Trump's Immigration Reform

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Like Edward said, Israel is not controlling our immigration policy.

Criticize Israel? No visa for you says Rubio! pic.twitter.com/SzEj6VovdO

— Bilal Abdul Kareem (@BilalKareem) May 29, 2025

I'll refer you back to my response in #822 Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - Trump's Immigration Reform

If that's your proof that Israel has "full control of our immigration policies" vs (my statement) "influences" ... like I say, you live in la-la-land, and apparently, it's very, very small.

[Edward64]

In my earlier exchange with Miami_fan, we couldn't even get agreement on who/what an "immigrant" is. And TBF, I've probably not been consistent either.

So, as I anticipate alot of lively debate in the next several weeks, I'm going to provide my definitions, assumptions etc. to level set and provide how I'll be using the terms.

If you do not agree with them, that's okay. You may have better definitions but provide a source and we may come to a consensus (or not) and I'll edit my definitions.

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I'm proposing there are 4 broad categories of population that will be discussed.

1. Immigrants (legal)
2. Non-immigrants (legal)
3. Illegal/unauthorized immigrants
4. Other (legal)

1. Immigrants

See link for government definition

8 USC 1101: Definitions, specifically #15.

If you want to parse through the legalese, more power to you. However, I would propose a more digestible definition based largely on what visa types the government issues as found here

Directory of Visa Categories

Therefore, my definition of an immigrant is one that has an immigrant visa and/or PR/green card.

2. Non-immigrants

As defined by visa types in link above. Therefore ...

• H1-B specialty occupation. Not an immigrant
• F-1 student visa. Not an immigrant

3. Illegal immigrants

I did not find a definition in the links above but proposed the Congressional definition

Just a moment...

Unauthorized immigrants are noncitizens (aliens under the law)1 who generally have entered the United States without inspection, overstayed a period of lawful admission (overstays), or violated the terms of their admission. The population is also referred to by different adjectives by various observers, including undocumented, irregular, and illegal.2

4. Other

Miscellaneous bucket for those that don't fit in the above 3 categories. These include

• DACA. There's a lot of unsettled legal stuff right now
• Parolees (e.g. CHNV parole program)

[Edward64]

More definitions & notes

1. Deportation

https://www.usa.gov/deportation-process

Deportation is the process of removing a noncitizen from the U.S. for violating immigration law. The U.S. may detain and deport noncitizens who:

• Participate in criminal acts
• Are a threat to public safety
• Violate their visa

Note this definition applies to a noncitizen and therefore, a US citizen cannot be deported.

2. Denaturalization

See post #505 link below. Essentially, a naturalized citizenship can be revoked under specific situations (e.g. lying on application form)

https://forumsold.operationsports.co...&postcount=505

3. Detaining a US citizen

I'm tossing this for future reference. From some past discussions, some of you think a LEO asking for identification & detaining a US citizen is fascism. Happens all the time right now (search YT for "police stops").

The key is ...

There needs to be a legitimate/reasonable purpose/suspicion and it shouldn't be for an excessive length of time unless there are extenuating circumstances.

An example I've used previously in this thread, a LEO suspects a DUI, stops the car, asks driver for "id, registration, proof of insurance". If the driver does not cooperate (and yeah, there's plenty), the LEO can detain the person until it gets resolved ... including taking the driver back to the station to be identified. Similar for shoplifting, trying to cash a bad check, domestic violence etc.

Extending it to an ICE detainment, if US citizen is in an area with illegals that are picked up, it's pretty reasonable to detain the US citizen to verify status before releasing.

4. Lack of due process for a US citizen

Yes, there's been some cases that definitely could have been better handled. But note this has been an ICE issue for a while now ...

https://immigrationimpact.com/2021/0...t-us-citizens/

Additional investigations by oversight agencies, the press, and research organizations have found that thousands of U.S. citizens have been targeted for immigration enforcement since ICE’s founding in 2003. This includes arrests, detention, and in some cases, deportation of American citizens, with one study from 2011 estimating that ICE incarcerated 20,000 U.S. citizens over an eight-year period from 2003 through 2011.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ

So we've reached at least 2 wrongfully imprisoned people. Have we reached a number where Edward might to start to rethink things?

Once is too many, twice is intentional. The Waffen-ICE-ICE fucks need to be harassed anytime they're seen on the streets.

https://www.newsweek.com/merwil-guti...lvador-2059783

See #4 in Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - Trump's Immigration Reform

Originally Posted by Atocep

If the Trump administration maintains its current pace, it will deport about 575k people over 4 years.

It is true that Trump is behind the pace of Joe (and Obama). But from what I read, many of Joe's deportations occurred at the border and many of Trump's is from the interior. Or in other words, Trump's number are lower due to the reduced number of illegals attempting to cross the border.

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Meanwhile, a man born in Georgia has been arrested in Florida as entering the state as an illegal alien. His mother came to the court house and showed the judge his birth certificate and his social security card, but the judge said it doesn't matter because they can't override a ICE hold.
@llanosjackie.bsky.social on Bluesky

I may be mistaken ... but from what I've read, FL cops did the stop and owns (most) of this mistake. It seems he providewd the necessary documents to the FL troopers. He was detained for 48 hours which I agree is too long.

See #4 in Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - Trump's Immigration Reform

Originally Posted by cuervo72

That's ok, Edward says you can just show your papers and...oh, wait.

Yes, that is exactly what you do. A Real ID drivers license should be good enough.

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

I'm not sure fascist cunts feel unbelievably stupid, to be honest. I suspect he's not posting as much because he's worn out from carrying those goal posts so much.

Nope. Was enjoying my 9+ weeks in paradise. Any word on ICE coming to round you up yet or do I have to wait till Aug 2030?

Originally Posted by Flasch186

TBF he’s never wrong because the goal posts move

Still waiting to read about any teachers killed yet because of "Don't Say Gay" bill? It's been 2.5 years now?

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Amazing how a guy who posted 20 times a day saying this wouldn’t happen is now a ghost once proven wrong over and over again

Go ahead, quote me. Shouldn't be too hard, its only 20 pages in this thread. But give me an opportunity to review my quote and context/exchanges around it. If I'm wrong, I'll admit it.

Originally Posted by cuervo72

‘We’re citizens!’: Oklahoma City family traumatized after ICE raids home, but they weren’t suspects

OKLAHOMA CITY (KFOR) — A woman says her family’s fresh start in Oklahoma turned into a nightmare after federal immigration agents raided their home, taking their phones, laptops, and life savings – even though they were not the suspects the agents were looking for.

Originally Posted by Lathum

but according to Edward isn't this how it is supposed to work? Everything will be OK because they are citizens.

Definitely a screwup, no question.

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Trying to figure out if this 2 year old was one of those hardened criminals we hear so much about.

Toddler held in US after parents’ deportation has been returned to Venezuela | CNN

Per your article, sounds like a Joe screwup?

The toddler and her parents entered the US in May 2024 to seek asylum, according to a court document filed by legal advocacy groups.

After their arrival, the couple were put in immigration detention while their daughter was placed in the custody of the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR), the father had said in a sworn declaration.

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

W....T.....F...?
Kristi Noem Wants Migrants to Compete for Citizenship on New Reality Show

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I agree, definitely in poor taste.

Originally Posted by RainMaker

How many forms of ID do you need?

Access Denied

Originally Posted by miami_fan

U.S. citizen wasn't enough or is there another reason we separating out those who are native born and those who are naturalized?

Apparently, just one.

Garcia said he was released from the vehicle where he was held after he gave the arresting officials his Social Security number, which showed he is a U.S. citizen.

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

New Cato Analysis: 50+ Venezuelans Imprisoned in El Salvador came to US Legally — Never Violated Immigration Law

Originally Posted by Edward64 View Post
We'll agree to disagree. I'm willing to undergo some inconvenience to reduce illegal invasion.

Thanks for quoting me so I can look it up and respond. See link below but also one has to read previous posts for context.
Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - POTUS 2024 - Harris vs Trump - General Election Discussion

In "undergo some inconvenience to reduce illegal invasion" quote was around the discussion of LEO stopping me and asking for identification. No problem in that.

Specific to your quote on illegals sent to El Salvador, I'll quote myself on a previous post #751

Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - Trump's Immigration Reform

[NobodyHere]

save 4

[flere-imsaho]

gish gallop

[Flasch186]

This changed the temperature and removed the tension greatly because teachers weren’t as concerned about losing their jobs, being attacked for conversations that may occur, so the teachers stepped down their anger and desire to agitate against the bill and what it meant for hostilities.

I’ll admit I was wrong because I don’t foresee a growth in the temperature surrounding the topic and there won’t be any gotcha moments that result in media and pot stirring on the news.

https://www.npr.org/2024/03/11/12377...ce=chatgpt.com

See wasn’t hard to admit to be wrong on something and even explain why


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[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

I’ll admit I was wrong because I don’t foresee a growth in the temperature surrounding the topic and there won’t be any gotcha moments that result in media and pot stirring on the news.
:
See wasn’t hard to admit to be wrong on something and even explain why

Okay.

Similarly, my offer below ...

Originally Posted by kingfc22 View Post
Amazing how a guy who posted 20 times a day saying this wouldn’t happen is now a ghost once proven wrong over and over again

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

gish gallop

Never happy. You guys had a ton of comments and many accused me of running away from your infantile gotcha's because I didn't respond back in a timely manner.

I told you I had connectivity issues on my trip. And now that I'm back, I'm answering as much as I can and you accuse me of this. Wishy washy ...

But yeah, looking forward to Aug 2030 or earlier. Either way, I win.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I'll refer you back to my response in #822 Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - Trump's Immigration Reform

If that's your proof that Israel has "full control of our immigration policies" vs (my statement) "influences" ... like I say, you live in la-la-land, and apparently, it's very, very small.

Yeah dude, the Secretary of State putting out a video statement that you can't come here unless you show fealty to Israel seems a bit like that country might be running our immigration at this point. Also, they're the ones picking and choosing which students to deport. Please let me know if you can find us doing this for any other country in existence.

Canary Mission, the controversial organization targeting student activists, explained | Vox

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Yeah dude, the Secretary of State putting out a video statement that you can't come here unless you show fealty to Israel seems a bit like that country might be running our immigration at this point. Also, they're the ones picking and choosing which students to deport. Please let me know if you can find us doing this for any other country in existence.

Canary Mission, the controversial organization targeting student activists, explained | Vox

From your article ...

This pro-Israel group keeps a blacklist. Now it’s taking credit for deportations.

Canary Mission, the controversial organization targeting student activists, explained.

So, student (& professor) activist are your definition of "full control of our immigration policies"?

Small la-la-land indeed.

[RainMaker]

Again, the Secretary of State is on video saying a prerequisite to enter this country is fealty to a tiny rogue nation in the Middle East. That they are putting a ton of resources into scouring social media for this as well. A pro-Israeli group (funded by Israel) is submitting names to our government and those people are being arrested and removed.

If you can find any scenario in the history of this country that compares to that, please let me know. But as it stands, you can bash the United States, Canada, anyone else in the world and be allowed in. You can't criticize one country though. I'd say that's control.

[RainMaker]

They literally arrested a college student for writing an op-ed saying a school should listen to its students because it made Israel mad. Please find any other time where we did something like this.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Again, the Secretary of State is on video saying a prerequisite to enter this country is fealty to a tiny rogue nation in the Middle East. That they are putting a ton of resources into scouring social media for this as well. A pro-Israeli group (funded by Israel) is submitting names to our government and those people are being arrested and removed.

If you can find any scenario in the history of this country that compares to that, please let me know. But as it stands, you can bash the United States, Canada, anyone else in the world and be allowed in. You can't criticize one country though. I'd say that's control.

How does Israel have ""full control of our immigration policies" as it relates to Chinese students?

reuters.com

U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio announced on Wednesday the United States will start "aggressively" revoking visas of Chinese students, including those with connections to the Chinese Communist Party or studying in critical fields.

Just a couple more examples ...

• How does current reduction of illegals & border controls relate to Israel-Hamas?
• How does turning off TPS/Parole program relate to Israel-Hamas?
• How does the birthright citizenship battle relate to Israel-Hamas?

What I propose, in a world much bigger than in your la-la-land, is in my post #822

Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - Trump's Immigration Reform

Just using % to roughly represent our points. When you say Israel has "full control of our immigration policies", that's everything, that's 100%.

My position is that Israel definitely "influences". I'll give it up to 20% because there's a ton of immigration issues (see above) not focused in your la-la-land of antisemitism and race baiting.

[Ghost Econ]

This is America

HSI immigration agents raid restaurant in San Diego South Park | cbs8.com

[JPhillips]

Crossed into Canada at Niagara and the Canadian guard ran my license, asked if I had anything to declare, and let me through. The American guard asked why I was in Buffalo since I lived in Newburgh. Then questioned my explanation of being an actor presenting shows. Finally he let me through, but returning to the USA was much more invasive than entering Canada.

[JPhillips]

dola

Fuck these guys for going after people who are following the rules. Arresting people who are showing up for immigration hearings is evil and ultimately counterproductive. It will just make it so nobody follows the legal process.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

It will just make it so nobody follows the legal process.

Which is exactly what they want.

[Flasch186]

Literally saying explicitly that Edward is wrong, finally.


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[Lathum]

yeah, but Edward is willing to be inconvenienced so we can get rid of some brown people with tattoos ( I better not get too tan this summer)

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

Literally saying explicitly that Edward is wrong, finally.

For reference, your pic was from this article US immigration officials push for increased detentions, including ‘collateral’ arrests | US immigration | The Guardian

I read through the article and I think what you think I've said (aka the gotcha) is not what I said. But go ahead, my offer below extends to you also ... quote me AND tell me how this article has proved me wrong.

Originally Posted by kingfc22 View Post
Amazing how a guy who posted 20 times a day saying this wouldn’t happen is now a ghost once proven wrong over and over again

[Lathum]

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/...massachusetts/

fucking dreadful, kid was brought here by his parents when he was 6. Now 18 been a model citizen.

Hopefully Edward wasn't too inconvenienced.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Lathum

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/...massachusetts/

fucking dreadful, kid was brought here by his parents when he was 6. Now 18 been a model citizen.

Hopefully Edward wasn't too inconvenienced.

According to your link, son was not a citizen. Also claimed to be a “habitual traffic offender” (needs to be verified but that’s what son is accused of). So let’s not spread fake news about citizens being detained, arrested and about to be deported.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Edward64

According to your link, son was not a citizen. Also claimed to be a “habitual traffic offender” (needs to be verified but that’s what son is accused of). So let’s not spread fake news about citizens being detained, arrested and about to be deported.

Sorry, forgot you are too thick to understand the expression, and the horror of an 18 year old having traffic violations...

Doubling down on being wrong is your superpower.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Sorry, forgot you are too thick to understand the expression.

Doubling down on being wrong is your superpower.

Accuracy (and definitions) matter when there’s fake news being tossed around

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Accuracy (and definitions) matter when there’s fake news being tossed around

I think I speak for everyone when I say I am looking forward to your next overseas trip.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I think I speak for everyone when I say I am looking forward to your next overseas trip.

Quite possibly this Fall for a backpacking trip. Definitely next year though.

Take the time to learn how to read the articles you post carefully and not spread fake news.

If this kid is a "habitual traffic offender", then yeah, there better illegals to be sympathetic for.

Below is something the Dems should make a big ruckus on and IMO can find much more sympathy from the independent block. I'd also think some GOP would be uncomfortable with this.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-s-to-...migrants-chnv/

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I think I speak for everyone when I say I am looking forward to your next overseas trip.

[dubb93]

The real issue here is the high likelihood that ICE is just blatantly lying about his traffic infractions(confusing one brown dad for one brown son.) Multiple sources confirm that he does not have a criminal record including his attorney and multiple news outlets. If the attorney is lying in court about his criminal record, well, he won’t be an attorney long.

He does have an expired visa, but being a high school junior and having came over here at 6 there is a real question about his much he actually knows about and understand that whole process. It’s also a civil infraction.

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Sorry, forgot you are too thick to understand the expression, and the horror of an 18 year old having traffic violations...

The article clearly states that it's the father who has the traffic violations (and the car the son was driving was registered to the father, which is why it was stopped by ICE who just detained the son because they could, I guess).

ICE implied the son has traffic violations, which I guess fits Edward's definition of due process:

"I'll put it back on you," he told reporters. "What about an 18-year-old that was stopped for a traffic violation by Mass. State Police who's wanted for being a habitual traffic offender on his way to graduation? Would you be asking that same question to the Mass. State Police for not arresting him? Like I didn't say he was dangerous, I said he's in this country illegally. We're not going to walk away from anybody."

Given that the son was not stopped by Mass. State Police, the above statement from ICE should, using proper English, be taken as most likely a hypothetical or, second most likely, the ICE agent mixing up the son & father.


Regardless, the point of all this is that advocating for due process is aligned with the 4th amendment of the U.S. Constitution and being OK with what ICE is doing is aligned with fascism.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

The article clearly states that it's the father who has the traffic violations (and the car the son was driving was registered to the father, which is why it was stopped by ICE who just detained the son because they could, I guess).

Yes, I concur this is probably what happened.

ICE implied the son has traffic violations, which I guess fits Edward's definition of due process:

Per your quote which I'll reprint below, IMO there's no implying. He said ...

"I'll put it back on you," he told reporters. "What about an 18-year-old that was stopped for a traffic violation by Mass. State Police who's wanted for being a habitual traffic offender on his way to graduation?

But I do agree. I suspect he misspoke (or got misquoted or lied) and hence why I qualified my statements

Also claimed to be a “habitual traffic offender” (needs to be verified but that’s what son is accused of).

If this kid is a "habitual traffic offender", then yeah, there better illegals to be sympathetic for.

[flere-imsaho]

Keep carrying that water.

[GrantDawg]

Kilmar Abrego Garcia is being brought back to the United States. They are going to attempt to try him for being a mule to bring people across the border. Of course the fact they can do this flies in the face of their claims they could not return him to the US.


Edit: Let me correct that. "Human trafficing" because he was stopped one time in a work truck with eight other Hispanic men in Tennessee.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Kilmar Abrego Garcia is being brought back to the United States. They are going to attempt to try him for being a mule to bring people across the border. Of course the fact they can do this flies in the face of their claims they could not return him to the US.


Edit: Let me correct that. "Human trafficing" because he was stopped one time in a work truck with eight other Hispanic men in Tennessee.

I wonder what font his human trafficker tattoo is in.

[GrantDawg]

There is a ICE stand off eith civilians at Paramount in Los Angles. People are stopping the ICE vehicles with detainees from leaving the area. There has been smoke and tear gas deployed, but it hasn't stopped the crowds. Just now a ICE vehicle rammed the crowd. Expect casualties.

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[GrantDawg]

The president has just nationalized 2,000 National Guard units in California. So it begins.

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[Edward64]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

There is a ICE stand off eith civilians at Paramount in Los Angles. People are stopping the ICE vehicles with detainees from leaving the area. There has been smoke and tear gas deployed, but it hasn't stopped the crowds. Just now a ICE vehicle rammed the crowd. Expect casualties.

I've not read this elsewhere. Bad if it was intentional.

Lots of pics here

Trump sends National Guard to Los Angeles amid chaos in the streets as protesters clash with ICE agents | Daily Mail Online

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

The president has just nationalized 2,000 National Guard units in California. So it begins.

The 2k is worrisome but not near as worrisome as Hegseth's "marines" threat. I believe the only way he could do that is if Trump invokes the insurrection act and it's not near there (yet).

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by dubb93

The real issue here is the high likelihood that ICE is just blatantly lying about his traffic infractions(confusing one brown dad for one brown son.) Multiple sources confirm that he does not have a criminal record including his attorney and multiple news outlets. If the attorney is lying in court about his criminal record, well, he won’t be an attorney long.

For some, the real issue here is you or anyone expecting ICE or any government agency/official tell the American public truth in such incidents?

If we (that's right ladies and gentleman don't pull back) don't trust our government implicitly, then are you really a true American?

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

The president has just nationalized 2,000 National Guard units in California. So it begins.

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And in the most Trump move ever, he apparently activated them without any federal funding to support the operation and didnt supply then with quarters. So they're sleeping on floors in federal buildings and don't have funding for food, fuel, etc.

[MrBug708]

This is crazy. I live in one of the towns that’s currently being raided by ice in LA County. They’ve hit up the library a local car wash and a few other places like Home Depot. This isn’t where the protests are happening, but in Whittier.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Atocep

And in the most Trump move ever, he apparently activated them without any federal funding to support the operation and didnt supply then with quarters. So they're sleeping on floors in federal buildings and don't have funding for food, fuel, etc.

It's not meant to do anything productive. Just a distraction from the pedophile accusations and shitty economy.

The National Guard is supposed to stir up fear or something but almost every time they've been called in recent memory, they just sit in the back twiddling their thumbs. No one in the Guard wants to deal with this shit or have to sleep on a tile floor somewhere for a week.

[Mota]

I'm going to Atlanta next month for the MLB All-Star Game, and I will be carrying my passport with me everywhere I go. If this was for fun and not for business, I would never cross the border.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Mota

I'm going to Atlanta next month for the MLB All-Star Game, and I will be carrying my passport with me everywhere I go. If this was for fun and not for business, I would never cross the border.

I heard today 60% of Canadians have cancelled travel plans to the US.

So much winning

[Flasch186]

They were all going to overstay their visas anyways…


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[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Edward64

The 2k is worrisome but not near as worrisome as Hegseth's "marines" threat. I believe the only way he could do that is if Trump invokes the insurrection act and it's not near there (yet).

No surprise, it's escalating ...

The Pentagon is mobilizing an additional 2,000 National Guard troops to Los Angeles on President Donald Trump’s order, it said late Monday, escalating the ongoing feud with California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D).

Earlier, it announced it had sent 700 Marines to backstop the National Guard, which Trump ordered deployed this past weekend to quell clashes between demonstrators and law enforcement after immigration raids in the region.

Not sure what "backstop" means but assume (support but not directly doing law enforcement) Trump's way of not having to declare an "insurrection" at this time.

The Insurrection act says

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/insu...y?id=122650690

The Insurrection Act states, in part: "Whenever there is an insurrection in any State against its government, the President may, upon the request of its legislature or of its governor if the legislature cannot be convened, call into Federal service such of the militia of the other States, in the number requested by that State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to suppress the insurrection."

Another provision states it can be used "whenever the President considers that unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion against the authority of the United States, make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any State by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings."

Newsome and CA won't do first quote. So, it'll be second quote that Trump will use if he decides to pull the trigger.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

They were all going to overstay their visas anyways…

Apparently folks keep tabs and tattle on these things, too.

World’s most popular TikTok star Khaby Lame leaves the US after being detained by ICE | AP News

[GrantDawg]

I want to know the full story on that. My understanding is he has an Italian passport. That means he should have been able to stay in the country for 90 days without a visa. He has only been here since April 30th.

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[RainMaker]

Yeah, Italy is part of the Visa Waiver Program. You can visit for 90 days without a visa. Pretty much all of Europe is part of it.

[Passacaglia]

I'm assuming in like 3 months everyone will praise Trump for bringing him back even though the Democrats wanted him out.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I want to know the full story on that.

My understanding is he has an Italian passport. That means he should have been able to stay in the country for 90 days without a visa. He has only been here since April 30th.

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From what I've read so far ...

Not enough info to really know. Wait a week and more info will generally come out as to why.

Some speculation as to why ...

• He didn't come in under visa waiver, he came in under an actual visa with < 90 days
• He was working while in the US without the appropriate visa e.g. can't work under visa waiver
• He did come under visa waiver but Immigration has discretion to reduce from the 90 days
• His passport was going to expire and when entering, Immigration gave him less than 90 days (think this is less likely)