Submarine exploring the titanic goes missing

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

WHALES DON'T HAVE GARAGES!

but they have bands


lets be real, these people are dead

[stevew]

I’m just gonna go ahead and call it now. They are all dead and everyone can go home.

[CrimsonFox]

This event has not diswayed me from staying inside and playing computer games

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

That's basically what (is believed to have happened) to the USS Thresher. The estimate is that the 279 foot nuclear sub ceased to exist in roughly 0.1 seconds.

A 22 foot container with far more questionable construction would fare no better, not against pressure of 6,000 pounds per square inch.

I guess it's a quick death but not a pleasant thought.

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

they keep hearing banging. which suggests that if it is them, there was no implosion.

how can there be no technology in existence that can detect where the banging is coming from? and why the f*** was there no sonar or other things ON the vessel...



as for your implosion answers, thanks.except for quikshot. Whose answer was completely unhelpful.

So I was thinking more of...if there is a hull breach meaning there's a hole formed in the outer and inner walls, it would just start flooding with water. But you guys seem to be saying that if a hole forms, then the aluminum can is just crushed instantly. the walls and floor and ceiling all just crush together

K. Sorry my oversimplification stumbled you.

Squeeze a lemon in your hand and it’s the same thing only do it in like a millisecond.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Qwikshot

K. Sorry my oversimplification stumbled you.

Squeeze a lemon in your hand and it’s the same thing only do it in like a millisecond.

Best analogy yet <3 YOU WIN!

[NobodyHere]

[SirFozzie]

maybe when it's found we can have submarine tourists visiting the submarine tourists of the Titanic.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

maybe when it's found we can have submarine tourists visiting the submarine tourists of the Titanic.

that's not even a joke because that's GOING to HAPPEN

[Edward64]

Some debris field found. Sounds ominous but if I had to pick, I'd rather go quickly in an implosion than run out of air.

The U.S. Coast Guard said Thursday that an underwater vessel has located a debris field near the Titanic in the search for a missing submersible with five people aboard, a potential breakthrough in the around-the-clock effort.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Some debris field found. Sounds ominous but if I had to pick, I'd rather go quickly in an implosion than run out of air.

i tell ya man I've been really stressing about this. The fact that we don't know anything has made it worse. I've been really praying for them. I think what has made it far worse is that the press picked up on that "they heard banging every half hour" story. And when no new news developments happen they just repeat that and even worse, make crap up around that that give us false hope about it. That has made mje think how horrible it is to be in a can for 5 days just waiting for help.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Some debris field found. Sounds ominous but if I had to pick, I'd rather go quickly in an implosion than run out of air.

Which will begin to beg the question of "then what were those banging sounds they supposedly heard?"

I mean, an implosion since then surely would have been picked up by the search vessels overhead.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

maybe when it's found we can have submarine tourists visiting the submarine tourists of the Titanic.

It reminds me of this:

https://dai.ly/x2n46wc

[SirFozzie]

For the love of.. please find a way to resize that or delete it CF, it's way too huge.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

For the love of.. please find a way to resize that or delete it CF, it's way too huge.

is it? perfectly fits for me. ARe you on your phone?

And fyi this site has always been horrible with graphics. It's really the only forum I"ve ever been that doesn't resize things automatically

[CrimsonFox]

there

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Which will begin to beg the question of "then what were those banging sounds they supposedly heard?"

I mean, an implosion since then surely would have been picked up by the search vessels overhead.

Maybe it imploded early, on descent e.g. before any search vessels

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

is it? perfectly fits for me. ARe you on your phone?

And fyi this site has always been horrible with graphics. It's really the only forum I"ve ever been that doesn't resize things automatically

Firefox on PC

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Maybe it imploded early, on descent e.g. before any search vessels

Yeah, that's kinda what I'm thinking ... but then what was all the "banging" noises we heard about?

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Yeah, that's kinda what I'm thinking ... but then what was all the "banging" noises we heard about?

You mentioned the Thresher last night and I ended up reading a fairly long article on it. They actually heard banging too and had the same hope but it actually ended up being found out that the banging was coming from the ship picking up the banging.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by dubb93

You mentioned the Thresher last night and I ended up reading a fairly long article on it. They actually heard banging too and had the same hope but it actually ended up being found out that the banging was coming from the ship picking up the banging.

I guess I'm hoping that the tech has improved in the past 50 years, but it's certainly possible

[cartman]

What always bugged me about the reports of hearing banging was that the hull of the thing was carbon fiber. I wouldn't think it would generate much of a sound like hitting metal would.

[bhlloy]

Sounds like they’ve found a debris field containing bits of the sub.

I read the banging was quite possibly other bits of the Titanic wreckage in the water, I don’t think it was never clarified how regular or much of a cadence it was. Also that the carbon fiber the sub was made of probably wasn’t the most conducive to sending these kinds of messages as first thought.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by cartman

What always bugged me about the reports of hearing banging was that the hull of the thing was carbon fiber. I wouldn't think it would generate much of a sound like hitting metal would.

It bugged me that there was sound happening and people are saying there isn't technology available to detect where it is coming from. That makes no sense.

also that sound was detected by the planes.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by dubb93

You mentioned the Thresher last night and I ended up reading a fairly long article on it. They actually heard banging too and had the same hope but it actually ended up being found out that the banging was coming from the ship picking up the banging.

same i went down that rabbit hole too

[bronconick]

Well, the tin can crunched.

[CrimsonFox]

[GrantDawg]

It was always the most likely outcome.

[CrimsonFox]

And of course they asked James Cameron to weigh in :P

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

It was always the most likely outcome.

At least the schroedinger's Cat situation is over since we've "looked inside the box"

[CrimsonFox]

Ya know the last time I was this engaged in a rescue effort was Baby Jessica that fell down the well...

[molson]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

And of course they asked James Cameron to weigh in :P

He's got some credentials, he's been to the Titanic wreckage many times, piloted questionably-designed deep ocean subs himself on solo missions, and directed documentaries about the Titanic wreckage.

If there's a guy who can understand the appeal of reckless adventure and discovery to the wealthy, it's him.

[Ghost Econ]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Ya know the last time I was this engaged in a rescue effort was Baby Jessica that fell down the well...

Dude, I'm old enough to remember balloon boy.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ

Dude, I'm old enough to remember balloon boy.

I remember that epic FOFC thread

what better child stuck in well or child stuck on balloon? - Front Office Football Central

That kid is 20 now.

[Lathum]

Seeing reports the kid was terrified and didn’t want to go but did it for his dad on Father’s Day.

[Ghost Econ]

It's weird they've been dead pretty much the entire time but they didn't really say they were until the official time had passed.

[RainMaker]

I don't know how accurate the "banging" stories are. And it seems like when you get that low, the technology is just not there to be that accurate.



It does seem like the Navy figured early on that they were dead.

NEWS: A top secret U.S. Navy acoustic detection system designed to spot enemy submarines first heard the Titan sub implosion hours after the submersible began its mission. https://t.co/PFuUWuXTzz

— Ben Pershing (@benpershing) June 22, 2023

[RainMaker]

Also cool to spend like a hundred million dollars searching for people who we knew were vaporized a few days ago. Could use of resources by everyone involved.

[GrantDawg]

They spend that on the average training exercise, which is basically what this was.

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[RainMaker]

Seems the billionaire also got a half a million dollar PPP loan for his death capsule too.

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by molson

He's got some credentials, he's been to the Titanic wreckage many times, piloted questionably-designed deep ocean subs himself on solo missions, and directed documentaries about the Titanic wreckage.

If there's a guy who can understand the appeal of reckless adventure and discovery to the wealthy, it's him.

Yeah, read the wikipedia article about the process to develop the sub for his Challenger Deep mission. Completely different from this. They designed multiple redundant systems, including for the failsafes, and the tested every component relentlessly to destruction multiple times. They had a whole series of trial runs and pulled out of several when they encountered unexpected problems, and then spent time diagnosing those problems, developing solutions, and testing those solutions also to destruction.

By all accounts a completely thorough and professional operation, unlike this one. Now, not all of it was done by Cameron, but at the very least he supported all of that described above, if not actively demanded it.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by molson

I remember that epic FOFC thread

what better child stuck in well or child stuck on balloon? - Front Office Football Central

That kid is 20 now.

that's quite an epic thread. I don't even remember that.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ

Dude, I'm old enough to remember balloon boy.

that's not very old.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by Atocep

I saw an interview with a guy familiar with the sub and said he knew 3 of the people on board. He explained that the most likely outcome was a hull issue and the sub likely imploded at 6000+ feet underwater.

If thats the case, what an awful way to go.

Edit: although sitting at the bottom of the ocean for 4 days waiting for oxygen to run out is probably worse.

This was always the mostly likely outcome. Quick and incredibly violent.

[JonInMiddleGA]

But only today did I realize that the hoaxing parents of Balloon boy were pardoned a few years ago

'Balloon Boy' Parents Pardoned By Colorado Governor for 2009 Hoax : NPR

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by molson

He's got some credentials, he's been to the Titanic wreckage many times, piloted questionably-designed deep ocean subs himself on solo missions, and directed documentaries about the Titanic wreckage.

If there's a guy who can understand the appeal of reckless adventure and discovery to the wealthy, it's him.

WOW! Just watched ANderson Cooper interviewing him! He's a genius about this stuff. He even told another sub company to stop what they were doing because they were going to die if they got in their sub. Didn't with this one. But he said carbgon fiber can't sustain that kind of pressure after multiple dives. That each pressure wave creates stress and weakened the structure so that you may have a couple successful dives and then it will fail. WHich is what happened.

What is the attraction to make a SUB lightweight anyway?
That's silly. It's not like it's a plane. I would think that underwater it's the design not the material that makes things go faster...but you're dealing with underwater...and that whole can of worms...i don't think speed is a good thing.

Oh one last thing cameron said. He criticized that there was an "alarm" for a failing structure because just NEEDING that speaks that it isn't safe and not a good design.

[Kodos]

I hereby nominate Stockton Rush for the Darwin Award.

[bryce]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Oh one last thing cameron said. He criticized that there was an "alarm" for a failing structure because just NEEDING that speaks that it isn't safe and not a good design.

That's one thing I've wondered. Did they know there were issues before the implosion? Would there have been a warning or signal that things were not good? Or were they just hanging out one minute, and then poof?

[JPhillips]

The implosion itself would have been faster than the human brain can process, so they wouldn't have been aware, but we'll probably never know what signs, if any, they had before the catastrophe.

[PilotMan]

Not the headline we wanted, but the headline we needed.

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