LXXVIII: Politicus Lupus (GAME OVER!! SEE POST #2593 FOR RESULTS)

[jeheinz72]

Isn't the majority the same?

[chesapeake]

No. The GOP now has a 7-6 majority. You had a lynch (Clap) and night kill (StC). We had 3 members defeated. So there are 16 remaining players but only 13 members of Congress.

[mccollins]

There's 16 people in the game so I'd say it's 9 for a majority whereas we needed 10 on day 1 with 18 people in the game.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by chesapeake

No. The GOP now has a 7-6 majority. You had a lynch (Clap) and night kill (StC). We had 3 members defeated. So there are 16 remaining players but only 13 members of Congress.

Yeah, but there are still 18 votes for bills and Speaker (right) and the GOP controls 10 of them.

(This correct my previous post where I counted people in the game instead of voting districts)

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Just a reminder.

The politicians holding two districts have twice the vote power in bills and in voting on roles like the Speaker. They cannot split this vote. They get one vote--it just counts twice.

This does not apply to the Wolf Vote. Everyone--including ousted Congressmen--still gets just one vote each in the Wolf Vote.

Yes, but look at this. There are 5 of us whose votes count twice. So there are still 18 votes out there, making the majority 10.

[jeheinz72]

Ok, yeah, you and I are on the same page collins. Majority is still 10.

[chesapeake]

Duh. I'm wrong. McC is right.

Jeheinz picked up Henry's dem seat in addition to his own.

[chesapeake]

But my original point is still valid. The GOP controls the majority.

[mccollins]

Indeed. My guess is that if we didn't have a speaker during the day on day 1 when we voted for Chubby, that we won't have one during the day today. Weird. A lot of the arguing about roles was assuming we'd always get to put 3 bills out there.

[KWhit]

Yes, I'm guessing we don't get the third bill today.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Anyway, I think the lesson from yesterday is to vote for who you think is a wolf, rather than voting for party lines. My guess is that a big part of the reason the Dems are in trouble now is that they voted out a non-wolf. I don't think losing clap even really hurt us from a Party power standpoint. So I'd suggest voting for wolves without worrying about what Party they're on, and I'll be encouraging my Party to do the same.

ummmm, WHAT!!!

WE ARE LOSING NOW BECAUSE CRONIN AND CLAP SABATOUGED US!!!!

and both are gone from the game now, got what they deserved if you ask me...

[jeheinz72]

Lathum, since you're hear, I'd love to know what in gods name you were doing last night.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Bingo Pass.

Especially Lathum. I don't think I want him back in his seat to be honest. That whole "Let's vote KWhit" then change back late shenanigan was ridiculous.

what's ridiculous about trying to save my own team mate?

What IS ridiculous is YOUR TEAM aranging for 2 of our members to lose their election

[Lathum]

still catching up

[EagleFan]

I am losing track of threads and don't have enough time to see if I did this yet:

vote PackerFanatic Speaker of the House

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Lathum

what's ridiculous about trying to save my own team mate?

What IS ridiculous is YOUR TEAM aranging for 2 of our members to lose their election

Well, why'd you vote KWhit then reverse directions?

And frankly, if Cronin/Clap did anything it was on their own from what I can tell. We slurried Henry or PF, i forget which.

I think the lost elections has more to do with the veto and the voting block on a villager that you guys pulled off.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Ya know, I find it downright hilarious that all game long the Dems have warned us Repubs about how we have to worry about getting re-elected, how we shouldn't go against their ideas because our constituents won't like it, how our bills are horribly unconstitutional and what happens?

3 dems lose their seats and the bill proposed by the Democratic Speaker gets ruled unconstitutional.

I'm not trying to play a partisan game here, but since frankly the tone of you Dems up to this point aggrivated me to the point of barely caring about the game yesterday, this deserves pointing out.

If nothing, since I think a 14:4 starting ratio would be too strong, it makes me think that if we're facing 3 wolves, 2 of them are Dems.

Are you kidding?

You have had one of the most obnoxious tones the whole game????

and you it's hilarious that 3 dems lose their seats, especially considering it was 2 repulicans that sabatouged us. But you and Pass have both conviently failed to mention that fact.




still catching up

[PackerFanatic]

jeheinz, I wish I knew what more I could say to convince you I am not a wolf.

As far as my nomination for Speaker, my party needs fuller representation in the whole of this Congress and I am the best chance they have at that. I hope the republicans will agree that having a republican President with a democratic speaker is a good thing to get things moving along toward our one and only goal - ridding this Congress of wolves.

VOTE PACKERFANATIC FOR SPEAKER

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Yes, I'm guessing we don't get the third bill today.

I asked CR about that this morning -- you're right.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by chesapeake

But my original point is still valid. The GOP controls the majority.

GOP has a 10-8 majority in terms of bills and votes on the floor (heinz taking over henry's spot being the only change). The Dems have a 9-7 majority in terms of voting for wolves (the only changes being cronin an clap removed).

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Political pundits continue to question why the Democrat Party took such a hit in this year's elections. Some media exit polls may have the answer, though.

A high percentage of disenchanted voters said they were bothered by two things in particular: former Speaker Chubby's decision to veto the Wolf Security Act in Year One, and then the partisan censuring of non-Wolf Representative claphamsa.

"We need to protect our brightest," opined one such voter, who said she was still bitter over the decision to not pass the bodyguard law last year. Just elected President illinifan999 has a new Wolf Security Bill on his desk, although it still contains the controversial wolf cunning clause that led to last year's veto.

"I know claphamsa was no saint, but he was clearly not a Wolf member," said another voter. "I don't know why the Democrats couldn't see it. Every single member of that party voted him out, and not one of the Republican did. That's why I voted for illinifan999."

There were also plenty of reports that the Republicans brought out the big guns, spending extravagantly in some key districts, and in particular, laying it on thick on Democrat Presidential candidate PackerFanatic.

"He's a good man and the right man for the job," said one PackerFanatic supporter. "It's a real shame they had to get dirty when they couldn't win fair."

The voters next chance to make a statement comes in two years, but for now, the Republican Party controls both Congress and the Presidency.

Originally Posted by Lathum

ummmm, WHAT!!!

WE ARE LOSING NOW BECAUSE CRONIN AND CLAP SABATOUGED US!!!!

and both are gone from the game now, got what they deserved if you ask me...

Lathum, this is CR's post 947. The part in bold disagrees with you.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

You guys could have helped yourselves out by voting for who you thought was a wolf, instead of for party lines.

i swear to god you guys are being so freaking obtuse. You do realize you all voted in a block for Henry?

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Are you kidding?

You have had one of the most obnoxious tones the whole game????

and you it's hilarious that 3 dems lose their seats, especially considering it was 2 repulicans that sabatouged us. But you and Pass have both conviently failed to mention that fact.

Yeah that's due to the tone of a large chunk of people on your side. Even chesapeake admitted to the fact that you guys basically put me in a corner with the Chubby/Speaker thing and then when I responded by actually helping you out, you slurried me anyways.

I'm not trying to ignore any fact that Cronin/Clap might have done something, but if they did, it was some portion of their individual politician power, nothing we as a party suggested or supported them doing. I haven't talked much to that end because it was neither caused by me nor effected me, so it doesn't make a lot of sense for me to.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Are you kidding?

You have had one of the most obnoxious tones the whole game????

and you it's hilarious that 3 dems lose their seats, especially considering it was 2 repulicans that sabatouged us. But you and Pass have both conviently failed to mention that fact.




still catching up

I haven't mentioned it because I've only heard it from you and Chubby. I think heinz asked what made you sure it was clap that did it. But if they did it, it wasn't something discussed by the Party.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Lathum

i swear to god you guys are being so freaking obtuse. You do realize you all voted in a block for Henry?

Uh, yeah, that's because after clap's vote you guys pretty much telegraphed how you were voting when you voted clap in 3 consecutive votes. We didn't have a whole lot of choice.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Lathum

i swear to god you guys are being so freaking obtuse. You do realize you all voted in a block for Henry?

You do realize you're talking to someone who DIDN'T vote for Henry?

[Passacaglia]

(i.e. me)

[jeheinz72]

Frankly, this game is pissing me off so much I may just abstain from voting for the speaker. I'll let someone else pick that fight. I'll be back at 5:55, 5 minutes before i leave with what I decide to do.

mini-Hulk angry.

[Lathum]

[quote=jeheinz72;1789598]Since the Dems are still preaching bi-partisanship (conveniently as they're the trailing party) [quote]

again, you say the dems are being annoying to the point of you didn't want to play yesterday, well WTF do you call this statement?

[Tyrith]

alright, well, at this point I'm really pretty ticked off at Lathum for getting so angry and for his machinations yesterday, and EagleFan's vote strikes me as either really silly or a wolf stirring up conversation about the probable next speaker. Mrs. S isn't bad because the usual play with somewhat quiet, inexperienced wolves is to talk even less, from my experience.

[Lathum]

Still catching up but you know what I find Ironic?

Heinze and Tyrith are slamming me for voting KWhit and then switching back, yet are slamming us for voting along party lines?

I switched back when Chesapeake returned and changed his vote, and I left plenty of time for pass or whoever else to switch back.

[Tyrith]

Alright, this is how it seemed to me, from someone that didn't see it in real time and caught up --

You said, hey, let's try to do something productive with this vote, and switched, and got someone else on our side -- which is mainly important because we can't know what kind of conversation you were having in the Dem thread -- to follow you. Then, without real warning or explanation, you switch back.

In a normal game this isn't so bad, but in this game it hurts because vote switches hurt us. If you can lead two or three villagers astray with your ploy and they wind up lynching a villager it could seriously hurt all of them -- as happened to you. It just wasn't a really good play all around, and of course we're going to look on it with suspicion -- and I still do.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

For Lathum when he gets in:

How did you know for certain that it was Clap who sabotaged you?

I was told in a PM it was him, same way we know St.Cronin also sabatouged henry or chubby, cant remember now

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I was told in a PM it was him, same way we know St.Cronin also sabatouged henry or chubby, cant remember now

You're going to understand how I'm not going to believe this until we get another report -- preferably from someone on our side of the aisle, which might not be forthcoming.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Lathum, since you're hear, I'd love to know what in gods name you were doing last night.

i dont understand the question

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Lathum

i dont understand the question

I think he's asking why you switched votes.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

You're going to understand how I'm not going to believe this until we get another report -- preferably from someone on our side of the aisle, which might not be forthcoming.

Right, because Chubby and I got together and concocted this story somehow?


unless we are both wolves the rest of our party would be aware of it.


the bottom line is 2 republicans sabatouged 2 democrats, the fact you claim they acted alone is irrelevant, they represent your party.

VOTE WOLF JEHEINZE

he is blatently leaving out facts and being beyond hypocritical

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I was told in a PM it was him, same way we know St.Cronin also sabatouged henry or chubby, cant remember now

Did you get the PM at the end of the day, or the end of the night?

[Tyrith]

"They represent your party", the exact kind of partisanship that's gotten us right where we are. Bravo.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I think he's asking why you switched votes.

i think I explained but yet again...

I didn't like KWhits vote and was playing the Wolf game, not politics. Both KWhit and chesapeaks votes stunk to me, so I went after KWhit, when chesapeak returned I saw a chance to save my party member and took it.

My party mates will also testify I was getting ALOT of preassure to switch back, so once the oppritunity was there I took it.

[oliegirl]

OK Guys, I just heard from CR...he is heading to lunch and then will be away from his desk until just before it's time for him to head home. He'll be able to answer questions about 2 pm PT (5 pm ET) but after that, nothing will be answered until he gets home. Please send any questions you have in now so I can get everything to him asap. Thanks!!!!

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Did you get the PM at the end of the day, or the end of the night?

I have no idea if this is against the rules or not but I got the PM at 12:45.


and I encourge everyone to pay attention to the way Heinze and Tyrith are making this thread about me and not politics or other wolves or voting patterns

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I have no idea if this is against the rules or not but I got the PM at 12:45.


and I encourge everyone to pay attention to the way Heinze and Tyrith are making this thread about me and not politics or other wolves or voting patterns

Or other wolves.

Freudian slip much?

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

OK Guys, I just heard from CR...he is heading to lunch and then will be away from his desk until just before it's time for him to head home. He'll be able to answer questions about 2 pm PT (5 pm ET) but after that, nothing will be answered until he gets home. Please send any questions you have in now so I can get everything to him asap. Thanks!!!!

Ack. I just emailed him a proposed bill to see if it would pass judicial review.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Or other wolves.

Freudian slip much?

gimme a break, can you try any harder to get me lynched?

I challenge anyone to find a game where I make a mistake like that.

[Lathum]

Another thing, if we think the wolves are split 2-2 between parties ( which both parties have claimed they believe) we should be voting for a republican for lynch. It gives us a 7-2 chance of finding a wolf instead of a 9-2 chance.

[Tyrith]

First time for everything, buddy. And you do seem pretty flustered, wolf or not.

There are other concerns for me, right now, too. I don't want to lynch Mrs. S because it will give someone three districts. EagleFan has some of that same potential, as his district could fall to PF. Leaving us with...what? KWhit? Same problem.

Now, if someone can give me something harder I will go ahead and vote in one of these directions. However, I feel that it's important to see a debate through, because inconclusive issues don't give information, one way or another. If you get lynched and turn up good, I'm probably dead. I might just have to accept that risk. What's the next best alternative?

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Another thing, if we think the wolves are split 2-2 between parties ( which both parties have claimed they believe) we should be voting for a republican for lynch. It gives us a 7-2 chance of finding a wolf instead of a 9-2 chance.

And then it will turn into a crusade against the Republicans. Which, if it's NOT 2-2 wolves, but is either 2-1 or 3-1 towards the Democrats, will totally hose us.

[Tyrith]

I don't care what side the lynchee is on today, btw.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

I don't care what side the lynchee is on today, btw.

lol, if you are a villager wanting to catch wolves there is no way you can say that