2011-12 MLB Offseason Thread: Tigers are really stupid - Page 21

Ksyrup · 12-20-2011, 02:38 PM

If they didn't at least top the Red Sox offer for Dice-K, they knew they had no chance.

Senator · 12-20-2011, 02:40 PM

This is exciting news. But tempered... very tempered.

MikeVic · 12-20-2011, 02:42 PM

Why do people not like the Jays, what did they ever do?

stevew · 12-20-2011, 07:31 PM

Someone talk SI down from the ledge.

Oh-say-can-Yuneski?

lungs · 12-20-2011, 08:24 PM

As bad as Yuni is as a starter, I don't think he'd be a bad utility man

sterlingice · 12-20-2011, 08:30 PM

FOR 2 MILLION DOLLARS (plus options)?!?

Batter Nine, You Sucky!

SI

Scarecrow · 12-20-2011, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Someone talk SI down from the ledge.

Oh-say-can-Yuneski?

Glad to see SI posting - between the Yuni signing and the KU debacle, I figured he'd be in some sort of drunken stupor.

Buccaneer · 12-20-2011, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

Why do people not like the Jays, what did they ever do?

Play in Canada, the true land of hockey.

Young Drachma · 12-21-2011, 01:10 AM

Toronto lost a blind bid. It's not as if they knew and all indications are that they came very, bery close. I'm comfortable with their effort and unless you are Yankees, Red Sox or Marlins (ha) fan, we have more titles than you since 1993. Sucks, but the Blue Jays are (slowly) on the rise again. Rogers has deep pockets, It's not if it's when...and its a heavy price to pay when the precedent is that Japanese hurlers don't hack it. Also, if the guy decides he wants no part of Dallas...it's all for naught.

Toronto would've been the best locale for him culturally. But that's all water under the bridge now.

RedKingGold · 12-21-2011, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

Why do people not like the Jays, what did they ever do?

1993, fuck you Joe Carter.

SackAttack · 12-21-2011, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

Toronto would've been the best locale for him culturally.

Wait, what? I would've thought Seattle, had they bid, would've been the best cultural fit.

sterlingice · 12-21-2011, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Scarecrow

Glad to see SI posting - between the Yuni signing and the KU debacle, I figured he'd be in some sort of drunken stupor.

To be fair, with KU, it's just not that big of a deal. It's not in the tourney. Heck, it's not even in conference. We're not going to be great this year- the team's not deep and while we have talent, expectations are not nearly as high as year's past.

Yuni... well, I was trying to figure out how to explain this frustration to a non-baseball fan and I'm just not able to verbalize it. In the end, is it a big deal? No- it's one year and not a ton of money. However, any money spent on a replacement level player like Yuni shows the Royals front office still has a fundamental misunderstanding of how to value players.

SI

Young Drachma · 12-21-2011, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

1993, fuck you Joe Carter.

You got our former GM AND our ace in the 2000s to fuel your own rise to power. Cry me a river.

Young Drachma · 12-21-2011, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

Wait, what? I would've thought Seattle, had they bid, would've been the best cultural fit.

No way. Just because the Mariners have Ichiro and are owned by Nintendo? Toronto is a world class city befitting a half-Persian, half-Japanese baseball star. Though I guess the rumor perpetually was he only wanted to be on the west coast. I guess we'll see if he signs or goes back to Japan.

cartman · 12-21-2011, 06:21 PM

He won't be on a cultural island with the Rangers. They do have Yoshinori Tateyama and Koji Uehara on the roster, and Colby Lewis played a couple of years in Japan. Plus on the pitching front there is a guy in the front office by the name of Nolan Ryan.

SackAttack · 12-21-2011, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

No way. Just because the Mariners have Ichiro and are owned by Nintendo? Toronto is a world class city befitting a half-Persian, half-Japanese baseball star. Though I guess the rumor perpetually was he only wanted to be on the west coast. I guess we'll see if he signs or goes back to Japan.

Partly both of those, yes.

Partly also because Vancouver is right across the border and my understanding is, Vancouver has a fairly healthy expatriate Japanese population.

Logan · 12-21-2011, 06:42 PM

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Educated guess: The bidding on Yu Darvish was not close. Nobody, including Toronto, was within country miles of the Rangers' $51.7m bid.

Coffee Warlord · 12-22-2011, 09:52 AM

Word is Sean Marshall (the annual winner of Cubs Most Terrifying Looking Face) to Reds for Travis Wood & 2 minor leaguers.

rowech · 12-22-2011, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Word is Sean Marshall (the annual winner of Cubs Most Terrifying Looking Face) to Reds for Travis Wood & 2 minor leaguers.

It's become clear that the Reds are taking their shot now. Trading prospects for now. They've got a 2-3 year window and they're getting rid of their extra pieces to shore up where they're weak.

ISiddiqui · 12-22-2011, 11:03 AM

Well they sense some weakness (obviously). With Latos and Marshall it looks like they can make a decent run.

Ksyrup · 12-22-2011, 12:51 PM

Awesome!

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lungs · 12-22-2011, 01:14 PM

Just a rough prognostication for the NL Central right now, but I'd put the Reds, Brewers and Cardinals at +-10 wins of 85. I know, really going out on a limb. But luck, injuries and all that stuff considered, 10 wins seems to be how teams can swing.

I'd put Pirates and Cubs at +-10 wins of 75 and the Astros at +-10 of 65.

Since I'm a Brewer fan, my obnoxious fan prediction is Brewers 95 wins, Reds 85, Cardinals 75. Unless the Reds fans on here start getting obnoxious proclaiming themselves the clear frontrunners, then you can reverse the Reds and Cardinals. The FOFC Cardinals contingent are too agreeable for me to blindly hate them on here

DeToxRox · 12-22-2011, 04:37 PM

The Athletics will trade Gio Gonzalez to the Nationals in a deal that further depletes Oakland's pitching staff and adds to Washington's potentially dominant rotation. The deal sends four young players, including three of the Nationals' top ten prospects, to the Bay Area: right-handers A.J. Cole and Brad Peacock, left-hander Tom Milone and catcher Derek Norris. ESPN.com's Keith Law broke the news on Twitter.

Never been a Gio fan, very glad the Tigs refused to meet this price.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 12-22-2011, 05:23 PM

LoMo just tweeted Prince to Mariners...

DaddyTorgo · 12-22-2011, 05:35 PM

Glad the Sox are being shut out. Prepare to miss the playoffs again and for the circus!

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 12-22-2011, 05:38 PM

No way Sox could have matched the Nats offer without completely gutting the system. Like, 4 of our top 7 prospects?

Atocep · 12-22-2011, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

The Athletics will trade Gio Gonzalez to the Nationals in a deal that further depletes Oakland's pitching staff and adds to Washington's potentially dominant rotation. The deal sends four young players, including three of the Nationals' top ten prospects, to the Bay Area: right-handers A.J. Cole and Brad Peacock, left-hander Tom Milone and catcher Derek Norris. ESPN.com's Keith Law broke the news on Twitter.

Never been a Gio fan, very glad the Tigs refused to meet this price.

Wow, that's a nice haul for Gio. Considering what's gone on in the AL West this offseason it makes sense to sell high on him.

SackAttack · 12-22-2011, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

Wow, that's a nice haul for Gio. Considering what's gone on in the AL West this offseason it makes sense to sell high on him.

No kidding. You aren't going to compete with Texas/Anaheim this year, so sell high and plan for 3-5 years from now when you (hopefully) have a new stadium.

Rizon · 12-22-2011, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

No kidding. You aren't going to compete with Texas/Anaheim this year, so sell high and plan for 3-5 years from now when you (hopefully) have a new stadium.

The Pathetics love em utility guys and bust prospects. Omnomnomnom 90-100 loss seasons for the next few years until they get rejected for new stadium and trade other players for more utility guys and bust prospects and have more 90-100 loss seasons.

Vince, Pt. II · 12-22-2011, 09:04 PM

Beltran to the Cards for 2 years, $25 million.

Words cannot explain how ridiculous the San Francisco front office is for not getting that sort of deal done. EXACTLY the type of player needed, EXACTLY the type of deal desired. Holy hell.

tarcone · 12-22-2011, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

Beltran to the Cards for 2 years, $25 million.

Words cannot explain how ridiculous the San Francisco front office is for not getting that sort of deal done. EXACTLY the type of player needed, EXACTLY the type of deal desired. Holy hell.

YES!!!!!

This team may be better then last seasons.

MizzouRah · 12-22-2011, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

YES!!!!!

This team may be better then last seasons.

I'm very excited!

Arles · 12-22-2011, 09:50 PM

All in all, trading Pujols for Beltran and Wainwright doesn't seem half bad overall. Add in that it's only a 2-year deal for Carlos and it's a nice recovery for the Cards.

Subby · 12-22-2011, 10:45 PM

All you need to know about the Nats-A's deal is that Bowden loves it for the Nats.

Seriously - DO NOT TRADE WITH BILLY BEANE. Didn't they watch the movie?

Fonzie · 12-22-2011, 10:46 PM

I worry about Beltran's knees, but if we can get 140 games a year out of him this'll be a great deal. Overall I'm a happy Fonzie.

Arles · 12-22-2011, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Fonzie

I worry about Beltran's knees, but if we can get 140 games a year out of him this'll be a great deal. Overall I'm a happy Fonzie.

Hence the 2-year comment. If we signed him for 4, I'd be terrified.

tarcone · 12-22-2011, 11:46 PM

Im not sure what Mathenys sub plan will be, but with Craig, Jay, Berkman, Holliday and Beltran, I imagine 140 games may be the max he would get.

The Cards are looking at Coco Crisp also. Our OF will be strong this season.

ISiddiqui · 12-23-2011, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Subby

All you need to know about the Nats-A's deal is that Bowden loves it for the Nats.

Seriously - DO NOT TRADE WITH BILLY BEANE. Didn't they watch the movie?

Seriously. Peacock, himself, may be as good as Gonzalez in a year, if not sooner.

MizzouRah · 12-23-2011, 12:14 AM

If we can get 140 games, 22 homers and 84 rbi's out of Beltran, it's a steal.

RedKingGold · 12-23-2011, 12:21 AM

Gonzalez is the trivia answer to, probably, the worst trade Pat Gillick ever made as GM of the Phillies (Gonzalez & Gavin Floyd for six weeks of Freddie Garcia).

I still hate the White Sox over selling us that bag of balls.

stevew · 12-23-2011, 12:23 AM

As a fan, it kind of pisses me off that the Pirates are sitting at 47M in payroll. They could easily afford to go up to a 85M payroll and pay market price for Fielder and Edwin Jackson. But they obviously won't, not that Prince would come anyways. It's just depressing.

Logan · 12-23-2011, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

If we can get 140 games, 22 homers and 84 rbi's out of Beltran, it's a steal.

I'll take the under on that game total. Don't disagree with the signing though. Happy the Mets got Wheeler for him.

TRO · 12-23-2011, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by lungs

As bad as Yuni is as a starter, I don't think he'd be a bad utility man

Well, except for the fact that you want your utility player to be able to play defense?

The real fear is that somehow he manages to "earn" the 2B job.

I'm not irate over the deal, but I'm not jumping up for joy either.

sterlingice · 12-23-2011, 09:12 AM

Yeah, in a bit of a cathartic rant about him to a non-baseball fan, I mentioned the following:

"The goal is to play him as a backup at 2B, SS, and 3B. Two of the qualities these positions have in common is that the Royals have young players they need to evaulate slated to start at all three next year and Yuniesky Betancourt can field none of them well, or, more to the point- he actually plays them all poorly. "

SI

Scarecrow · 12-23-2011, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Yeah, in a bit of a cathartic rant about him to a non-baseball fan, I mentioned the following:

"The goal is to play him as a backup at 2B, SS, and 3B. Two of the qualities these positions have in common is that the Royals have young players they need to evaulate slated to start at all three next year and Yuniesky Betancourt can field none of them well, or, more to the point- he actually plays them all poorly. "

SI

I was initially in the WTF camp on Yuni, but Nick Bukaty put it in prespective: "In 2009, Yuni was on the team as the #3 or 4 player. In 2012, Yuni is on the team as the #25 player. Kinda says something about the 2012 Royals."

cuervo72 · 12-23-2011, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scarecrow

I was initially in the WTF camp on Yuni, but Nick Bukaty put it in prespective: "In 2009, Yuni was on the team as the #3 or 4 player. In 2012, Yuni is on the team as the #25 player. Kinda says something about the 2012 Royals."

Sure, but what is Nick Bakay's perspective???

sterlingice · 12-23-2011, 11:21 AM

My favorite position for Yuni would have been "Left Out" -_-

SI

stevew · 12-23-2011, 11:29 AM

I like the Gio trade for the Nats. It makes them the best 4th place team we've seen in awhile.

GoldenEagle · 12-23-2011, 11:30 AM

The Cards still have roughly $12M left to improve the team. I assuming another SP will be added. I am not sure if they will retain Jackson or make a run at signing someone like Paul Maholm. Roy Oswalt would be a good pickup, but that would probably take most of the $12M and we still need to add a decent 2B option.

stevew · 12-23-2011, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice

My favorite position for Yuni would have been "Left Out" -_-

SI

Yuni and Kirk Cameron should make a Christian themed sports based rapture themed movie called "Left Out". The rest of the team goes to the promised land, and Yuni, the sinner, is stuck picking up the pieces.

12-20-2011, 02:38 PM	#1001
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	If they didn't at least top the Red Sox offer for Dice-K, they knew they had no chance. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

12-20-2011, 02:40 PM	#1002
Senator FOFC's Elected Representative Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The stars at night; are big and bright	This is exciting news. But tempered... very tempered. __________________ "i have seen chris simms play 4-5 times in the pros and he's very clearly got it. he won't make a pro bowl this year, but it'll come. if you don't like me saying that, so be it, but its true. we'll just have to wait until then" imettrentgreen "looking at only ten games, and oddly using a median only, leaves me unmoved generally" - Quiksand

12-20-2011, 08:30 PM	#1006
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	FOR 2 MILLION DOLLARS (plus options)?!? Batter Nine, You Sucky! SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!" Last edited by sterlingice : 12-20-2011 at 08:40 PM.

12-21-2011, 01:10 AM	#1009
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Toronto lost a blind bid. It's not as if they knew and all indications are that they came very, bery close. I'm comfortable with their effort and unless you are Yankees, Red Sox or Marlins (ha) fan, we have more titles than you since 1993. Sucks, but the Blue Jays are (slowly) on the rise again. Rogers has deep pockets, It's not if it's when...and its a heavy price to pay when the precedent is that Japanese hurlers don't hack it. Also, if the guy decides he wants no part of Dallas...it's all for naught. Toronto would've been the best locale for him culturally. But that's all water under the bridge now. __________________ Current dynasty: OOTP25 Blitz: RTS meets Moneyball \| OOTP Mod: GM Excel Competitive Balance Tax/Revenue Sharing Calc \| FBCB Mods on Github

12-21-2011, 06:21 PM	#1015
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	He won't be on a cultural island with the Rangers. They do have Yoshinori Tateyama and Koji Uehara on the roster, and Colby Lewis played a couple of years in Japan. Plus on the pitching front there is a guy in the front office by the name of Nolan Ryan. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

12-20-2011, 02:42 PM	#1003
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Why do people not like the Jays, what did they ever do?

12-20-2011, 07:31 PM	#1004
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Someone talk SI down from the ledge. Oh-say-can-Yuneski?

12-20-2011, 08:24 PM	#1005
lungs Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Prairie du Sac, WI	As bad as Yuni is as a starter, I don't think he'd be a bad utility man

12-21-2011, 06:42 PM	#1017
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Buster_ESPN Buster Olney Educated guess: The bidding on Yu Darvish was not close. Nobody, including Toronto, was within country miles of the Rangers' $51.7m bid.

12-22-2011, 09:52 AM	#1018
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Word is Sean Marshall (the annual winner of Cubs Most Terrifying Looking Face) to Reds for Travis Wood & 2 minor leaguers.

12-22-2011, 11:03 AM	#1020
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Well they sense some weakness (obviously). With Latos and Marshall it looks like they can make a decent run. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

12-22-2011, 12:51 PM	#1021
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Awesome! HunterFelt Hunter Felt Josh Beckett: '03 "Appetite for Destruction" '07 "Use Your Illusion" '11 "The Spaghetti Incident" __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

12-22-2011, 01:14 PM	#1022
lungs Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Prairie du Sac, WI	Just a rough prognostication for the NL Central right now, but I'd put the Reds, Brewers and Cardinals at +-10 wins of 85. I know, really going out on a limb. But luck, injuries and all that stuff considered, 10 wins seems to be how teams can swing. I'd put Pirates and Cubs at +-10 wins of 75 and the Astros at +-10 of 65. Since I'm a Brewer fan, my obnoxious fan prediction is Brewers 95 wins, Reds 85, Cardinals 75. Unless the Reds fans on here start getting obnoxious proclaiming themselves the clear frontrunners, then you can reverse the Reds and Cardinals. The FOFC Cardinals contingent are too agreeable for me to blindly hate them on here

12-22-2011, 04:37 PM	#1023
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	The Athletics will trade Gio Gonzalez to the Nationals in a deal that further depletes Oakland's pitching staff and adds to Washington's potentially dominant rotation. The deal sends four young players, including three of the Nationals' top ten prospects, to the Bay Area: right-handers A.J. Cole and Brad Peacock, left-hander Tom Milone and catcher Derek Norris. ESPN.com's Keith Law broke the news on Twitter. Never been a Gio fan, very glad the Tigs refused to meet this price.

12-22-2011, 05:23 PM	#1024
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	LoMo just tweeted Prince to Mariners... __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

12-22-2011, 05:35 PM	#1025
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	Glad the Sox are being shut out. Prepare to miss the playoffs again and for the circus!

12-22-2011, 05:38 PM	#1026
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	No way Sox could have matched the Nats offer without completely gutting the system. Like, 4 of our top 7 prospects? __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

12-22-2011, 09:04 PM	#1030
Vince, Pt. II Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Somewhere More Familiar	Beltran to the Cards for 2 years, $25 million. Words cannot explain how ridiculous the San Francisco front office is for not getting that sort of deal done. EXACTLY the type of player needed, EXACTLY the type of deal desired. Holy hell.

12-22-2011, 09:50 PM	#1033
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	All in all, trading Pujols for Beltran and Wainwright doesn't seem half bad overall. Add in that it's only a 2-year deal for Carlos and it's a nice recovery for the Cards. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

12-22-2011, 10:45 PM	#1034
Subby lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: sans pants	All you need to know about the Nats-A's deal is that Bowden loves it for the Nats. Seriously - DO NOT TRADE WITH BILLY BEANE. Didn't they watch the movie? __________________ Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com

12-22-2011, 10:46 PM	#1035
Fonzie Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Illinois	I worry about Beltran's knees, but if we can get 140 games a year out of him this'll be a great deal. Overall I'm a happy Fonzie.

12-22-2011, 11:46 PM	#1037
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	Im not sure what Mathenys sub plan will be, but with Craig, Jay, Berkman, Holliday and Beltran, I imagine 140 games may be the max he would get. The Cards are looking at Coco Crisp also. Our OF will be strong this season.

12-23-2011, 12:14 AM	#1039
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	If we can get 140 games, 22 homers and 84 rbi's out of Beltran, it's a steal.

12-23-2011, 12:21 AM	#1040
RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	Gonzalez is the trivia answer to, probably, the worst trade Pat Gillick ever made as GM of the Phillies (Gonzalez & Gavin Floyd for six weeks of Freddie Garcia). I still hate the White Sox over selling us that bag of balls.

12-23-2011, 12:23 AM	#1041
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	As a fan, it kind of pisses me off that the Pirates are sitting at 47M in payroll. They could easily afford to go up to a 85M payroll and pay market price for Fielder and Edwin Jackson. But they obviously won't, not that Prince would come anyways. It's just depressing.

12-23-2011, 09:12 AM	#1044
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Yeah, in a bit of a cathartic rant about him to a non-baseball fan, I mentioned the following: "The goal is to play him as a backup at 2B, SS, and 3B. Two of the qualities these positions have in common is that the Royals have young players they need to evaulate slated to start at all three next year and Yuniesky Betancourt can field none of them well, or, more to the point- he actually plays them all poorly. " SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

12-23-2011, 11:21 AM	#1047
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	My favorite position for Yuni would have been "Left Out" -_- SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!" Last edited by sterlingice : 12-23-2011 at 11:21 AM.

12-23-2011, 11:29 AM	#1048
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I like the Gio trade for the Nats. It makes them the best 4th place team we've seen in awhile.

12-23-2011, 11:30 AM	#1049
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	The Cards still have roughly $12M left to improve the team. I assuming another SP will be added. I am not sure if they will retain Jackson or make a run at signing someone like Paul Maholm. Roy Oswalt would be a good pickup, but that would probably take most of the $12M and we still need to add a decent 2B option. __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

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