WW LXXXVII Terror at the University :Game over, Wolves win!

[RPI-Fan]

I'm a student! For now just voting some someone who hasn't checked in yet, subject to change, etc.

VOTE GRAMMATICUS

[Barkeep49]

I think 3 wolves is definitely possible. I think 2 wolves works for an 11 player game. I think with 4 more players you need a 3rd wolf.

[jeff061]

Additional student reporting in!

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I am a student.

It is my guess I am not an overly bright one, because I am confused by the deadlines.

I see 7 p.m. EST references, but the title says 10 p.m. Lathum has hinted that tomorrow's deadline is different than normal, so I believe he intends to have a 7 p.m. EST deadline tomorrow (4 p.m. his and my time), while returning to a later deadline time for other nights.

So on that assumption, I will not return before the deadline is processed tomorrow night (although I will normally be able to do so in the future). So I have to put in a vote now.

VOTE DANNY

Why? I don't have a reason, of course. I don't want to vote for some of the long time guys who are back from long breaks, and I have voted too much for most everyone else recently. It's Day One, people! Blah...

As usual, any reason to construe this as actual evidence I have even the tiniest hint that Danny is a wolf and thus he is deserving of a pile on will earn the person giving that reason my vote for tomorrow.

I reading it as being a 10pm eastern deadline today and then 7pm eastern going forward.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Danny

So, with 15 players, there would likely be two regular wolves, the brutal and the janitor?

Sounds like the right ratio to me.

[hoopsguy]

Early vote count:
Danny - CR (46)
Jackal - BK (49)
Gram - RPI (51)

[Hannibal Lecter]

Sounds reasonable, now hopefully Lathum wakes up and clarify the deadline issue!

[hoopsguy]

The deadline does not matter to me for today, as I'm going to be heading out fairly early to meet "classmates' to watch the BCS championship game. So I'll likely be posting a mid-afternoon vote.

[jeheinz72]

Checking in, student here. No inkling of who or when I'll vote. Sometime today, that's about all I know!

[jeheinz72]

RPIFan - Those dishes aren't going to do themselves ya know.

[Telle]

Student checking in.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Hannibal Lecter

NICE! I get to room with telle.... Ill do the cooking

Im a student too!

Is this a swipe at my cooking abilities?? Well I may not be the best cook, but I'll have you know I'm a damn good baker. So be prepared to get nice and fat on cookies, cakes, and pies

[Hannibal Lecter]

Originally Posted by Telle

Student checking in.

sup roomie!

[Hannibal Lecter]

Originally Posted by Telle

Is this a swipe at my cooking abilities?? Well I may not be the best cook, but I'll have you know I'm a damn good baker. So be prepared to get nice and fat on cookies, cakes, and pies

I like minceMEAT pie....

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Telle

Is this a swipe at my cooking abilities?? Well I may not be the best cook, but I'll have you know I'm a damn good baker. So be prepared to get nice and fat on cookies, cakes, and pies

Looking to fatten him up before your meal, wolfie?

[hoopsguy]

Is it worth having a discussion here about the wolf kill options? I do not necessarily want to "coach" them but the discussion might prove beneficial to the roled student.

I think Lathum has put together a pretty interesting rule twist with this game and would kind of like to discuss some of my thoughts on it, but I'll go along with the majority if people would rather sit back and see what happens initially.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Is it worth having a discussion here about the wolf kill options? I do not necessarily want to "coach" them but the discussion might prove beneficial to the roled student.

I think Lathum has put together a pretty interesting rule twist with this game and would kind of like to discuss some of my thoughts on it, but I'll go along with the majority if people would rather sit back and see what happens initially.

One thing is I think we'll have to be careful about is the tendency to assume that if someone is killed that their roommate likely did it.. it might be a bit of a gut reaction. The wolves might bank on this and avoid roommate kills for awhile in order to spread around suspicion.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Is it worth having a discussion here about the wolf kill options? I do not necessarily want to "coach" them but the discussion might prove beneficial to the roled student.

I think Lathum has put together a pretty interesting rule twist with this game and would kind of like to discuss some of my thoughts on it, but I'll go along with the majority if people would rather sit back and see what happens initially.

I'm up for having that discussion. I don't know if it would help out the wolves at all, but any discussion is good for us.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

I'm up for having that discussion. I don't know if it would help out the wolves at all, but any discussion is good for us.

Pretty much my thoughts.

Oh, and I do not think you need to worry about any "ant issues" with me. Although that tower things sounds kinda cool ...

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by Telle

One thing is I think we'll have to be careful about is the tendency to assume that if someone is killed that their roommate likely did it.. it might be a bit of a gut reaction. The wolves might bank on this and avoid roommate kills for awhile in order to spread around suspicion.

I think it's perfectly fine to throw someone into the possible wolf column if their roommate turns up dead, because what are the chances that there is more than one wolf in a room? I'm not for automatically lynching that person, but I'll definitely not want to chill with them alone after dark. Unless, of course, it's a hot coed.

[Danny]

I'm always ok with interesting discussion, more information usually helps the village more than the wolves.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

I think it's perfectly fine to throw someone into the possible wolf column if their roommate turns up dead, because what are the chances that there is more than one wolf in a room? I'm not for automatically lynching that person, but I'll definitely not want to chill with them alone after dark. Unless, of course, it's a hot coed.

I think it's fine to put them in the "someone to think about" category.. but I'd be careful about having sudden pile-ons on roommates. I think that works to the wolves' favor.

[hoopsguy]

Well, here is why I think that the roommates will be relatively safe, at least with the seer around:

1.) Seer is likely to scan their roommate(s) initially to see if they are worth talking to via PMs
2.) Seers next target is likely to be the surviving roommate from N1 kill
3.) Repeat step #2 for each day

So I think the top wolf priority will be getting the seer (duh - this is WW, right?) because until they do they will be figuratively walking on eggshells with their kills. If the seer lives too many days they kind of box themselves in a corner because they will inadvertantly create a circle-of-trust (surviving roommates) while exposing themselves to higher risk with the bodyguard block if he is still alive.

Anyway, I think the wolves most likely avoid their roommates early on, foregoing the "sure thing" to avoid the likelihood of being scanned the following day.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by Hannibal Lecter

NICE! I get to room with telle.... Ill do the cooking

I can't believe this prestigious university admitted someone with such, um, questionable tastes.

VOTE HANNIBAL LECTER

It's nothing personal, Hannibal. Well, except it is. I have this thing against fava beans.

[Hannibal Lecter]

Hoops, that makes sense....

[EagleFan]

My initial plan was to vote for who-ever had the last post when I got in the thread. That was Telle but is now hoops as I enter the thread. Reading through the votes has caused me to change my mind as someone is already going after my roommate. I don't know if my roommate is good or bad yet but I at least want to be able to PM someone for a couple days anyway so in defense of my roommate.

vote CR

Vote may change but since it's day one it probably won't (unless a wolf wants to out himself).

[Danny]

Hey Roomie, how does pizza sound tonight for the big game?

[EagleFan]

Pizza and beer sounds great (and a couple cheerleaders?).

Going to be offline for a while, work calls. Will check back once in a while when I can find the time.

[jeheinz72]

Vote EagleFan

That seems like a pretty selfish and conjured up reason to vote EF. Understandable since it's Day One and all, but I didn't like how that read whatsoever.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Well, here is why I think that the roommates will be relatively safe, at least with the seer around:

1.) Seer is likely to scan their roommate(s) initially to see if they are worth talking to via PMs
2.) Seers next target is likely to be the surviving roommate from N1 kill
3.) Repeat step #2 for each day

So I think the top wolf priority will be getting the seer (duh - this is WW, right?) because until they do they will be figuratively walking on eggshells with their kills. If the seer lives too many days they kind of box themselves in a corner because they will inadvertantly create a circle-of-trust (surviving roommates) while exposing themselves to higher risk with the bodyguard block if he is still alive.

Anyway, I think the wolves most likely avoid their roommates early on, foregoing the "sure thing" to avoid the likelihood of being scanned the following day.

I'm not sure we'll be able to assume the seer has scanned surviving roommates. Might be the smart thing, but if people get a gut feeling for someone that might take precedence over scanning the surviving roomate.

[hoopsguy]

40% of votes in:

Danny - CR (46)
Jackal - BK (49)
Gram - RPI (51)
Hannibal - Jonathan (74)
CR - Eagle (76)
Eagle - Heinz (79)

[Telle]

Vote count as of post #79:

Danny - 1 - Cheif Rum (46)
The Jackel - 1 - Barkeep (49)
Grammaticus - 1 - RPI-Fan (51)
Hannibal - 1 - Jonathan Ezarik (74)
Chief Rum - 1 - EagleFan (76)
EagleFan - 1 - jeheinz (79)

[Danny]

So far 5 votes for 5 different people. We'll need to consolidate that as it's too spread out to tell us much later in the game and gives the wolves even more of an advantage in the day 1 lynch.

[jeheinz72]

I think if I were the Seer, I'd follow a plan relatively similar to what hoops laid out.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Danny

I'm not sure we'll be able to assume the seer has scanned surviving roommates. Might be the smart thing, but if people get a gut feeling for someone that might take precedence over scanning the surviving roomate.

Nope, I do not think that the students can 100% assume that at all. But I think the wolves have to be concerned about drawing attention. Even moreso now that it has been posted as a thought process in the thread.

[Abe Sargent]

Lo all. I actually agree with jeheinz that EF's logic was out there, but I don't want to be the first person to cast a second vote on anyone on Day One. Yuck - attention.

Ah screw it. I got nothing else. I agree.

Vote EagleFan

[Danny]

Missed one, 6 for 6, I would look at people who casted votes 3-6 as possible wolves.

[Telle]

Everyone has now checked in.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Lo all. I actually agree with jeheinz that EF's logic was out there, but I don't want to be the first person to cast a second vote on anyone on Day One. Yuck - attention.

Ah screw it. I got nothing else. I agree.

Vote EagleFan

See, I actually thought that EagleFan didn't have a bad idea. And it's as good as anything for a Day 1 vote.

[Danny]

I have no idea if EF is a wolf, but to me his vote was in the spirit of fun and role play, no different than some of the other votes. I don't like the fact that it spread out the vote more, but jumping on his vote and spreading it out even more is at least equally suspicious.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Telle

See, I actually thought that EagleFan didn't have a bad idea. And it's as good as anything for a Day 1 vote.

I do not think that it is a bad idea, but it is kind of a selfish idea insofar as if we all apply the same logic then the vote is a real mess. We end up with a very spread vote, a near-tie, and no meaningful way to track the vote on later days. So I would hope that this idea does not catch on today.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Vote EagleFan

That seems like a pretty selfish and conjured up reason to vote EF. Understandable since it's Day One and all, but I didn't like how that read whatsoever.

Would you rather I random dot com it? It's day one, I need something to use to determine the vote so that makes as much sense as any.

Interesting, last game you tried using twisted logic to get the vote going towards me and I remember how that one ended.

[Lathum]

Sorry about thew deadline confusion, I was thinking in west coast time for whatever reason.

The deadline is still 7:00 PM EST

[Hannibal Lecter]

Originally Posted by Telle

See, I actually thought that EagleFan didn't have a bad idea. And it's as good as anything for a Day 1 vote.

i actually thought the same thing... but eh!

[Hannibal Lecter]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Sorry about thew deadline confusion, I was thinking in west coast time for whatever reason.

The deadline is still 7:00 PM EST

thasnk!

[Hannibal Lecter]

Random.org says

vote-RPI Fan

[Telle]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I do not think that it is a bad idea, but it is kind of a selfish idea insofar as if we all apply the same logic then the vote is a real mess. We end up with a very spread vote, a near-tie, and no meaningful way to track the vote on later days. So I would hope that this idea does not catch on today.

Well the vote is already pretty spread out.. six votees with only one having more than one vote. Hopefully we'll start consolidating soon.

[Hannibal Lecter]

oh yeah, we dont need new cadidites....
unvote rpi
vote grammaticus

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Hannibal Lecter

Random.org says

vote-RPI Fan

Really, let's not spread this out even more

[Hannibal Lecter]

Originally Posted by Danny

Really, let's not spread this out even more