POL: Stop the NAFTA Highway!!! - Page 2

st.cronin · 08-30-2006, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

Businesses that hire illegal aliens to keep from paying decent wages for legal labor. Not for themselves, of course, just for the rest of us.

People that break the law do harm this country. I don't think there's any question of that. But free trade is GOOD for this country.

Drake · 08-30-2006, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

I still say Bubba would be the last person that would spread the gospel to those south of the border or to illegals here. Just imagine the look on Bubba's face if he gets to heaven and can't find the borders of the USA!

I'm pretty sure Bubba is more interested in building the Kingdom of America than the Kingdom of Heaven.

Izulde · 08-30-2006, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

By your standards, there can never be a consensus on anything. Not likely.

I never said there can never be a consensus on anything.

Even a unanmious consensus is possible, if you're operating with a small enough unit (One of the criticisms I have with Rosseau's method of government is that he fails to realize applying it to anything larger than a county size would result in massive logistical headaches).

Bubba Wheels · 08-30-2006, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

I still say Bubba would be the last person that would spread the gospel to those south of the border or to illegals here. Just imagine the look on Bubba's face if he gets to heaven and can't find the borders of the USA!

Way to graft an eggplant into an orange tree. What the heck does spreading the Gospel have to do with national soverignty and border control? Or are you saying that those outside of the U.S. are so ignorant that they could not possibly be reached within their own national borders?

Or, based on your last statement, are you just against national borders? Or just against the U.S. having borders? You raise more questions than you attempt to answer.

Izulde · 08-30-2006, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

But free trade is GOOD for this country.

For this country, yes.

I disagree about free trade being good for nations much lower on the technological scale, but that's another argument entirely.

Bubba Wheels · 08-30-2006, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Drake

I'm pretty sure Bubba is more interested in building the Kingdom of America than the Kingdom of Heaven.

Read post to Izulde. Same questions apply to you.

Izulde · 08-30-2006, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

Way to graft an eggplant into an orange tree. What the heck does spreading the Gospel have to do with national soverignty and border control? Or are you saying that those outside of the U.S. are so ignorant that they could not possibly be reached within their own national borders?

Or, based on your last statement, are you just against national borders? Or just against the U.S. having borders? You raise more questions than you attempt to answer.

Interestingly enough, Erich Kastner in Die Konferenz der Tiere (Conference of the Animals) makes the argument that there should be no national borders, along with some other things, such as the best teachers being the government officials if I remember right.

Fascinating stuff, but ultimately too optimistic of human nature for my tastes.

Bubba Wheels · 08-30-2006, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Izulde

Interestingly enough, Erich Kastner in Die Konferenz der Tiere (Conference of the Animals) makes the argument that there should be no national borders, along with some other things, such as the best teachers being the government officials if I remember right.

Fascinating stuff, but ultimately too optimistic of human nature for my tastes.

The book I read was 'Animal Farm.' Seems to get to the heart of where your coming from.

Here in Detroit (or close by, as it may be) the teachers are talking strike because they want pay increases even though student enrollment is dropping by 10,000 a year. And even though each student gets the equivalent of $10,000 a year, administration is top-heavy and gets too much of the loot. This is actually one of the stated reasons the teachers are giving.

So your correllation between teachers/educators and government sounds about right. Never enough money and too much of it going where its least needed. You think that's a good thing?

Buccaneer · 08-30-2006, 08:08 PM

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What the heck does spreading the Gospel have to do with national soverignty and border control?

It doesn't...and that's the point!

Izulde · 08-30-2006, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

The book I read was 'Animal Farm.' Seems to get to the heart of where your coming from.

My word... do you honestly mean to tell me that just because they both have Animal in their title you think there's a connection between the two?

I... I'm amazed.

Buccaneer · 08-30-2006, 08:12 PM

Plus, Bubba and the Guardian Angels would be the first to keep our Lord out upon His return because 1) he's not a citizen of the USA and 2) he wouldn't have the proper documenation and approval from the Federal Govt.

sabotai · 08-30-2006, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

It means in poll after poll the VAST majority of Americans do NOT want open borders, lower standards of living and the numbers of illegal aliens we now have. What do you think it means?

The term "American mainstream" is not limited to just a few topics, or select topics of convience that you always stupidly dish out. Just because there is a majority against this one issue of NAFTA does not suddenly make those who do support it way outside of the "American mainstream". If the standard for if someone falls within the "American mainstream" is that they have to agree with the majority on all issues, then there is no "American mainstream" because no one in the country falls within the majority on every issue. Most of the people who posted in this thread probably agree with the majority on the majority of the issues, which would place them quite nicely within the "American mainstream"

Then again, this whole mainstream thing is just your typical red herring, and one you've pulled out before. It doesn't matter how well everyone's arguments fall within whatever it is you think the "American mainstream" is. It's completely irrelevent and the typical nonsense you give to avoid actually talking about the issue.

Bubba Wheels · 08-30-2006, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Plus, Bubba and the Guardian Angels would be the first to keep our Lord out upon His return because 1) he's not a citizen of the USA and 2) he wouldn't have the proper documenation and approval from the Federal Govt.

So you think that Jesus would come back as an illegal alien? You have alot to learn about God, my friend. Breaking the law is sin, unless that law is against God. And Jesus never sinned.

And although Jesus would forgive an illegal alien (who repented), He would never condone the action in the first place.

Buccaneer · 08-30-2006, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

So you think that Jesus would come back as an illegal alien? You have alot to learn about God, my friend. Breaking the law is sin, unless that law is against God. And Jesus never sinned.

And although Jesus would forgive an illegal alien (who repented), He would never condone the action in the first place.

Congratulations, you have rendered me utterly speechless.

sabotai · 08-30-2006, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

I still say Bubba would be the last person that would spread the gospel to those south of the border or to illegals here. Just imagine the look on Bubba's face if he gets to heaven and can't find the borders of the USA!

Doesn't it make you mad as hell that, because of people like Bubba, when some people think of "Christians", they can't help but to think of people like Bubba?

Bubba Wheels · 08-30-2006, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Congratulations, you have rendered me utterly speechless.

I'm sure thats never happened to you before. Take it all a step further. Mexicans make up the majority of illegal aliens. Should we be playing favorites with the Mexicans? Why, that's bigoted, isn't it?

Now suppose the majority of illegal aliens suddenly coming into the U.S. are Muslims from Middle East countries (actually happening more and more, many portraying themselves to be Mexicans.)

And with many Muslims wanting to control nations under Sharia law, if they then set that up in your hometown you have no problem with it? If you do, based on what you just stated earlier, your either a bigot (against Muslims) or a hypocrite (applying one set of rules/laws to one nationality and culture over another).

Bubba Wheels · 08-30-2006, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sabotai

Doesn't it make you mad as hell that, because of people like Bubba, when some people think of "Christians", they can't help but to think of people like Bubba?

This is an easy one. Many other examples of 'Christian' exist far and wide out there. If one is utilizing myself as an example of why they would never become a 'Christian' that would simply be an excuse to ignore God and His works everywhere else.

cartman · 08-30-2006, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubba in the Hotel PPV Porn thread

I make my prediction based on the fact that many believe the U.S. was created by God (thru circumstances and the founders) to evangelize the world thru its missionary works (those preaching the Gospel of Christ, not those trying to win 'hearts and minds' by political means.)

That's a pretty clear connection that you say the USA is "God's chosen country", and supports what others were saying about your point of view earlier in this thread.

sachmo71 · 08-30-2006, 08:34 PM

Waiting for the POL in the title...

clintl · 08-30-2006, 08:36 PM

Don't tell Bubba about the Alcan.

Bubba Wheels · 08-30-2006, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

That's a pretty clear connection that you say the USA is "God's chosen country", and supports what others were saying about your point of view earlier in this thread.

That's just a personal opinion of mine and one that many in the Christian faith have. And many in the Christian faith may also believe in open borders.

But it doesn't make you any less of a Christian to believe that the U.S. is allowed to maintain borders and its national soverignty over them, unlike what many here seem to want to be saying. Read the Bible, God is all about laws and obeying them.

God says that He is the one that enables governments in the first place, for law and order no less. See that one word there, law I mean.

tanglewood · 08-30-2006, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

So you think that Jesus would come back as an illegal alien? You have alot to learn about God, my friend. Breaking the law is sin, unless that law is against God. And Jesus never sinned.

And although Jesus would forgive an illegal alien (who repented), He would never condone the action in the first place.

I think this is simultaneously the funniest thing and the scariest thing I've ever read.

Bubba Wheels · 08-30-2006, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71

Waiting for the POL in the title...

The title has the word NAFTA in it. Do you really think it needs the word POL? Or are you just anal retentive about thread titles but not about immigration laws?

Bubba Wheels · 08-30-2006, 08:42 PM

The one question you illegal alien enablers cannot answer is this: If its ok to break our immigration laws to benefit yourself, then why is it not ok to break other laws to benefit yourself, like tax laws?

cartman · 08-30-2006, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

The one question you illegal alien enablers cannot answer is this: If its ok to break our immigration laws to benefit yourself, then why is it not ok to break other laws to benefit yourself, like tax laws?

Why are you equating a NAFTA corridor and illegal immigration? For all intents and purposes, this NAFTA corridor is going to either use or closely follow the current path taken by I-35, which already runs between Mexico and Canada. How is adding more lanes to I-35 enabling illegal immigration?

Bubba Wheels · 08-30-2006, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Why are you equating a NAFTA corridor and illegal immigration? For all intents and purposes, this NAFTA corridor is going to either use or closely follow the current path taken by I-35, which already runs between Mexico and Canada. How is adding more lanes to I-35 enabling illegal immigration?

It is two different issues, but some have used this thread to challenge my postion on illegal immigration. Equating being against the NAFTA highway to wanting to 'keep the Mexicans out."

JPhillips · 08-30-2006, 09:14 PM

So Jesus would cast an illegal immigrant into Hell unless he repented for his sin of crossing an invisible line.

Where does Jesus stand on speeding tickets and jaywalking?

Drake · 08-30-2006, 09:21 PM

More importantly, where does Jesus stand on porn, which is *not* against the law?

Galaxy · 08-30-2006, 09:23 PM

Wasn't Jesus born out of weblock? Wouldn't Mary and God be a sinner?

Galaxy · 08-30-2006, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

Read the Bible, God is all about laws and obeying them.

God says that He is the one that enables governments in the first place, for law and order no less. See that one word there, law I mean.

I never understood why the Bible is such a concerte view of what God wants. I mean, no one "knows" God, and he didn't write it.

Drake · 08-30-2006, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

...weblock?...

Isn't that what you call the relationship between people who meet through an online dating service?

tanglewood · 08-30-2006, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

Wasn't Jesus born out of weblock? Wouldn't Mary and God be a sinner?

Plus, I'm pretty sure that Jesus and Mary illegally traveled across the border to Egypt. Which would make Jesus a sinner. Except Jesus didn't sin.

Oh dear.

dawgfan · 08-30-2006, 09:34 PM

I note that, as per usual, Bubba is ignoring facts presented to him that contradict his poorly thought out views.

clintl · 08-30-2006, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tanglewood

Plus, I'm pretty sure that Jesus and Mary illegally traveled across the border to Egypt. Which would make Jesus a sinner. Except Jesus didn't sin.

Oh dear.

There were no borders then. It was all Rome.

Galaxy · 08-30-2006, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Drake

Isn't that what you call the relationship between people who meet through an online dating service?

Damn keyboard.

Drake · 08-30-2006, 09:39 PM

I think you should say you coined it and just start treating it like a real word. It's got moxie. It could catch on.

sachmo71 · 08-30-2006, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

The title has the word NAFTA in it. Do you really think it needs the word POL? Or are you just anal retentive about thread titles but not about immigration laws?

I could give two flips about immigration laws. Everyone knows that thread titles are my pride and joy.

digamma · 08-30-2006, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

It is two different issues, but some have used this thread to challenge my postion on illegal immigration. Equating being against the NAFTA highway to wanting to 'keep the Mexicans out."

Yet, you were the first person to mention illegal immigration in this thread. Hmm...

AENeuman · 08-31-2006, 01:55 AM

I have found over the years in reading Bubba that it is best to think of him as not real, rather one of those emotion faces, maybe angry-isolated face.

On second thought, Bubba should change his name to Joshua, as in the emotionless, stubborn and destructive computer in War Games.

Coder · 08-31-2006, 02:34 AM

Now I know why I like Bubba so much.. he reminds me of Larry the Cableguy!

I'm just waiting for him to tell us that Jesus came to America on the Mayflower..

Toddzilla · 08-31-2006, 09:04 AM

Also, it helps to understand that, despite 60% of Americans wanting the US to pull out of Iraq within a year, those 60% do not reflect the opinions of "mainstream Americans" - at least according to our President.

These concepts - "mainstream", "consensus", "sovereignty" - don't seem to have the same meaning to all of us.

rkmsuf · 08-31-2006, 09:12 AM

So let me get this straight. Isn't Bubba a man of God, so to speak? So this religious person looks down his nose at anyone not fortunate enough to be born in America as less a human? Correct me if I'm wrong but that's what I'm taking away from this...keep the dirty illegals out.

That's fine I guess but smacks of hypocracy.

Galaxy · 08-31-2006, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

So let me get this straight. Isn't Bubba a man of God, so to speak? So this religious person looks down his nose at anyone not fortunate enough to be born in America as less a human? Correct me if I'm wrong but that's what I'm taking away from this...keep the dirty illegals out.

That's fine I guess but smacks of hypocracy.

Kinda like the extreme Islamics, expect you put in Muslim instead of America.

Jonathan Ezarik · 08-31-2006, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

And with many Muslims wanting to control nations under Sharia law, if they then set that up in your hometown you have no problem with it?

As opposed to all those Christians who want to control nations under Christian law, which you have no problem with, right? It's ok to have fundamentalist Christians make laws in our hometowns based on their beliefs (such as blue laws, abortion, what constitutes marriage, etc.) but it's a horrible idea for Muslims?

Toddzilla · 08-31-2006, 10:40 AM

Somthing about the way Bubba is talking and what he is saying sounds conspicuously like Katherine Harris...

ISiddiqui · 08-31-2006, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Toddzilla

Somthing about the way Bubba is talking and what he is saying sounds conspicuously like Katherine Harris...

Which is going to lead to hilarity when Harris gets spanked by Nelson (or even before that) and BW starts yelling how the entire state of Florida is outside the "mainstream"

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sachmo71 · 08-31-2006, 12:12 PM

i think this is a political thread. common courtesy would be to put POL in the title...

stevew · 08-31-2006, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71

i think this is a political thread. common courtesy would be to put POL in the title...

Yes, and not putting pol in the title should be a bannanable offense.

sachmo71 · 08-31-2006, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Yes, and not putting pol in the title should be a bannanable offense.

sounds good to me.

JediKooter · 08-31-2006, 01:35 PM

Is god the creator of everything?

08-30-2006, 09:14 PM	#77
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08-31-2006, 02:34 AM	#90
Coder College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden	Now I know why I like Bubba so much.. he reminds me of Larry the Cableguy! I'm just waiting for him to tell us that Jesus came to America on the Mayflower.. __________________ IFL - Vermont Mountaineers ~ I am an idiot, walking a tight rope of fortunate things ~

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rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	So let me get this straight. Isn't Bubba a man of God, so to speak? So this religious person looks down his nose at anyone not fortunate enough to be born in America as less a human? Correct me if I'm wrong but that's what I'm taking away from this...keep the dirty illegals out. That's fine I guess but smacks of hypocracy. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

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08-30-2006, 08:12 PM	#61
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	Plus, Bubba and the Guardian Angels would be the first to keep our Lord out upon His return because 1) he's not a citizen of the USA and 2) he wouldn't have the proper documenation and approval from the Federal Govt.

08-30-2006, 08:34 PM	#69
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	Waiting for the POL in the title...

08-30-2006, 08:36 PM	#70
clintl College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Davis, CA	Don't tell Bubba about the Alcan.

08-30-2006, 08:42 PM	#74
Bubba Wheels College Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	The one question you illegal alien enablers cannot answer is this: If its ok to break our immigration laws to benefit yourself, then why is it not ok to break other laws to benefit yourself, like tax laws?

08-30-2006, 09:21 PM	#78
Drake assmaster Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bloomington, IN	More importantly, where does Jesus stand on porn, which is not against the law?

08-30-2006, 09:23 PM	#79
Galaxy Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2005	Wasn't Jesus born out of weblock? Wouldn't Mary and God be a sinner?

08-30-2006, 09:34 PM	#83
dawgfan Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Seattle	I note that, as per usual, Bubba is ignoring facts presented to him that contradict his poorly thought out views.

08-30-2006, 09:39 PM	#86
Drake assmaster Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bloomington, IN	I think you should say you coined it and just start treating it like a real word. It's got moxie. It could catch on.

08-31-2006, 01:55 AM	#89
AENeuman College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: SF	I have found over the years in reading Bubba that it is best to think of him as not real, rather one of those emotion faces, maybe angry-isolated face. On second thought, Bubba should change his name to Joshua, as in the emotionless, stubborn and destructive computer in War Games.

08-31-2006, 09:04 AM	#91
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	Also, it helps to understand that, despite 60% of Americans wanting the US to pull out of Iraq within a year, those 60% do not reflect the opinions of "mainstream Americans" - at least according to our President. These concepts - "mainstream", "consensus", "sovereignty" - don't seem to have the same meaning to all of us.

08-31-2006, 10:40 AM	#95
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	Somthing about the way Bubba is talking and what he is saying sounds conspicuously like Katherine Harris...

08-31-2006, 12:12 PM	#97
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	i think this is a political thread. common courtesy would be to put POL in the title...

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