NFL Week 1 Discussion Thread - Revis signs, HBO rejoices

[wade moore]

Chase Daniel...

Brunell is Sanchez's backup now.

[k0ruptr]

Daniel is the back up? Wow, ok we found the biggest drop off. Thats a clear winner.

[Greyroofoo]

Have you SEEN Curtis Painter?

[Passacaglia]

Brunell is on the Jets. Saints signed Patrick Ramsey, I think.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Brunell is on the Jets. Saints signed Patrick Ramsey, I think.

They released Ramsey on cut-down day, it's just Brees and Daniel on the roster now.

[kingfc22]

In other backup QB news...Niners dump Nate Davis in favor of Troy Smith.

[Danny]

That's 3rd stringer news

[Danny]

I'd rank the Drop offs Colts, Saints, Packers and then Patriots.

[GrantDawg]

I don't know how a opening away game versus one of the most storied franchises in the game becomes a "must win," but the Falcons versus the Steelers is right there. Steelers starting a third string qb (but honestly, I'd rather face Leftwich) has turned this game into one Atlanta really needs to pull out to live up to expectations.

Should they? Yes. Will they? I'm not as sure. It won't actually end their season or anything to lose, but the bandwagon will definitely get lighter.

[stevew]

Most recently, whenever the Steelers play the Falcons, bad things happen to the steelers. a 41-38 loss in 2006, a 34-34 tie the game before that. I'm banking on Gonzalez having a big receiving game and the Falcons winning approx 31-14.

Anyways, the funny thing was that I checked, and lifetime the series is steelers 11, falcons 2, tie 1.

[JS19]

What's the purpose of the NFL blackout policy?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by JS19

What's the purpose of the NFL blackout policy?

To get people to go to games instead of watching them on TV.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by JS19

What's the purpose of the NFL blackout policy?

To maximize a team's revenue by forcing people to fill the stadium if they want to see the local team or buying the NFL package.

In the NFL network TV money is fixed and evenly distributed among teams, so a blackout doesn't cost a team any revenue. In a perfect world fans would get tired of not seeing their team and would instead buy tickets or would purchase the NFL package, increasing a team's revenue. (I believe, but I'm not certain that NFL package money is also evenly distributed among teams.)

I'm not sure this actually works in the long term anymore as a fan can find highlights for any team they want, but that's the theory.

[Galaril]

So, the Redskins are talking with the Titans about a trade with Haynesworth. It sounds like the Redskins want two draft picks, which I doubt they get unless it is a 4th and 6th rounders. This would be a good deal for the Titans since most of his contract has already been paid and Fisher always was able to keep this goof ball playing.

http://twitter.com/mortreport/status/23235508409
Sources: Washington Redskins, Tennessee Titans discuss Albert Haynesworth - ESPN

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by Galaril

So, the Redskins are talking with the Titans about a trade with Haynesworth. It sounds like the Redskins want two draft picks, which I doubt they get unless it is a 4th and 6th rounders. This would be a good deal for the Titans since most of his contract has already been paid and Fisher always was able to keep this goof ball playing.

http://twitter.com/mortreport/status/23235508409
Sources: Washington Redskins, Tennessee Titans discuss Albert Haynesworth - ESPN

Unless the Redskins get a way higher than expected pick, I'd just assume keep the fatass and hope he starts playing. The money is already committed.

[Doug5984]

It was Ramsey and Daniel in the preseason, we cut Ramsey so now it's Daniel as the # 2, if the unthinkable were to happen I have a feeling we'd sign Ramsey to come in for a long stretch but Daniel could finish out a game if we needed.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by wade moore

Unless the Redskins get a way higher than expected pick, I'd just assume keep the fatass and hope he starts playing. The money is already committed.

I totally agree from a Skins fans stand point and to be honest as a Titans fan I would rather go with what we got already which is one of the better dlines in the NFL at this point.

[Lathum]

Maybe something has changes, but aren't local games blacked out even on the NFL Package?

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by wade moore

Unless the Redskins get a way higher than expected pick, I'd just assume keep the fatass and hope he starts playing. The money is already committed.

I think the Skins have finally reached the point where they have to cut ties with Haynesworth. The team's relationship with him has basically deteriorated to nothing at this point. The team spent the weekend basically bashing him and saying that he won't play for them.

If the Titans can negotiate down to something like a conditional 5th rounder (that rises to a 4 or even a 3 if certain conditions are met), then I think they need to do the deal. It might even be possible to get Albert for less than that.

On the other hand, two draft picks is too much to give up (unless it's a 6th and a 7th or something like that).

Kuharsky said this mroning they were talking one pick not two but whjo really knows. Also, some rumors on the Redskins baord said there was a discussion of haynesworth for a mid round pick and Kenny Britt,WR. One thing to keep in mind is Shannahan and Fisher are "BFFs" and they would certainly make the deal fair for both sides I think.

[Lathum]

Britt is a first rounder entering his second season with a ton of upside. I see no way they trade him for Fat Albert.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Britt is a first rounder entering his second season with a ton of upside. I see no way they trade him for Fat Albert.

Yes me too.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Doug5984

It was Ramsey and Daniel in the preseason, we cut Ramsey so now it's Daniel as the # 2, if the unthinkable were to happen I have a feeling we'd sign Ramsey to come in for a long stretch but Daniel could finish out a game if we needed.

So there's only 2 QBs? And you call it 'unthinkable' but it sounds like all you're describing is an injury to Brees, which seems pretty thinkable to me. I can't see them wanting Ramsey to come in fresh and play a long stretch without having him with the team before that (unless he's on the practice squad or something).

[stevew]

Ramsey was likely cut so that his salary wouldn't be guaranteed for the entire season. I'm sure he will be back. This is a Vested Veteran 101 type move.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by stevew

Ramsey was likely cut so that his salary wouldn't be guaranteed for the entire season. I'm sure he will be back. This is a Vested Veteran 101 type move.

Doesn't seem like it. A little googling on it makes it seem like the Saints were planning to carry only 2 QBs, and also that the Seahawks are looking to sign Ramsey.

[JPhillips]

Too bad for the Titans that Shanahan's involved. Snyder would have given you Haynesworth and next year's first for a second rounder.

[Kodos]

Guess Pat White is out in Miami.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Too bad for the Titans that Shanahan's involved. Snyder would have given you Haynesworth and next year's first for a second rounder.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Guess Pat White is out in Miami.

Yep. Pretty bad move to draft him IMO. The wildcat ran so well with Ronnie Brown, why get someone else to do it?

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Britt is a first rounder entering his second season with a ton of upside. I see no way they trade him for Fat Albert.

Britt has had a terrible offseason (on field and off) and Fisher has publicly blasted him numerous times and threatened to deactivate him. He definitely has maturity issues. I would be surprised if they dealt him based on what else they have at WR plus his promise, but it's not crazy.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by Logan

Britt has had a terrible offseason (on field and off) and Fisher has publicly blasted him numerous times and threatened to deactivate him. He definitely has maturity issues. I would be surprised if they dealt him based on what else they have at WR plus his promise, but it's not crazy.

This says alot about the Titans but the WR group is one of stronger groups they have had in the last 18 years. The kid out of Montana Mariani looks like a Welker clone and Damian Williams also appears to be a steal. They had Nate Washington and Justin Gage who are nice pieces but really would only be 3rd and 4th Wrs on a passing team like New England.

[Coffee Warlord]

Whee. I have a bet with my boss, the Steelers fan. He thinks they'll go at least 3-1 in their first four games.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Whee. I have a bet with my boss, the Steelers fan. He thinks they'll go at least 3-1 in their first four games.

He is homer if thinks that considering who they play in the first 4 games.

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by NorvTurnerOverdrive

for those in need of wr help in ff, mark clayton just got picked up by the rams. should supplant laurent robinson as the #1 there.

Thanks for the tip! I'm #1 on the waiver list because I had 12th pick in first round, so I dumped my panic pick that I screwed up and grabbed Clayton.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Yep. Pretty bad move to draft him IMO. The wildcat ran so well with Ronnie Brown, why get someone else to do it?

I'm a big Pat White fan, but I agree. I'd add that expecting much out of him in his first or second season was pretty foolish, no matter how productive he was in the wildcat (short-term). He was never going to be polished enough to be an NFL quarterback after two training camps and one season (if ever).

Hopefully he can find another job, but I have a feeling he won't get any more looks as a QB and I don't know if he is willing to move to receiver or returner. Maybe he could find success in the CFL, as he certainly has the intangibles if not the skills. In any case, I'm glad he made a million or two and got a shot.

[Doug5984]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

So there's only 2 QBs? And you call it 'unthinkable' but it sounds like all you're describing is an injury to Brees, which seems pretty thinkable to me. I can't see them wanting Ramsey to come in fresh and play a long stretch without having him with the team before that (unless he's on the practice squad or something).

Unthinkable meaning- I (and all other Saints fans) don't want to think about it, it could def happen, we just pray it won't.

The Saints do a lot of roster shuffling so it wouldn't surprise me if someone gets hurt Ramsey is added during the week for practice. Basically what it boiled down to was if we cut Ramsey he isn't likely to be picked up, if we had cut Daniel we might have lost him and I think they like him as a young backup with good potential.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Izulde

Thanks for the tip! I'm #1 on the waiver list because I had 12th pick in first round, so I dumped my panic pick that I screwed up and grabbed Clayton.

He was a $1, late-round pickup for me. Sittin pretty now I hope!

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Whee. I have a bet with my boss, the Steelers fan. He thinks they'll go at least 3-1 in their first four games.

Seriously, up the ante while you still can. This is like taking money from a moron...no wait, this IS taking money from a moron.

[MikeVic]

I think 3-1 is do-able... but I wouldn't put money on it. I'm hoping for 2-2.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

I think 3-1 is do-able... but I wouldn't put money on it. I'm hoping for 2-2.

I'm with you. I think 2-2 is the most likely outcome, but 3-1 would not be a surprise.

If Polamalu comes back healthy (as it appears), I'd be surprised if they aren't favored by a reasonable amount over Atlanta (at home) and Tampa Bay (on the road). Tennessee and Baltimore will be tough, but how well do you trust Vince Young against the Steelers defense? And, Dennis Dixon started against Baltimore last season and we lost in overtime (I believe on the road, while this one is at home).

If they play well against Tennessee and can sneak a win out there, I would be sweating that bet a little going into week 3.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I'm with you. I think 2-2 is the most likely outcome, but 3-1 would not be a surprise.

If Polamalu comes back healthy (as it appears), I'd be surprised if they aren't favored by a reasonable amount over Atlanta (at home) and Tampa Bay (on the road). Tennessee and Baltimore will be tough, but how well do you trust Vince Young against the Steelers defense? And, Dennis Dixon started against Baltimore last season and we lost in overtime (I believe on the road, while this one is at home).

If they play well against Tennessee and can sneak a win out there, I would be sweating that bet a little going into week 3.

They are 2.5 to 3 point home dogs against Atlanta right now.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

They are 2.5 to 3 point home dogs against Atlanta right now.

I'm surprised!

In any case, I like their chances to pick up 2 wins out of these first 4 games. If they drop their first one to Atlanta, they will have a serious uphill climb, though.

[Swaggs]

Reportedly no NFL interest for Pat White and, since he played in so many games last season, he is not eligible to be on a practice squad. Kind of a bummer. The 44th overall pick from two seasons ago could already be out of the NFL for good.

[Galaril]

So, I see Moss has turned on New England or vice a versa. This is no surprise of course considering the parties involved. I guess the white QB can bitch about his contract but not the black WR?

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Huh?

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Galaril

So, I see Moss has turned on New England or ice a versa. This is no sirprise of course considering the parties involved. I guess the white QB can bitch about his contract but not the black WR?

Drugs are bad.

[JS19]

Jets are starting to piss me off.

Cromartie: Jets 'are the Miami Heat of football' - CBSSports.com

Being a Giants fan, I've always been told I'm supposed to hate the Jets, but I never really did simply bc they have always sucked and were never really a rival. I don't understand where all this "we're the greatest team ever" nonsense is coming from. Big deal, they made it to the AFC Championship game last yr, I'm pretty sure 2 teams do that every yr, one of which actually wins it. They have a suck ass QB, gave up their leading rusher, complimented that with a washed up RB, and their best WR is suspended for a 1/4 of the season. I understand they have a solid D and are a good team, but I'm just not understanding where this "we are the best" is coming from.

[Cuckoo]

Just read that Fox's OKC station is going to show the Cards and Rams. I don't have NFL Sunday Ticket, so this is very good news for me. I'm excited to see how Bradford does in his first start, and the fact that he now has another former Sooner, Mark Clayton, to throw to is really cool. There will be plenty of growing pains, of course, but I'm not sure I've ever wanted to see a guy do as well in the NFL as I do for Bradford. I'm jumping on the St. Louis bandwagon long before there is one.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Galaril

So, I see Moss has turned on New England or vice a versa. This is no surprise of course considering the parties involved. I guess the white QB can bitch about his contract but not the black WR?

LMAO.

Or maybe it's that the QB's skill-set is less prone to the rapid decline-with-age that accompanies the WR's skill-set?

Or that there's only 1 starting QB, but there are multiple starting WR's?

FWIW - I love Randy Moss. Fucking man-crush on the dude. And I want to see him paid and returning (as does Brady BTW, as he has gone on record as saying today). But it is a business decision (as Moss said in his earlier comments talking about the Pats and paying older players).

That being said, I still think he can cut it for a while longer and I'd like to see them bring him back. Hell, I'm not even averse to overpaying him a bit to get it done.

So I'm far from trying to run him out of town. But nobody...at least nobody that I've heard of here in the media, is trying to paint this as a race-thing. Hell - I bet even Noop wouldn't try to do that.

That's ridiculous.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by JS19

Jets are starting to piss me off.

Cromartie: Jets 'are the Miami Heat of football' - CBSSports.com

Being a Giants fan, I've always been told I'm supposed to hate the Jets, but I never really did simply bc they have always sucked and were never really a rival. I don't understand where all this "we're the greatest team ever" nonsense is coming from. Big deal, they made it to the AFC Championship game last yr, I'm pretty sure 2 teams do that every yr, one of which actually wins it. They have a suck ass QB, gave up their leading rusher, complimented that with a washed up RB, and their best WR is suspended for a 1/4 of the season. I understand they have a solid D and are a good team, but I'm just not understanding where this "we are the best" is coming from.

Bunch of loud-mouthed egotists who haven't earned the right to even be in the beginning stages of the conversation as the "best ever" at this point.

I think it stems mostly from the massive chip on Rex Ryan's shoulder?

But yeah - I wouldn't be averse to seeing all 22 starters break their legs in week 1.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

LMAO.

Or maybe it's that the QB's skill-set is less prone to the rapid decline-with-age that accompanies the WR's skill-set?

Or that there's only 1 starting QB, but there are multiple starting WR's?

FWIW - I love Randy Moss. Fucking man-crush on the dude. And I want to see him paid and returning (as does Brady BTW, as he has gone on record as saying today). But it is a business decision (as Moss said in his earlier comments talking about the Pats and paying older players).

That being said, I still think he can cut it for a while longer and I'd like to see them bring him back. Hell, I'm not even averse to overpaying him a bit to get it done.

So I'm far from trying to run him out of town. But nobody...at least nobody that I've heard of here in the media, is trying to paint this as a race-thing. Hell - I bet even Noop wouldn't try to do that.

That's ridiculous.

No I didn't think the media is consciously making it race thing more me just being a troll

In anycase, since I am not a Pats fan I hope whoever is doing what to not pacify this ego continues to topple the Pats apple cart. I think Edelman and Welker are great slot receivers but at 5-10 180 will get killed on the outside with some of the big CBs. Moss success on the field is a big deal despite what WEEI and it's brethren there are saying.