleen1015 · 07-20-2012, 11:05 AM

I couldn't imagine being in that theater and there be guns blazing on screen and someone walks in guns blazing in real life. Absolutely terrifying.

07-20-2012, 08:44 AM	#56
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Aurora is nearly half minorities (14% black, 28% hispanic) but the borders of these places are so blurred that the reality is, Aurora is not exactly considered amongst the more sterling of the outskirt cities that make up the Denver Metro area. Sooo...if you were hunting for minorities, it's amongst the places you'd go to do it and have more success than other parts of the area (and in contrast to say, a part of the city where you'd likely encounter people fighting back.) That said, this theatre is off of I-225 so it'll attract folks from all over that part of Denver. Hard to say whether he went to this theatre because he thought it was an easier target to pull off what he did (possibly) or if it was some kind of premeditated vendetta to target particular kinds of people. Because it seems more likely that it was just lax security or the fact that they'd specifically scoped this place out that might have induced its selection over something more sinister like specifically targeting as many of a particular group as he could get. Though as it's been mentioned, one of the people killed was an aspiring (White female) sports journalist who'd recently moved to Denver (read about it on Twitter and that's the twitter feed I was mentioned earlier about someone killed) and people like Scott Van Pelt replied to the dude who initially mentioned her and posted her Twitter handle for everyone. I guess we'll find out. Last edited by Young Drachma : 07-20-2012 at 08:47 AM.

07-20-2012, 09:59 AM	#64
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Well, limiting civilian's abilities to get automatic (semi-automatic?) weapons, bullet-proof armor, and tear gas would be a step in the right direction. The body count would likely be much lower if he hadn't had access to that stuff. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties. Last edited by Kodos : 07-20-2012 at 10:00 AM.

07-20-2012, 10:10 AM	#68
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	All I'm saying is, he walks in with a handgun, then there would likely be far fewer casualties. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

07-20-2012, 10:16 AM	#69
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Miami	A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. I am not gun nut or card carrying member of the NRA, but I am against anyone trying to infringe on my right to carry a firearm. __________________ Subby's favorite woman hater.

07-20-2012, 10:16 AM	#70
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	They should always refer to the killers in these situations as "some nameless idiot". __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA

07-20-2012, 08:35 AM	#52
bronconick College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI	I think "black" refers to the fact that they were dead in this situation.

07-20-2012, 08:54 AM	#58
BYU 14 Coordinator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The scorched Desert	This is just horrible news to wake up to. What the hell gets into peoples heads that make them snap and do shit like this.

07-20-2012, 09:00 AM	#59
M GO BLUE!!! Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005	WHAT THE FUCK

07-20-2012, 09:10 AM	#60
SportsDino College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2001	Horrible. This man needs to die by slow torture.

07-20-2012, 10:07 AM	#66
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I'm always amazed at the relatively few number of casualties. Id suspect the over/under to be 50 if presented the scenerio in a vacuum.

07-20-2012, 10:20 AM	#72
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	Completely stunned. I am shocked at how many people are affected in some way by this. It seems here everyone knew someone who knew someone who was there. Last edited by Galaril : 07-20-2012 at 10:21 AM.

07-20-2012, 10:20 AM	#73
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	I'm impressed that y'all managed to wait five hours before you started trying to use this tragedy to further your own political agendas. Keep it up, and there will be suspensions. Many of you people just plain disgust me. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

07-20-2012, 10:35 AM	#78
Edward64 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2005	I think Ben gave fair warning.

07-20-2012, 10:37 AM	#80
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Last chance...enough...at least wait until the 3-month-old baby stops bleeding. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

07-20-2012, 10:42 AM	#83
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Miami	Suspensions for expressing an opinion? Cmon Ben you're better then that. You can state your displeasure, and people would understand. __________________ Subby's favorite woman hater.

07-20-2012, 10:43 AM	#84
bronconick College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI	Eh, it's fair that we wait until some politician starts making hay about it at least. We really don't want to be even more eager then those tools.

07-20-2012, 10:49 AM	#87
NorvTurnerOverdrive College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2008	says he was a former med student. and it says the alarms came on after he began shooting so you may be right dan

07-20-2012, 10:51 AM	#88
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I would imagine smoke bombs would set off the fire alarm, no?

07-20-2012, 10:55 AM	#90
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	I hope there were deleted posts to warrant the warnings. I have seen nothing but civil discussion of an issue that directly relates to this event. Do I think it's appropriate to get into the ole gun debate right away in a thread of this nature? No, not really. Would I move to stop others from having that discussion if they so choose? Heck no. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

07-20-2012, 10:56 AM	#91
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	Ben, I think this tragedy has some how hit you hard and you're making mod decisions based on emotions more than logic. Box me if you like, but I think you should maybe step away from the board instead of boxing people like you are. __________________ Why choose failure when success is an option?

07-20-2012, 10:57 AM	#92
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	There are conflicting witness reports. I've seen one interview where two guys definitively said that one teargas canister came from the back of the theater, and the shooter threw one. Another witness has said Person A opened the door, then Person B (the shooter) came in. The investigators herded all the non-injured witnesses to a high school to interview them. I'm sure they'll get it sorted out eventually. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

07-20-2012, 10:59 AM	#93
NorvTurnerOverdrive College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2008	my bad then. when i was a kid my buddies and i tried the, 'one guy buys ticket then opens the emergency exit and lets everyone else in' move except and it set off an ear piercing alarm. i just assumed it was standard.

07-20-2012, 11:01 AM	#94
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Let's keep this thread about the tragedy, the news about it and so forth folks. Keep your feelings to PMs or go dredge up an old "I hate BEL/SkyDick" thread if you need to. This isn't the place. This isn't the time.

07-20-2012, 11:01 AM	#98
DanGarion Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Great Northwest	In a dark room things can seem to come from many different directions. Most likely he was in the theater, went to the exit door and propped it open with something. Threw on his gear reentered the room tossed the tear gas to create panic and started shooting in said panic. __________________ Los Angeles Dodgers Check out the FOFC Groups on Facebook! and Reddit! DON'T REPORT ME BRO!

07-20-2012, 11:04 AM	#99
Subby lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: sans pants	Who the F is Morgado? __________________ Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com

07-20-2012, 11:05 AM	#100
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	I couldn't imagine being in that theater and there be guns blazing on screen and someone walks in guns blazing in real life. Absolutely terrifying. __________________ Why choose failure when success is an option?

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