Werewolf LXXXVIII: Game Thread - Page 3

Tyrith · 01-21-2009, 02:18 PM

Problem with the walls today is that if we put exactly nine cycles on the walls then we leave ourselves open to sabotage - and when there are about seven people working it's actually a pretty mild risk for the wolves to take for a pretty decent benefit of delaying us for a day.

It's an even better risk if they think they can manipulate the vote tomorrow to lynch a non-saboteur on the wall team.

Lathum · 01-21-2009, 02:18 PM

I am off to class.

I am a little busy, but if anyone has the time to keep a running list of who is working on what that could be helpfull in not doubling up on work and work distribution.

I can try and do one later if no one else has time.

Barkeep49 · 01-21-2009, 02:19 PM

Here's what I've got so far:

Shifts submitted:
Walls – Chief Rum (34), Chief Rum (34), Render (68), Hannibal (71),Telle (73), Real (74), Purdue (95), Purdue (95)
Artwork – Hoops (70)

Actions remaining:
Daddy T (2) Jonathan (2) Danny (2) Lathum (2) Tyrtih (2) Hannibal KWhit (2) Pass (2) Alan T (2) Jackal (2) jeheniz (2) Packer (2) RealDeal Telle Render Hoops

Hannibal Lecter · 01-21-2009, 02:19 PM

Ok reread, yes we need to do the walls before we can do roof and widows... but there is a lot of work from carpentry. I think if we put only 9 on the walls, the wolves wouldn't fake their work, since there are only so mnay people that could have done it. if someone DOES fake it... we still have LOTS of carpentry to do.... so its not like its holding us up a ton~!

Telle · 01-21-2009, 02:19 PM

Work as of post 98:

artwork - 1 - Hoops
walls - 8 - Hannibal, Chief Rum (twice), Telle, Purdue (twice), Render, RealDeal

Hannibal Lecter · 01-21-2009, 02:20 PM

and we have 8 people on the walls now.. and 2 are doing double... so that will give us 10 works for 9 needs.... isnt that enough?

Hannibal Lecter · 01-21-2009, 02:21 PM

oh crap. nvm

Tyrith · 01-21-2009, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hannibal Lecter

Ok reread, yes we need to do the walls before we can do roof and widows... but there is a lot of work from carpentry. I think if we put only 9 on the walls, the wolves wouldn't fake their work, since there are only so mnay people that could have done it. if someone DOES fake it... we still have LOTS of carpentry to do.... so its not like its holding us up a ton~!

Ultimately my point is that unless we're willing to overcommit to the walls we need to avoid assuming that the walls will be fixed tomorrow.

Tyrith · 01-21-2009, 02:25 PM

After what I just said I don't particularly want to be on the walls right now.

WORK ON ARTWORK

KWhit · 01-21-2009, 02:27 PM

Okay. I want to work on the cathedral today and I have no idea who to vote for, so:

Work on Walls
Work on Walls

KWhit · 01-21-2009, 02:27 PM

Ack.

I meant to say carpentry.... Can I change that BK?

RendeR · 01-21-2009, 02:35 PM

BK, if say tomorrow, we have 8 units on the walls, can we then get 1 input on the walls and start working on the roof at that point or do the walls have to be finished overnight to move forward?

Hannibal Lecter · 01-21-2009, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Ultimately my point is that unless we're willing to overcommit to the walls we need to avoid assuming that the walls will be fixed tomorrow.

im fine with that, but we don't need to really stress about it today, now if it inst done tomorrow then maybe....

Hannibal Lecter · 01-21-2009, 02:41 PM

And that is now 10 units on the walls, assuming Kwhitt cant change...

PurdueBrad · 01-21-2009, 02:45 PM

Sorry for not putting it in color BK, my bad.

PackerFanatic · 01-21-2009, 02:54 PM

Alright...it looks like we have more than enough for the walls (hopefully), so I will look elsewhere with my work. I am also going to get some action going with the votes. We shouldn't focus on just one thing (either work or votes), since like others have said, then tomorrow is another day 1 in terms of voting - and no one likes day 1's in terms of voting

Sooo...

WORK ON CARPENTRY
VOTE HANNIBAL

He is the innkeeper, I am the vagrant, naturally I don't like him

Hannibal Lecter · 01-21-2009, 02:54 PM

JERK!

Telle · 01-21-2009, 03:28 PM

Well I'm heading home and want to get a vote in now since I'm not sure I'll get on again this evening.

VOTE HANNIBAL

As I mentioned earlier, he's the only one I have even the slightest suspicion of. It's not much, but this is Day 1 and we don't really have anything to go on.

jeheinz72 · 01-21-2009, 03:30 PM

WORK ON CARPENTRY

Hannibal Lecter · 01-21-2009, 03:30 PM

Jerk too!

jeheinz72 · 01-21-2009, 03:31 PM

Welcome back holmes.

Vote Passacaglia

Tyrith · 01-21-2009, 03:35 PM

Second consecutive vote on a random target D1 usually somewhat stinks to me, personally. The fact that Telle won't be able to defend herself gives me pause, though. Eh, I might change this later.

VOTE TELLE

RendeR · 01-21-2009, 03:39 PM

Hrm, not much going on right now, MORE WORK YOU SERFS!

Barkeep49 · 01-21-2009, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit

Ack.

I meant to say carpentry.... Can I change that BK?

I don't understand. There is no carpentry area. If you meant a different place (e.g.) I will let you change it this time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR

BK, if say tomorrow, we have 8 units on the walls, can we then get 1 input on the walls and start working on the roof at that point or do the walls have to be finished overnight to move forward?

Yes that's fine. Of course if someone were to fake that shift, then you would lose any shifts invested in the other areas.

Barkeep49 · 01-21-2009, 03:48 PM

Doh. I forgot that there was a carpentry. KWhit is working on the carpentry.

Barkeep49 · 01-21-2009, 03:51 PM

Here's what I have. I found one error I made already so please do make sure I haven't made others.

Votes:
Hannibal – Packer (116), Telle (118)
Pass – jeheinz (121)
Telle – Tyrith (122)

Shifts submitted:
Walls – Chief Rum (34), Chief Rum (34), Render (68), Hannibal (71),Telle (73), Real (74), Purdue (95), Purdue (95), KWhit (110), KWHit (110)
Artwork – Hoops (70), Tyrith (109),
Carpentry – KWhit (110), KWhit (110), Packer (116),

Actions remaining:
Daddy T (2) Jonathan (2) Danny (2) Lathum (2) Hannibal Pass (2) Alan T (2) Jackal (2) jeheniz RealDeal (2) Telle (2) Render (2) Hoops (2)

Lathum · 01-21-2009, 03:57 PM

BK- when updating who is working on what can you put how many units of work are commited to each one?

Thanks.

jeheinz72 · 01-21-2009, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Here's what I have. I found one error I made already so please do make sure I haven't made others.

Votes:
Hannibal – Packer (116), Telle (118)
Pass – jeheinz (121)
Telle – Tyrith (122)

Shifts submitted:
Walls – Chief Rum (34), Chief Rum (34), Render (68), Hannibal (71),Telle (73), Real (74), Purdue (95), Purdue (95), KWhit (110), KWHit (110)
Artwork – Hoops (70), Tyrith (109),
Carpentry – KWhit (110), KWhit (110), Packer (116),

Actions remaining:
Daddy T (2) Jonathan (2) Danny (2) Lathum (2) Hannibal Pass (2) Alan T (2) Jackal (2) jeheniz RealDeal (2) Telle (2) Render (2) Hoops (2)

BK - You missed my work on carpentry in post 119, fyi.

Lathum · 01-21-2009, 04:08 PM

OK, so according to my calculations if you subtract KWhit from walls we have 8 people working on them.

Can you confirm BK?

If we are at 8 I think we should have 1 more person work on walls and see if a demon sabotouges the work

Barkeep49 · 01-21-2009, 04:10 PM

Revised actions:
Shifts submitted:
Walls – Chief Rum (34), Chief Rum (34), Render (68), Hannibal (71),Telle (73), Real (74), Purdue (95), Purdue (95),
Artwork – Hoops (70), Tyrith (109),
Carpentry – KWhit (110), KWhit (110), Packer (116), Jeheinz (119(

Lathum · 01-21-2009, 04:12 PM

OK< so we have 8 walls right now.

Does anyone else think we should only have 1 other worker do alls, or even better, someone who has only worked on theem once double up?

Alan T · 01-21-2009, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

OK< so we have 8 walls right now.

Does anyone else think we should only have 1 other worker do alls, or even better, someone who has only worked on theem once double up?

I am still catching up on the thread, but based on BK's lists, Chief and Purdue have already doubled up on them. Telle has already voted as a second action. I assume Hannibal will vote to try to save himself with his second action so that leaves RealDeal and Render. Render has stated he plans on using his second action to vote.

I think ideally having Render or Real doubleup makes the most sense to keep the number of possible saboteurs to a minimum. That would leave less candidates to track down if one does choose to sabotage.

I plan on using both of my actions on the cathedral today. If neither Render or RealDeal want to double up, I don't have any problem putting one or both actions into it. (to go over and make sure it is completed even).

jeheinz72 · 01-21-2009, 04:25 PM

I'd agree that one of them doubling-up would be ideal

Lathum · 01-21-2009, 04:36 PM

well OK, lets wait and try and hear from one of them if they are willing to.

The Jackal · 01-21-2009, 05:52 PM

WORK ON CARPENTRY

The Jackal · 01-21-2009, 05:52 PM

Haven't decided what to do with my second action yet, if there's a place that needs more work let me know.

Alan T · 01-21-2009, 06:02 PM

Well, I waited around as long as I could. I may be back tonight, but I doubt it. So going to go ahead and put in work where I feel it benefits us the most. Making sure the walls are finished. If they end up not being completed tonight, it still is a small group of possible people who faked the work. For my second work, I chose the Artwork, if that gets faked there are only two people who could have done it.

WORK ON WALLS
WORK ON ARTWORK

RealDeal · 01-21-2009, 06:13 PM

Basically, Day 1 voting seems to be a complete waste to me. We can get more information if everyone works. If everyone works, eventually the wolves will have to start faking, and we can start figuring out who is the wolf based on comparing work orders to work accomplished. And, it's actually better info than day 1 votes, which are based on zero info. Plus work is productive, while votes basically are lost opportunities at work.

Anybody who's trying to get someone voted off on Day 1 under this set of rules is suspicious to me, because it's counterproductive.

WORK ON ARTWORK

This is in addition to my earlier order to work on the walls.

Lathum · 01-21-2009, 06:14 PM

OK, thats 9 for walls.

I dont think anyone else should work on walls today.

Everyone agree?

RendeR · 01-21-2009, 06:21 PM

Yes Good sir, you are correct. No more work on the walls today my people.

Lathum · 01-21-2009, 06:59 PM

Work on Artwork
Vote Telle

lets see what this brings

Danny · 01-21-2009, 07:26 PM

I'm here. I guess with the split I should end up working with 1 point and voting with the other. Where's my work needed most?

DaddyTorgo · 01-21-2009, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR

Yes Good sir, you are correct. No more work on the walls today my people.

Ahem. I believe Baron RendeR that it is my Cathedral. Your sudden interest in it is appreciated, however I do not believe that in this instance your word is law.

[ooc] just being IC

[/ooc]

I find myself confronted by the question of what my actions ought to be to best benefit you, my flock. I must retire to my chambers and pray for the Lord's guidance at this point.

Danny · 01-21-2009, 07:28 PM

Hmm, looks like Carpentry will be where I put my work and my vote, I do not know.

DaddyTorgo · 01-21-2009, 07:30 PM

I find it most curious that RealDeal is so adamant against removing a parishioner from our midst today. I have sanctioned this course of action, and our Lord and Savior has spoken to me and declared that whether or not we voluntarily remove a parishioner each day, one will be removed for us through some mechanism. Therefore I find it only logical that we exercise our prudent judgment in deciding whom that person should be.

Danny · 01-21-2009, 07:31 PM

Work on Carpentry

Danny · 01-21-2009, 07:34 PM

What do we have as far as actions left?

DaddyTorgo · 01-21-2009, 07:38 PM

[ooc] i have both of my actions left [/ooc]

Passacaglia · 01-21-2009, 07:39 PM

(ooc) Me too (/ooc)

(ic) I'll trade you mine! (/ic)

RealDeal · 01-21-2009, 07:45 PM

We have 18 people in the game. If we all just used our turns building on Day 1, we'd have almost half of the cathedral done in one day.

I haven't played in a while, but I think people know how well Day 1 lynchings turn out. In most cases, we don't have a choice. In this case we do: we can do something useful and still gain information.

01-21-2009, 02:19 PM	#103
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Here's what I've got so far: Shifts submitted: Walls – Chief Rum (34), Chief Rum (34), Render (68), Hannibal (71),Telle (73), Real (74), Purdue (95), Purdue (95) Artwork – Hoops (70) Actions remaining: Daddy T (2) Jonathan (2) Danny (2) Lathum (2) Tyrtih (2) Hannibal KWhit (2) Pass (2) Alan T (2) Jackal (2) jeheniz (2) Packer (2) RealDeal Telle Render Hoops Last edited by Barkeep49 : 01-21-2009 at 02:20 PM.

01-21-2009, 02:35 PM	#112
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	BK, if say tomorrow, we have 8 units on the walls, can we then get 1 input on the walls and start working on the roof at that point or do the walls have to be finished overnight to move forward? __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

01-21-2009, 02:54 PM	#116
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Alright...it looks like we have more than enough for the walls (hopefully), so I will look elsewhere with my work. I am also going to get some action going with the votes. We shouldn't focus on just one thing (either work or votes), since like others have said, then tomorrow is another day 1 in terms of voting - and no one likes day 1's in terms of voting Sooo... WORK ON CARPENTRY VOTE HANNIBAL He is the innkeeper, I am the vagrant, naturally I don't like him __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

01-21-2009, 03:39 PM	#123
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Hrm, not much going on right now, MORE WORK YOU SERFS! __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

01-21-2009, 06:02 PM	#137
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Well, I waited around as long as I could. I may be back tonight, but I doubt it. So going to go ahead and put in work where I feel it benefits us the most. Making sure the walls are finished. If they end up not being completed tonight, it still is a small group of possible people who faked the work. For my second work, I chose the Artwork, if that gets faked there are only two people who could have done it. WORK ON WALLS WORK ON ARTWORK __________________ Couch to ??k - From the couch to a Marathon in roughly 18 months.

01-21-2009, 02:18 PM	#101
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	Problem with the walls today is that if we put exactly nine cycles on the walls then we leave ourselves open to sabotage - and when there are about seven people working it's actually a pretty mild risk for the wolves to take for a pretty decent benefit of delaying us for a day. It's an even better risk if they think they can manipulate the vote tomorrow to lynch a non-saboteur on the wall team.

01-21-2009, 02:18 PM	#102
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I am off to class. I am a little busy, but if anyone has the time to keep a running list of who is working on what that could be helpfull in not doubling up on work and work distribution. I can try and do one later if no one else has time.

01-21-2009, 02:19 PM	#104
Hannibal Lecter High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	Ok reread, yes we need to do the walls before we can do roof and widows... but there is a lot of work from carpentry. I think if we put only 9 on the walls, the wolves wouldn't fake their work, since there are only so mnay people that could have done it. if someone DOES fake it... we still have LOTS of carpentry to do.... so its not like its holding us up a ton~!

01-21-2009, 02:19 PM	#105
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	Work as of post 98: artwork - 1 - Hoops walls - 8 - Hannibal, Chief Rum (twice), Telle, Purdue (twice), Render, RealDeal

01-21-2009, 02:20 PM	#106
Hannibal Lecter High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	and we have 8 people on the walls now.. and 2 are doing double... so that will give us 10 works for 9 needs.... isnt that enough?

01-21-2009, 02:21 PM	#107
Hannibal Lecter High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	oh crap. nvm

01-21-2009, 02:25 PM	#109
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	After what I just said I don't particularly want to be on the walls right now. WORK ON ARTWORK

01-21-2009, 02:27 PM	#110
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Okay. I want to work on the cathedral today and I have no idea who to vote for, so: Work on Walls Work on Walls

01-21-2009, 02:27 PM	#111
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Ack. I meant to say carpentry.... Can I change that BK?

01-21-2009, 02:41 PM	#114
Hannibal Lecter High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	And that is now 10 units on the walls, assuming Kwhitt cant change...

01-21-2009, 02:45 PM	#115
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Sorry for not putting it in color BK, my bad.

01-21-2009, 02:54 PM	#117
Hannibal Lecter High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	JERK!

01-21-2009, 03:28 PM	#118
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	Well I'm heading home and want to get a vote in now since I'm not sure I'll get on again this evening. VOTE HANNIBAL As I mentioned earlier, he's the only one I have even the slightest suspicion of. It's not much, but this is Day 1 and we don't really have anything to go on.

01-21-2009, 03:30 PM	#120
Hannibal Lecter High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	Jerk too!

01-21-2009, 03:35 PM	#122
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	Second consecutive vote on a random target D1 usually somewhat stinks to me, personally. The fact that Telle won't be able to defend herself gives me pause, though. Eh, I might change this later. VOTE TELLE

01-21-2009, 03:48 PM	#125
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Doh. I forgot that there was a carpentry. KWhit is working on the carpentry.

01-21-2009, 03:51 PM	#126
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Here's what I have. I found one error I made already so please do make sure I haven't made others. Votes: Hannibal – Packer (116), Telle (118) Pass – jeheinz (121) Telle – Tyrith (122) Shifts submitted: Walls – Chief Rum (34), Chief Rum (34), Render (68), Hannibal (71),Telle (73), Real (74), Purdue (95), Purdue (95), KWhit (110), KWHit (110) Artwork – Hoops (70), Tyrith (109), Carpentry – KWhit (110), KWhit (110), Packer (116), Actions remaining: Daddy T (2) Jonathan (2) Danny (2) Lathum (2) Hannibal Pass (2) Alan T (2) Jackal (2) jeheniz RealDeal (2) Telle (2) Render (2) Hoops (2)

01-21-2009, 03:57 PM	#127
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	BK- when updating who is working on what can you put how many units of work are commited to each one? Thanks.

01-21-2009, 04:08 PM	#129
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	OK, so according to my calculations if you subtract KWhit from walls we have 8 people working on them. Can you confirm BK? If we are at 8 I think we should have 1 more person work on walls and see if a demon sabotouges the work

01-21-2009, 04:10 PM	#130
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Revised actions: Shifts submitted: Walls – Chief Rum (34), Chief Rum (34), Render (68), Hannibal (71),Telle (73), Real (74), Purdue (95), Purdue (95), Artwork – Hoops (70), Tyrith (109), Carpentry – KWhit (110), KWhit (110), Packer (116), Jeheinz (119(

01-21-2009, 04:12 PM	#131
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	OK< so we have 8 walls right now. Does anyone else think we should only have 1 other worker do alls, or even better, someone who has only worked on theem once double up?

01-21-2009, 04:36 PM	#134
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	well OK, lets wait and try and hear from one of them if they are willing to.

01-21-2009, 05:52 PM	#135
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	WORK ON CARPENTRY

01-21-2009, 05:52 PM	#136
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Haven't decided what to do with my second action yet, if there's a place that needs more work let me know.

01-21-2009, 06:13 PM	#138
RealDeal High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: here	Basically, Day 1 voting seems to be a complete waste to me. We can get more information if everyone works. If everyone works, eventually the wolves will have to start faking, and we can start figuring out who is the wolf based on comparing work orders to work accomplished. And, it's actually better info than day 1 votes, which are based on zero info. Plus work is productive, while votes basically are lost opportunities at work. Anybody who's trying to get someone voted off on Day 1 under this set of rules is suspicious to me, because it's counterproductive. WORK ON ARTWORK This is in addition to my earlier order to work on the walls.

01-21-2009, 06:14 PM	#139
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	OK, thats 9 for walls. I dont think anyone else should work on walls today. Everyone agree?

01-21-2009, 06:21 PM	#140
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Yes Good sir, you are correct. No more work on the walls today my people. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

01-21-2009, 06:59 PM	#141
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Work on Artwork Vote Telle lets see what this brings

01-21-2009, 07:26 PM	#142
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I'm here. I guess with the split I should end up working with 1 point and voting with the other. Where's my work needed most?

01-21-2009, 07:28 PM	#144
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Hmm, looks like Carpentry will be where I put my work and my vote, I do not know.