Star Wars 9 - The Rise of Skywalker

[Vince, Pt. II]

If this was "Space Biff" I would have thought it was a pretty solid action sci-fi flick. Since it's the culmination of the crazy Star Wars phenomenon with all the preconceptions and expectations that go along with it, I think it was pretty ok. Overall I enjoyed it possibly the most of the recent trilogy.

I think I'm most excited for the prospect of more Star Wars content like Rogue One and The Mandalorian that can get away from the Skywalker saga.

[CrimsonFox]

The C3PO/r2 thing was poorly done. As soon as C3PO discovered that he wouldn't remember anyone...I really felt for him as well as R2. And when they met again it was heartbreaking yet a great takeoff point for some great scenes...aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand they just threw it away and immediately resolved it by giving his memory back IMMEDIATELY :P opportunity missed

[JediKooter]

Absolutely loved it. Sad that it is the end of the Skywalker family saga though. The ending left me wanting more Rey, Finn & Poe stories as it seemed like they were finally getting their feet under them as leaders and not just doing what someone is telling them to do, so it would be cool to see where they go and what they do next.

Really looking forward to Season 2 of The Mandalorian, The Kenobi series and the Cassian Andor series & a new trilogy of movies. This is 8 year old me's dream come true with all the Star Wars that will be out there.

[Mota]

Originally Posted by JediKooter

Absolutely loved it. Sad that it is the end of the Skywalker family saga though. The ending left me wanting more Rey, Finn & Poe stories as it seemed like they were finally getting their feet under them as leaders and not just doing what someone is telling them to do, so it would be cool to see where they go and what they do next.

Really looking forward to Season 2 of The Mandalorian, The Kenobi series and the Cassian Andor series & a new trilogy of movies. This is 8 year old me's dream come true with all the Star Wars that will be out there.

Actually, the trilogy has been cancelled. The latest news is that all new Star Wars material will be on Disney + for the time being.

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by Mota

Actually, the trilogy has been cancelled. The latest news is that all new Star Wars material will be on Disney + for the time being.

Well that sucks. I was hoping for a Old Republic series of movies. Welp, back to playing KOTOR on my xbox.

[spleen1015]

I thought Kevin Feige has started working on a Star Wars movie?

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

I thought Kevin Feige has started working on a Star Wars movie?

Oh interesting! Last I heard was Rian Johnson still had a new trilogy on his plate but I don't remember seeing any kind of release dates. That was a few weeks ago though. So, it's possible that Johnson's trilogy has been scrapped and Feige has now stepped in?

[spleen1015]

As far as I know, the Game of Thrones dudes aren't doing their trilogy any more.

Rian Johnson's trilogy hasn't been officially cancelled yet, but rumors are that it has been.

Then the Kevin Feige news came out a few months ago and I think it's still on.

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

As far as I know, the Game of Thrones dudes aren't doing their trilogy any more.

Rian Johnson's trilogy hasn't been officially cancelled yet, but rumors are that it has been.

Then the Kevin Feige news came out a few months ago and I think it's still on.

Oh yes! Totally forgot the Game of Thrones dudes were out. Well, if Johnson's still a go AND Feige is in as well, then I'm all in!

[molson]

The news on future Star Wars movies has been pretty vague, but I personally expect we're not going to get anything for a while - the last three movies have been disappointing for Disney at the box office, and one (Solo) was a bomb.

I wouldn't be surprised if the focus was Disney+ for the next 5 years. Disney is going to need to continuously add content to get new subscribers, bring cancelled subscribers back, etc., and the Mandalorian seems to have been very relevant in pop culture discussion, etc. I think TV tends to be less "controversial" too in terms of backlash, bad press, toxic fandom, etc. A divisive TV show will be more quickly forgotten.

Or maybe Disney can find a way to produce smaller-scale Star Wars movies that don't need to make a billion dollars to be considered successful. The Star Wars franchise just isn't as big as Marvel, especially internationally, and I think there's just a ceiling on how good these movies can do, especially if they go outside the Skywalker story and build exclusively around characters nobody has any nostalgia for. I doubt a new random Star Wars movie with nobody we've ever heard of does $300 million global at this point. (Solo did $392.) Basically John Wick level. I don't know if that's worth it.

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by molson

The news on future Star Wars movies has been pretty vague, but I personally expect we're not going to get anything for a while - the last three movies have been disappointing for Disney at the box office, and one (Solo) was a bomb.

I wouldn't be surprised if the focus was Disney+ for the next 5 years. Disney is going to need to continuously add content to get new subscribers, bring cancelled subscribers back, etc., and the Mandalorian seems to have been very relevant in pop culture discussion, etc. I think TV tends to be less "controversial" too in terms of backlash, bad press, toxic fandom, etc. A divisive TV show will be more quickly forgotten.

Or maybe Disney can find a way to produce smaller-scale Star Wars movies that don't need to make a billion dollars to be considered successful. The Star Wars franchise just isn't as big as Marvel, especially internationally, and I think there's just a ceiling on how good these movies can do, especially if they go outside the Skywalker story and build exclusively around characters nobody has any nostalgia for. I doubt a new random Star Wars movie with nobody we've ever heard of does $300 million global at this point.

I know Solo did horrible at the box office (loved the movie by the way), but, the sequel trilogy seems to have done some very very good numbers. Admittedly, I say that not knowing what Disney's expectations were for box office numbers.

Episode 7: $2,068,223,624
Episode 8: $1,332,539,889
Episode 9: $774,829,514 (and counting)

I don't think Star Wars would fit well in a Avengers format/formula of movies, but, like you said, if they can get a good string of TV shows going and then piggy back off of those into movies, I think that could possibly work. Either way though, I'm happy to have more Star Wars and hope that there are less duds than there are good ones, even though it is inevitable that there will be some less than stellar entries that will come out in the future.

I'd be totally down for smaller scale Star Wars movies. The hard part is finding that magic formula that will work and draw in the fans. The diehards like me will still eat them up though, unless they are Roger Corman Galaxy of Terror bad.

I'm torn, but, in a way I agree with you that I wouldn't be surprised if Disney sat on any movies for a few years. Let the movies take a back seat for a bit (I wouldn't be disappointed if they didn't though), see how well Disney+ can do with their series and then go from there.

Shoot, just remembered Season 7 of the Clone Wars should be out soon!

[molson]

The Last Jedi started strong but had really bad legs and was completely rejected by a lot of international markets like China.

I think there was hope that 9 would do better than 8, but it will probably settle around a billion. Which most people seem to think is a pretty disappointing way to close out the Skywalker story.

I do kind of wonder if the expectations for 8 and 9 were too high because 7 was just so massive. But the general consensus is that Star Wars is a fading box office franchise.

And I say this as someone who can never get enough Star Wars.

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by molson

The Last Jedi started strong but had really bad legs and was completely rejected by a lot of international markets like China.

I think there was hope that 9 would do better than 8, but it will probably settle around a billion. Which most people seem to think is a pretty disappointing way to close out the Skywalker story.

I do kind of wonder if the expectations for 8 and 9 were too high because 7 was just so massive. But the general consensus is that Star Wars is a fading box office franchise.

And I say this as someone who can never get enough Star Wars.

Audiences are really finicky that's for sure and Star Wars fans can be their own worst enemy in my opinion. I don't think 9 will pop 2 Billion, but, more around 8's numbers like you said.

Funny enough, 7 is the one I liked the least of the new trilogy, but it will definitely be the overall box office winner. I wonder why people think it's a fading franchise? Oh well, their loss in my opinion, haha!

I can't get enough of it either, but, I'm the kid that got grounded by my mom because I wouldn't stop talking about Star Wars.

[Kodos]

I'm still very much into Star Wars, and looking forward to the next round of movies / TV shows. Who knew we'd still be getting stuff 42 years later after A New Hope?!?

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by Kodos

I'm still very much into Star Wars, and looking forward to the next round of movies / TV shows. Who knew we'd still be getting stuff 42 years later after A New Hope?!?

Same here man! I remember getting Splinter of the Minds Eye a year or so after A New Hope came out and thought that it was going to be the sequel. Then the Han Solo adventure trilogy of books held me over until Empire Strikes Back came out. Oh...and the Holiday Special that came out in 78, but, other than that, that was really it back then.

[stevew]

Been watching Rebels on Disney +. It’s ok thus far.

[CrimsonFox]

i kinda find all star wars movies dull really. Mainly because they are all the same. No surprises. Same action, same jokes, same drama, same plots.

I'd rather just play a star wars video game

But actually Solo was the only one lately that I truly enjoyed.

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by stevew

Been watching Rebels on Disney +. It’s ok thus far.

I'm not the biggest fan of it. Definitely like the Clone Wars much much better.

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

i kinda find all star wars movies dull really. Mainly because they are all the same. No surprises. Same action, same jokes, same drama, same plots.

I'd rather just play a star wars video game

But actually Solo was the only one lately that I truly enjoyed.

I can definitely see how the movies aren't for everyone or just isn't their cup of tea. I don't like Game of Thrones, but, I can't dispute there's something about the series that appeals to its fans or it wouldn't be as popular as it is/was.

The games are so hit or miss with Star Wars especially once EA took over them. I would love it if they did an overhaul (i.e. graphics update) of the X-Wing and Tie Fighter series of games. Just take my money on that already!!

Solo was a very enjoyable movie indeed! It made me want more young Han/Younger Chewbacca and young Lando movies.

[CrimsonFox]

The thing is I LOVE star wars and the star wars universe . It's just that the prequels well there's no new plot. And the latest ones it's pretty much the same plot. I loved some of th the actors tho and some of the stuff in it. I wasn't whining about last jedi or anything. But just watching them. It's just all kinda predictable. And too overdramatic at times.

[CrimsonFox]

And yeah game of thrones bleh

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

And yeah game of thrones bleh

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and the same goes for The Wire

[CrimsonFox]

JK, the best SW games ever were Star Wars Knights of the Old Replublic. So fantastic. I also thoroughly enjoyed the MMO The Old Reupblic. Broke serious new ground for mmos

I even played the orginal SWMMO, SW Galaxies. As flawed and empty as it was. I loved the Tuskan Raider castle raids

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

The thing is I LOVE star wars and the star wars universe . It's just that the prequels well there's no new plot. And the latest ones it's pretty much the same plot. I loved some of th the actors tho and some of the stuff in it. I wasn't whining about last jedi or anything. But just watching them. It's just all kinda predictable. And too overdramatic at times.

I think JJ played it too safe with The Force Awakens and that got the ball rolling on a lot of the plots points feeling like they were nothing new. That's my guess at least haha!

Yea, Game of Thrones, The Wire & Breaking Bad, I could just not get into.

Oh man, I was very tempted to load up KOTOR this past weekend. I absolutely loved 1 & 2. I didn't really get a chance to play the Old Republic for more than about a month after it came out and feel I missed out. Loved SW Galaxies!! I even found a sight that reversed engineered the game and was still able to play it years after it was killed. Nothing like getting chased by those brontosaurus looking creatures on Corellia or was it Dantooine?

[spleen1015]

It all goes back to the Last Jedi.

These movies make billions because a lot of people who aren't Star Wars geeks or Marvel geeks go see them. The Last Jedi was so damn bad that the average movie goer doesn't want to go see 9.

My wife and daughter don't know shit about Star Wars and they were looking forward to 8. They couldn't give a shit about 9 after 8.

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

It all goes back to the Last Jedi.

These movies make billions because a lot of people who aren't Star Wars geeks or Marvel geeks go see them. The Last Jedi was so damn bad that the average movie goer doesn't want to go see 9.

I am curious though, why do you think it was so bad? In my opinion, The Last Jedi's biggest shortcoming was the Casino sequence. A completely missed opportunity to re-introduce Lando into the story.

[molson]

Has there ever been a movie with a higher Rotten Tomatoes critic score (91%), that is constantly described as just objectively "bad"? If there's anything that can sum up the divisiveness of Star Wars and why TV may be the way to go for them, that's it.

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by molson

Has there ever been a movie with a higher Rotten Tomatoes critic score (91%), that is constantly described as just objectively "bad"? If there's anything that can sum up the divisiveness of Star Wars and why TV may be the way to go for them, that's it.

One issue I've noticed with the criticisms of the new movies is, some people don't sound like they were paying attention to what was going on or what was said. For example, in Rise of Skywalker,

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I saw many people complaining about the force healing power and why it was never mentioned before. Never mind the Emperor LITERALLY said, "That's a power I have not seen in generations".

Also, people have a tendency to call things plot holes when it's just them not agreeing with the story. If something is not explained, that doesn't make it a plot hole.

[molson]

Originally Posted by JediKooter

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I saw many people complaining about the force healing power and why it was never mentioned before. Never mind the Emperor LITERALLY said, "That's a power I have not seen in generations".

Spoiler for The Mandalorian

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I think that also goes to show that people are willing to be much less cynical about Star Wars TV shows, maybe because they have less specific expectations. We saw force healing on that show too, but without the backlash. Instead, I hear more that people want Jon Favreau to take over Star Wars. But I think the Mandalorian would have bombed as a stand-alone movie - and would have been picked apart about pace, things that weren't explained enough, etc.

[Warhammer]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

It all goes back to the Last Jedi.

These movies make billions because a lot of people who aren't Star Wars geeks or Marvel geeks go see them. The Last Jedi was so damn bad that the average movie goer doesn't want to go see 9.

My wife and daughter don't know shit about Star Wars and they were looking forward to 8. They couldn't give a shit about 9 after 8.

Exactly, not to mention Star Wars fans like me who saw 8 and have no desire to see 9.

The whole reason why the critics loved 8 was it subverted a lot of what came before. That makes it trendy and cool in the eyes of the critics. A Space Opera is not supposed to be subverting things. That is for hard core sci-fi or film noir stuff, Star Wars is neither of those.

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by molson

Spoiler for The Mandalorian

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I think that also goes to show that people are willing to be much less cynical about Star Wars TV shows, maybe because they have less specific expectations. We saw force healing on that show too, but without the backlash. Instead, I hear more that people want Jon Favreau to take over Star Wars. But I think the Mandalorian would have bombed as a stand-alone movie - and would have been picked apart about pace, things that weren't explained enough, etc.

Without a doubt. The Mandalorian would have been raked over the coals due to its pacing. There's a lot of walking in the Mandalorian (Sorry for the spoiler). If the movies went in a different direction than what I was expecting, that's on me, not the movie.

In the end, it's all just entertainment and that's how I approach the shows and the movies. I don't expect my life to be changed by them or anything like that. I just want to be entertained for a couple of hours, which I felt the new trilogy did and so far, The Mandalorian has as well.

[sabotai]

This guy pretty much summed up my big problem with this movie and JJ Abrams in general (except for what he says about what they should have done with Po and Finn).

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by JediKooter

I am curious though, why do you think it was so bad? In my opinion, The Last Jedi's biggest shortcoming was the Casino sequence. A completely missed opportunity to re-introduce Lando into the story.

There were a lot of things.

That was not Luke Skywalker.
The super Leia scene was ridiculously bad.
The whole casino planet part of the plot was terrible.
Rose is a terrible character.
I don't even remember the details but the plot with Laura Dern's character was so dumb. I know this is science fiction but the whole idea was not believable in any way.
Rey's parent's being revealed to be nobodies was dumb.
The Snoke plot and they way he was killed off was dumb.

If you take the lightsabers out of that movie, it is just a really bad scifi movie.

As I said earlier in this thread after seeing 9, Disney screwed this up in a big way. There was so much more potential with these characters and the story ideas. I don't even feel like 8 fits with 7 & 9 and that's on Disney.

Rian Johnson was quoted as saying that catering to the Star Wars fans is a bad idea. That's the problem with 8. He wanted to change Star Wars. You don't need to change it or try to make it art. Make it a good Star Wars movie.

[Warhammer]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

There were a lot of things.

That was not Luke Skywalker.
The super Leia scene was ridiculously bad.
The whole casino planet part of the plot was terrible.
Rose is a terrible character.
I don't even remember the details but the plot with Laura Dern's character was so dumb. I know this is science fiction but the whole idea was not believable in any way.
Rey's parent's being revealed to be nobodies was dumb.
The Snoke plot and they way he was killed off was dumb.

If you take the lightsabers out of that movie, it is just a really bad scifi movie.

As I said earlier in this thread after seeing 9, Disney screwed this up in a big way. There was so much more potential with these characters and the story ideas. I don't even feel like 8 fits with 7 & 9 and that's on Disney.

Rian Johnson was quoted as saying that catering to the Star Wars fans is a bad idea. That's the problem with 8. He wanted to change Star Wars. You don't need to change it or try to make it art. Make it a good Star Wars movie.

I agree with the most of the points, but I actually like Rose's character. It furthered Finn's character a bit and broadened the impact of the characters, I liked that.

I was not against the casino part of the plot, how they executed it was bad. I looked at it as Rian Johnson subverting his own plot points. Anyone can be someone, therefore the guy they need is not the one they were going to get for it. If that is the case, why not find someone from the Rebel fleet and get the job done? Or was the guy special, just not THAT special?

Also, spot on with that not being Luke. Luke turned his father, who had been consumed by the Dark Side for his entire life. Yet, his nephew, who had some dark to him, he was freaked out by? Come on.

Rian Johnson would have been fine to do one of the peripheral stories, not one of the main line movies. He is what was wrong with 8, and what was wrong with 8 led to the lackluster performance of 9.

Heck, AotC, which is the next worse movie in the series was still, for all its faults, a Star Wars movie. I watched ep 1, 3 times in the theater and ep 3 twice in the theater. Its not that I won't go watch SW movies in the theater if they are Star Wars movies, but to spleen1015's point, take out the lightsabers and TLJ is BAD sci fi. That said, it would be a wonderful MST3K movie.

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

There were a lot of things.

1. That was not Luke Skywalker.
2. The super Leia scene was ridiculously bad.
3. The whole casino planet part of the plot was terrible.
4. Rose is a terrible character.
5. I don't even remember the details but the plot with Laura Dern's character was so dumb. I know this is science fiction but the whole idea was not believable in any way.
6. Rey's parent's being revealed to be nobodies was dumb.
7. The Snoke plot and they way he was killed off was dumb.

If you take the lightsabers out of that movie, it is just a really bad scifi movie.

As I said earlier in this thread after seeing 9, Disney screwed this up in a big way. There was so much more potential with these characters and the story ideas. I don't even feel like 8 fits with 7 & 9 and that's on Disney.

Rian Johnson was quoted as saying that catering to the Star Wars fans is a bad idea. That's the problem with 8. He wanted to change Star Wars. You don't need to change it or try to make it art. Make it a good Star Wars movie.

1 - That was indeed Luke Skywalker. He had the living shit scared out of him and after Kylo and the Knights of Ren wiped out his academy and his students, he felt the best thing for the galaxy was to put an end to the jedi. Yoda set him straight though and told him to stop being a little bitch and help.

2 - I honestly thought that was where they would kill Leia due to Carrie Fisher's passing and I would have been ok with that. It would have added even more 'baggage' to Kylo Ren's story because now he has killed both of his parents. It didn't go that way and I was completely fine with the decision they made. On a technical aspect though, they could have handled the scene better.

3- This pretty much the only one I can agree with you on. The Casino scene, I felt was a wasted opportunity to re-introduce Lando. It should have been, he knows a slicer (Benicio Del Toro's character), but, they have to bust him out.

4 - I found nothing wrong with Rose's character. I was hoping that her and Finn's relationship would have been developed more in Episode 9 though.

5 - I'm not sure why Holdo's character didn't make sense. She was second in command, Leia was down for the count, so she assumed command. The ramming at light speed scene was one of the best scenes in the entire 9 movies.

6 - I felt that Kylo saying Rey's parents were 'no ones' was just another lie, because in order to get her to join him. Come to find out, he was indeed lying. I was really hoping she was Luke's daughter though.

7 - I thought it was pretty cool how Kylo killed Snoke. Once that wore off, it got the gears in my head creaking, on who is really pulling the strings and there is something much bigger going on we don't know about yet.

The only problem with the new characters is, they had to give up more screen time and character development due to still having a good portion of the original trilogy characters to give screen time to. Rey, Poe & Finn really need their own series or pair of movies without the legacy characters. Which, after watching Episode 9, left me wanting exactly that. I think they really finally felt like a team in Episode 9.

I feel that Rian Johnson did make an excellent Star Wars movie and would have loved to see him do Episode 9. And I do agree with him that catering to Star Wars fans is a bad idea and the reason is, they (me included) all have in our minds how we think it should go and when that doesn't happen, now you have a bunch of people complain that Rian shot their dog and called their momma a ho. It's impossible to please 100% of the fans 100% of the time, so you have to cut bate and make the best movie you feel you can make.

If you don't like any of how the sequel trilogy went, that's ok. Nothing wrong with disliking the direction the movies went. I lost all interest in Game of Thrones as soon as I saw a dragon, I was like, "Nope, I'm out" when I saw it. I HATE dragons except for two instances, Dragon Slayer and Reign of Fire (for all its glorious ridiculousness). However, I'm of the opinion that, just because we feel something is 'dumb', doesn't mean that a movie or series is bad.

[Warhammer]

Originally Posted by JediKooter

1 - That was indeed Luke Skywalker. He had the living shit scared out of him and after Kylo and the Knights of Ren wiped out his academy and his students, he felt the best thing for the galaxy was to put an end to the jedi. Yoda set him straight though and told him to stop being a little bitch and help.

But Luke brushes up, or taps into depending upon how you look at it, against the Dark Side in RotJ in his fight with Vader. That is the whole point of him looking at his mechanical hand and looking at the arm of Vader after he cut off his hand. He rejects it and throws his lightsaber away. Also, let's not forget his failure in the cave in ESB.

It is a part in every Jedi's training. For him to all of a sudden be scared of it then? He's had two run ins with it himself. He brought his father back from it. I don't buy that it scared him that much after what he went through in the original trilogy.

What I could have bought into, would have been something along the lines of Anakin's fall and the effect it had on Obi-Wan. Because Luke had all these run ins with the Dark Side of the Force and overcame them, he becomes full of pride and over confident. Despite his efforts, Ben Solo still succumbs and then Luke becomes disillusioned. The problem there is it would have been a lot more, been there, done that with the new trilogy which already suffers from that.

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by Warhammer

But Luke brushes up, or taps into depending upon how you look at it, against the Dark Side in RotJ in his fight with Vader. That is the whole point of him looking at his mechanical hand and looking at the arm of Vader after he cut off his hand. He rejects it and throws his lightsaber away. Also, let's not forget his failure in the cave in ESB.

It is a part in every Jedi's training. For him to all of a sudden be scared of it then? He's had two run ins with it himself. He brought his father back from it. I don't buy that it scared him that much after what he went through in the original trilogy.

What I could have bought into, would have been something along the lines of Anakin's fall and the effect it had on Obi-Wan. Because Luke had all these run ins with the Dark Side of the Force and overcame them, he becomes full of pride and over confident. Despite his efforts, Ben Solo still succumbs and then Luke becomes disillusioned. The problem there is it would have been a lot more, been there, done that with the new trilogy which already suffers from that.

I would have been totally ok with what you proposed because it would still fit Luke being Luke in my opinion.

My interpretation of Luke in The Last Jedi: In Return of the Jedi, he almost struck down the Emperor but Vader blocked not only his lightsaber, but, blocked Luke turning to the dark side. In the flashback in The Last Jedi, he blocked himself from killing Ben and (though from Ben's point of view, Luke DID try to strike him down) he realized that things keep repeating themselves and something has to break that cycle. So, his plan was to exile himself and distance himself from the force to try and break that cycle. Simply put, Luke was wrong in that thinking. Luke tried to do what he thought was the right thing to do though. He feared what was in Rey because he knew

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The Emperor could not be redeemed like his father could.

It took Rey pestering him for help and Yoda smacking him upside the head telling him to get with the program and accept & learn from your failures as much as you celebrate your successes. Yoda also explained that the hubris is in thinking a jedi has to be perfect or always knows the correct path/answer and to beat the bad guys, he will have to embrace things that may not seem like the jedi way of doing things.

Throughout Luke's character arc, he has always tried to do what he thought was the right thing to do, even if it seemed like it wasn't the best decision and not very well thought out. His failure in the cave (which Luke didn't understand at the time) and the instant he realizes that if he strikes down Vader, then looks at his mechanical hand and realizing what he was about to do was wrong, are because of his rash decisions, based on what he thought was the right thing to do. He almost killed Vader so he could protect his sister, he almost killed Ben to protect the galaxy, but, he stopped short both times because he realized that if he did, he would fall to the dark side and nothing would really change. All of that is my interpretation of the last 2 movies and why I really don't have a problem with Luke's character in the sequel trilogy.

Sorry for being super rambly. I admit that there are counter points to what I've said, but, I think it's more a matter of opinion than anything else. Would I have liked to see Luke kick some First Order ass throughout the sequel trilogy and not just at the end of The Last Jedi? Heck yea! But, I'm not disappointed with what we got.

[bob]

Am I the only person that watched Eps 7 - 9 that never had the thought "wonder if Poe and Finn are gay together"? People are pissed that didn't happen in Ep 9, and I have no idea where the thought even came from.

[Kodos]

That probably would have made my brother-in-law's head explode. He already hates Disney for ruining Star Wars (which I think stems from Rey being the protagonist and Disney being "too PC").

[CrimsonFox]

lol no one is saying 9 is "bad". that's pure nerdrage

[Brian Swartz]

Just saw it tonight and I'll say it was bad - and that's as generous as I can be to it. I went in with very low expectations. The movie cleared them, but not by much. It was better than, for example, Ad Astra. There were good moments in it. But on the whole, the relentless trend toward trampling on what made Star Wars great to those of us who grew up as fans of the original trilogy not only continued but was doubled and tripled down on.

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by JediKooter

It's impossible to please 100% of the fans 100% of the time, so you have to cut bate and make the best movie you feel you can make.

Sure, but IMO this isn't about pleasing all the fans all the time. It's about making movies that fit into the Star Wars franchise, based on what JJ Abrams said was his source for canon before Ep. 7, the original trilogy. None of the most recent trilogy fits there, but esp not 8 & 9. What bothers me isn't that they went a different direction than I wanted them to. I would have been fine if Rey plunged the entire galaxy into a new era of Sith domination for example, even though that would have pissed off a lot of people. What I'm not fine with is the trashing of the Star Wars legacy by just basically saying 'anything goes'.

[stevew]

I just watched Solo again. That’s a great Star Wars movie. Kinda bummed we won’t likely get more Crimson Dawn stuff. But I suppose if Emelia Clarke keeps throwing up box office bombs maybe she could reprise her role on the obi wan show.

I am curious if Snoke=Sidious was always the plan or if episode 8 wrote them into such a corner that it was the only pathway out. Really wish they’d make some Sidious stand alone project. They should be doing more animated stuff and one off stuff.

[Swaggs]

Watched it once and then went back to see it in 3D.

Above average for me. I agree with the earlier post about just getting accustomed to the team (Rey, Finn, Poe, Chewy, the droids) and would have liked to see them work together more. The scene where they were looking for the locator was great. It’s hard for me not to compare this trilogy to the Guardians of the Galaxy films, and it sure seemed like they fleshed out 5-10 Guardians characters better in 120 minutes than they did with the SW characters.

The worst part for me, by far after two viewings, were the Palpatine scenes. Lines were cheesy, particularly when he narrated how Rey was going to become empress. Super cringeworthy. Plus the scenes were way too dark. That felt lazy to me.

The best was hitting the right tone on nostalgia. Chewy learning about Leia, every Lando scene, and C3PO with the looking at his friends piece were all well done. I also liked the new characters they introduced. The Keri Russell character could have been utilized way more, but maybe they have something else in mind for her. Ditto the tribe of ex-storm troopers. Knowing Disney, they’ll all get series, I guess.

[molson]

How was the 3D?

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Watched it once and then went back to see it in 3D.

Above average for me. I agree with the earlier post about just getting accustomed to the team (Rey, Finn, Poe, Chewy, the droids) and would have liked to see them work together more. The scene where they were looking for the locator was great. It’s hard for me not to compare this trilogy to the Guardians of the Galaxy films, and it sure seemed like they fleshed out 5-10 Guardians characters better in 120 minutes than they did with the SW characters.

The worst part for me, by far after two viewings, were the Palpatine scenes. Lines were cheesy, particularly when he narrated how Rey was going to become empress. Super cringeworthy. Plus the scenes were way too dark. That felt lazy to me.

The best was hitting the right tone on nostalgia. Chewy learning about Leia, every Lando scene, and C3PO with the looking at his friends piece were all well done. I also liked the new characters they introduced. The Keri Russell character could have been utilized way more, but maybe they have something else in mind for her. Ditto the tribe of ex-storm troopers. Knowing Disney, they’ll all get series, I guess.

They absolutely set up a movie about the leader of the ex-troopers. I can't remember the exact line, but something like, "that's a story for another time."

[ColtCrazy]

I enjoy the Star Wars movies. Even the less popular ones I find entertaining. I thought Solo was pretty good, for example. What has always bothered me is the fact that the best Star Wars video games are decades old. I loved KOTOR. I loved TIE Fighter and X-Wing Alliance. I just never understand why they haven't made an open world game in the Star Wars universe like No Man's Sky. Even a basic plot would suffice because many would just be tickled wondering around the universe. Or a game where you just flew combat missions in TIEs or X-Wings or whatever. Seems they miss out on the simple things when it comes to video games. That said, I can't wait for the Lego Skywalker game because I get to mess around with the classic parts of the movies.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

They absolutely set up a movie about the leader of the ex-troopers. I can't remember the exact line, but something like, "that's a story for another time."

I thought that tied into some abandoned plot whereby that black girl was possibly Lando’s daughter. His child had been kidnapped.

[stevew]

And whomever suggested Lando should have been in the Casino planet is spot on. It’s so perfect that I’m pissed they didn’t use it. Along with a bunch of other dumb stuff/missed opportunities in Last Jedi

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by molson

How was the 3D?

Nothing game changing, but I thought it was pretty well done. The spaceship scenes were the best. I don’t remember there being any scenes where I was like, “they definitely put that in to feature the 3D” - I feel like you can spot a few instances like that in most 3D films. If you are ever going to see something in 3D, I feel Star Wars and the big budget Marvel films (along with some children’s movies) are the type that are worth seeing in 3D on the big screen.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by ColtCrazy

I enjoy the Star Wars movies. Even the less popular ones I find entertaining. I thought Solo was pretty good, for example. What has always bothered me is the fact that the best Star Wars video games are decades old. I loved KOTOR. I loved TIE Fighter and X-Wing Alliance. I just never understand why they haven't made an open world game in the Star Wars universe like No Man's Sky. Even a basic plot would suffice because many would just be tickled wondering around the universe. Or a game where you just flew combat missions in TIEs or X-Wings or whatever. Seems they miss out on the simple things when it comes to video games. That said, I can't wait for the Lego Skywalker game because I get to mess around with the classic parts of the movies.

The problem? EA. Lucasarts sold exclusive rights to EA. They don't care about the games being made. They only care about the millions EA gave them.