09-25-2022, 06:37 PM | #10651 |
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I agree that this is where "we" are, for better or for worse. Cases at one point was a number that really moved a lot of people, but not any longer.
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09-26-2022, 01:25 PM | #10652 |
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Texas figured out how to deal with this a while ago. They did a lot of "if I don't see them, there aren't any cases" type number reporting last year so this year there aren't any dashboards (maybe a handful).
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09-26-2022, 02:08 PM | #10653 |
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09-27-2022, 12:07 PM | #10654 | |
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Seems the UK may be our US canary warning system for the next wave.
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10-03-2022, 02:47 PM | #10655 |
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https://twitter.com/jamessurowiecki/...N6IiOSE6Zpmsxw
Interesting report and quick thread on “excess deaths” - unsurprising conclusions, though |
10-03-2022, 03:03 PM | #10656 |
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Just read that and was coming here to post same thing. Deep state conspiracy of course.
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10-04-2022, 07:50 AM | #10657 | |
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Important note from that twitter thread that might get buried:
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10-04-2022, 10:01 AM | #10658 |
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The deniers are very comfortable wrapping up in "from covid or with covid?????" stuff and the like... giving them the freedom, I suppose, to do whatever they like. I have the misfortune to spend a good deal of time with people with those beliefs, and it comes up a lot... people with these urban legends like the one about a guy killed in a car crash but because he tested covid+ he gets tallied up as a covid death by some deep state liberal hospital employee, or whatever. (I have literally heard that story, recited as evidence, twice more than 100 miles and a month apart)
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10-04-2022, 10:18 AM | #10659 |
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That story has been around for awhile. I swear it came out of an Orlando area report, although I have no clue whether it is credible or not.
There's a lot of overlap with election integrity where false information or conspiracy theories that are about supposed widespread issues are buttressed by isolated incidents backing up those claims.
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10-04-2022, 11:25 AM | #10660 |
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I am genuinely fascinated by the psychology of all this, as I have gushed here from time to time.
I know that I have a professional reputation as "a serious person" so when I'm in a meeting with people who, in less formal settings, might talk super-dismissively about COVID or masking or vaccines -- with me, they prop up some semblance of thoughtful consideration. It's the "I did my own research" angle, but on a different note. That's where these stories, illustrations, anecdotes and so forth seem to come in handy... on a certain level, especially to someone who really wants to believe Side A. If the story is ludicrously paper thin, it doesn't seem to matter. -I start by wanting to oppose all the policy things related to COVID -I heard that a car crash guy got counted as a COVID death -That's obviously preposterous -Therefore the numbers on COVID deaths are fiction -I also got it myself and I was fine after a couple of days of sniffles -Therefore COVID isn't a big deal to anyone -Therefore I oppose all the policy things related to COVID That seems to be a license to just stop thinking about the topic, to many. |
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I think this also a close neighbor of what we were talking about in another thread, a Tweet that said:
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Actually, in that specific instance, it's simply an overly-generalized supposition followed by an opinion.
How many of us have high-fived a stranger? I just did it a couple of weeks ago at a football game. It can be a gesture of familiarity, but it doesn't have to be. And "should be shared by equals" is just his opinion.
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10-04-2022, 04:21 PM | #10663 |
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I guess Joe Elliott and I are buds because I high-fived him at a concert in Cincinnati back in 1996 or so.
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10-04-2022, 05:14 PM | #10665 |
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If you're drunk and he's not, that could put you on the same level to make a high five acceptable if you're drunk enough.
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10-05-2022, 09:19 AM | #10666 |
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Hey, remember monkey pox? Someone at work mentioned it in passing today and I looked up the current trends. It basically peaked in August and has gone down since.
U.S. Monkeypox Case Trends Reported to CDC | Monkeypox | Poxvirus | CDC SI
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10-05-2022, 12:57 PM | #10667 | |
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Ultimately, I think this is the right call. We know what will happen if Moderna gives up the IP.
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10-05-2022, 01:12 PM | #10668 | |
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10-08-2022, 08:36 AM | #10669 |
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10-08-2022, 09:24 AM | #10670 |
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It seems perfect that the free part of the article fades out right at "holy saint fauci" because that's where I would have stopped reading anyway.
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10-08-2022, 09:48 AM | #10672 | |
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It’s probably good that is locked behind a paywall for me, because I’m guessing that was going to make me unreasonably angry. The level of selfishness and lack of awareness to realize that there are still people out there for whom COVID could well be a death sentence for themselves or a loved one… yeah. I’ll go on with my day. |
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It spends a lot of time saying the pandemic deniers "were right all along" while taking cheap shots at anyone who thought that a global pandemic that killed millions was serious like the aforementioned Holy Saint Fauci and tying in a bunch of right wing talking points about police violence and how the President is never right. Then it tries to pretend the situation now is the same as it's always been throughout the pandemic. It's lazy, sloppy grievance porn with a lot of caustic doublespeak. Quote:
Those are the last two paragraphs, the doublespeak conclusion:
All I can think is that it's some kind of warped satire about how there were legit think pieces on the left for liberals trying to figure out how to reconcile the cognitive dissonance of "I believe people are inherently good and will work together" crashed into the selfish, self-destructive behavior they were seeing all around. But I don't think the author is nearly that gifted and the point didn't land. Or he could just be an old man, in age and/or spirit, angrily yelling at the cloud about just how persecuted he wasn't. SI
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10-08-2022, 11:31 AM | #10675 |
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Yeah. For two weeks in 2020, a guy had to get takeout from Fuddruckers instead of getting to sit at the bar, and he is still talking about it like he fought at Verdun. Annoying as hell.
The other lie that MAGA takes for granted is that liberals/moderates wanted lockdowns, masking, etc. No! Of course not! Who wants those things? It is like saying that someone wants chemo when they have cancer. No! Of course not! Chemo sucks! But you make the mature choice to do it in order to prevent more serious problems. |
10-08-2022, 12:22 PM | #10676 |
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The deployment of "the person wearing a mask alone in a car" is a special sort of device. I'm sure there's a proper in-Latin name for the fallacy...but you plant the flag with an everyone-agrees-that's-dumb example, but that person isn't your real target. It's a persuasion technique to find the first bit of agreement, however small, and to build up from there.
If you can get the reader nodding her head at the masked idiot in the car alone, it's a lot simpler to transfer that agreement to also mocking me - the guy who sporadically goes to the store, but wears a mask in doing so, and is still/again generally deliberately standoffish when out in public, which is a good deal less than it once was. You can't effectively start your point by making fun of me, because you lose too many people. You start with the obvious strawman, and quietly peel away the difference between that absurd example and the more sympathetic one who is your real target. This guy is, I'm sure, really proud of the writing he's doing on this subject. He also likely believes in the whole "pearly gate" setup as he approaches the afterlife... if that's true, I'd like him to gather some independent accounting that his efforts during the pandemic were ultimately responsible for 31.3 extra deaths among like-minded readers/followers, or somesuch. |
10-09-2022, 09:28 AM | #10677 |
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Floridas Surgeon General now replicating the full Antivaxx playbook, using his office to order flimsy 'analysis' to 'show' dangers of vaccines and basing official state health department recommendations to not administer them on this. No review process and not even any indication of authorship. Just the SG using an anonymous piece of jumbled up science on the department server while ignoring even the authors (whoever they may be) stated limitations and warnings re: Interpretation, which they likely included to cover their ass should their names become public and they might want to work somewhere that is not under Ladapo.
It's not surprising (i think i posted about him and his views even pre covid before) but should still make people pause. Even Antivaxxers should consider that he or others could do the same to prevent, say, cancer screenings to cut costs. Then again, i guess they don't care considering the sheer overlap between antivaxx/'vaccine-sceptic' and other fringe positions (that example about cancer screenings actually is taken from a particular 'sceptical of theese vaccines' bubble spearheaded by the Great Barrington crowd who are all intertwined with Death Santis). Aside from various other methodological issues it flat out excluded ... Deaths from Covid. And thus isolate the excess deaths due to heart issues they attribute to the vaccines by pretty much pretending people get the vaccine to get the vaccine. Not to prevent harm from COVID-19 (if you use the same data pool and reasonable assumptions from other studies you end up with 9 extra cardiac deaths vs 315 prevented COVID-19 deaths within the same timeframe for the same group of people under 40. Not so scary taking a vaccine anymore, is it?). Not including COVID-19 status here also confounds results since COVID-19 is known to affect the heart in some. In summary, as the reviewer below says, this stinks of p-hacking (massaging existing data until you get a result that at least kinda sorta supports your preconceived result). Funny thing: their data also shows a reduction of all-cause death, even when excluding COVID-19 as they did. So, why isn't that Ladapos lead i wonder. Might he maybe not actually care about wether or not the vaccines are helping his constituents? Hmm...
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10-10-2022, 10:50 PM | #10679 | |
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Now on 10/10 The CDC COVID Data Tracker shows > 12 is at 76.3% (2 shots) > 12 is at 88.9% (at least 1 dose) It also has stats for 1st & 2nd booster. Nothing yet for the 3rd booster. The charts/stats show 7 day moving is down for Deaths, Cases, Hospitalizations. But I know UK has an uptick. |
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Good & timely article.
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Sounds about right, me included. Unless there is a significant spike in hospitalizations & deaths, most won't pay attention. Another article somewhere said UK is experiencing a spike and what happens there will probably happen here. So definitely get ready to do mass vaccinations if needed, but otherwise maybe focus on the most vulnerable groups now. Quote:
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We shall see. I'll gauge one prediction of success if # of get vaccinated ads come close or exceed # of ED ads/messages on TV, periodicals, websites etc. Quote:
I like the idea of doing it at NASCAR but it's worthless unless you get the top drivers to buy in and be advocates. Article didn't mention any of that. If they are depending on "Healthy Trucking of America" to convince NASCAR fans to get vaccinated ... this is the problem. Quote:
I think this is a cop out. If WH really thought this is important enough, they will find a way to fund it even with Congressional inaction. Quote:
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But whenever the Administration tries to do anything without full Congressional buy in, people jump up and down about executive overreach and eleventy-billion interest groups file lawsuits trying to enjoin the action. We can't have it both ways. Either we want an executive that defers to Congress on matters of spending. Or we want an executive that "will find a way." But we can't really have both. |
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Sure we can have it both ways. It's been happening under Dem/GOP Administrations for a while now. Presidential Executive Orders is a way to bypass Congress one way or another. Executive Orders | The American Presidency Project It's true that Congress controls spending but Presidents have found a way to fund their pet project through contingency/related budgets. People (of the other party) may complain, but think this is a "normal" option if Presidents want to pay the political price. Fact check: Presidential spending through executive order is allowed Quote:
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10-13-2022, 03:50 PM | #10683 |
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Thoughtful piece on COVID and Long COVID from a good writer, though a confessed non-expert:
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10-13-2022, 04:02 PM | #10684 |
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There's been a ton of stuff on my Twitter feed about a Pfizer executive admitting in an EU Covid hearing that the vaccines were never tested to determine whether they stopped the spread and this is being used to show that we were all duped into getting a vaccine that did nothing but line Big Pharma pockets and allow the government to control us because the "get vaccinated for others" mantra was a lie (or at best, unknown).
Now, that definitely was part of the selling point, but it seems to me that what also goes hand-in-hand with this is effectiveness in preventing Covid or limiting severe Covid. And if I don't get it, then I can't spread it. Not exactly sure what I think of this development fully, if it's in fact true, but the over-reactions are expected.
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10-13-2022, 04:14 PM | #10685 |
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10-13-2022, 04:21 PM | #10686 |
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I had read the latest 3rd booster was not really "tested" in human trials, and that scientists didn't think it needed to be for whatever reason (e.g. does annual flu shot need to be tested).
If referring to the 3rd booster, it's not a surprise and don't think it was being kept a secret. I read about this 2-3 months ago. |
10-13-2022, 04:26 PM | #10687 |
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No, I believe this goes back to the original vaccine. The commentary was that they were "working at the speed of science" and understood the importance of getting something out to the public ASAP.
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10-13-2022, 04:27 PM | #10688 |
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Here's the video widely making rounds:
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Eh, a nothing burger. He's an idiot.
Below was published Dec 30, 2020 before (if I remember correctly) it was widely available to the public. It shows Moderna (at least wasn't trying to hide it). Peer-reviewed report on Moderna COVID-19 vaccine publishes | National Institutes of Health (NIH) Quote:
Below is from July 2021. ScienceDirect Quote:
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10-13-2022, 08:36 PM | #10690 |
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The clinical trial protocols and data are all right there on clinicaltrials.gov. This is like denying that rain comes from the sky.
As for the boosters, IIRC, they just did safety trials, which is basically what they do for flu vaccines, and honestly a lot of other medicines that are incrementally updated. Safety trials are a lot shorter than efficacy ones. |
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Apparently, researchers at Boston University have combined the original COVID with Omicron and created a strain that kills about 80% of their mice.
Yay! No problem at all with having this around. Perfectly safe. I'm nervous now about the boosters. My wife just had numbness in her hands and feet for a week immediately following one - after talking to her doctor, monitored it very closely. If it got any worse, we were to check into a hospital immediately for treatment of Guillain-Barre. Which scared the hell out of us. Fortunately, it went away. It's a rare reaction to the vaccine, but it happens. |
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I work with a girl that cited Floridas attorney general as the opinion she’s leaning on to not get a booster
I smiled and said the CDC feels differently… Then it boiled down to anyone can find a source to support their cause and we left it at that. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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I saw that article and my initial thought was WTF, why are they doing this? But then, I'm pretty sure they're doing it to learn from it and develop better vaccines (and yeah, maybe weaponize it but don't think that was primary objective). Like you say, the key is to make sure it's in Level X containment and never gets to see the light of the day. And then I wondered, how did this news leak. You'd think it would be hush hush. |
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I'm getting my booster and my flu shot on Friday at 5:00 PM. If I haven't posted by Monday it's because I'm still asleep.
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10-18-2022, 08:47 AM | #10696 |
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Thanks for the reminder. I should get my flu shot now.
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This is semi related and completely anecdotal though I am curious if there is evidence one way or the other. There probably needs to be an adjustment to the ADA to allow for more handicapped parking spots businesses and other places of public accommodation are required to have. I feel like I am seeing an increase of people leaving their cars with oxygen tanks and bags specifically and disabled decals in general since COVID-19 became a thing. There were generally not enough parking spots available for those that need them before and the problem has worsened with those that are now disabled due to COVID.
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I haven't gotten the latest booster because I had COVID in late August (ending my undefeated streak), and I'm not going anywhere anytime soon. Is there a sweet spot to get the booster after COVID? I figure I'll double up with the flu vaccine shortly, unless I decide I should hold off and try to stretch out the COVID vaccine protections until after my own antibodies retreat.
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We got ours about a month ago because of travel. We're going to get our son his in about a month so he should be at max immunity after people come back from Thanksgiving through the inevitable surge in January and February.
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I got my booster along with a flu shot a couple weeks ago. My armpit hurt for a couple of days. That was it.
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