COVID-19 - Wuhan Coronavirus (a non-political thread, see pg. 36 #1778)

[QuikSand]

I agree that this is where "we" are, for better or for worse. Cases at one point was a number that really moved a lot of people, but not any longer.

[sterlingice]

Texas figured out how to deal with this a while ago. They did a lot of "if I don't see them, there aren't any cases" type number reporting last year so this year there aren't any dashboards (maybe a handful).

SI

[albionmoonlight]

Never bet against American selfishness in the long term.

[Edward64]

Seems the UK may be our US canary warning system for the next wave.

Rising Covid-19 Cases in the UK may be a warning for the US | CNN

There are signs that the United Kingdom could be heading into a fall Covid-19 wave, and experts say the United States may not be far behind.

A recent increase in Covid-19 cases in England doesn’t seem to be driven by a new coronavirus variant, at least for now, although several are gaining strength in the US and across the pond.

“Generally, what happens in the UK is reflected about a month later in the US. I think this is what I’ve sort of been seeing,” said Dr. Tim Spector, professor of genetic epidemiology at Kings College London.
:
After seeing a downward trend for the past few weeks, the Zoe study saw a 30% increase in reported Covid-19 cases within the past week.

[QuikSand]

https://twitter.com/jamessurowiecki/...N6IiOSE6Zpmsxw

Interesting report and quick thread on “excess deaths” - unsurprising conclusions, though

[Lathum]

Just read that and was coming here to post same thing. Deep state conspiracy of course.

[flere-imsaho]

Important note from that twitter thread that might get buried:

A note on methodology: looking at excess deaths, rather than total deaths, mitigates the "GOP voters are older" issue. And the fact that there's no meaningful difference in excess rates during 2018 or even the first 7 months of the pandemic suggests that vaxxes made a difference.

I continue to come across people who question the point of getting a vaccine, especially if they've had COVID themselves.

[QuikSand]

The deniers are very comfortable wrapping up in "from covid or with covid?????" stuff and the like... giving them the freedom, I suppose, to do whatever they like. I have the misfortune to spend a good deal of time with people with those beliefs, and it comes up a lot... people with these urban legends like the one about a guy killed in a car crash but because he tested covid+ he gets tallied up as a covid death by some deep state liberal hospital employee, or whatever. (I have literally heard that story, recited as evidence, twice more than 100 miles and a month apart)

It's right back to the power of psychological influences. We mostly underestimate the powerful effect of wanting to keep believing something, once we decided we believe it.

[Ksyrup]

That story has been around for awhile. I swear it came out of an Orlando area report, although I have no clue whether it is credible or not.

There's a lot of overlap with election integrity where false information or conspiracy theories that are about supposed widespread issues are buttressed by isolated incidents backing up those claims.

[QuikSand]

I am genuinely fascinated by the psychology of all this, as I have gushed here from time to time.

I know that I have a professional reputation as "a serious person" so when I'm in a meeting with people who, in less formal settings, might talk super-dismissively about COVID or masking or vaccines -- with me, they prop up some semblance of thoughtful consideration. It's the "I did my own research" angle, but on a different note. That's where these stories, illustrations, anecdotes and so forth seem to come in handy... on a certain level, especially to someone who really wants to believe Side A. If the story is ludicrously paper thin, it doesn't seem to matter.

-I start by wanting to oppose all the policy things related to COVID
-I heard that a car crash guy got counted as a COVID death
-That's obviously preposterous
-Therefore the numbers on COVID deaths are fiction
-I also got it myself and I was fine after a couple of days of sniffles
-Therefore COVID isn't a big deal to anyone
-Therefore I oppose all the policy things related to COVID

That seems to be a license to just stop thinking about the topic, to many.

[sterlingice]

I think this also a close neighbor of what we were talking about in another thread, a Tweet that said:

I love this style of argument: Start with an extremely questionable premise ("The high five is a gesture of familiarity, which should be shared between equals") and then discuss it at great length without offering any evidence that the premise is correct.

Only, it's not "no evidence", it's two really flimsy pieces of evidence: an apocryphal story and a single sample size anecdote.

SI

[Ksyrup]

Actually, in that specific instance, it's simply an overly-generalized supposition followed by an opinion.

How many of us have high-fived a stranger? I just did it a couple of weeks ago at a football game. It can be a gesture of familiarity, but it doesn't have to be. And "should be shared by equals" is just his opinion.

[Kodos]

I guess Joe Elliott and I are buds because I high-fived him at a concert in Cincinnati back in 1996 or so.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Actually, in that specific instance, it's simply an overly-generalized supposition followed by an opinion.

How many of us have high-fived a stranger? I just did it a couple of weeks ago at a football game. It can be a gesture of familiarity, but it doesn't have to be. And "should be shared by equals" is just his opinion.

I did it at a bar Sunday watching the Giants game with a bunch of strangers. Is it acceptable to high 5 a child if you are drunk or do you both need to be drunk?

[Ksyrup]

If you're drunk and he's not, that could put you on the same level to make a high five acceptable if you're drunk enough.

[sterlingice]

Hey, remember monkey pox? Someone at work mentioned it in passing today and I looked up the current trends. It basically peaked in August and has gone down since.

U.S. Monkeypox Case Trends Reported to CDC | Monkeypox | Poxvirus | CDC

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[Edward64]

Ultimately, I think this is the right call. We know what will happen if Moderna gives up the IP.

Moderna refuses COVID vaccine to China over intellectual property rights – The China Project

A deal between Moderna and China has fallen through, after the Massachusetts-based pharmaceutical company refused to hand over the intellectual property (IP) rights for its COVID-19 vaccine, the Financial Times reported.

Moderna, which has fiercely guarded its intellectual property around the world, denied Beijing’s request to hand over the recipe to develop its mRNA vaccine allegedly because of “commercial and safety concerns,” and also because of “possible reputation risks” if its partner in China failed to correctly manufacture the shot.

The technology behind Moderna’s mRNA vaccine, along with the similar Pfizer-BioNTech shot co-developed by German and American pharmaceutical companies, provides more effective protection against the virus than the inactivated vaccines made by Chinese firms.

The company had “given up” on previous efforts to enter the Chinese market because of Beijing’s demand to relinquish its technology, but the vaccine maker said it is still “eager” to sell the product to China.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

I am genuinely fascinated by the psychology of all this, as I have gushed here from time to time.

I know that I have a professional reputation as "a serious person" so when I'm in a meeting with people who, in less formal settings, might talk super-dismissively about COVID or masking or vaccines -- with me, they prop up some semblance of thoughtful consideration. It's the "I did my own research" angle, but on a different note. That's where these stories, illustrations, anecdotes and so forth seem to come in handy... on a certain level, especially to someone who really wants to believe Side A. If the story is ludicrously paper thin, it doesn't seem to matter.

-I start by wanting to oppose all the policy things related to COVID
-I heard that a car crash guy got counted as a COVID death
-That's obviously preposterous
-Therefore the numbers on COVID deaths are fiction
-I also got it myself and I was fine after a couple of days of sniffles
-Therefore COVID isn't a big deal to anyone
-Therefore I oppose all the policy things related to COVID

That seems to be a license to just stop thinking about the topic, to many.

Recommend Off The Edge, by Kelly Weill. Lots and lots of historical echos from the flat earth history to today.

[QuikSand]

Meanwhile, derision. I get it.

The last of the Covidians - The Spectator World

[Ksyrup]

It seems perfect that the free part of the article fades out right at "holy saint fauci" because that's where I would have stopped reading anyway.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Ultimately, I think this is the right call. We know what will happen if Moderna gives up the IP.

Moderna refuses COVID vaccine to China over intellectual property rights – The China Project

we do?

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Meanwhile, derision. I get it.

The last of the Covidians - The Spectator World

It’s probably good that is locked behind a paywall for me, because I’m guessing that was going to make me unreasonably angry. The level of selfishness and lack of awareness to realize that there are still people out there for whom COVID could well be a death sentence for themselves or a loved one… yeah. I’ll go on with my day.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

we do?

We don't?

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

It seems perfect that the free part of the article fades out right at "holy saint fauci" because that's where I would have stopped reading anyway.

It spends a lot of time saying the pandemic deniers "were right all along" while taking cheap shots at anyone who thought that a global pandemic that killed millions was serious like the aforementioned Holy Saint Fauci and tying in a bunch of right wing talking points about police violence and how the President is never right. Then it tries to pretend the situation now is the same as it's always been throughout the pandemic. It's lazy, sloppy grievance porn with a lot of caustic doublespeak.

The real kindness here is to tell people who aren’t at rare, unique, and specific risk to Covid that they look utterly ridiculous when they continue these absurd precautions that didn’t work in the first place. It’s like wearing a T-shirt that says, “don’t take anything I say seriously.”

If we were all in it together when it was time to shut off the lights and huddle in our houses to fight the virus, then we must all be in it together as we emerge from our lockdown nightmare. It’s time to take the mask off your face or face the fact that you look like a fool. And it is nobody else’s job to pretend that you don’t.

Those are the last two paragraphs, the doublespeak conclusion:

• It's stupid to have actual concerns with the virus now and in the past
• It's some kind of warped kindness to tell people they are stupid

And that last paragraph is typical 2020s misinformation and gaslighting: Remember the early days of the pandemic when we had people trying to take over the Michigan statehouse and none of us were wearing masks, people were getting in fights in stores because they didn't want to wear masks, and we championed the governors and other politicians who ignored what was going on all at the top of our lungs? None of that happened! We all huddled weakly in darkness at home - we're going to simultaneously make your demands sound as absurdly extreme as possible while also pretending we went along with them, which we totally did not. But it makes us sound more reasonable when we try to pretend to tell you to "meet us halfway" now, our halfway being to call you a fool and encourage everyone else to do the same.

All I can think is that it's some kind of warped satire about how there were legit think pieces on the left for liberals trying to figure out how to reconcile the cognitive dissonance of "I believe people are inherently good and will work together" crashed into the selfish, self-destructive behavior they were seeing all around. But I don't think the author is nearly that gifted and the point didn't land. Or he could just be an old man, in age and/or spirit, angrily yelling at the cloud about just how persecuted he wasn't.



SI

[albionmoonlight]

Yeah. For two weeks in 2020, a guy had to get takeout from Fuddruckers instead of getting to sit at the bar, and he is still talking about it like he fought at Verdun. Annoying as hell.

The other lie that MAGA takes for granted is that liberals/moderates wanted lockdowns, masking, etc.

No! Of course not! Who wants those things? It is like saying that someone wants chemo when they have cancer. No! Of course not! Chemo sucks! But you make the mature choice to do it in order to prevent more serious problems.

[QuikSand]

The deployment of "the person wearing a mask alone in a car" is a special sort of device. I'm sure there's a proper in-Latin name for the fallacy...but you plant the flag with an everyone-agrees-that's-dumb example, but that person isn't your real target. It's a persuasion technique to find the first bit of agreement, however small, and to build up from there.

If you can get the reader nodding her head at the masked idiot in the car alone, it's a lot simpler to transfer that agreement to also mocking me - the guy who sporadically goes to the store, but wears a mask in doing so, and is still/again generally deliberately standoffish when out in public, which is a good deal less than it once was.

You can't effectively start your point by making fun of me, because you lose too many people. You start with the obvious strawman, and quietly peel away the difference between that absurd example and the more sympathetic one who is your real target.

This guy is, I'm sure, really proud of the writing he's doing on this subject. He also likely believes in the whole "pearly gate" setup as he approaches the afterlife... if that's true, I'd like him to gather some independent accounting that his efforts during the pandemic were ultimately responsible for 31.3 extra deaths among like-minded readers/followers, or somesuch.

[whomario]

Floridas Surgeon General now replicating the full Antivaxx playbook, using his office to order flimsy 'analysis' to 'show' dangers of vaccines and basing official state health department recommendations to not administer them on this. No review process and not even any indication of authorship. Just the SG using an anonymous piece of jumbled up science on the department server while ignoring even the authors (whoever they may be) stated limitations and warnings re: Interpretation, which they likely included to cover their ass should their names become public and they might want to work somewhere that is not under Ladapo.

It's not surprising (i think i posted about him and his views even pre covid before) but should still make people pause. Even Antivaxxers should consider that he or others could do the same to prevent, say, cancer screenings to cut costs. Then again, i guess they don't care considering the sheer overlap between antivaxx/'vaccine-sceptic' and other fringe positions (that example about cancer screenings actually is taken from a particular 'sceptical of theese vaccines' bubble spearheaded by the Great Barrington crowd who are all intertwined with Death Santis).

Aside from various other methodological issues it flat out excluded ... Deaths from Covid. And thus isolate the excess deaths due to heart issues they attribute to the vaccines by pretty much pretending people get the vaccine to get the vaccine. Not to prevent harm from COVID-19 (if you use the same data pool and reasonable assumptions from other studies you end up with 9 extra cardiac deaths vs 315 prevented COVID-19 deaths within the same timeframe for the same group of people under 40. Not so scary taking a vaccine anymore, is it?). Not including COVID-19 status here also confounds results since COVID-19 is known to affect the heart in some. In summary, as the reviewer below says, this stinks of p-hacking (massaging existing data until you get a result that at least kinda sorta supports your preconceived result).
Funny thing: their data also shows a reduction of all-cause death, even when excluding COVID-19 as they did. So, why isn't that Ladapos lead i wonder. Might he maybe not actually care about wether or not the vaccines are helping his constituents? Hmm...

Florida just announced the results of an analysis that they performed, saying the results show "an increased risk of cardiac-related death among men 18-39" for the mRNA vaccines, and recommend this group not receive these vaccines.

Is this justified? Let's look at the data... pic.twitter.com/hfHrg6CMNb

— Kristen Panthagani, MD, PhD (@kmpanthagani) October 9, 2022

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

we do?

Speaking as someone who works in the industry: yes, we do.

[Edward64]

From 3/2

Originally Posted by Edward64

Last post was 2/3, so the below stats are 1 month later. The previous months run rate was +1.5%. Looks like this month its +.9%.

> 12 is at 73.5% up from 72.6%.

At least one dose ...

> 12 is at 86.1% up from 85.2%.

Now on 10/10

The CDC COVID Data Tracker shows

> 12 is at 76.3% (2 shots)
> 12 is at 88.9% (at least 1 dose)

It also has stats for 1st & 2nd booster. Nothing yet for the 3rd booster.

The charts/stats show 7 day moving is down for Deaths, Cases, Hospitalizations.

But I know UK has an uptick.

[Edward64]

Good & timely article.

Biden administration scrambling to get more people boosted before winter - POLITICO

By the end of last week, the administration expected between 13 and 15 million people out of 283.4 million Americans aged 12 and up will have opted to get the updated Moderna or Pfizer jab ahead of what officials warn could be another deadly Covid winter.

That’s just five percent of the eligible population — a sign of the stark challenge facing a Biden administration that has positioned October as a make-or-break month for the overall success of its booster campaign.

Sounds about right, me included. Unless there is a significant spike in hospitalizations & deaths, most won't pay attention. Another article somewhere said UK is experiencing a spike and what happens there will probably happen here. So definitely get ready to do mass vaccinations if needed, but otherwise maybe focus on the most vulnerable groups now.

But ahead of the critical stretch, doctors and advocates said people are burned out, tuned out and don’t understand why they need another booster. And even some administration officials privately acknowledge there’s little internal expectation they’ll see an explosion of interest.

Get a Change Management campaign going. Hire a good/different consultancy to lead the efforts. Whoever we have right now is worthless.

said many people involved in the effort — from doctors like him to officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention who recommended the booster to Americans — didn’t grasp what it would take to get people to pay attention.

“After they make the car, they have to sell it,” Schaffner said. “The CDC has a manufacturing capacity for [vaccine] recommendations, but it has no marketing capacity. They underestimate how much work it takes to get the word out.”

We shall see. I'll gauge one prediction of success if # of get vaccinated ads come close or exceed # of ED ads/messages on TV, periodicals, websites etc.

In coming weeks, the administration plans to work with medical societies and other “trusted messengers” to get the word out to more Americans and launch media campaigns to reach long-term care facilities where vaccination rates are low as well as people skeptical of the Covid vaccines.

I like the idea of doing it at NASCAR but it's worthless unless you get the top drivers to buy in and be advocates. Article didn't mention any of that. If they are depending on "Healthy Trucking of America" to convince NASCAR fans to get vaccinated ... this is the problem.

To reach more rural Americans, HHS is working with Healthy Trucking of America, a non-profit that promotes long-haul truckers’ health, to host a pop-up vaccine clinic at the Talladega Superspeedway in Alabama over the weekend. And in November, the pair plan to host another vaccine clinic at the NASCAR Cup Series Championship in Phoenix.

I think this is a cop out. If WH really thought this is important enough, they will find a way to fund it even with Congressional inaction.

“It is obviously harder to run a campaign when Congress decides not to fund it,” White House Covid-19 Response Coordinator Ashish Jha said during a briefing on Friday. “Our media campaign, our campaign with community-based organizations — all of that is going to be more limited because of congressional inaction.”

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I think this is a cop out. If WH really thought this is important enough, they will find a way to fund it even with Congressional inaction.

But whenever the Administration tries to do anything without full Congressional buy in, people jump up and down about executive overreach and eleventy-billion interest groups file lawsuits trying to enjoin the action.

We can't have it both ways. Either we want an executive that defers to Congress on matters of spending. Or we want an executive that "will find a way." But we can't really have both.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

But whenever the Administration tries to do anything without full Congressional buy in, people jump up and down about executive overreach and eleventy-billion interest groups file lawsuits trying to enjoin the action.

We can't have it both ways. Either we want an executive that defers to Congress on matters of spending. Or we want an executive that "will find a way." But we can't really have both.

Sure we can have it both ways. It's been happening under Dem/GOP Administrations for a while now. Presidential Executive Orders is a way to bypass Congress one way or another.

Executive Orders | The American Presidency Project

It's true that Congress controls spending but Presidents have found a way to fund their pet project through contingency/related budgets. People (of the other party) may complain, but think this is a "normal" option if Presidents want to pay the political price.

Fact check: Presidential spending through executive order is allowed

The claim that a president cannot spend taxpayer dollars by executive order is MISSING CONTEXT. It's true that the Constitution gives Congress the power of the purse, meaning the president cannot spend money without Congress appropriating it. But there are scenarios in which executive orders could be used to disperse funds, particularly from contingency funds. And Congress has given the president latitude to "shift things around."

[QuikSand]

Thoughtful piece on COVID and Long COVID from a good writer, though a confessed non-expert:

https://fallows.substack.com/p/dont-get-covid

[Ksyrup]

There's been a ton of stuff on my Twitter feed about a Pfizer executive admitting in an EU Covid hearing that the vaccines were never tested to determine whether they stopped the spread and this is being used to show that we were all duped into getting a vaccine that did nothing but line Big Pharma pockets and allow the government to control us because the "get vaccinated for others" mantra was a lie (or at best, unknown).

Now, that definitely was part of the selling point, but it seems to me that what also goes hand-in-hand with this is effectiveness in preventing Covid or limiting severe Covid. And if I don't get it, then I can't spread it.

Not exactly sure what I think of this development fully, if it's in fact true, but the over-reactions are expected.

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Not exactly sure what I think of this development fully, if it's in fact true, but the over-reactions are expected.

Have seen much the same chatter, and am in much the same place.

[Edward64]

I had read the latest 3rd booster was not really "tested" in human trials, and that scientists didn't think it needed to be for whatever reason (e.g. does annual flu shot need to be tested).

If referring to the 3rd booster, it's not a surprise and don't think it was being kept a secret. I read about this 2-3 months ago.

[Ksyrup]

No, I believe this goes back to the original vaccine. The commentary was that they were "working at the speed of science" and understood the importance of getting something out to the public ASAP.

[Ksyrup]

Here's the video widely making rounds:

�� BREAKING:

In COVID hearing, #Pfizer director admits: #vaccine was never tested on preventing transmission.

"Get vaccinated for others" was always a lie.

The only purpose of the #COVID passport: forcing people to get vaccinated.

The world needs to know. Share this video! ⤵️ pic.twitter.com/su1WqgB4dO

— Rob Roos MEP ���� (@Rob_Roos) October 11, 2022

[Edward64]

Eh, a nothing burger. He's an idiot.

Below was published Dec 30, 2020 before (if I remember correctly) it was widely available to the public. It shows Moderna (at least wasn't trying to hide it).

Peer-reviewed report on Moderna COVID-19 vaccine publishes | National Institutes of Health (NIH)

Although mRNA-1273 is highly efficacious in preventing symptomatic COVID-19, there is not yet enough available data to draw conclusions as to whether the vaccine can impact SARS-CoV-2 transmission. Preliminary trial data suggests there may be some degree of prevention of asymptomatic infection after a single dose. Additional analyses are underway of the incidence of asymptomatic infection and viral shedding post-infection to understand the vaccine’s impact on infectiousness.

Below is from July 2021.

ScienceDirect

SARS-CoV-2 vaccine trials did not directly estimate vaccine efficacy against transmission.
:
Randomized controlled trials (RCTs) have shown high efficacy of multiple vaccines against SARS-CoV-2 disease (COVID-19) [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], and recent studies have shown the vaccines are also effective against infection [7], [8]. Evidence for the effect of each of these vaccines on ability to transmit the virus is also beginning to emerge [9], [10], [11].

[flere-imsaho]

The clinical trial protocols and data are all right there on clinicaltrials.gov. This is like denying that rain comes from the sky.

As for the boosters, IIRC, they just did safety trials, which is basically what they do for flu vaccines, and honestly a lot of other medicines that are incrementally updated. Safety trials are a lot shorter than efficacy ones.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Edward64

China is still doing lockdowns with their zero Covid policies. Still require quarantines etc. I had thought they were going to give it up after the Olympics but obviously not. I've also read possibility to proclaiming a win and giving up zero Covid policy after Xi is re-elected for third term, but who knows. I would like to visit China again also.

I'm very surprised he's so uncompromising even after getting his 3rd term. But it hurts China economically so not going to complain (other than it doesn't look like China will reopen up widely for tourism). Wish I had visited Xian when I had the chance.

Xi Jinping's Party Congress speech: yes to zero-Covid, no to market reforms? | CNN Business

In his speech Sunday, Xi struck a confident tone, highlighting China’s growing strength and rising influence under his first decade in power. He also repeatedly underscored the risks and challenges the country faces, including the Covid pandemic, Hong Kong and Taiwan — all of which he claimed China had come away from victorious.

But experts are concerned that Xi offered no signs of moving away from the country’s rigid zero-Covid policy or its tight regulatory stance on various businesses, both of which have hampered growth in the world’s second-largest economy.

[Solecismic]

Apparently, researchers at Boston University have combined the original COVID with Omicron and created a strain that kills about 80% of their mice.

Yay! No problem at all with having this around. Perfectly safe.

I'm nervous now about the boosters. My wife just had numbness in her hands and feet for a week immediately following one - after talking to her doctor, monitored it very closely. If it got any worse, we were to check into a hospital immediately for treatment of Guillain-Barre. Which scared the hell out of us. Fortunately, it went away. It's a rare reaction to the vaccine, but it happens.

[Flasch186]

I work with a girl that cited Floridas attorney general as the opinion she’s leaning on to not get a booster

I smiled and said the CDC feels differently…

Then it boiled down to anyone can find a source to support their cause and we left it at that.


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[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

Apparently, researchers at Boston University have combined the original COVID with Omicron and created a strain that kills about 80% of their mice.

Yay! No problem at all with having this around. Perfectly safe.

I saw that article and my initial thought was WTF, why are they doing this? But then, I'm pretty sure they're doing it to learn from it and develop better vaccines (and yeah, maybe weaponize it but don't think that was primary objective). Like you say, the key is to make sure it's in Level X containment and never gets to see the light of the day.

And then I wondered, how did this news leak. You'd think it would be hush hush.

[flere-imsaho]

I'm getting my booster and my flu shot on Friday at 5:00 PM. If I haven't posted by Monday it's because I'm still asleep.

[Edward64]

Thanks for the reminder. I should get my flu shot now.

(Going to wait till Dec for my 3rd booster)

[miami_fan]

This is semi related and completely anecdotal though I am curious if there is evidence one way or the other. There probably needs to be an adjustment to the ADA to allow for more handicapped parking spots businesses and other places of public accommodation are required to have. I feel like I am seeing an increase of people leaving their cars with oxygen tanks and bags specifically and disabled decals in general since COVID-19 became a thing. There were generally not enough parking spots available for those that need them before and the problem has worsened with those that are now disabled due to COVID.

[molson]

I haven't gotten the latest booster because I had COVID in late August (ending my undefeated streak), and I'm not going anywhere anytime soon. Is there a sweet spot to get the booster after COVID? I figure I'll double up with the flu vaccine shortly, unless I decide I should hold off and try to stretch out the COVID vaccine protections until after my own antibodies retreat.

I got through a 5-day Disney park excursion without getting COVID. A trip to Amsterdam finally did me in though. Almost no symptoms though, I thought I was just tired. Only tested because my girlfriend needed to to go back to work.

[sterlingice]

We got ours about a month ago because of travel. We're going to get our son his in about a month so he should be at max immunity after people come back from Thanksgiving through the inevitable surge in January and February.

SI

[cuervo72]

I got my booster along with a flu shot a couple weeks ago. My armpit hurt for a couple of days. That was it.