NFL week 15 thread - Page 2

Thomkal · 12-16-2012, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tucker rocky

Arizona scored a TD.

The world really is coming to an end then.

MIJB#19 · 12-16-2012, 04:14 PM

At 10-6 the Dallas-Washington winner will be ahead of NYGiants.

At 9-7 If Dallas beats Washington, Dallas is ahead on common games*. If Washington beats Dallas, Washington is ahead on division record. NYGiants will be behind the others no matter what happens from here on.

* Common games tie-breaker for the NFC East teams is all results minus the games vs NFC North and NFC West opponents. Dallas has that one locked up (Chi L, Sea L), 1 game better than Washington (Min W, StL L) and 2 better than NYGiants (GB W, SF W), if tied in total W/L after 16 games.

Jas_lov · 12-16-2012, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

Seattle is almost definitely going at least 10-6. I think it'll be a however many dog fight for the last spot at 9-7

Yeah, looks like they'll score another 50+ today, lol. What the Bears have going for them is games at Arizona and at Detroit, two they can still win even with their struggles against better teams. If they go 10-6 it puts the pressure on the other 8-6 teams to win out. Giants have to play Baltimore, Dallas and Washington play each other, and the Vikings have to play at Houston and home vs GB. Chicago still has a good shot at #6 seed.

tucker rocky · 12-16-2012, 04:17 PM

Matt Flynn might get some more reps this week, as Seattle continues its dominance against bad teams.

BishopMVP · 12-16-2012, 04:19 PM

Also, I believe the Patriots set a post-merger NFL record for points in consecutive games with 108 a couple weeks ago. After last week's 58-0 shellacking and this week's fast start Seattle is at 89 mid 2nd-quarter vs. the Bills. I know Football Outsiders' metrics have loved them all year, but I didn't buy them being quite this good.

whomario · 12-16-2012, 04:24 PM

Russel Wilson with 3 rushing TDs in the first half after not getting one all year.
I know people for some reason felt a need to harp on him but the last couple weeks he´s doing absolutely everything that was asked of him.

Matthean · 12-16-2012, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

I apologize on behalf of my fellow Cardinals fans for the offensive debacle you are about to see. Kevin Kolb got moved to the regular IR, so its apparently the rookie for the rest of the season.

However, the Lions are involved.

RedKingGold · 12-16-2012, 04:26 PM

Seahawks are peaking too soon!

(At least that's what I'm telling myself as a 49ers fan).

Jas_lov · 12-16-2012, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Kind of funny that the two best "Comeback" seasons of all time happen the same year.

Are those two the frontrunners for MVP with Brady and Rodgers 3 and 4? I think if the Vikings make the playoffs and AP breaks the rushing record he'll win the MVP. They have no passing game. ROY is also very interesting as it's looking like Luck, RG3 and Wilson might make the playoffs.

Desnudo · 12-16-2012, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Also, I believe the Patriots set a post-merger NFL record for points in consecutive games with 108 a couple weeks ago. After last week's 58-0 shellacking and this week's fast start Seattle is at 89 mid 2nd-quarter vs. the Bills. I know Football Outsiders' metrics have loved them all year, but I didn't buy them being quite this good.

Wilson would be either one or two (rg3 being the other) rookie of the year if he played in a major market. They have one of the best strength of victory records. If they get some home field games they could easily go to the SB.

tucker rocky · 12-16-2012, 04:34 PM

I see NE scheduled a practice game next week.

Matthean · 12-16-2012, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jas_lov

ROY is also very interesting as it's looking like Luck, RG3 and Wilson might make the playoffs.

If Indy makes it and they should, Luck wins it. Cousins filled in for RGIII. Seattle has Flynn. Luck has to perform for Indy to do anything. Luck also led his team to a likely +8 change in wins vs. maybe +5 for RGIII one of which he didn't play, and +4 at most for Wilson. Indy has the 8th most passing yards. Washington is 21st. Seattle is 29th. Washington is #1 in rushing. Seattle is #4. Indy is #22.

Thomkal · 12-16-2012, 04:53 PM

Well Detroit that was a pretty pathetic first half against the worst offensive in football.

stevew · 12-16-2012, 04:55 PM

That was amazing

Big Ben

Matthean · 12-16-2012, 04:56 PM

If the Lions do lose this game, somebody seriously does need to be fired. Stafford is 9-22 with two INTs. In other words, the Cards have more points than Stafford's QBR.

BishopMVP · 12-16-2012, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jas_lov

Are those two the frontrunners for MVP with Brady and Rodgers 3 and 4? I think if the Vikings make the playoffs and AP breaks the rushing record he'll win the MVP. They have no passing game. ROY is also very interesting as it's looking like Luck, RG3 and Wilson might make the playoffs.

I think Brady is right there 1A/B/C. 10 picks for Manning vs. 4 for Brady. We'll see - all 3 have major storylines to play out in the next 2-3 weeks. AP needs the Vikings to make the playoffs (and probably needs to break Dickerson's record to have a chance), Manning and Brady are fighting for at least a bye if not homefield - if Brady looks as good vs. SF's defense as he did in last week's primetime showdown vs. Houston I think he's the frontrunner. He's also been doing it without either Hernandez or Gronkowski almost all season.

Jas_lov · 12-16-2012, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

If Indy makes it and they should, Luck wins it. Cousins filled in for RGIII. Seattle has Flynn. Luck has to perform for Indy to do anything. Luck also led his team to a likely +8 change in wins vs. maybe +5 for RGIII one of which he didn't play, and +4 at most for Wilson. Indy has the 8th most passing yards. Washington is 21st. Seattle is 29th. Washington is #1 in rushing. Seattle is #4. Indy is #22.

Yeah, but the other two are also putting up pretty good numbers and not turning it over as much. Luck has more passing yards but RG3 has 500 more rushing yards. Is Indy's possible +8 in wins all due to Luck? If the Colts had just an average QB last year they probably don't lose 14 games. I think all 3 have a good case as I'm not sure any of them were expected to win 10 games and they all might.

Honolulu_Blue · 12-16-2012, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

Well Detroit that was a pretty pathetic first half against the worst offensive in football.

The defense gave up 2 sub-10 yard drives off turnovers and Stafford threw a pick six. The worst offense in football wasn't asked to do all that much in that half.

Matthean · 12-16-2012, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

The defense gave up 2 sub-10 yard drives off turnovers and Stafford threw a pick six. The worst offense in football wasn't asked to do all that much in that half.

And yet it succeeded.

stevew · 12-16-2012, 05:29 PM

the Steelers cannot keep playing 8 yards off the Cowboys receivers.

mckerney · 12-16-2012, 05:29 PM

frnk55 · 12-16-2012, 05:35 PM

Now that was a hell of a bomb.

kingfc22 · 12-16-2012, 05:42 PM

Pete Carroll calls a fake punt up 47-17...

Buccaneer · 12-16-2012, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mckerney

Perhaps this will be the very last we'll see of him?

Matthean · 12-16-2012, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

Pete Carroll calls a fake punt up 47-17...

A 49ers/Seahawks playoff game needs to happen.

rowech · 12-16-2012, 05:50 PM

Coaches who pass on 3rd and 1 should be fired.

rowech · 12-16-2012, 05:54 PM

I guess it wasn't really a pass. I should say any coach who doesn't run a rb into the line on 3rd and 1 should be fired.

Matthean · 12-16-2012, 05:58 PM

Stafford has scored more points for Arizona than his own team.

stevew · 12-16-2012, 06:05 PM

Fuckin A...we just blew a chance to put Dallas in the ground.

jbergey22 · 12-16-2012, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

At what point do discussions about Adrian Peterson being in the "best of all time" category begin? Dude is incredible.

I think they began his rookie year

His fumbles were his only weakness but he took care of that last season. And atleast I dont have to hear people(like Skip Bayless) trying to claim Chris Johnson as being the best in the league anymore. That just made me sick.

BishopMVP · 12-16-2012, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rowech

I guess it wasn't really a pass. I should say any coach who doesn't run a rb into the line on 3rd and 1 should be fired.

Bo? Woody?

Buccaneer · 12-16-2012, 06:21 PM

Ugh. No QB who goes 14 for 21, 104 yds and 1 int should deserve to win in a rout.

Desnudo · 12-16-2012, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jas_lov

Yeah, but the other two are also putting up pretty good numbers and not turning it over as much. Luck has more passing yards but RG3 has 500 more rushing yards. Is Indy's possible +8 in wins all due to Luck? If the Colts had just an average QB last year they probably don't lose 14 games. I think all 3 have a good case as I'm not sure any of them were expected to win 10 games and they all might.

+luck is near top in INTs and Indy has barely won games on weak sister schedule while Seattle has far harder. Indy's point differential indicates more like a 5-9 team which means they've been lucky in a lot of close games.

Matthean · 12-16-2012, 06:25 PM

Stafford is the new Rivers or Romo. A highly talented QB you would never want if something was on the line.

stevew · 12-16-2012, 06:27 PM

Antonio Brown is giving dallas this game

larrymcg421 · 12-16-2012, 06:43 PM

On 3rd and 4, Cowboys should've run it. That way they could've gone for it on 4th down without worrying about giving the ball back to Pitt with too much time on the clock.

stevew · 12-16-2012, 06:51 PM

Outcoached back to back by Norv and Garrett

Buccaneer · 12-16-2012, 06:55 PM

Following on GameCenter, I got confused when I read Romo taking a knee first and goal. Then I remembered that Pittsburgh already had the ball.

My son is excited since that likely knocks the Giants down to 3rd place but I'm disappointed since that brings the Jets back into play.

tucker rocky · 12-16-2012, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Outcoached back to back by Norv and Garrett

They way SD played today, that loss last week seems unreal.

Matthean · 12-16-2012, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jas_lov

If the Colts had just an average QB last year they probably don't lose 14 games.

Let's not forget the stable of QBs Seattle and Washington had. Both teams brought in two new QBs.

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

+luck is near top in INTs and Indy has barely won games on weak sister schedule while Seattle has far harder. Indy's point differential indicates more like a 5-9 team which means they've been lucky in a lot of close games.

Luck also throws a lot more passes so teams expect the pass much more. Luck isn't as gifted as a runner so it is one less thing to worry about. Washington still scored 38 points with their backup rookie QB. Sure, Seattle is putting up a stupid amount of points against bad teams, but it kind of helps having a coach run fake punts when you are up 30. For how good Seattle is suppose to be, there are bad loses in there with the good wins. I just think Luck has brought his team further along than the other two have. Some of that so called luck in close games is due to, you know, Luck.

Desnudo · 12-16-2012, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

Let's not forget the stable of QBs Seattle and Washington had. Both teams brought in two new QBs.

Luck also throws a lot more passes so teams expect the pass much more. Luck isn't as gifted as a runner so it is one less thing to worry about. Washington still scored 38 points with their backup rookie QB. Sure, Seattle is putting up a stupid amount of points against bad teams, but it kind of helps having a coach run fake punts when you are up 30. For how good Seattle is suppose to be, there are bad loses in there with the good wins. I just think Luck has brought his team further along than the other two have. Some of that so called luck in close games is due to, you know, Luck.

You know, people seem to have this position on Luck and no amount of evidence can move them off it. They've been incredibly lucky in close games which is something that is variable year to year. It will be interesting to see if they return to expectations next year.

tucker rocky · 12-16-2012, 07:31 PM

After that performance of the national anthem, I have an urge for some opera listening.

kingfc22 · 12-16-2012, 07:34 PM

Niners defense better being their A game today. Need to get pressure on Brady all night.

Desnudo · 12-16-2012, 07:40 PM

How long is the president supposed to be talking...

kingfc22 · 12-16-2012, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

How long is the president supposed to be talking...

Not sure but it appears the Niners went straight down the field through the air!

Desnudo · 12-16-2012, 07:44 PM

yes, I'm glad I missed the action. Sounds like the bad old Patriots pass d is back.

jeff061 · 12-16-2012, 07:44 PM

I don't want to seem heartless(but I will), I'm sure the speech is on every channel on TV. Show the game.

I'm watching on the web now and was lucky enough to see Moss torch the Pats.

Jas_lov · 12-16-2012, 07:45 PM

The game is on CNBC and NBC Sports Network until Obama's speech is over.

jeff061 · 12-16-2012, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

yes, I'm glad I missed the action. Sounds like the bad old Patriots pass d is back.

Eh, forty niners made some nice plays. Pats didn't look great, but not as bad as they did weekly early in the season.

Desnudo · 12-16-2012, 07:47 PM

game here

stadium-live

12-16-2012, 04:14 PM	#52
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12-16-2012, 04:24 PM	#56
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12-16-2012, 04:56 PM	#65
Matthean Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008	If the Lions do lose this game, somebody seriously does need to be fired. Stafford is 9-22 with two INTs. In other words, the Cards have more points than Stafford's QBR. __________________ Board games: Bringing people back to the original social network, the table.

12-16-2012, 05:42 PM	#73
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12-16-2012, 05:58 PM	#78
Matthean Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008	Stafford has scored more points for Arizona than his own team. __________________ Board games: Bringing people back to the original social network, the table.

12-16-2012, 04:17 PM	#54
tucker rocky Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Of no particular interest	Matt Flynn might get some more reps this week, as Seattle continues its dominance against bad teams.

12-16-2012, 04:19 PM	#55
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	Also, I believe the Patriots set a post-merger NFL record for points in consecutive games with 108 a couple weeks ago. After last week's 58-0 shellacking and this week's fast start Seattle is at 89 mid 2nd-quarter vs. the Bills. I know Football Outsiders' metrics have loved them all year, but I didn't buy them being quite this good.

12-16-2012, 04:26 PM	#58
RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	Seahawks are peaking too soon! (At least that's what I'm telling myself as a 49ers fan).

12-16-2012, 04:34 PM	#61
tucker rocky Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Of no particular interest	I see NE scheduled a practice game next week.

12-16-2012, 04:53 PM	#63
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Well Detroit that was a pretty pathetic first half against the worst offensive in football.

12-16-2012, 04:55 PM	#64
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	That was amazing Big Ben

12-16-2012, 05:29 PM	#70
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	the Steelers cannot keep playing 8 yards off the Cowboys receivers.

12-16-2012, 05:29 PM	#71
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000

12-16-2012, 05:35 PM	#72
frnk55 High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2006	Now that was a hell of a bomb.

12-16-2012, 05:50 PM	#76
rowech Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2006	Coaches who pass on 3rd and 1 should be fired.

12-16-2012, 05:54 PM	#77
rowech Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2006	I guess it wasn't really a pass. I should say any coach who doesn't run a rb into the line on 3rd and 1 should be fired.

12-16-2012, 06:05 PM	#79
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Fuckin A...we just blew a chance to put Dallas in the ground.

12-16-2012, 06:21 PM	#82
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	Ugh. No QB who goes 14 for 21, 104 yds and 1 int should deserve to win in a rout.

12-16-2012, 06:25 PM	#84
Matthean Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008	Stafford is the new Rivers or Romo. A highly talented QB you would never want if something was on the line. __________________ Board games: Bringing people back to the original social network, the table.

12-16-2012, 06:27 PM	#85
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Antonio Brown is giving dallas this game

12-16-2012, 06:43 PM	#86
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12-16-2012, 06:51 PM	#87
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Outcoached back to back by Norv and Garrett

12-16-2012, 06:55 PM	#88
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	Following on GameCenter, I got confused when I read Romo taking a knee first and goal. Then I remembered that Pittsburgh already had the ball. My son is excited since that likely knocks the Giants down to 3rd place but I'm disappointed since that brings the Jets back into play.

12-16-2012, 07:31 PM	#92
tucker rocky Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Of no particular interest	After that performance of the national anthem, I have an urge for some opera listening.

12-16-2012, 07:34 PM	#93
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12-16-2012, 07:40 PM	#94
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	How long is the president supposed to be talking...

12-16-2012, 07:44 PM	#96
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	yes, I'm glad I missed the action. Sounds like the bad old Patriots pass d is back.

12-16-2012, 07:44 PM	#97
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	I don't want to seem heartless(but I will), I'm sure the speech is on every channel on TV. Show the game. I'm watching on the web now and was lucky enough to see Moss torch the Pats. __________________

12-16-2012, 07:45 PM	#98
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	The game is on CNBC and NBC Sports Network until Obama's speech is over.

12-16-2012, 07:47 PM	#100
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	game here stadium-live

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