Werewolf LXXXII - Cops and Robbers (Day 3 Deadline 4 PM EST Thursday)

[path12]

Checking in, but not around much until later.

[EagleFan]

Checking in. Tied up in meetings all afternoon so I will check back this evening.

[Narcizo]

I'm here but Mrs Nark is about to commandeer the computer so I won't be able to say much until tomorrow.

Wondering if we should concentrate our early efforts on protecting ourselves or on protecting the loot. Obviously lives > money (well, depending on what sort of bank it is) but my impression was that protecting yourself didn't alter the odds that greatly. Maybe that's worth discussing (obviously no-one shoudl actually say what they are going to do). Also Jackal says that he's played a version of this game before, maybe he coud say how that played out.

There. Discuss! Just in case you guys don't want to be posting "awfully quiet" posts throughout the day.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

I'm here but Mrs Nark is about to commandeer the computer so I won't be able to say much until tomorrow.

Wondering if we should concentrate our early efforts on protecting ourselves or on protecting the loot. Obviously lives > money (well, depending on what sort of bank it is) but my impression was that protecting yourself didn't alter the odds that greatly. Maybe that's worth discussing (obviously no-one shoudl actually say what they are going to do). Also Jackal says that he's played a version of this game before, maybe he coud say how that played out.

There. Discuss! Just in case you guys don't want to be posting "awfully quiet" posts throughout the day.

All of the win conditions center around lives.. For the bad guys it is getting to a 1:1 ratio, for good guys it is eliminating all of the bad guys. The cash only matters when trying to go for a bigger type of victory. The bad guy roles have the option to guard their stash, which means the is obviously a way for us to get cash back during the game if we choose wheras we can't get lives back during the game.

So it seems pretty obvious which should be more of a priority for both us and them in our general scheme of thinking.

[claphamsa]

Narc,
I played in that game too... It was the most one sided whooping ever in the history of WW. Dont remember what happend. but we didnt learn anything

[RendeR]

Checking in. Joe customer. more later.

[PurdueBrad]

Checking in now, more active once I get home.

[Lathum]

checking in.'

I knew I should have gone with direct deposit

[saldana]

checking in, still at work, be on later tonight.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

Narc,
I played in that game too... It was the most one sided whooping ever in the history of WW. Dont remember what happend. but we didnt learn anything

Wow, more of a whooping than Cronin's "draft" game?

[claphamsa]

yeah, I wanna say the seer got lynched day one..... (not as sofisticated of a group there.)

[Barkeep49]

Checking in. So there's the classic, minor/major victory argument going on huh? I'm a fan of shooting for the major victory, but Alan, in terms of the revocable nature of resources (lives v money) has a good point. But some balance is needed. I think I'll be more of a money guarder, but would say that guarding oneself should be the predominant action.

[jeheinz72]

FYI, I'm gone for the day, returning at 9 AM EST tomorrow. Any questions posted/PM'd will be answered then.

[RendeR]

So who do we lynch day 1 this time? and don;t say "RENDER" damnit

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by RendeR

So who do we lynch day 1 this time? and don;t say "RENDER" damnit

RENDER damnit

[st.cronin]

VOTE RENDER

[PurdueBrad]

Ha, bad turn of events if your name is RendeR!

[The Jackal]

awesome cronin, awesome

[The Jackal]

PB, don't steal my thunder

[The Jackal]

[st.cronin]

Customer here: I will protect myself every night.

[The Jackal]

I'm going to tend towards protecting myself but I'll be guarding the money on some nights.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Also Jackal says that he's played a version of this game before, maybe he coud say how that played out.

To be honest I don't even remember - part of that could be the delicious margaritas (they're really good clap), but I'd say our primary goal should be eliminating wolves over protecting the money, so people should tend towards protecting themselves.

The thing is, there are a lot of people, so we're gonna have wildcards that throw the wolves curveballs either way - the impetus is on them to decide how forceful they want to be. And it's up to us to try and nail them as quick as possible with lynches.

[The Jackal]

And we clearly have little to go on day 1, so here's a cheers to lady luck.

[EagleFan]

vote PurdueBrad

We needed another name in the mix.

[The Jackal]

What I meant by wildcards in the post above is players that say one thing and do the other, or don't suggest their actions at all - it's what makes the wolves jobs hard in this game and that's good for us. When the player list gets smaller and the COT gets bigger that's when you start coordinating money protection.

[EagleFan]

I haven't played enough with The Jackal to pick up on anything so this is nothing more than a question. Is he usually this talkative?

[The Jackal]

Just trying to help, really. But other people are welcome to answer that question.

[claphamsa]

he can be talkative! but...

vote jackyl!

something is amis in the chainsaw land!

[The Jackal]

predictable

[path12]

I have a question. If I guard myself and am guarded by one of the cops, do I get double protection?

We won't know of course, but it would be great to be guarded while guarding the loot. Or something.....just really looking at the rules for the first time.

[The Jackal]

and actually that completely unreasonable vote is enough to make me change mine

unvote saldana

vote clap

hope you're the machine gun type

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by path12

I have a question. If I guard myself and am guarded by one of the cops, do I get double protection?

We won't know of course, but it would be great to be guarded while guarding the loot. Or something.....just really looking at the rules for the first time.

Seems like one of those things that's hard to plan early on unless the bodyguard role trusts the people that say they are guarding the loot on the first day. Wolves could easily say that, and then theyd be guarding a wolf.

[Lathum]

Vote Render.

he had to know this was coming after duking me 2 games ago.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

and actually that completely unreasonable vote is enough to make me change mine

unvote saldana

vote clap

hope you're the machine gun type

machine gun?

im more of hate huricne type these days!

[illinifan999]

vote st. cronin

that was just a low blow

[PackerFanatic]

VOTE CLAP

Way too many votes out there right now, so I gotta choose someone to jump on. Of course day 1 is a crapshoot, but voting for everyone doesn't tell us anything either

[SnDvls]

customer checking in

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by path12

I have a question. If I guard myself and am guarded by one of the cops, do I get double protection?

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Protect Someone (Cop) - If you do this and that person is attacked, they stand a better chance of surviving (even better than if they just protected themselves, and much better if they do as well). They can still be knocked out for a day or two though.

There you go - they get an added protection bonus.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Alan T

All of the win conditions center around lives.. For the bad guys it is getting to a 1:1 ratio, for good guys it is eliminating all of the bad guys. The cash only matters when trying to go for a bigger type of victory. The bad guy roles have the option to guard their stash, which means the is obviously a way for us to get cash back during the game if we choose wheras we can't get lives back during the game.

I can respect that but you've got to think that there are some people who can be pretty sure that they're not going to be targeted (people who have been drawing heat etc etc). I don't think it's smart to sweepingly say that everyone should try to protect themselves, you need to try and judge how likely you are to be targeted. (tough call I know). Now if that means the wolves start to target those people then that's all good as it means we're forcing the wolfies to attack people despite it not being their best play in a vanilla game. Also it is early in the game we have the most chance of keeping the loot-grabbing to a minimum, as it is an action that is effected by weight of numbers - people are always going to be able to protect themselves equally effectively throughout the game. Raw numbers help when you're protecting the cash. I think the cops, in particular, have an interesting decision to make early on. Do they protect a random person (who could be a wolf) or do they protect the money.

[Narcizo]

5 hour dola!

When's Chief going to play again?

[Barkeep49]

I don't like any of the options right now. I really want to vote, but all choices are expressions of the harshness of D1. Have either Render or clap been killed off recently D1?

[claphamsa]

Its been 2-3 games for me. I cant speak to RendeR

[Narcizo]

Well, to be honest, barkeep, I don't think you have to vote for clap or RendeR just yet. I think creating a 3-way tie on 2 votes is just as valid as pushing for a two horse race at this stage. I'd probably raise an eyebrow at another candidate being introduced without as solid a reason as you can expect on day one but it's still pretty early days in terms of voting.

RendeR - st cronin (66), Lathum (84)
Claphamsa - Jackal (82), Packer (87)
PurdueBrad - EagleFan (75)
Jackal - clap (79)
st cronin - illini (86)

9 people left to vote.

[PurdueBrad]

I have to give the Pre-ACT today so I'm not sure how much access I'll have until after school (although I'm hoping for lots so that I can stay awake).

vote The Jackal although, as usual and out of petty vindictiveness, I was tempted to vote EF! (and to think, I even rooted for your defense against my Steelers this past weekend. I mean, sure, I had the vested interest of having the D on my fantasy team but really, I rooted for them for you...really.)

[claphamsa]

Giving tests is the best. you just sit there and glare.....

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

Giving tests is the best. you just sit there and glare.....

Hehe, yeah, it's not quite so bad but 4 and a half hours of it in an non-air conditioned building is a bit much. So I'm hoping I've got the internet up there otherwise I'll be doing lots of glaring!

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

5 hour dola!

When's Chief going to play again?

Chief needed a WW break, as he's changed up his schedule when he gets home from work now a bit which eats into his WW time.

[Alan T]

Hmm. It is tough to get a read on day 1 votes when they don't seem to have alot of reason behind them. Since PurdueBrad's vote for Jackal ended up speaking more about wanting to vote for someone else than actually doing so, I figured this would be a good place to start.

Vote PurdueBrad

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Hehe, yeah, it's not quite so bad but 4 and a half hours of it in an non-air conditioned building is a bit much. So I'm hoping I've got the internet up there otherwise I'll be doing lots of glaring!

I actually like giving tests the least. it feels like you could be doing something more constructive.