NFL Week 16

[TazFTW]

I was wondering why the ATL/TB score never updated with the Falcons so close.

3-2-TB10

(13:34) T.Peterson 28 yard field goal is BLOCKED (D.White), Center-D.Rackley, Holder-M.Schaub, RECOVERED by TB-B.Kelly at TB 22. B.Kelly to TB 31 for 9 yards (A.Crumpler).

That answers it.

[Rizon]

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

At least I'm one of the few people in the country who gets to see the cute outfits the Cardinals cheerleaders are wearing today.

PICS!

[JonInMiddleGA]

So Houston takes another step toward the Reggie Bush sweepstakes, but ...

New Orleans, Green Bay, J-E-T-S - 3 wins
Arizona, Tennessee, San Fran, Oakland - 4 wins

Anybody know who has the tiebreaker "advantage" for the #2 spot (yeah, I know there's probably a ton of possible combinations). What started me wondering was whether the Saints might get the #2 & whether they would take Leinart with it if they did.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by Shorty3281

Atleast Chad had a nice celebration. The media will really enjoy his selflessness today.

I didn't get to see that game down here. What did he do?

[cthomer5000]

from what i've heard, the Jets have the weakest SoS amoung teams vying for top picks.

[Rizon]

Originally Posted by TazFTW

I was wondering why the ATL/TB score never updated with the Falcons so close.



That answers it.

And I was just curious why the ATL/TB score never updated with the Buccs so close.

2nd-9, Atlanta 20
M. Bryant missed a 27-yard field goal

JOKE

[MizzouRah]

The Rams suck!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I didn't get to see that game down here. What did he do?

From what I've read, Chad Johnson brought out a big sack of presents and started handing them out to the fans. He tried to do it in the end zone, but the officials stopped him, so he had to finish up along the sidelines.

[korme]

Eagles, he after he scored he grabbed a Christmas bag and threw signed balls, signed AFC North Champion t-shirts and hats into the stands.

[Solecismic]

AFC Playoff Picture (very easy at this point)

1. Indy (Clinched #1 spot)
2. Denver (Clinches #2 spot with 1 win in last two games, or Cincy loss next week)
3. Cincinnati (Clinches #3 spot with 1 win in last two games, or 1 New England loss)
4. New England
5. Jacksonville (Clinched #5 spot)
6. Pittsburgh (Clinches #6 spot with 1 win, or 1 San Diego win, or 1 Kansas City loss)
7. Kansas City (Takes #6 spot with 1 win, 1 San Diego loss AND 1 Pittsburgh loss)

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by Hurst2112

it is my understanding that the steelers can only be a 6 seed now. probably play the bengals if denver wins out?

Correct, the Jags are locked into the #5 seed. Pittsburgh and Kansas City are the only possible 6 seeds.

[korme]

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

From what I've read, Chad Johnson brought out a big sack of presents and started handing them out to the fans. He tried to do it in the end zone, but the officials stopped him, so he had to finish up along the sidelines.

No, he couldn't find the bag at first so the officials just told his time was up, per se. So he went to the sideline and one of the Bengals staff located the bag for him (that he misplaced). Everything was signed.

[Eaglesfan27]

Very cool. Much better than doing something with a reindeer

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally Posted by Shorty3281

No, he couldn't find the bag at first so the officials just told his time was up, per se. So he went to the sideline and one of the Bengals staff located the bag for him (that he misplaced). Everything was signed.

Oh, I see. Yeah, I was stuck watching the most unwatchable game of the day, so I didn't get to see it. I was just given bad information. Thanks.

[cthomer5000]

A tie seems like a very real possibility in the Atlanta-TB game. I know a loss eliminated Atlanta, a tie can't be very good for them.

[Solecismic]

Bush Bowl Standings

1. Houston 2-13, SoS of 125
2. New Orleans 3-12, SoS of 120
3. San Francisco 3-12, SoS of 125
4. New York Jets 3-11, Sos of 123
5. Green Bay 3-11, SoS of 125
6. Tennessee 4-11, SoS of 119
7. Arizona 4-10, SoS of 119
8. Oakland 4-10, SoS of 126

[Pumpy Tudors]

I really think that Jim ought to share whatever method he's using to determine these playoff scenarios so damn quickly.

[cthomer5000]

Interesting that Atlanta played for the tie there. I don't think they're technically eliminated with a tie, but they're basically on life support if it ends in a tie.

[Solecismic]

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

I really think that Jim ought to share whatever method he's using to determine these playoff scenarios so damn quickly.

[Pumpy Tudors]

That is fucking beautiful.

[MikeVic]

I agree. Nice spreadsheet.

[cthomer5000]

Vicks = eliminated.

[Buccaneer]

Ok, I take that back. Sorry for my outburst earlier. Damn, that was gut wrenching. Go Bucs.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

One of these days, I'm going to figure out which teams you like and which ones you don't.

Let's see:

1. pro-Bolts
2. pro-Bucs
3. pro-Pats
4. anti-Falcons
5. anti-anything that would help the Falcons (like Panthers losing)
6. anti-anything that would hurt the Bolts (like Pburg and Jax winning)
7. anti-Raiders
8. anti-Ravens

I think that covers it.

[kingfc22]

Damn Niners

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

http://tinypic.com/j5giuo.jpg

:fap: :fap: :fap:

[WSUCougar]

The Seahawks are a juggernaut.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

I believe Bucc is:

anti-Washington

I wonder where that came from?

[MikeVic]

What does an "aborted" extra point mean? I just saw it on the nfl.com scoreboard for the Broncos TD...

[Terps]

I think it's when there's a bad snap on the extra point and they have to run or pass it.

[Rizon]

Elam didn't even kick it. Plummer and Elam were talking and the snapper thought it would be funny to snap it at that point.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

I hate the NFL's broadcast rules sometimes. Pittsburgh is up 34-0 in the third quarter, and I'm stuck with this as my only game until it's over or Philly and Arizona start on Fox. This is nuts.

Ah, I have an alternate Youngstown Fox station and at least we got the Giants/Skins game. I enjoy ever minute of a huge ass victory over the Stains, however.

[Solecismic]

I should do the NFC as well. It's a little more complicated.

1. Seattle: 1 win or 1 Chicago loss secures #1, otherwise #2.
2. Chicago: 1 win secures #2; 1 win or 1 Minnesota loss secures Division.
3/4. Tampa Bay: 1 win AND 1 Giants loss secures #3; 1 win or 1 Carolina loss secures Division.
3/4. New York Giants: 1 win AND 1 Tampa Bay loss secures #3; 1 win or 1 Washington loss secures Division.

5. Washington: 1 win AND 1 Giants loss secures Division.
6. Carolina: 1 win AND 1 Tampa Bay loss secures Division.
7. Minnesota: 2 wins AND Chicago loss to Green Bay secures Division.

Wild Card:

1. Carolina secures Wild Card with win AND Tampa Bay win.
2. Washington secures Wild Card with win AND Giants win.
3. Chicago secures Wild Card with 2 losses AND Minnesota win over Baltimore AND (Carolina loss OR Tampa Bay win OR Giants loss OR Washington loss).

4. Washington secures Wild Card (at 9-7) with loss AND 1 Minnesota loss AND Dallas loss.

5. Carolina secures Wild Card with loss and Washington loss OR Dallas loss OR 1 Chicago win OR 1 Minnesota loss.

6. Tampa Bay secures Wild Card with loss and Carolina win AND 2 of the following (1 Chicago win OR 1 Minnesota loss; 1 Washington loss; 1 Dallas loss). However, all is not lost if this doesn't happen.

Seven different teams can finish with 10-6 records. Of those, only two teams - Dallas and Minnesota - do not control their own destiny.

New York Giants: Hold tie-breaker over Dallas and Carolina; lose to Washington, Chicago and Minnesota and it's uncertain (close SoV) with Tampa Bay.

Washington: Holds tie-breaker over every team but Tampa Bay; however, would win any three-way tie-breaker including Tampa Bay.

Dallas: Holds tie-breaker over Minnesota and Carolina; loses to Washington, the Giants and Chicago; is uncertain (close Sov) with Tampa Bay.

Chicago: Holds tie-breaker over every team but Minnesota and Washington. Needs rather freakish turn of events to miss playoffs.

Minnesota: Holds tie-breaker over Giants and Chicago; loses to the other four teams.

Tampa Bay: Holds tie-breaker over Washington, Minnesota and Carolina; loses to Chicago; is uncertain (close SoV) with Dallas and Giants.

Carolina: Holds tie-breaker over Minnesota; loses to the other five teams.

[Dutch]

Tampa Bay is the worst 10-5 team I've ever seen. Keep it up!!!

[Buccaneer]

It's funny, reading the Falcons message board (I read many team's boards), there is the same BS from all sides as it is here, esp. among professed Falcons fans. There are plenty of blame-it-all-on-Vick, Vick-can-do-no-wrong, Vick-is-under/overrated, etc. opinions and counter-attacks. I guess it goes with the territory. One good thing about it all is that through most of my years (decades) of following the NFL, no one paid any attention to the Falcons (except in 1980 or whatever year that was) but now they are one of the most talked about teams.

[Solecismic]

Going back to Bush Bowl:

Houston is 2-13, and wins the #1 seed with a loss against San Francisco next week.

If Houston wins, the following teams can finish 3-13:

Houston, San Francisco, New Orleans, New York Jets (with 2 losses), Green Bay (with 2 losses).

The strength of schedule is very close among those teams. Assuming a 3-13 record:

Houston, 132 guaranteed, up to 5 more up for grabs.
New Orleans, 132 guaranteed, up to 5 more up for grabs.
New York Jets, 134 guaranteed, up to 5 more up for grabs.
San Francisco, 136 guaranteed, up to 5 more up for grabs.
Green Bay, 137 guaranteed, up to 4 more up for grabs.

Remember, low number wins this one.

Based on trivial analysis (assuming good teams beat bad ones), New Orleans should win this tie-breaker. However, one upset could turn that around completely.

San Francisco is in bad shape because all their speculative points are with division-leaders either playing very bad teams or in must-win situations.

Green Bay just has too much ground to make up. The Pack can not win the #1 pick.

The Jets have a lot to make up, and basically are anti-Ravens fans right now.

The key games next week are Pittsburgh/Detroit (a Pittsburgh win helps New Orleans and hurts Houston) and Seattle/Green Bay (a Seattle win helps New Orleans and hurts Houston).

[st.cronin]

So I'm guessing Bush to Houston, Leinart to New Orleans.

[Rizon]

Raiders look uninspired and horrible as usual today. I was curious why they always seem to look this way, then I ran across this today:

[Radii]

So I didn't get to see it, but on the radio the announcers were saying that on Peppers' running into the kicker penalty that gave the Cowboys a first down, the trajectory of the ball clearly changed(meaning it was touched by a Panther, either Lucas or Peppers). Is there major controversy here or are the announcers idiots?

[Dutch]

I thought it touched Peppers jersey and I assumed it was wide right because of a deflection. However, about 3 feet of Julius Peppers was higher than the ball, so the kicker could have angled it to avoid the impending block.

It *probably* was one of those things where if it were overturned, it would have been argued that it wasn't conclusive.

[cthomer5000]

Did Brunell get knocked out hte game today? I saw Ramsey in late and i'm too lazy to research this myself.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Did Brunell get knocked out hte game today? I saw Ramsey in late and i'm too lazy to research this myself.

Sprained knee I believe.

[RPI-Fan]

How do you get those maps???

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

How do you get those maps???

hxxp://www.gribblenation.net/personal/jp/2005maps.html

[JonInMiddleGA]

This really bugs me:

Atlanta coach Jim Mora considered trying to run the clock out when the Falcons got the ball for the last time with just over two minutes left in overtime. But team officials were unable to determine how a tie would affect the club's chances of making the playoffs.

"We couldn't come up with a solid, solid answer, and I'm not really one to play for ties. ... If someone had said: 'If you tie this game and win next week, you're in the playoffs,' play for a tie," Mora said.

Okay lemme get this straight, we sit around here this afternoon & in a matter of a few minutes get a pretty good handle on the draft order implications of today's games & were even (I believe) updating them on the fly. Meanwhile apparently nobody in the Falcon chain of command managed to figure out sometime during the week "hey, what happens if we tie the Bucs"? Damn, that's just lame.

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

This really bugs me:


Okay lemme get this straight, we sit around here this afternoon & in a matter of a few minutes get a pretty good handle on the draft order implications of today's games & were even (I believe) updating them on the fly. Meanwhile apparently nobody in the Falcon chain of command managed to figure out sometime during the week "hey, what happens if we tie the Bucs"? Damn, that's just lame.

Or even while the game is going to overtime! Unbelievable.

[TazFTW]

Looking at Jim's synopsis of the NFC, maybe I should have rooted for a Cowboys lost to give us a better draft pick.


Sources say Parcells is considering retirement

ESPN.com news services

At age 64, the toll of another long season has Dallas Cowboys coach Bill Parcells privately contemplating a final retirement -- even as team owner Jerry Jones is urging the coach to sign a contract extension. Robert B. Stanton/WireImage.com A turbulent season has Cowboys coach Bill Parcells considering another retirement. Sources tell ESPN's Chris Mortensen that the death of Parcells' brother at midseason is one of the events that has triggered the coach's thoughts of retirement. If Parcells stays in Dallas, it's because he truly likes the team he has assembled, even though his work is not complete. The Cowboys (9-6) won a 24-20 thriller against the Carolina Panthers on Saturday and are still alive for a playoff berth. Dallas needs to win its final regular-season game against St. Louis to have any shot at earning one of the NFC's wild-card spots. Parcells didn't berate his team after a 35-7 loss to the Redskins last week. He figured that approach would only make things worse for a team already feeling bad enough. "When everybody else is killing them, it would be nice if somebody tried to lift them up," Parcells said. "The week before last they were saying that it was one of the greatest wins we'd had here against Kansas City. Now, and I don't know if this type of thing happens in Charlotte, but West of the Mississippi it's either outhouse or castle." Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

Doh!

[Cuckoo]

Wouldn't surprise me if Parcells retired, but it wouldn't surprise me if he sticks around either. I think he really likes the team he has put together, especially many of the younger guys.

My money's on him not deciding anything until long after the season ends.

As for the playoffs, that was a nice win for Dallas. I hate that they don't control their destiny, but if they can beat the Rams and hope for a Panthers or Redskins loss, they can get in.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Or even while the game is going to overtime! Unbelievable.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...len&id=2270951
Falcons coach Jim Mora, who was on a cell phone with team officials during the overtime attempting to decipher how a tie would affect his team's playoff status, suffered a bit of a meltdown during his postgame radio segment. Asked why he punted on fourth-and-2 in overtime, with the Falcons' postseason aspirations barely a flicker at that juncture, Mora abruptly ended the interview.

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...len&id=2270951
Falcons coach Jim Mora, who was on a cell phone with team officials during the overtime attempting to decipher how a tie would affect his team's playoff status, suffered a bit of a meltdown during his postgame radio segment. Asked why he punted on fourth-and-2 in overtime, with the Falcons' postseason aspirations barely a flicker at that juncture, Mora abruptly ended the interview.

Mora is gonna crash and burn as an NFL coach. He's so high strung and intense, but he lets little things (Criticism of Vick) get to him, and he then overlooks big things (Implications of a tie), all while being so wired up that I can just see him snapping, or needing to step down for his own sanity.