The Republican Party Headquarters Thread (No Dems Allowed!!) - Page 2

Tyrith · 07-22-2008, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by illinifan999

I just want to make sure I'm getting this. We propose a bill, and the dems propose a bill. So both bills can pass in the same night right?

Yes.

Tyrith · 07-22-2008, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

If you'd rather be the Leader, I think I'd rather be the Liaison, anyway.

Let's roll with this then.

claphamsa · 07-22-2008, 11:17 AM

that being said, I dont think Rummy will let us create a BG who can protect the seer every single night. so we need to make it random as to who the seer is (although then permamnet) so the wolves dont knwo who they are. and by random, i mean random repulblican!

Passacaglia · 07-22-2008, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by illinifan999

I just want to make sure I'm getting this. We propose a bill, and the dems propose a bill. So both bills can pass in the same night right?

I believe so, yes.

claphamsa · 07-22-2008, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyrith

Let's roll with this then.

I dont think its up to just 2 people!

Tyrith · 07-22-2008, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

I dont think its up to just 2 people!

No, but if we agree then it's much easier to convince other people to go along with us

Passacaglia · 07-22-2008, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyrith

Let's roll with this then.

That sounds good. I'm thinking we should wait until we have a bill finalized before we tell CR? That will give people more time to speak up if they want to bring up another idea.

Any thoughts on ways to ramp up the seer power? Maybe something like, "The Seer can scan two people -- one will get a true read, one will get a false read" -- that way we can scan two at a time, but it might take us a while to figure it out. Eh, as I type that, it sounds lame.

claphamsa · 07-22-2008, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

That sounds good. I'm thinking we should wait until we have a bill finalized before we tell CR? That will give people more time to speak up if they want to bring up another idea.

Any thoughts on ways to ramp up the seer power? Maybe something like, "The Seer can scan two people -- one will get a true read, one will get a false read" -- that way we can scan two at a time, but it might take us a while to figure it out. Eh, as I type that, it sounds lame.

yeah thats bad. we only want good results!

Tyrith · 07-22-2008, 11:22 AM

No, if we try to ramp it up a little I think we should do something to keep the seer alive, or to somehow protect us if the seer is a wolf. Having the seer role land on a wolf would be really bad for us...maybe your random non-wolf thing isn't so insane -- that's how it works in a normal game, isn't it? It would get us one extra clear, eventually.

claphamsa · 07-22-2008, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyrith

No, but if we agree then it's much easier to convince other people to go along with us

I agree, but the people most likely to gain from power, are the wolves....

and no one wins when we make snap deicisons. And I wonder why you all are rushing this?

Passacaglia · 07-22-2008, 11:24 AM

How about something like, "If the person scanned is a wolf, he dies immediately." I liked that from BK's game -- why bother with the nightfall votes, just get them out. Maybe we can counter it with a 25% chance the seer dies?

Passacaglia · 07-22-2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

I agree, but the people most likely to gain from power, are the wolves....

and no one wins when we make snap deicisons. And I wonder why you all are rushing this?

Who "all" is rushing this?

Tyrith · 07-22-2008, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

I agree, but the people most likely to gain from power, are the wolves....

and no one wins when we make snap deicisons. And I wonder why you all are rushing this?

Because CR is encouraging us to do so. And rightfully so -- if we don't get these bills passed today we don't have any roles for night 2, and that's not going to be good for anyone. We're not going to be able to pull together a bunch of legislation in half an hour, especially with a lot of the schedules we're working with. And Pass has made it clear we should allow a couple of hours for other people to chime in -- and I agree. So my question would be, why are you trying to stall?

Tyrith · 07-22-2008, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

How about something like, "If the person scanned is a wolf, he dies immediately." I liked that from BK's game -- why bother with the nightfall votes, just get them out. Maybe we can counter it with a 25% chance the seer dies?

I think the only way we'd get that through is if we make it like BK's game and it's a tit-for-tat death. And that doesn't stop us from getting our seer power on a wolf.

claphamsa · 07-22-2008, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Who "all" is rushing this?

well considerig 90% of the posts have been you two decideing..... and half our team hasnt even checked in.....

jeheinz72 · 07-22-2008, 11:30 AM

FYI, I"m ok with Tyrith and Pass being the Leader/Liasion

Passacaglia · 07-22-2008, 11:30 AM

CR said we can make it a random non-Wolf, but only if he chooses the person.

claphamsa · 07-22-2008, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyrith

Because CR is encouraging us to do so. And rightfully so -- if we don't get these bills passed today we don't have any roles for night 2, and that's not going to be good for anyone. We're not going to be able to pull together a bunch of legislation in half an hour, especially with a lot of the schedules we're working with. And Pass has made it clear we should allow a couple of hours for other people to chime in -- and I agree. So my question would be, why are you trying to stall?

I agree we should make a decision, but not without everyone havign a say! and we have till 9pm!

and im stallign becasue im a politcian, thats what I do!

and hell we cant elect someone untill we have peopel here to vote!

claphamsa · 07-22-2008, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

CR said we can make it a random non-Wolf, but only if he chooses the person.

This is ideal then

Tyrith · 07-22-2008, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

I agree we should make a decision, but not without everyone havign a say! and we have till 9pm!

and im stallign becasue im a politcian, thats what I do!

and hell we cant elect someone untill we have peopel here to vote!

We have till 9 to elect a leader AND get the bill passed. And we are dealing with politicians who like to stall -- we're going to need time to get their butts into gear

Passacaglia · 07-22-2008, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

well considerig 90% of the posts have been you two decideing..... and half our team hasnt even checked in.....

You should re-read my posts -- most of them are filled with caveats about waiting a while, to see if anyone else wants to put in their opinions on it.

claphamsa · 07-22-2008, 11:32 AM

i dont necessarily have a problem with pass/tyrinth, I just dont see any need to rush this

jeheinz72 · 07-22-2008, 11:33 AM

I think getting the leadership set ASAP is important. I mean, realistically, there's no way to really prevent either being a wolf. For one, neither Pass nor Tyrith are stupid enough to do anything wolfish in advance anyhow. For two, I don't think both of our party wolves (I'm under the assumption that each party has 2 wolves for a 14:4 ratio) would be some dumb as to just try and nominate themselves.

Passacaglia · 07-22-2008, 11:36 AM

Okay, CR said we can make it a random non-wolf Republican, but that maybe the Dems wouldn't go for that, and that if we get too picky, the wolves might know who to go for to get the Seer. I think this is key -- if we say the Seer has to be Republican, and the Dems say the BG has to be a Democrat, the wolves are probably more likely to go for us.

Passacaglia · 07-22-2008, 11:37 AM

What if we pass a bill with a Seer that's a Democrat, so that the wolves go after them?

claphamsa · 07-22-2008, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Okay, CR said we can make it a random non-wolf Republican, but that maybe the Dems wouldn't go for that, and that if we get too picky, the wolves might know who to go for to get the Seer. I think this is key -- if we say the Seer has to be Republican, and the Dems say the BG has to be a Democrat, the wolves are probably more likely to go for us.

Thats in interestign point

claphamsa · 07-22-2008, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

What if we pass a bill with a Seer that's a Democrat, so that the wolves go after them?

that would help us gain control of congres.... one of them gets killed then we have a majoirty!

claphamsa · 07-22-2008, 11:39 AM

what if we make it a 2 night seer, and a dem, then after 2 nights, (and hopefully 2 dems night killed) we can rethink.

claphamsa · 07-22-2008, 11:40 AM

also we have to assume that whoever the wolves are will share these ideas with the dem wolves... not that they would say anythign... but some dem will be coming up with some interesteing hypotheticals soon

Tyrith · 07-22-2008, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Okay, CR said we can make it a random non-wolf Republican, but that maybe the Dems wouldn't go for that, and that if we get too picky, the wolves might know who to go for to get the Seer. I think this is key -- if we say the Seer has to be Republican, and the Dems say the BG has to be a Democrat, the wolves are probably more likely to go for us.

Then at some point soon we need to ram another seer protection provision through Congress, or with the original seer package, that gives us some protection. I'm pretty sure there's ways we can do this - maybe something that gives the seer one time protection if he's going to be killed. I think some kind of broadcast results upon death thing would be nice to have if we're worried about night kills.

Tyrith · 07-22-2008, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

What if we pass a bill with a Seer that's a Democrat, so that the wolves go after them?

I think that would be politically crappy -- we give up our most conservative power to a liberal, it would kill both us and whoever on their side it landed on. They wouldn't go for it.

Passacaglia · 07-22-2008, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

that would help us gain control of congres.... one of them gets killed then we have a majoirty!

That could be interesting, if the wolves get an N1 Kill.

Tyrith · 07-22-2008, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

That could be interesting, if the wolves get an N1 Kill.

They don't.

claphamsa · 07-22-2008, 11:45 AM

oh eya

PurdueBrad · 07-22-2008, 11:59 AM

I'm just catching up but think that the idea of throwing the seer to the Dems is an interesting idea, but only once the wolves can kill. Up until that point, it just weakens us. Although later, it would put a target over them rather than us.

Tyrith · 07-22-2008, 12:03 PM

Putting a target on them and getting a couple of them killed isn't going to do us any good if we get out of office because we gave away our banner carrying role to the other side. In my conservative district letting those crazy Bible-burning liberals have the all important power of seer is going to be political suicide, and I'm not going to go for it.

jeheinz72 · 07-22-2008, 12:09 PM

I can see the idea of letting the Dems fall on the sword of the Seer but don't overall think it's the best of plans. A little to screwy.

Passacaglia · 07-22-2008, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrith

Putting a target on them and getting a couple of them killed isn't going to do us any good if we get out of office because we gave away our banner carrying role to the other side. In my conservative district letting those crazy Bible-burning liberals have the all important power of seer is going to be political suicide, and I'm not going to go for it.

Where does it say that the Seer needs to be a Republican for you to keep power through your constituents? If so, we might as well say in the bill that it should be a Republican.

Tyrith · 07-22-2008, 12:14 PM

It says in the rules that every vote has a political consequence. This is a game about Washington. EVERYTHING we do on the floor of Congress is going to have political consequences.

I'm going to be out for the next 2 hours, give or take.

claphamsa · 07-22-2008, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrith

It says in the rules that every vote has a political consequence. This is a game about Washington. EVERYTHING we do on the floor of Congress is going to have political consequences.

I'm going to be out for the next 2 hours, give or take.

interviewing an intern

?

illinifan999 · 07-22-2008, 12:19 PM

It sounds like the dems are going to make a dem the BG, so they could just potentially protect the seer if we give it to them for a night or so or however long a BG can protect someone.

Passacaglia · 07-22-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrith

It says in the rules that every vote has a political consequence. This is a game about Washington. EVERYTHING we do on the floor of Congress is going to have political consequences.

I'm going to be out for the next 2 hours, give or take.

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Originally Posted by The Rules

Republicans-- The Republicans favor a more attacking and aggressive stance. Therefore, their pinnacle role is the Seer and the Spy.

I don't think we'd be going outside of what Republicans favor if we make the Seer a Democrat.

Okay -- what if the Dems let us have the BG? Tit for tat?

Tyrith · 07-22-2008, 12:20 PM

One final note -- our members getting killed does not necessarily mean we (the Republicans) will lose control of Congress. Remember, districts with dead Congresspeople get attached to other, living representatives. Unless we lose a border district to the Dems the balance of power will be preserved. While there are increasing odds of additional districts winding up in the hands of the wolves we don't have to be in the foremost concerned about losing our party advantage via death.

Passacaglia · 07-22-2008, 12:23 PM

What if we get the Dems to make the BG a totally random person, regardless of party, and we make the seer the same person as their Bill?

Tyrith · 07-22-2008, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I don't think we'd be going outside of what Republicans favor if we make the Seer a Democrat.

Okay -- what if the Dems let us have the BG? Tit for tat?

It doesn't get us anywhere. Why are we trying to go screwy on this? It's all risk and minimal upside. Besides, having the seer on the other side will diminish our ability to protect that person in the future, should it become necessary, with more legislation.

And having the BG in the other party won't diminish our ability to guard the seer materially, I don't think - it's not like we can't communicate, and that the wolves can't communicate across party lines.

PurdueBrad · 07-22-2008, 12:23 PM

Ahhh, missed that in the rules Tyrith. I assumed they became 'dead' districts, which meant there would've been value in getting the dems offed.

Well, we either need to keep the seer or as Pass said, go tit for tat with the BG and seer.

Tyrith · 07-22-2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

What if we get the Dems to make the BG a totally random person, regardless of party, and we make the seer the same person as their Bill?

That I could probably deal with, as we should all get hurt or helped politically equally.

Passacaglia · 07-22-2008, 12:24 PM

Anyway, I'm heading to lunch soon. In an hour, if no one has objected, I'm going to submit myself as liaison. I'll wait until we've decided on a bill before we submit a Leader.

Tyrith · 07-22-2008, 12:24 PM

Really gone this time.

PurdueBrad · 07-22-2008, 12:24 PM

Our liasons can communicate, so what if we give the liasons the power of seer and bodyguard?

07-22-2008, 11:17 AM	#53
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	that being said, I dont think Rummy will let us create a BG who can protect the seer every single night. so we need to make it random as to who the seer is (although then permamnet) so the wolves dont knwo who they are. and by random, i mean random repulblican! __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

07-22-2008, 11:32 AM	#72
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	i dont necessarily have a problem with pass/tyrinth, I just dont see any need to rush this __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

07-22-2008, 11:39 AM	#78
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	what if we make it a 2 night seer, and a dem, then after 2 nights, (and hopefully 2 dems night killed) we can rethink. __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

07-22-2008, 11:40 AM	#79
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	also we have to assume that whoever the wolves are will share these ideas with the dem wolves... not that they would say anythign... but some dem will be coming up with some interesteing hypotheticals soon __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

07-22-2008, 11:45 AM	#84
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	oh eya __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

07-22-2008, 11:22 AM	#59
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	No, if we try to ramp it up a little I think we should do something to keep the seer alive, or to somehow protect us if the seer is a wolf. Having the seer role land on a wolf would be really bad for us...maybe your random non-wolf thing isn't so insane -- that's how it works in a normal game, isn't it? It would get us one extra clear, eventually.

07-22-2008, 11:24 AM	#61
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	How about something like, "If the person scanned is a wolf, he dies immediately." I liked that from BK's game -- why bother with the nightfall votes, just get them out. Maybe we can counter it with a 25% chance the seer dies?

07-22-2008, 11:30 AM	#67
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	CR said we can make it a random non-Wolf, but only if he chooses the person.

07-22-2008, 11:36 AM	#74
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Okay, CR said we can make it a random non-wolf Republican, but that maybe the Dems wouldn't go for that, and that if we get too picky, the wolves might know who to go for to get the Seer. I think this is key -- if we say the Seer has to be Republican, and the Dems say the BG has to be a Democrat, the wolves are probably more likely to go for us.

07-22-2008, 11:37 AM	#75
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	What if we pass a bill with a Seer that's a Democrat, so that the wolves go after them?

07-22-2008, 11:59 AM	#85
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	I'm just catching up but think that the idea of throwing the seer to the Dems is an interesting idea, but only once the wolves can kill. Up until that point, it just weakens us. Although later, it would put a target over them rather than us.

07-22-2008, 12:03 PM	#86
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	Putting a target on them and getting a couple of them killed isn't going to do us any good if we get out of office because we gave away our banner carrying role to the other side. In my conservative district letting those crazy Bible-burning liberals have the all important power of seer is going to be political suicide, and I'm not going to go for it.

07-22-2008, 12:14 PM	#89
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	It says in the rules that every vote has a political consequence. This is a game about Washington. EVERYTHING we do on the floor of Congress is going to have political consequences. I'm going to be out for the next 2 hours, give or take.

07-22-2008, 12:19 PM	#91
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	It sounds like the dems are going to make a dem the BG, so they could just potentially protect the seer if we give it to them for a night or so or however long a BG can protect someone. __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

07-22-2008, 12:20 PM	#93
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	One final note -- our members getting killed does not necessarily mean we (the Republicans) will lose control of Congress. Remember, districts with dead Congresspeople get attached to other, living representatives. Unless we lose a border district to the Dems the balance of power will be preserved. While there are increasing odds of additional districts winding up in the hands of the wolves we don't have to be in the foremost concerned about losing our party advantage via death.

07-22-2008, 12:23 PM	#94
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	What if we get the Dems to make the BG a totally random person, regardless of party, and we make the seer the same person as their Bill?

07-22-2008, 12:24 PM	#98
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Anyway, I'm heading to lunch soon. In an hour, if no one has objected, I'm going to submit myself as liaison. I'll wait until we've decided on a bill before we submit a Leader.

07-22-2008, 12:24 PM	#100
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Our liasons can communicate, so what if we give the liasons the power of seer and bodyguard?

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