NFL 2019 Season Thread

[cuervo72]

I've now heard "signature win" from three different booths this weekend. It's not the NCAA, guys -- there are no polls. You don't need a "signature win" to get into the playoffs, you just need to win and/or have the tiebreakers according to a formula.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

I've now heard "signature win" from three different booths this weekend. It's not the NCAA, guys -- there are no polls. You don't need a "signature win" to get into the playoffs, you just need to win and/or have the tiebreakers according to a formula.

The argument I would make is if you are discussing an award so for example Wilson winning tonight could be a signature win for his mvp chances.

[MizzouRah]

That was a fun game to watch tonight.

[PilotMan]

Fucking piece of shit Browns.

[SirFozzie]

Garret should be suspended for the rest of the season. AT LEAST.

[thesloppy]

Slight, sliiiight discipline issues in CLE.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Garret should be suspended for the rest of the season. AT LEAST.

Pouncey too

[SirFozzie]

The ironic thing? This is Garrett's twitter bio:

"A hero is made by the path he chooses, not by the power he is graced with."

[jbergey22]

Baker really went after Garrett in that interview. Wonder how Garrett will respond to that? Not saying he was wrong its just not normal to hear in todays NFL.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Pouncey too

Well Pouncey just saw his QB get clubbed with a helmet. Im not so sure Id be too hard on him.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Garret should be suspended for the rest of the season. AT LEAST.

8 games easy

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Well Pouncey just saw his QB get clubbed with a helmet. Im not so sure Id be too hard on him.

Kicking a guy in the head while he's on the ground should be a minimum 5-6 games. Doesn't matter what upset him.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Pouncey too

I'm sure he'll get at least 3. It wasn't worth it. Those kicks were some sissy-ass kicks to a guy in pads with a helmet. How those were comparable to what Garrett did is a fucking joke of an argument.

[CU Tiger]

If we are serious about head injuries ... we just saw a helmet pulled off and then used to hit the player in the head with.

I think Garret is done for 365 days MINIMUM....I'm not sure that a life ban is over board. This is totally unacceptable and has to be an example so severe it's never considered again.

Pouncey..yeah he gets a game or two and every member of the Steelers chips in on his fine.

[molson]

They play again in 17 days.

Probably not with all the same players though

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

I'm sure he'll get at least 3. It wasn't worth it. Those kicks were some sissy-ass kicks to a guy in pads with a helmet. How those were comparable to what Garrett did is a fucking joke of an argument.

Garrett should get a full year.

Pouncey should be looking at 5-6.

Unless I missed something Rudolph should be looking at a fine for trying to rip a player's helmet off, which is what started the whole thing.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Headline of the year candidate?

@Rotoworld_FB
· 1h
Ghastly Rudolph tosses 4 INTs, gets assaulted

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Garrett should get a full year.

Pouncey should be looking at 5-6.

Unless I missed something Rudolph should be looking at a fine for trying to rip a player's helmet off, which is what started the whole thing.

Getting pulled and thrown down to the ground, well after the pass, and well after the play is gone is what started it.

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

If we are serious about head injuries ... we just saw a helmet pulled off and then used to hit the player in the head with.

I think Garret is done for 365 days MINIMUM....I'm not sure that a life ban is over board. This is totally unacceptable and has to be an example so severe it's never considered again.

Pouncey..yeah he gets a game or two and every member of the Steelers chips in on his fine.

Yup, start at a year and I'm fine with whatever they decide after that. If he wasn't a 1st overall pick and a face of a franchise he'd probably be on the commissioners exempt list, but I don't think the NFL has the balls to do anything more than 4 games. I also wonder what the conduct policy even let's them do.

[JonInMiddleGA]

You wanna see some fascinating shit?

Google "Kitchens press conference" then go look at the Twitter results for that

While there's plenty of people calling it all manner of horrific, when I looked it was probably 65/35 at most with a fair number talking about what a great job he did. And from the profiles, it ain't simply Browns fans defending/applauding him

The complete divergence of reaction is simply astounding ... and I'm hard to shock that way, I've long accepted the complete polarization on virtually any topic but this is next level.

(I searched that phrase trying to determine whether he actually said "there's helmet to helmet contact every week")
edit: yep, he said it

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

Mason Rudolph is in the wrong sport.

He should be a boxer or in MMA. I have never seen anyone take a hit like that. It didn't even faze him. Craziness.

[tarcone]

Hes lucky it was the bottom of the helmet. Had it been the crown, he may be dead.

I like James Harrisons tweet
That’s assault at the least... 6 months in jail on the street.. now add the weapon and that’s at least a year right?!

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

You wanna see some fascinating shit?

Google "Kitchens press conference" then go look at the Twitter results for that

While there's plenty of people calling it all manner of horrific, when I looked it was probably 65/35 at most with a fair number talking about what a great job he did. And from the profiles, it ain't simply Browns fans defending/applauding him

The complete divergence of reaction is simply astounding ... and I'm hard to shock that way, I've long accepted the complete polarization on virtually any topic but this is next level.

(I searched that phrase trying to determine whether he actually said "there's helmet to helmet contact every week")
edit: yep, he said it

That was in response to a question whether helmet-to-helmet hits during the game caused the fight.

[NobodyHere]

Mason shouldn't have been chasing after him if he didn't want to get hit by his own helmet.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Mason shouldn't have been chasing after him if he didn't want to get hit by his own helmet.

That girl shouldn't have been wearing that skirt if she didn't want to get raped

[albionmoonlight]

Myles Garrett and Browns Steelers clips added to 1977 CBS NFL Today intro #PITvsCLE pic.twitter.com/8fOeUncIF3

— Heavens! (@HeavensFX) November 15, 2019

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Lathum

That girl shouldn't have been wearing that skirt if she didn't want to get raped

So attacking a 250+ pound man is the same as wearing a skirt?

[miked]

Forgotten in all this is the 3 other helmet-to-helmet hits the Browns were guilty of including a separate ejection.

[Kodos]

Garrett should never play another down in the NFL. And he should face assault charges.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

So attacking a 250+ pound man is the same as wearing a skirt?

No but the victim blaming is

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Mason shouldn't have been chasing after him if he didn't want to get hit by his own helmet.

What utter bullshit. Only true if that is the expectation in the NFL. Is that something we see a lot of? How many times a year does one guy forcibly rip another guys helmet off after the play? Then of that group, how many times does that guy use the helmet to hit the other, now non-helmeted guy, in the head? Because I'll buy that bullshit if that percentage is pretty fucking high.



The NFL is fucked here. They ejected a guy last night for a flagrant helmet to helmet that was clear. With all the problems with that, they have a guy staggering off the field, from an illegal hit, knocked out and concussed. His season might be done. Who knows? Plus 2 other players going out with concussions. Three in one night and a helmet used as a weapon in an assault. That's what the NFL has. They can't regulate it out of the game without killing it (the game).

[PilotMan]

dola


Garrett earns an indefinite ban.

All that means is that you're done for this year, plus we have to think about if and when how much more you get.

I'm thinking that sometime before next year he'll get the chance to come back. Clearly it needs more time to play out.

[sabotai]

JT O'Sullivan has a YouTube channel (The QB School) and has a lot of good videos.

In this one, he spends 40+ minutes going over the Ram offense vs. the Steelers.

What's wrong with the LA Rams? - YouTube

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

All that means is that you're done for this year, and we will see if that appeases the masses and if so come on back and try again...if not you will have sit for a while longer.

FIFY IMO

[JPhillips]

I'd be very surprised if he isn't back next year. It will be very easy to sneak him back during September when everybody is going crazy regarding the election. He says he's sorry, takes anger management classes, spends money on a charitable endeavor and he's playing week one.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

That was in response to a question whether helmet-to-helmet hits during the game caused the fight.

Actually, the response came when he was asked if he thought things were "out of control" (you could hear the question in the clip of it I found). Which is where the hilariously inappropriate nature of his response came in.

[EagleFan]

What also needs to be looked at was the second swing of the helmet. Luckily the lineman got in the way but that would have been the crown of the helmet hitting him. That ruins any argument of a one time loss of reason.

[AlexB]

So Kaepernick really helps himself in his bid to get back in the NFL

The whole episode just shows one of the reasons why teams wont touch him with a bargepole - the circus around him is much too great for someone who is likely a backup QB

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by AlexB

So Kaepernick really helps himself in his bid to get back in the NFL

The whole episode just shows one of the reasons why teams wont touch him with a bargepole - the circus around him is much too great for someone who is likely a backup QB

I actually think his request to allow media/full transparency reasonable. But from what I read it seemed to be last minute etc. and shouldn't it have been negotiated way ahead of time?

But yeah, it sounds like a prima donna thinking he has more leverage than he really does.

I do wonder if a team is interested, what terms would be requested re: his kneeling etc.

[Carman Bulldog]

Originally Posted by Lathum

No but the victim blaming is

It may go against modern convention, but I think there are probably times when some of the blame does lie at the feet of the victim.

Let's say that you decide to walk around in an impoverished neighbourhood with severe socio-economic issues by yourself late at night. And while doing so, you are wearing flashy clothes, expensive jewelry, carrying around your expensive cell phone on display, etc. And then you get robbed.
Is it wrong to say that the victim could have done something to prevent or avoid their victimization?

What about someone who leaves the car running everywhere unlocked and with the keys in it? Do they deserve any of the blame when it gets stolen?

Or should people take reasonable precautions to prevent themselves being victims of certain behaviours?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Carman Bulldog

It may go against modern convention, but I think there are probably times when some of the blame does lie at the feet of the victim.

Let's say that you decide to walk around in an impoverished neighbourhood with severe socio-economic issues by yourself late at night. And while doing so, you are wearing flashy clothes, expensive jewelry, carrying around your expensive cell phone on display, etc. And then you get robbed.
Is it wrong to say that the victim could have done something to prevent or avoid their victimization?

What about someone who leaves the car running everywhere unlocked and with the keys in it? Do they deserve any of the blame when it gets stolen?

Or should people take reasonable precautions to prevent themselves being victims of certain behaviours?

This is a bit of a strawman argument. I think you can always say a victim could have done something to prevent what happened to them. The bottom line is the perpetrator is the one who makes a conscious decision to victimize someone.

[Carman Bulldog]

Originally Posted by Lathum

This is a bit of a strawman argument. I think you can always say a victim could have done something to prevent what happened to them. The bottom line is the perpetrator is the one who makes a conscious decision to victimize someone.

I agree with your last sentence. But when you get into an altercation with someone, the guy rips your helmet off and then you get separated, is it a good idea or a bad idea to go chasing after him while he still has your helmet in his hand?

[Carman Bulldog]

Originally Posted by AlexB

So Kaepernick really helps himself in his bid to get back in the NFL

The whole episode just shows one of the reasons why teams wont touch him with a bargepole - the circus around him is much too great for someone who is likely a backup QB

I do wonder if Kaepernick would have a job if his record was better than 4-21 in his last 25 starts. I mean, that record is JaMarcus Russell-Ryan Leaf levels of bad. I get that his underlying statistics were better, but he was also a 29-year-old six year veteran as opposed to a 22 or 23-year-old in his first few seasons during that time.

[miked]

The whole Kaep thing was stupid. The NFL gave him 4 days notice to put on a workout that they were in full control of. They gave him a modified waiver (which allegedly said he could not sue if he went unsigned) and selected the time, place, and WR crew. Also, they allegedly wanted only their own film crew there.

Then he changed it last minute like a baby and did not handle the PR very well. I think the NFL tried to back him in to a corner for their own needs and he did not want to play the game. They refused to postpone it or change the terms of the waiver, so not much else he could do. That being said, I doubt he is really interested in being 2nd or 3rd string on a Washington team.

We can debate these things, but ideally it helps both sides for this to remain in limbo forever.

As for his record, he threw 16 TDs and 4 picks in his 1-10 last season with another 400 yards and 2 TDs on the ground. He was not the reason they stunk. We all know he's better than 50% of the retreads in the league (I'm looking at you Joe Flacco) and we all know why he isn't signed.

[NobodyHere]

Next time I'm looking for a job I'm going to taunt my potential employers and tell them to "stop runnning from the truth".

[SirFozzie]

If that 4th down pass interference challenge isn't reversible, nothing is.

[MizzouRah]

NFL coaches, DO NOT challenge any PI plays, they are NEVER going to be overturned.



Texans and WR Hopkins got screwed on that non-call and non overturn. Again, please define what PI is because that's textbook PI.


I don't have a horse in this race, but when the referee decides on PI or no PI, the NFL has been told to stick with the call on the field. That much is clear.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

If that 4th down pass interference challenge isn't reversible, nothing is.

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

NFL coaches, DO NOT challenge any PI plays, they are NEVER going to be overturned.



Texans and WR Hopkins got screwed on that non-call and non overturn. Again, please define what PI is because that's textbook PI.


I don't have a horse in this race, but when the referee decides on PI or no PI, the NFL has been told to stick with the call on the field. That much is clear.

Yep. That was just awful. Clear as day!

[jbergey22]

Looks like more than a few teams took the week off. Vikings, Panthers, Texans

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Yep. That was just awful. Clear as day!

And they just overturn a call in SF. Is it the correct call? Yes, but the inconsistency is ridiculous.