2014 NFL Playoffs Thread

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Logan

How about just watching for the actual football played on the field, and that these are the four best teams in the sport, and try to enjoy that? Leave all the other shit for the columnists.

I actively dislike three of the four ... no interest beyond pop culture/water cooler level in watching any of them if there isn't someone to root for.

When there's nothing to cheer unless the ground swallows up both teams what's the point in watching? There's no joy in the outcome.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Thank you! I have always wondered that. A 45-yard moon-shot from the 50 yard line seems like the perfect kick in that situation.

The best part is the kicker can go practice it by himself - it doesn't take a snapper/holder/defense when you're just kicking off a tee with no rush.

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I actively dislike three of the four ... no interest beyond pop culture/water cooler level in watching any of them if there isn't someone to root for.

When there's nothing to cheer unless the ground swallows up both teams what's the point in watching? There's no joy in the outcome.

I suppose the NFL will just have to get by without you

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

I suppose the NFL will just have to get by without you

Well duh.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Manning is pretty much the only player in the NFL I give a particular fuck about (and even in this case I have mixed feelings about pulling for Denver due to the way they handled Tebow).

Jesus Christ.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Jesus Christ.

I usually just call him "Tim"

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Jesus Christ.

+1

So what - because Tebow is publicly devout he shouldn't be let go or something?

The real funny thing is - not to bring politics into the NFL thread, but - you strike me as someone who supports the right of management to let go of any worker at any time for any reason. So why should Tebow be any different?

Not even to mention that he's a former Florida Gator, and you're a Georgia boy. Surprised that doesn't enter into it and make you dislike him.

[Lathum]

I find the reaction to the limiting of ticket sales amusing. Anyone who actually thinks the Seahawks are worried Niners fans are going to take over the Clink are out of their minds.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I find the reaction to the limiting of ticket sales amusing. Anyone who actually thinks the Seahawks are worried Niners fans are going to take over the Clink are out of their minds.

I'm already on record saying it's no big deal, but why bother doing it? How many seats can possibly be available at this point where this would be an issue? I assume that, like most teams, playoff tickets go on sale before the regular season ends. And I also assume Seattle sells out their season tix or at least comes extremely close, given the reputation of the fanbase.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

+1

The real funny thing is - not to bring politics into the NFL thread, but - you strike me as someone who supports the right of management to let go of any worker at any time for any reason. So why should Tebow be any different?

And how.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Logan

I'm already on record saying it's no big deal, but why bother doing it? How many seats can possibly be available at this point where this would be an issue? I assume that, like most teams, playoff tickets go on sale before the regular season ends. And I also assume Seattle sells out their season tix or at least comes extremely close, given the reputation of the fanbase.

My guess would be is there are probably a lot of large ticket brokers in California and they want to prevent them from buying up all the tickets. Having lived in Seattle for 5 years I can tell you selling out is no problem.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I find the reaction to the limiting of ticket sales amusing. Anyone who actually thinks the Seahawks are worried Niners fans are going to take over the Clink are out of their minds.

No shit. I've seen that Kaepernick headphone commercial. Those Seahawks fans are, like, just one step above Philly fans. They are crazy savages, attacking that bus, throwing things, near rioting... If not for the security and those headphones, I am sure they would've torn Colin limb from limb and paraded his head around on a spike.

No, Niners fans are not going to take over the Clink.

[Ronnie Dobbs3]

Thought I read somewhere that there are generally around 1000 tickets released at this point.

[TroyF]

Chris Harris with a torn ACL. That is beyond a massive blow for Denver. Allen went off yesterday after he went out. The defense has always been questionable, and now we lose him? Well, it's going to have to be a shootout win against the Pats. Denver may be the team that tries to play ball control on Sunday to keep Brady off the field and tire out the NE defense. Worst possible news.

[Vince, Pt. II]

As expected, the sports talk guys are having a field day here about the Skuda personal foul on Cam Newton for the helmet to helmet sack late in the game. To be fair, they've also mentioned that the 49ers received more than a couple benefits, so it's less sour grapes about the refs screwed us and more the refs didn't do a very good job.

Am I correct in remembering that the NFL has downgraded referee performance when a hit like that happens and they DON'T throw the flag? Hard to get mad at the refs when the NFL is painting them into a corner where they either throw every flag for anything close to contact or they get (essentially) reprimanded.

What's the answer? For the most part I'm happy with the NFL trying to protect the players, but they seem to be taking it too far in the other direction now. I'm a 49er fan, so my biggest memories are the Brooks sack of Brees and the Skuda sack on Newton, but I'm certain it's happened in other games. Those two calls were huge swings though. The Brees sack/penalty almost certainly cost the 49ers the #1 seed in the NFC, and if Cam Newton doesn't throw an interception a few plays later, the other play could have cost the 49ers a win in the playoffs.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Chris Harris with a torn ACL. That is beyond a massive blow for Denver. Allen went off yesterday after he went out. The defense has always been questionable, and now we lose him? Well, it's going to have to be a shootout win against the Pats. Denver may be the team that tries to play ball control on Sunday to keep Brady off the field and tire out the NE defense. Worst possible news.

Worse than an announcement of no Manning?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Not even to mention that he's a former Florida Gator, and you're a Georgia boy. Surprised that doesn't enter into it and make you dislike him.

I'm a Tech guy ... ANYBODY that beats UGA is good by me (at least on that day). My only on-field gripe with the Gators specifically is when they play Tennessee, otherwise they're just another team to me.

As for the rest, I never said Denver couldn't release whomever. I felt like the situation was handled poorly and was only redeemed by who they ultimately signed. Otherwise I'd be likely to wish 0-16 on them for the rest of their existence.

It was actually kind of, I dunno, "ironic" might not be the right word but something like that. There were basically only 2 players in the entire league I gave a rat's ass about ... and one of them replaced the other.

[jeff061]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Chris Harris with a torn ACL. That is beyond a massive blow for Denver. Allen went off yesterday after he went out. The defense has always been questionable, and now we lose him? Well, it's going to have to be a shootout win against the Pats. Denver may be the team that tries to play ball control on Sunday to keep Brady off the field and tire out the NE defense. Worst possible news.

I'm not sure Brady is capable of tearing it up with this team against anyone, don't believe he has since Gronk went out. Any and all offense has come from the running game lately.

You never know, we've had some good games against Denver. Maybe he makes it happen this week.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by cartman

Worse than an announcement of no Manning?

Probably the 2nd worst player we could have lost. He's a guy that most football fans know little about, but he's truly a pro bowl level CB. He just wipes people out of the slot. Our most reliable cover guy. Pro Football Focus stated he was the key Denver player for the playoffs not named Manning before the playoffs started.

With him out, it means Jammer plays more and I think everyone saw how well that worked out yesterday, right? There is really only one single thing that could offset this and it isn't likely to happen. Champ will have to play an amazing game. That's 5 Denver starters on defense who will be out for the Patriots game (Wolfe, Miller, Harris, Moore, Vickerson)

Yeah, I know, the Denver D wasn't terrific with all of them in there and that's kind of the point. That's 5 of the top 8 or 9 defensive players out now from a defense that was always questionable.

The only good thing is the Pats don't have Gronk. As bad as Harris out is, that at least mitigates things a little. Still, not good, not good at all.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

As for the rest, I never said Denver couldn't release whomever. I felt like the situation was handled poorly and was only redeemed by who they ultimately signed. Otherwise I'd be likely to wish 0-16 on them for the rest of their existence.

Redeemed by who they signed, not redeemed by the golden boy being forced into taking an analyst gig in order to still have a connection to football?

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by cartman

Worse than an announcement of no Manning?

Yeah, that might have been a bit of hyperbole on Troy's part - he isn't even their best CB.

Edit - nope, he's standing behind it. Given the Pats current O, I'd definitely think injuries to Phillips, Woodyard, Trevathan would be worse. Maybe even DRC or the 2 DT's.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I'm a Tech guy ... ANYBODY that beats UGA is good by me (at least on that day). My only on-field gripe with the Gators specifically is when they play Tennessee, otherwise they're just another team to me.

As for the rest, I never said Denver couldn't release whomever. I felt like the situation was handled poorly and was only redeemed by who they ultimately signed. Otherwise I'd be likely to wish 0-16 on them for the rest of their existence.

It was actually kind of, I dunno, "ironic" might not be the right word but something like that. There were basically only 2 players in the entire league I gave a rat's ass about ... and one of them replaced the other.

FWIW, I don't have a problem with the decision Denver made. I also thought they were very good in how they gave Tebow the option of where to be traded to. (not many guys get that kind of input) In between, I thought it was handled badly. There were a lot of leaks coming out of the organization. Some said he would be the starter, others said Elway was going to work with him, others said Tebow would be gone no matter what.

No matter what the Broncos thought of him, he still won them a playoff game and worked his ass off for the team. Keep in mind, they signed Manning 2 days before trading Tebow. Who knows what would have happened had Manning picked someone else.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Yeah, that might have been a bit of hyperbole on Troy's part - he isn't even their best CB.

Edit - nope, he's standing behind it. Given the Pats current O, I'd definitely think injuries to Phillips, Woodyard, Trevathan would be worse. Maybe even DRC or the 2 DT's.

He is their best CB and has been for 2 years. DRC is playing well, but Harris has just destroyed people in the slot. He made PFF's second string all pro team as a slot corner. (I know, advanced metrics aren't for everyone, but as someone who watches every Denver play I'm going to tell you Harris is a beast)

As for worse than Manning, I guess I don't even count Manning in this type of thing. If he goes down, Denver loses. I don't think any of us need a discussion to figure out that Brock Osweiller isn't going to beat Tom Brady unless things get really strange.

The two guys I was most fearful of losing before the playoffs not named Manning was
Chris Harris and Julius Thomas. Thomas helps stretch the middle of the field and keep safeties from torturing our other receivers. Harris is the guy who simply gets the job done, day in, day out.

Allen had ONE catch yesterday before Harris got hurt. Afterward the wheels fell off. I understand there were a lot of factors that played into that, but losing Harris was damaging yesterday and will be again this week.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by TroyF

He is their best CB and has been for 2 years. DRC is playing well, but Harris has just destroyed people in the slot. He made PFF's second string all pro team as a slot corner. (I know, advanced metrics aren't for everyone, but as someone who watches every Denver play I'm going to tell you Harris is a beast)

As for worse than Manning, I guess I don't even count Manning in this type of thing. If he goes down, Denver loses. I don't think any of us need a discussion to figure out that Brock Osweiller isn't going to beat Tom Brady unless things get really strange.

The two guys I was most fearful of losing before the playoffs not named Manning was
Chris Harris and Julius Thomas. Thomas helps stretch the middle of the field and keep safeties from torturing our other receivers. Harris is the guy who simply gets the job done, day in, day out.

Allen had ONE catch yesterday before Harris got hurt. Afterward the wheels fell off. I understand there were a lot of factors that played into that, but losing Harris was damaging yesterday and will be again this week.

Sounds like that could really hurt against Edelman/Amendola then...yikes.

Then again it wouldn't surprise me if this game ended up with both teams lining up to try to run it down each others' throats at this point.

[Desnudo]

Patriots will run the ball for better or for worse to keep the ball out of Denver's hands. The injury doesn't help Denver, but it's not like the patriots have the personnel to really exploit it.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

Patriots will run the ball for better or for worse to keep the ball out of Denver's hands. The injury doesn't help Denver, but it's not like the patriots have the personnel to really exploit it.

If he's their primary slot corner it certainly hurts more than if he was a sub-package corner or a boundary-guy though.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Yeah, that might have been a bit of hyperbole on Troy's part - he isn't even their best CB.

Edit - nope, he's standing behind it. Given the Pats current O, I'd definitely think injuries to Phillips, Woodyard, Trevathan would be worse. Maybe even DRC or the 2 DT's.

Woodyard has been relegated to a backup role for about 6 games now.

[BillJasper]

Manning vs. Brady Round 15 | NFL.com

If I was a Broncos' fan, the above would have me sweating! Brady's record vs. Manning is 10-4.

[BillJasper]

For all the talk of defense being dead, only two teams have scored more than 27 points this post-season. So far...

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

Manning vs. Brady Round 15 | NFL.com

If I was a Broncos' fan, the above would have me sweating! Brady's record vs. Manning is 10-4.

Let us analyze real quick, shall we?

Game #1 - Patriots 44-13 - Pats win the Super Bowl, Colts go 6-10. Pats 6th in points against, Colts 31

Game #2 - Patriots 38-17 - 3 weeks after game 1

Game #3 - Patriots 38-34 - Pats 14-2 and win Super Bowl, Colts 12-4. Pats 1st in points against, Colts 20th.

Game #4 - Patriots 24-14 - Playoffs in season above, played in NE

Game #5 - Patriots 27-24 - Pats 17-2 and win Super Bowl, Colts 12-4. Pats 2nd in points against, Colts 19th.

Game #6 - Patriots 20-3 - Playoffs in season above, played in NE

Game #7 - Colts 40-21 - Pats 10-6, Colts 14-2. Pats 17th in points allowed, Colts 2nd in points allowed.

Game #8 - Colts 27-20 - Pats 10-6, Colts 12-4 Win Super Bowl Pats 2nd in points allowed, Colts 23rd.

Game #9 - Colts 38-34 - Playoffs in above season, played in Indy.

Game #10 - Patriots 24-20 Patriots go 16-0 and lose in SB, Indy 13-3. Pats 4th in points against, Indy 1st.

Game #11 - Indy 35-34 - Patriots go 10-6, Colts go 14-2 and lose in SB. Pats 5th in points against, Colts 8th

Game #12 - Pats - 31-28 - Pats go 14-2 Indy 10-6. Patriots 8th in points agasint, Colts 23rd in points against

Game #13 - Pats 31-21 - Pats go 12-4, Broncos go 13-3. Pats 9th in points against, Broncos 4th in points agasinst

Game #14 - Patriots 34-31 OT - Pats 12-4, Broncos 13-3 Patriots 10th in points against, Broncos 22nd


By my count, Brady has had the clearly better team in 7 of the 14 meetings. Manning has had the better team in 4. It's been close to a draw in 3.

Brady is 7-0 when he clearly has the better team. Manning is 2-2 in those cased. (I was really generous here to the Pats, calling the Colts clear favorites the year the Patriots went 16-0.) When the teams are even, Manning is 2-1 over Brady. In the playoffs, the better team won all three games.

After those first 6 losses when the Patriots were clearly the better football team, this series is tied up 4-4 over the last 8 years.

My conclusion? I doubt it will be the two QB's who decide this one. The defenses, guys dropping the ball (Umm, hopefully a punt doesn't hit a Broncos player in OT again), the running games, etc.

I'm terrified about the game Sunday, I'm just not terrified Brady is superior to Manning and that he holds some special power over him because he happened to play on dominant teams the first 6 times these guys played.

[SnowMan]

Denver is restricting their ticket sales as well...why doesn't this have all the drama and overreaction that the Seattle restriction does?

Broncos Selling AFC Championship Game Tickets Only To Fans Living In Rocky Mountain Region « CBS Boston

[BillJasper]

10-4 is 10-4 no matter how you slice it. You have to wonder if that's floating around in Manning's head right about now?

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by SnowMan

Denver is restricting their ticket sales as well...why doesn't this have all the drama and overreaction that the Seattle restriction does?

Broncos Selling AFC Championship Game Tickets Only To Fans Living In Rocky Mountain Region « CBS Boston

Probably because there aren't nearly as many fans who will fly from MA as fans that would make the trek to Seattle from Northern California.

I know the intent in Denver isn't to keep opposing fans out. Denver is THE team for most of the midwestern states. KC is the closest team to Denver. My guess is that Seattle is in the same boat. You want to keep your regional fans happy. If Patriots or 49er fans get tickets, so be it. When you have a limited number, you want to make sure your supporting fans have first shot.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

10-4 is 10-4 no matter how you slice it. You have to wonder if that's floating around in Manning's head right about now?

Actually, it isn't. What's going on through Manning's head now? Not sure, but I can tell you he isn't crapping his pants because he's going up against a QB he's 4-4 against the last 8 years and one he beat the last time he played him in the playoffs.Heck, this is a QB he played to a draw in a snow storm earlier this year. (with the Pats winning due to the punt, not Manning screwups) Sorry, but I do not see the relevance.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Actually, it isn't. What's going on through Manning's head now? Not sure, but I can tell you he isn't crapping his pants because he's going up against a QB he's 4-4 against the last 8 years and one he beat the last time he played him in the playoffs.Heck, this is a QB he played to a draw in a snow storm earlier this year. (with the Pats winning due to the punt, not Manning screwups) Sorry, but I do not see the relevance.

Totally agree.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Probably because there aren't nearly as many fans who will fly from MA as fans that would make the trek to Seattle from Northern California.

I know the intent in Denver isn't to keep opposing fans out. Denver is THE team for most of the midwestern states. KC is the closest team to Denver. My guess is that Seattle is in the same boat. You want to keep your regional fans happy. If Patriots or 49er fans get tickets, so be it. When you have a limited number, you want to make sure your supporting fans have first shot.

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18d0...g/original.png

Much of the Dakota's and Iowa are Vikings fans. I think "THE" team of the most of midwestern states may be exaggerated.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Actually, it isn't. What's going on through Manning's head now? Not sure, but I can tell you he isn't crapping his pants because he's going up against a QB he's 4-4 against the last 8 years and one he beat the last time he played him in the playoffs.Heck, this is a QB he played to a draw in a snow storm earlier this year. (with the Pats winning due to the punt, not Manning screwups) Sorry, but I do not see the relevance.

Agree

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Probably because there aren't nearly as many fans who will fly from MA as fans that would make the trek to Seattle from Northern California.

I know the intent in Denver isn't to keep opposing fans out. Denver is THE team for most of the midwestern states. KC is the closest team to Denver. My guess is that Seattle is in the same boat. You want to keep your regional fans happy. If Patriots or 49er fans get tickets, so be it. When you have a limited number, you want to make sure your supporting fans have first shot.

I think it is because Niners fans get butt hurt very easily. It is about 800 miles from San Fran to Seattle. It isn't like you don't have to make a hike, either way you have to get on a plane, take time from work, etc.... Niners fans are acting like it is just California that is restricted, when in reality it is anywhere outside the PNW.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18d0...g/original.png

Much of the Dakota's and Iowa are Vikings fans. I think "THE" team of the most of midwestern states may be exaggerated.

I shouldn't have used "midwestern" states. I meant there is a large section around Denver where the Broncos are the team. I'd even argue that New Mexico should be a lot brighter orange on that chart.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I think it is because Niners fans get butt hurt very easily. It is about 800 miles from San Fran to Seattle. It isn't like you don't have to make a hike, either way you have to get on a plane, take time from work, etc.... Niners fans are acting like it is just California that is restricted, when in reality it is anywhere outside the PNW.

Fairly certain it's media created buzz, for the record. I know of no one who is upset by it, and I'd say 80% of the fans I know don't even know about the restrictions.

[TroyF]

Just saw a stat on Chris Harris. . . He played more defensive snaps for Denver than any other player this year. Yeah, he's kind of important.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

Fairly certain it's media created buzz, for the record. I know of no one who is upset by it, and I'd say 80% of the fans I know don't even know about the restrictions.

Yep. Nobody cares and if you really want tickets you can get them.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by SnowMan

Denver is restricting their ticket sales as well...why doesn't this have all the drama and overreaction that the Seattle restriction does?

Umm, 'cause Denver doesn't have the fastest growing douche reputation of any team in the NFL?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Yep. Nobody cares and if you really want tickets you can get them.

my facebook feed says otherwise...

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Umm, 'cause Denver doesn't have the fastest growing douche reputation of any team in the NFL?

and if anyone knows about douche reputations...

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Umm, 'cause Denver doesn't have the fastest growing douche reputation of any team in the NFL?

I don't perceive that at all. Seattle is in a class by itself, then you have the usual suspects, i.e. teams that have won a lot lately.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

I don't perceive that at all. Seattle is in a class by itself, then you have the usual suspects, i.e. teams that have won a lot lately.

I'm pretty sure he meant me, not Den/SF/NE

[Draft Dodger]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I'm pretty sure he meant me, not Den/SF/NE

I chuckled

[ColtCrazy]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Let us analyze real quick, shall we?

Game #1 - Patriots 44-13 - Pats win the Super Bowl, Colts go 6-10. Pats 6th in points against, Colts 31

Game #2 - Patriots 38-17 - 3 weeks after game 1

Game #3 - Patriots 38-34 - Pats 14-2 and win Super Bowl, Colts 12-4. Pats 1st in points against, Colts 20th.

Game #4 - Patriots 24-14 - Playoffs in season above, played in NE

Game #5 - Patriots 27-24 - Pats 17-2 and win Super Bowl, Colts 12-4. Pats 2nd in points against, Colts 19th.

Game #6 - Patriots 20-3 - Playoffs in season above, played in NE

Game #7 - Colts 40-21 - Pats 10-6, Colts 14-2. Pats 17th in points allowed, Colts 2nd in points allowed.

Game #8 - Colts 27-20 - Pats 10-6, Colts 12-4 Win Super Bowl Pats 2nd in points allowed, Colts 23rd.

Game #9 - Colts 38-34 - Playoffs in above season, played in Indy.

Game #10 - Patriots 24-20 Patriots go 16-0 and lose in SB, Indy 13-3. Pats 4th in points against, Indy 1st.

Game #11 - Indy 35-34 - Patriots go 10-6, Colts go 14-2 and lose in SB. Pats 5th in points against, Colts 8th

Game #12 - Pats - 31-28 - Pats go 14-2 Indy 10-6. Patriots 8th in points agasint, Colts 23rd in points against

Game #13 - Pats 31-21 - Pats go 12-4, Broncos go 13-3. Pats 9th in points against, Broncos 4th in points agasinst

Game #14 - Patriots 34-31 OT - Pats 12-4, Broncos 13-3 Patriots 10th in points against, Broncos 22nd


By my count, Brady has had the clearly better team in 7 of the 14 meetings. Manning has had the better team in 4. It's been close to a draw in 3.

Brady is 7-0 when he clearly has the better team. Manning is 2-2 in those cased. (I was really generous here to the Pats, calling the Colts clear favorites the year the Patriots went 16-0.) When the teams are even, Manning is 2-1 over Brady. In the playoffs, the better team won all three games.

After those first 6 losses when the Patriots were clearly the better football team, this series is tied up 4-4 over the last 8 years.

My conclusion? I doubt it will be the two QB's who decide this one. The defenses, guys dropping the ball (Umm, hopefully a punt doesn't hit a Broncos player in OT again), the running games, etc.

I'm terrified about the game Sunday, I'm just not terrified Brady is superior to Manning and that he holds some special power over him because he happened to play on dominant teams the first 6 times these guys played.

I think this is spot on. Having been to nearly every home game in Manning's Colts' career, I can say that how good the "team" played was usually overrated. Only a few times they had a top half ranked rushing attack. Their defense was a Polian trademark, fast but undersized. I'm not saying Manning wasn't without his playoff disappointments. The 2005 team was without a doubt the best Colts team while he was there, and they laid a huge egg against Pittsburgh. Still, Brady has had the luxury of having a more complete team more often. Even this year, despite injuries, they've had guys step up and produce (and I was a fan of Blount at Tampa...the guy can play). I think that goes back to Belichick's ability to get the most out of players. He's brilliant at doing that. It's gravy that he has a smart QB to run the offense.
It's nearly impossible to do a QB vs. QB debate in football with so many other moving parts to consider.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Lathum

my facebook feed says otherwise...

Probably because only d-bags complain on facebook.