NFL 2022-23 Season Thread

[Coffee Warlord]

Refs gifted this one to the Dolphins.

[bronconick]

Aaron Rodgers is done.

[QuikSand]

who out there had the AFC East all-above-.500 at this point on your bingo cards?

[miami_fan]

So uhhh this Josh McDaniels head coaching thing...

[cuervo72]

The switching thing gets me, too. Like trying to watch the Eagles and Phillies the other night; switching between the Prime app on my TV and DirecTV is not exactly smooth. Thankfully I have two TVs down in the basement side-by-side, one with the app and the other hooked up to the satellite. But I'm not always going to be doing that.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by bronconick

Aaron Rodgers is done.

Pre-6/1 Release
2023 Dead Cap: $99,778,568

Pre-6/1 Trade
2023 Dead Cap: $40,313,568

Post-6/1 Release
2023 Dead Cap: $75,298,568
2024 Dead Cap: $24,480,000

Post-6/1 Trade
2023 Dead Cap: $15,833,568
2024 Dead Cap: $24,480,000

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Refs gifted this one to the Dolphins.

The job Getsy has done with the offense the past few weeks is incredible.

Although it's not exactly stunning that Fields looks much better in an offense that resembles Baltimore's rather than Green Bays.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

Pre-6/1 Release
2023 Dead Cap: $99,778,568

Pre-6/1 Trade
2023 Dead Cap: $40,313,568

Post-6/1 Release
2023 Dead Cap: $75,298,568
2024 Dead Cap: $24,480,000

Post-6/1 Trade
2023 Dead Cap: $15,833,568
2024 Dead Cap: $24,480,000

So a trade is the best outcome. Denver has a QB they could swap!

[Solecismic]

The corollary to the crazy-guaranteed-money-to-quarterbacks trend is quite a bit of pain if you commit wrong.

Rodgers and Brady seem distracted and older. Not surprising. I'm watching Brady right now, and looking at his season numbers, watching his decision-making and I still think he's got enough to lead a good team. The Bucs seem to want to establish a running game today, though. Best of luck with that.

Rodgers seems more emotional right now - interceptions way up this season. I know he wants more receivers and is probably still seething about losing Adams. Maybe it's that bad out there, given they can't run the ball. When what might be the worst defense in the history of the game holds you to single digits, you are more than one player removed from awful.

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

So uhhh this Josh McDaniels head coaching thing...

right, how could anyone have seen it coming?

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

So a trade is the best outcome. Denver has a QB they could swap!

I think the Colts make the most sense since they are the official NFL QB retirement home at this point.

[QuikSand]

Coach Mike McDaniel yelling at Justin Fields to “STOP IT” ������ pic.twitter.com/YkbZ869ZYJ

— Big E (@ian693) November 6, 2022

same energy, coach

[MIJB#19]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

The corollary to the crazy-guaranteed-money-to-quarterbacks trend is quite a bit of pain if you commit wrong.

Rodgers and Brady seem distracted and older. Not surprising. I'm watching Brady right now, and looking at his season numbers, watching his decision-making and I still think he's got enough to lead a good team. The Bucs seem to want to establish a running game today, though. Best of luck with that.

Rodgers seems more emotional right now - interceptions way up this season. I know he wants more receivers and is probably still seething about losing Adams. Maybe it's that bad out there, given they can't run the ball. When what might be the worst defense in the history of the game holds you to single digits, you are more than one player removed from awful.

When you're the player with the biggest cap hit in the NFL, you (Aaron Rodgers) have to understand (or find a player agent who has a grasp of how a salary cap works) that you brought this (lack of quality teammates) all on yourself.

[miami_fan]

At some point, this game has to become Brady to Evans vs Stafford to Kupp right? Because I know that is going to be an issue for Bucs fans that Kupp is the only viable receiver for the Rams and that is enough to beat them for three quarters in.

[miami_fan]

Why was that not a penalty for Ramsey taking off his helmet on the field? Not that I want them to call a penalty there, I am just looking for clarification.

[albionmoonlight]

Credit to the Bucs for the comeback.

I’ve rarely seen playcalling/execution as scared as the Rams to give them the opportunity. They were playing to punt—not just in calls, but in overall approach.

[Solecismic]

Originally Posted by MIJB#19

When you're the player with the biggest cap hit in the NFL, you (Aaron Rodgers) have to understand (or find a player agent who has a grasp of how a salary cap works) that you brought this (lack of quality teammates) all on yourself.

That's true. And the only player I've ever seen both acknowledge that and act on it is Brady. He never held the Patriots or Bucs for ransom. Of course, it helps if your wife is wealthier than you are. And next year, if he's feeling the financial crunch, maybe he acts?

You see him put together a game like that one, not a great one, but he kept moving the chains and dropped back 59 times, often under pressure... he's still quite good. Stafford had the one big pass, which was a great throw, but otherwise disappeared. He seems far too locked onto Kupp.

[Solecismic]

I'm surprised the Titans aren't taking a look at Logan Woodside while Tanneyhill recovers - they have to know Willis isn't ready for prime time. Costly loss there.

[Kodos]

Nice comeback win for the Chiefs.

[albionmoonlight]

Football is such a random game.

Looking at how the Rams played against the Bucs: If Jaquiski Tartt didn't drop an interception that was right in his hands in the NFC Championship last year, people would be openly calling for McVay to be replaced right now. And the Rams' "fuck dem picks" strategy would be being mocked as a total failure.

One Super Bowl changes everything.

[Ksyrup]

Woodside went to HS 20 minutes from me. I still can't believe he made it to the NFL. I don't know what he looks like but anything would have been better than Willis.

[QuikSand]

I didn't watch the game, but it sounds a bit strange hearing complaints here that the Tennessee coaches didn't give their team any chance to win by playing Willis at QB.

They just took the Chiefs to overtime. The Chiefs are on everyone's list as a top-tier team this season, right?

I'm sure that Willis had lost moments, but... maybe his running threat contributed to the team's success overall?

[miami_fan]

Per Schefter, Frank Reich is out in Indy.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

Per Schefter, Frank Reich is out in Indy.

Man, after the Eagles Super Bowl run and people giving him a lot of credit for it, I thought he would nail it as a head coach.

I actually had the Colts as my sleeper team this year. I thought that Ryan had enough left in the tank and that Reich would kick ass with the improvement over Wentz at QB.

I was really wrong on both counts.

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Man, after the Eagles Super Bowl run and people giving him a lot of credit for it, I thought he would nail it as a head coach.

I actually had the Colts as my sleeper team this year. I thought that Ryan had enough left in the tank and that Reich would kick ass with the improvement over Wentz at QB.

I was really wrong on both counts.

there with you

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

Per Schefter, Frank Reich is out in Indy.

...and replaced by Jeff Saturday who has no NFL coaching experience. I'm sure benching a veteran for an inexperienced QB, firing the OC, then firing the HC who's been an offensive coach in 3 consecutive weeks will solve their O-Line issues. Maybe they think Saturday can play Center as well as coach?

[stevew]

Seems weird to like not just promote an assistant. This is some XFL type stuff

[Solecismic]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

I didn't watch the game, but it sounds a bit strange hearing complaints here that the Tennessee coaches didn't give their team any chance to win by playing Willis at QB.

They just took the Chiefs to overtime. The Chiefs are on everyone's list as a top-tier team this season, right?

I'm sure that Willis had lost moments, but... maybe his running threat contributed to the team's success overall?

There's no question that a quarterback with speed and running ability forces a defense to change its commitment to general run-stopping.

Willis is in his second start. When he's forced to pass, he looks lost, like he doesn't have much idea who might be getting open. So teams can adjust.

After a crazy second quarter, most of it chunk running plays, most of that Henry, the Chiefs completely shut them down. On their last nine non-kneel down drives, the Titans gained eight yards. Not eight yards per drive, eight yards, period. Total yardage for the game was 499-229. This didn't look like a normal overtime game, statistically.

In two full starts, Willis has generated less than 100 net passing yards. Now there's two full games of film on him, and apparently, not much of a playbook on display.

He's not ready. Maybe the light turns on for him at some point, but I think the jump from Liberty to the NFL, even for an immensely talented athlete with a great arm, requires a lot of nurturing. Throwing him into the fire like this is the recipe for wasting that potential.

[miami_fan]

If we trust the Titans coaching staff, doesn't starting Willis say something about Woodside? I don't see why there would be pressure to put Willis in if Woodside was a better option right now.

[Solecismic]

It could. But what we've seen from Willis is pretty clear. If Woodside isn't worth playing after four years in the league (no starts), why even keep him on the practice squad?

Trial by fire can work. But it usually doesn't. There are other quarterbacks on other practice squads who can do more if they know Woodside cannot.

[RainMaker]

Willis is definitely not ready but I don't blame them for giving him a shot and some experience. This is probably Tannehill's last season for the Titans.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by stevew

Seems weird to like not just promote an assistant. This is some XFL type stuff

Looks like Irsay is taking extra dosage of his medications again.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Man, after the Eagles Super Bowl run and people giving him a lot of credit for it, I thought he would nail it as a head coach.

I actually had the Colts as my sleeper team this year. I thought that Ryan had enough left in the tank and that Reich would kick ass with the improvement over Wentz at QB.

I was really wrong on both counts.

Same here. Wasted 1 of my 5 salary cap teams on them.

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by stevew

Seems weird to like not just promote an assistant. This is some XFL type stuff

"Leader of Men"

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

If Woodside isn't worth playing after four years in the league (no starts), why even keep him on the practice squad?

Now this is a great question and may speak to the pressure on the coaching staff or the rest of the organization. Why don't they have a proper backup QB on the roster?

According to Spotrac, the Titans have the highest % of adjusted cap allocation devoted to the quarterback position with 18.75%. That does not even count Woodside as he is on the practice squad. For context, KC is 2nd with 18.51% for three QBs (Chad Henne and Shane Buechele are the backups), GB is 5th at 14.81% (Jordan Love), and Buffalo is 10th at 9.53% (Case Keenum).

[Solecismic]

But look at some other teams if they cut the expensive quarterback during the off-season. Tannehill could be cut after this season and the Titans could easily absorb the hit. He has the highest cap number in the NFL, but he is not deferring a huge amount of guaranteed money and there isn't a huge amount of bonus yet to amortize.

One interesting fact about practice squad QBs: they have a combined 10-67 record in the NFL. Combine that with the need to learn a new playbook and perhaps it's not a good plan to consider one.

So why did the Titans enter 2022 without a true backup to Tannehill? I'm sure they scouted Willis as an NFL arm with game-breaking running skills, but very, very raw. That's why he didn't go in the first round. He's a project. You look at other teams, and this type of project is protected in the third spot - never active for a game. So if they know Woodside can't do it, and he presumably knows the playbook, the mistake was made long ago, and I think it will cost them a playoff spot in the end.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

"Leader of Men"

I’d consider coaching football to be so much harder than the other sports and it’s puzzling that you’d attempt to shove a novice in there. Whereas MLB managers are virtually drones and NBA coaches are mostly about managing egos with some minor tactics.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by stevew

I’d consider coaching football to be so much harder than the other sports and it’s puzzling that you’d attempt to shove a novice in there. Whereas MLB managers are virtually drones and NBA coaches are mostly about managing egos with some minor tactics.

https://twitter.com/AndrewSiciliano/...s-01ghaf3acz4m

https://twitter.com/cjzero/status/15...s-01ghaf3acz4m

He's smarter than us Steve, don't question it.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

So why did the Titans enter 2022 without a true backup to Tannehill? I'm sure they scouted Willis as an NFL arm with game-breaking running skills, but very, very raw. That's why he didn't go in the first round. He's a project. You look at other teams, and this type of project is protected in the third spot - never active for a game. So if they know Woodside can't do it, and he presumably knows the playbook, the mistake was made long ago, and I think it will cost them a playoff spot in the end.

I don't think entering an NFL season without a "real" backup is a sin, because if you want to say hey if our starter goes down we're screwed I get it, I just don't get wasting a roster spot on Logan Woodside if he wasn't going to play over Willis if Tannehill went down. Especially that given what Vrabel has asked Willis to do your emergency QB could've just been Derrick Henry running the single wing.

Granted the Patriots have somewhat done this recently with Brian Hoyer, but that dude is a better QB coach (and maybe OC) than anyone on staff, plus weirdly they have tried to play him first over Zappe when Mac is hurt.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by stevew

I’d consider coaching football to be so much harder than the other sports and it’s puzzling that you’d attempt to shove a novice in there. Whereas MLB managers are virtually drones and NBA coaches are mostly about managing egos with some minor tactics.

I don't think being a game day NFL head coach is very hard, provided you have a good staff/base. (I also think you underrate NBA head coaches - not a lot of practice time to adapt in the season, but we have seen a lot of tactical brilliance and seismic shifts in how the league plays going forward in the last decade.) It really is more like being a CEO than requiring X&O's knowledge at a certain point... like I think either of us could step in as HC for a game if a Bill Belichick or Andy Reid had to take a sick day, or if someone else did but a (prime) Tom Brady/Peyton Manning was the QB.

But if your team has no established culture, QB, OC, O-Line chemistry... that last one isn't something you can cobble together with upper quartile grit or whatever.

[Simbo Klice]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

But look at some other teams if they cut the expensive quarterback during the off-season. Tannehill could be cut after this season and the Titans could easily absorb the hit. He has the highest cap number in the NFL, but he is not deferring a huge amount of guaranteed money and there isn't a huge amount of bonus yet to amortize.

One interesting fact about practice squad QBs: they have a combined 10-67 record in the NFL. Combine that with the need to learn a new playbook and perhaps it's not a good plan to consider one.

So why did the Titans enter 2022 without a true backup to Tannehill? I'm sure they scouted Willis as an NFL arm with game-breaking running skills, but very, very raw. That's why he didn't go in the first round. He's a project. You look at other teams, and this type of project is protected in the third spot - never active for a game. So if they know Woodside can't do it, and he presumably knows the playbook, the mistake was made long ago, and I think it will cost them a playoff spot in the end.

The Titans have the AFC South pretty much secured already, the other 3 teams are in the bottom 8 of the NFL. I think giving Willis a baptism in fire before he was ready will be good for his development, especially since he can now go back to the bench instead of being under the gun to perform next week. As for Tannehill, I have to think he would have trade value if they wanted to move on after this year or they could amicably part ways after next year and presumably get a high tier comp pick.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by stevew

Seems weird to like not just promote an assistant. This is some XFL type stuff

Listened to the Athletic NFL show earlier, I found out that Gus Bradley and John Fox are on the staff. Scott Milanovich won a Grey Cup.

[RainMaker]

It sounds like the Commanders are about to be in legal trouble but this press release reads like they had something to do with the Brian Robinson shooting. It's the most bizarre thing I've read in awhile. Do they not have a PR department?

From a Commanders spokesperson regarding the DC AG press conference Tomorrow: pic.twitter.com/TIMVfbUYtp

— John Keim (@john_keim) November 9, 2022

[sterlingice]

Who knows? With the Commanders, maybe they were involved

SI

[stevew]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

"Leader of Men"

He literally did the “I can lead men” speech at a presser

[B & B]

Tannehill will be 35 next year with a 27M base salary.

Doubt he can be traded for anything more than a 4th?

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by B & B

Tannehill will be 35 next year with a 27M base salary.

Doubt he can be traded for anything more than a 4th?

So yeah... it does seem like time to talk about the market for not-great-but-not-bad quarterbacks. It seems like the forgotten marketplace in the NFL, to me.

Every QB who has a case as "elite" feels entitled to a market-setting deal... I'd start the clock on this modern approach with post-SB Joe Flacco. Then when Jay Cutler came up, he got his too, and both teams suffered for them. Lamar seems next, then maybe Tua, and in each case the agent and team both know the script... Lamar doesn't have to make the case he's better than Kyler or Rodgers or whomever, he just knows this is how top QBs work, you put up a big number.

But while the market seems clear on high-end guys, and also on the value of rookie-contract guys... what should the value be of guys who are solidly in the middle? Daniel Jones is playing his way into a new deal, I guess... but a couple of those teams who brought about caretakers at QB are not having it as bad as we might have guessed... Geno Smith and even Marcus Mariota (let's skip over last night) have not sunk their teams' chances, and in Smith's case he is downright elevating his team.

What does Baker Mayfield get next year if he remains in the NFL? Mitch Trubisky? Tannehill if he's on the open market? Just "solid backup money" (2022 Tyrod Taylor, Teddy Bridgewater) or are we about to develop a new tier for guys like that, where the list of relevant entries seems to be meaningful?

[larrymcg421]

Nice pump fake by Tua on the Dolphins first TD

[larrymcg421]

Browns cannot stop Jeff Wilson so far.

[Coffee Warlord]

Justin Fields. Dat boy run so good.