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07-31-2016, 07:12 PM | #1102 |
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Yeah he destroyed their biggest competitor and stance on concussions would seem to be something the NFL would like in the oval office.
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07-31-2016, 09:08 PM | #1103 |
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07-31-2016, 10:11 PM | #1104 |
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So is it insane to believe that maybe the GOP establishment plan is to get Trump elected and immediately impeach him?
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Almost as though what one actually says has something to do with the quality of the speech. If the DNC in 2004 had brought out the mother of a 9/11 victim to make a "Bush did 9/11" speech, that would have been manipulative and a bad speech just as Pat Smith's was. |
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Good lord the cheerleaders will defend everything about their side. I have no horse in the race between the two but the media coverage is outrageously slantled. There was actually an article from the LA Times on my newsfeed that talked about how a military coup could "plausably" happen if Trump was elected. (They actually said it was plausible!) I tape a rerun of a show every night at midnight and two weeks ago it aired basically uninterrupted. This week it wasn't even aired for one minute with nightline extra coverage every night of the Democratic convention. |
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08-01-2016, 12:13 AM | #1107 | |
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Totally crazy! That's like claiming the government forced a third party candidate to drop out of the race.
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08-01-2016, 02:16 AM | #1108 | |
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That'd be a Plan B if anything. I think their plan is to try to tear down Clinton to the point that nobody reaches 270 so the House can pick someone else. The problem with impeachment is I can completely see the Democrats going "oh hell no, you made this bed, you lie in it." The House can vote to impeach with a simple majority. The Senate needs a two-thirds majority to remove the impeached from office. What would be the Democrats' incentive to cooperate with Republican panic? "You spent a year telling the nation how we'd be much better off with Trump than with Clinton, so why are you freaking out now? You said you could control him, so go do it." |
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As you point out, it's a very thin balancing act. To win, he has to continue to do the things that'll get his base to come out in droves, while not also going too far so as to actively push people in the "middle" towards Clinton out of fear. A more saavy politician might be able to split the difference, but we're now seeing the trouble Trump is having with the spotlight completely focused on him. |
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I don't know about plan, but I could definitely see it being discussed. More likely, I would think, would be key GOP congressional leaders reaching out to Trump's circle and trying to suss out who's going to be in charge of legislation, and getting them on board. Aside from stuff he actually cares about, Trump is likely to be a rubber stamp for anything that his inner circle says is OK. Quote:
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Well, plus you impeach Trump, you get Pence. Arguably even worse for Democrats. I'd be surprised if the goal is to keep everyone below 270 (actually very difficult to do unless you're going to find a way to get Johnson & Stein electoral votes, which in itself is going to be very, very hard). It makes for an interesting question, though: would Trump or Clinton be more damaging to the GOP, long-term? Quote:
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So now "the media" is defined as a guy with a blog?
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Reply to Flere...
It was an editorial obviously but as irresponsible as I have ever seen from a major newspaper. I guess whatever it takes to sell papers and pander? Like I said take the cheerleading out of the equation I am a Johnson supporter who is completely happy with a Clinton presidency and with some fear of a Trump presidency. It doesn't mean I need newspapers using scare tactics like vote Clinton or the military will do the job for you. It's this sort of shit that really rallies Trump supporters as well and I can't say that I blame them. If Trump wins, a coup isn't impossible here in the U.S. - LA Times Last edited by panerd : 08-01-2016 at 08:25 AM. |
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08-01-2016, 08:45 AM | #1116 |
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The headline is misleading, but I agree the headline is irresponsible.
The article really just talks about the possibility of some members of the military refusing to follow illegal orders. Not sure that's a coup.
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Yeah, there's a guy from HS who posts a bunch of stuff to the effect of "hey, I don't really know but here's food for thought" (hint: he already has an opinion) and threw out one on if it was plausible for Johnson to siphon enough votes to throw it to the House. While the article he linked did have a 269/269 possibility, it was just from a wacky combo of red/blue. Don't think he quite understood how electoral votes worked, and that Johnson would actually have to get some. Never mind that there is no "somebody else" - the House has to pick someone who actually received electoral votes. Unless there are some faithless elector shenanigans...
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08-01-2016, 08:57 AM | #1118 | |
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Ted Cruz would no doubt be behind such a stupid plan.
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Without even talking about most of the piece here's the conclusion... Trump is not only patently unfit to be president, but a danger to America and the world. Voters must stop him before the military has to. |
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08-01-2016, 09:17 AM | #1121 |
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I mean, I agree with the first sentence of your two sentence conclusion.
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08-01-2016, 09:19 AM | #1122 |
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any new polls out since the DNC? Curious how much of a bump Clinton might have got from it.
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I've only seen one, and it was substantial. But not sure if it was an outlier, need to wait for more to come in.
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08-01-2016, 09:34 AM | #1124 | |
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I mean, it's an Op Ed by one guy. Paul Ryan has an Op Ed in the Washington Post this morning that HRC is unfit to get security briefings that would be standard up until the election. As an aside, unfit seems to be the word of this election cycle. But, for clarity, this is just one academic's opinion, not the LA Times editorial board. |
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And Kirchick isn't your typical leftie writer. He's written for a number of very conservative publications over his career.
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No, you have a vested interest in pretending as though you are a special snowflake for not being in lock-step agreement with every single issue on either platform put forward by the two major political parties. Everyone else is surely a mindless sheep except for you, the guy who reads and spells at roughly an 8th grade level. Gotta hear both sides, though. Care to expose that writer's hypocrisy by explaining either what was in Khizir Khan's speech to make it bad/exploitative (in which case you somehow manage to have a much more negative view of it than Paul Ryan and John McCain did despite having 'no horse in the race') or what made Pat Smith's speech (a speech so unremarkable that I hadn't seen any right-wing people bring it up until after Khan's to attempt to make a facile comparison between the two) actually powerful or effective? Last edited by nol : 08-01-2016 at 09:56 AM. |
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08-01-2016, 09:56 AM | #1127 | |
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A CBS poll came out this morning with Clinton +6 in 2-person race and +5 with Johnson included. Which I think is about where were before both conventions. Except Johnson was at 10% (in the new poll),which is at the higher end of where he's polled. Last edited by molson : 08-01-2016 at 11:06 AM. |
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Even though I don't agree with him on too much, I'm genuinely excited about the prospect of Johnson getting over 5% to get a third party back in the national spotlight. |
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Unfortunately he really needs to get to 15% to really have a chance at the national spotlight - by getting in the debates. Then again, listening to Trump, there may not be a debate .
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Don't mis-represent an editorial as an article. Especially in the day-and-age when major newspapers will let pretty much anyone write an editorial because pageviews. Quote:
Didn't think this was functionally possible, but it is: Electoral College Tie Combinations Utah's the only state where I've heard of a poll that has Johnson close to Trump/Clinton. So yeah, maybe he takes that, and then the other two split enough so that nobody gets 270. |
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The Libertarians have a huge ballot access problem as of today. They aren't currently on the ballot in states that account for almost 200 electoral votes. The map on their site doesn't make it clear which states they are likely to eventually get, but as of today they're nothing more than a potential spoiler in NC, FL and a few others.
https://www.lp.org/2016-presidential-ballot-access-map
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I think he polls pretty well in New Mexico and Colorado but don't know where you can find the breakdown online. I know New Mexico is where he actually pulled like 4% in 2012. |
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I get fundraising emails from them all the time worried about ballot access. I think that is just as much a fundraising thing as anything. They were on 49 in 2012 no reason to think they won't be on all of them this year. |
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Again, this isn't an editorial. An editorial is put forth by the editorial board of the paper and is an official representation of the paper's beliefs. An Op-Ed is one person's opinion, generally an outside contributor, as was the case with this one. The Op-Ed name actually comes from "opposite of editorial" because the contributor speaks alone and not for the paper or its board. |
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Good point, digamma.
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Colorado: RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - Colorado: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein New Mexico: RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - New Mexico: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson Utah: RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - Utah: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson Not a ton of data, not particularly close in any to winning, but decent double-digits. |
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Isn't it basically impossible to get on the ballot in Oklahoma though? Hmm, nvmd, they managed to get a zillion signatures in order to qualify. Last edited by stevew : 08-01-2016 at 11:09 AM. |
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But I assure you that Trump's hands are bigger than Clinton's.
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She should thank Obama for that big ass bounce.
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Great. Now Obama is redistributing votes.
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and considering shes not Trump, she probably will.
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Umm ... I think the "opposite" in the name stemmed from it's literal position in the paper, on the page "opposite" the traditional editorial page. The opinions are not necessarily contrarian.
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So today,
Trump has decided no more interviews with CNN because they are unfair Trump called a press conference to complain about a fire marshal Scottie Neil Hughes said Trump's sacrifice was working so hard he blew two marriages and the best Trump surrogates are now saying Captain Khan was a Muslim Brotherhood agent and was killed before he could hurt American troops
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He also called the election rigged.
If he loses (still an if, not a when), I don't think that he will concede. I think that he will contest the legitimacy of the election. Question will be whether the GOP leaders agree with him on that or if they break ranks. |
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