Official 2021-2022 College Basketball thread - Page 3

Izulde · 02-08-2022, 08:35 PM

UNLV is 13-10 (5-5) so far on the season. Better than I expected in Kevin Kruger's first season TBH. Almost a complete roster turnover around Bryce Hamilton and while the defense was expected to be significantly improved, offensive struggles were anticipated.

miked · 02-12-2022, 03:59 PM

Last 3 games ...

Def. No. 13 Michigan State, 84-63
Def. No. 16 Ohio State, 66-64
Def. No. 14 Wisconsin, 73-65#GoRU | #GardenStatement pic.twitter.com/b0YsVp7uVG
— Rutgers Scarlet Knights (@RUAthletics) February 12, 2022

HerRealName · 02-12-2022, 04:30 PM

I really like this Rutgers team - except during that OSU game a couple days ago. Rutgers just plays HARD. I keep expecting them to run out of gas but they seem to be getting stronger instead. Dismantling Wisconsin in Madison was impressive.

miked · 02-12-2022, 04:38 PM

Yeah, if only they hadn't lost to Lafayette, DePaul, and UMass (and maybe the 16 point to loss PSU) we would be coasting in to the tourney.

HerRealName · 02-12-2022, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by miked

Yeah, if only they hadn't lost to Lafayette, DePaul, and UMass (and maybe the 16 point to loss PSU) we would be coasting in to the tourney.

I started to think they might be in contention to win the conference until they put up their remaining schedule. It's a brutal way to finish up but they're capable of beating anyone at this point. There are so many games crammed into each other the whole thing feels like a mess and completely unpredictable.

tarcone · 02-12-2022, 09:45 PM

Teams have had to play 4 days in a row to win the B1G. Rutgers is hot, and if they maintain that, they could run the tourney.

kingnebwsu · 02-14-2022, 02:14 PM

Looking to get into college basketball for this season but I am way out of the loop (outside of the Horizon League).

What resources would people suggest to get me up to speed ASAP?

Podcasts/websites would be preferred.

Thanks!

INDalltheway · 02-14-2022, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kingnebwsu

Looking to get into college basketball for this season but I am way out of the loop (outside of the Horizon League).

What resources would people suggest to get me up to speed ASAP?

Podcasts/websites would be preferred.

Thanks!

Titus and Tate are younger guys that have a good cbb pod.

The Field of 68 YouTube channel. Lots of content here.

HerRealName · 02-16-2022, 07:18 PM

Future #1 seed Rutgers is up on Illinois by 15 with 15 left.

Lathum · 02-16-2022, 07:47 PM

My Dad is almost 92, a Rutgers alum, and watches every game. I don't have any delusions they will win it all, but I really want to see them make the tournament and provide Dad some more enjoyment. Especially because his Yankees don't look to be taking the field any time soon.

miked · 02-16-2022, 08:12 PM

They were one shot away from a monster upset in last year's tournament. Tonight was must win as they hit the road for Purdue and Michigan, before finishing against Wisconsin, PSU, and Indiana. PSU is a winnable game at home, I'm thinking no chance vs. Purdue and Michigan. So win one more between Indiana and Wisconsin and that could be enough.

tarcone · 02-16-2022, 09:36 PM

Im glad Rutgers is good at something other then bringing in the New York market.

BishopMVP · 02-16-2022, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

Im glad Rutgers is good at something other then bringing in the New York market.

Technically they weren't good at that one either...

Brian Swartz · 02-17-2022, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by miked

I'm thinking no chance vs. Purdue and Michigan. So win one more between Indiana and Wisconsin and that could be enough.

I wouldn't write off the Michigan game. They're fascinating in a 'pull your hair out' way. Capable of beating almost anybody, also capable of losing to almost anybody. Need win three of their last six to have a decent chance at making the tournament, probably four to have any real confidence in it. I wouldn't be shocked by 5-1, 1-5, or anything in between.

Atocep · 02-20-2022, 02:02 PM

I've never seen a coach slap another coach and instigate a fight between teams. Juwon Howard is going to be sitting out a few games and at least a couple of his players may as well.

Lathum · 02-20-2022, 02:08 PM

Howard should sit the rest of the year including the BIG 10 tournament. Completely unacceptable. I'm not so sure he shouldn't be canned.

Brian Swartz · 02-20-2022, 02:10 PM

Didn't see it, but yikes.

Lathum · 02-20-2022, 02:11 PM

Juwan Howard threw a right hand as a fight broke out between Michigan and Wisconsin pic.twitter.com/eCYgos6Mii
— Pickswise (@Pickswise) February 20, 2022

Lathum · 02-20-2022, 02:12 PM

Apparently Howard was pissed because Wisconsin called a TO up 19 with 30 seconds left, even though Howard still had a starter in the game.

Brian Swartz · 02-20-2022, 02:15 PM

Thanks for the video. Yeah he definitely needs a good long suspension, minimum.

Atocep · 02-20-2022, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Apparently Howard was pissed because Wisconsin called a TO up 19 with 30 seconds left, even though Howard still had a starter in the game.

The timeout was bullshit and Howard had every right to say something at the handshake, but it wasn't so egregious that it should have been more than a quick "WTF" and move on.

Ksyrup · 02-20-2022, 02:44 PM

Was it one of those standard TOs to get the white guys 30 seconds of playing time? Usually there's a natural stop in action so they can get in, but I've seen teams call TO to clear the bench.

RainMaker · 02-20-2022, 02:57 PM

I get being upset with the timeout, but your team was also playing a full-court press when the Badgers were more than willing to just run the clock out.

In minor defense to Howard, the coach does sort of grab him when he walks by without a handshake. Not something most men take lightly. Still, you can't throw a punch or escalate to that point. And he's not a first time offender.

dubb93 · 02-20-2022, 02:59 PM

I don’t know that Howard can discipline the team going forward. I think he has to go. Just my two cents.

Lathum · 02-20-2022, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Was it one of those standard TOs to get the white guys 30 seconds of playing time? Usually there's a natural stop in action so they can get in, but I've seen teams call TO to clear the bench.

My understanding is all backups were in. And it was Wisconsin, so the timeout would actually be to get the one black guy in.

Lathum · 02-20-2022, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

I don’t know that Howard can discipline the team going forward. I think he has to go. Just my two cents.

This is my thought. Not sure how you can claim to be a leader of young men who sets the example after doing something like that.

lungs · 02-20-2022, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

My understanding is all backups were in. And it was Wisconsin, so the timeout would actually be to get the one black guy in.

I literally flipped the channel seconds before the fight happened. I had thought Gard put backups in with a minute left, but could be wrong. I was only half paying attention by that point.

lungs · 02-20-2022, 03:33 PM

dola

OK yeah, now that I read about it, don't full court press if you want the other team to run the clock out.

HerRealName · 02-20-2022, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

My understanding is all backups were in. And it was Wisconsin, so the timeout would actually be to get the one black guy in.

Yeah, back-ups were already in and Michigan was still pressing. It was a scramble situation and to save another TO or a 10 second call, Gard called a TO. Probably bush league to call the TO up 15 but it was bush league for Michigan to be pressing with at least 1 starter down by 15.

As they pass each other in the handshake line, Howard says that he's going to remember that TO. Gard stops him by grabbing Howard's elbow. Howard responds by grabbing Gard's collar.

Howard pulled a Woody Hayes but against an asst coach. Certainly seems like Michigan could fire him with cause, especially considering Howard's actions at the BTT last year. If they were smart, they'd fire Howard and bring back Beilein.

Brian Swartz · 02-20-2022, 03:39 PM

Beilein's not coming back. He's 69.

HerRealName · 02-20-2022, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

Beilein's not coming back. He's 69.

He could be 89 and I'd still hire him. That guy's a witch. I think he's the best pure basketball coach since I've followed college basketball (way too many decades ago).

Atocep · 02-20-2022, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by HerRealName

Yeah, back-ups were already in and Michigan was still pressing. It was a scramble situation and to save another TO or a 10 second call, Gard called a TO. Probably bush league to call the TO up 15 but it was bush league for Michigan to be pressing with at least 1 starter down by 15.

As they pass each other in the handshake line, Howard says that he's going to remember that TO. Gard stops him by grabbing Howard's elbow. Howard responds by grabbing Gard's collar.

Howard pulled a Woody Hayes but against an asst coach. Certainly seems like Michigan could fire him with cause, especially considering Howard's actions at the BTT last year. If they were smart, they'd fire Howard and bring back Beilein.

Teams press like that until the end of the game on a regular basis. Michigan had stopped fouling, though, which is the white flag in that situation. Half hearted pressing with mostly backups in isn't a big deal IMO.

But, as I said, it didn't warrant anything other than a quick WTF while shaking hands and if your feelings were really hurt drive the point home on the floor the next time you play.

Solecismic · 02-20-2022, 03:54 PM

I didn't watch the game, but have tried to catch up a little. I don't know how, given Howard's prestige in the game and leadership qualities, he got to a place where he allowed himself to do that.

OK, so on one hand, don't complain when the other team doesn't walk out the clock when you're still fighting for points. That TO might or might not have been an attempt to rub Michigan's nose in it, but the fact that the press was on makes it a moot point.

Gard should not have stopped Howard in the handshake line, but there are far better ways of handling that. Howard has the experience to do so without starting a brawl.

I guess suspensions are inevitable. Hard to care. They're deserved. It only confirms that I'm still better off without cable television - because basketball is the primary non-OTA-event I miss.

HerRealName · 02-20-2022, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

Teams press like that until the end of the game on a regular basis. Michigan had stopped fouling, though, which is the white flag in that situation. Half hearted pressing with mostly backups in isn't a big deal IMO.

But, as I said, it didn't warrant anything other than a quick WTF while shaking hands and if your feelings were really hurt drive the point home on the floor the next time you play.

I watch way more Big Ten than other conferences but this was pretty far out of the ordinary. At the very least, you should be willing to accept that the other team may call a TO in that situation.

Ksyrup · 02-20-2022, 05:16 PM

This is the second wierd thing Howard did this week. Did anyone see him walk out onto the court and grab a live ball a couple games ago? Total mistake of some sort but ridiculous. Got a technical but it didn't factor in the result.

Lathum · 02-20-2022, 05:16 PM

Reading the comments on Twitter about this Howard thing is a great reminder toxic masculinity is alive and well.

JPhillips · 02-20-2022, 05:19 PM

That's not the part of Woody Hayes' career to emulate.

JonInMiddleGA · 02-20-2022, 05:50 PM

Per the Wisc coach, not just backups were in, there were two walk-ons on the floor (that was part of his reasoning in explaining the timeout)

sterlingice · 02-20-2022, 05:56 PM

Howard was an idiot and is going to get punished.

Can we also take a second and talk about Gard grabbing Howard on the way by to stop him? It didn't look like it was in a "hey, coach, let's discuss something" way. Howard was talking and Gard just grabbed him to stop him. That doesn't seem appropriate, either, especially since after that they both start laying hands on each other until they both think better of it and then back off.

SI

miami_fan · 02-20-2022, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

I don’t know that Howard can discipline the team going forward. I think he has to go. Just my two cents.

I don't think I would go that far, but I can't argue if they did fire him for exactly the reason you gave. I would suspend him for the rest of the season. I am tired of seeing coaches trying to hide their lack of discipline under the guise of their passion for the game, team, being old school, etc.

RainMaker · 02-20-2022, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Howard was an idiot and is going to get punished.

Can we also take a second and talk about Gard grabbing Howard on the way by to stop him? It didn't look like it was in a "hey, coach, let's discuss something" way. Howard was talking and Gard just grabbed him to stop him. That doesn't seem appropriate, either, especially since after that they both start laying hands on each other until they both think better of it and then back off.

SI

Yeah, I agree. You grab a grown man like that and you're going to have trouble. Howard has to keep his cool but he also seemed fine with just walking to the locker room without shaking hands until he was grabbed.

Brian Swartz · 02-20-2022, 06:08 PM

I'm seeing it reported that the biggest fine the Big Ten conference is allowed to impose is 2 games and a $10k fine. That's not nearly enough. It would throw it on Michigan whether they decide to go further.

JonInMiddleGA · 02-20-2022, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Yeah, I agree. You grab a grown man like that and you're going to have trouble. Howard has to keep his cool but he also seemed fine with just walking to the locker room without shaking hands until he was grabbed.

Whathisname from Wisc was trying to explain the timeout but Howard wanted to keep being a whiny bitch.

It's a good opportunity for Michigan to rid themselves of an overmatched underperformer

HerRealName · 02-20-2022, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Whathisname from Wisc was trying to explain the timeout but Howard wanted to keep being a whiny bitch.

It's a good opportunity for Michigan to rid themselves of an overmatched underperformer

Yeah this angle makes it clear. Howard says something like I'll remember this shit. Gard tries to smooth it over. Howard handles it horribly.

“DON’T FUCKING TOUCH ME” pic.twitter.com/XfnVaEVtiT
— Barstool Sports (@barstoolsports) February 21, 2022

sterlingice · 02-20-2022, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by HerRealName

Yeah this angle makes it clear. Howard says something like I'll remember this shit. Gard tries to smooth it over. Howard handles it horribly.

“DON’T FUCKING TOUCH ME” pic.twitter.com/XfnVaEVtiT
— Barstool Sports (@barstoolsports) February 21, 2022

...I guess? Gard still grabbed Howard's arm from that angle. Who does that? Again, what Howard did was much worse - he blew this up into a national story instead of a dumb local spat. But it was clear in the handshake line that Howard wasn't going to shake Gard's hand and, yeah, he said "don't effing touch me". Felt like a power play move to force the handshake. This was not a de-escalation move.

SI

Kodos · 02-20-2022, 07:01 PM

Howard should be fired.

HerRealName · 02-20-2022, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

...I guess? Gard still grabbed Howard's arm from that angle. Who does that? Again, what Howard did was much worse - he blew this up into a national story instead of a dumb local spat. But it was clear in the handshake line that Howard wasn't going to shake Gard's hand and, yeah, he said "don't effing touch me". Felt like a power play move to force the handshake. This was not a de-escalation move.

SI

It doesn't seem that strange to me. Here's an old but wonderful resource

» CoachShakes: The Week in College Basketball Handshakes

Atocep · 02-21-2022, 05:51 PM

Michigan suspends Howard for 5 games, which gets him back for the Big 10 and NCAA tournaments. I expected at least until the NCAA tournament so he gets off lighter than I expected.

Brian Swartz · 02-21-2022, 05:56 PM

Yeah that's a definite slap on the wrist under the circumstances. Boo.

Solecismic · 02-21-2022, 06:46 PM

Five games seems about right to me. It's implied that he cannot do anything like this again.

I'm surprised the two Wisconsin assistants who certainly were escalating the situation (one tackled one of the Michigan players who got a game for later trading punches or attempted punches with the suspended Wisconsin player) are not being disciplined at all. Granted, none of this happens if Howard doesn't behave like a horse's ass over a time out.

Maybe Howard did it out of kindness toward his fellow former Fab Five teammate - no longer connected to the most infamous time out in Michigan history.

02-08-2022, 08:35 PM	#101
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	UNLV is 13-10 (5-5) so far on the season. Better than I expected in Kevin Kruger's first season TBH. Almost a complete roster turnover around Bryce Hamilton and while the defense was expected to be significantly improved, offensive struggles were anticipated. __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

02-12-2022, 03:59 PM	#102
miked College Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The Dirty	Last 3 games ... Def. No. 13 Michigan State, 84-63 Def. No. 16 Ohio State, 66-64 Def. No. 14 Wisconsin, 73-65#GoRU \| #GardenStatement pic.twitter.com/b0YsVp7uVG — Rutgers Scarlet Knights (@RUAthletics) February 12, 2022 __________________ Commish of the United Baseball League (OOTP 6.5)

02-12-2022, 04:38 PM	#104
miked College Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The Dirty	Yeah, if only they hadn't lost to Lafayette, DePaul, and UMass (and maybe the 16 point to loss PSU) we would be coasting in to the tourney. __________________ Commish of the United Baseball League (OOTP 6.5)

02-12-2022, 09:45 PM	#106
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	Teams have had to play 4 days in a row to win the B1G. Rutgers is hot, and if they maintain that, they could run the tourney. __________________ Excuses are for wusses- Spencer Lee Punting is Winning- Tory Taylor The word is Fight! Fight! Fight! For Iowa FOFC 30 Dollar Challenge Champion-OOTP '15

02-14-2022, 02:14 PM	#107
kingnebwsu College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Ohio	Looking to get into college basketball for this season but I am way out of the loop (outside of the Horizon League). What resources would people suggest to get me up to speed ASAP? Podcasts/websites would be preferred. Thanks! Last edited by kingnebwsu : 02-14-2022 at 02:14 PM.

02-12-2022, 04:30 PM	#103
HerRealName College Prospect Join Date: Dec 2002	I really like this Rutgers team - except during that OSU game a couple days ago. Rutgers just plays HARD. I keep expecting them to run out of gas but they seem to be getting stronger instead. Dismantling Wisconsin in Madison was impressive.

02-16-2022, 07:18 PM	#109
HerRealName College Prospect Join Date: Dec 2002	Future #1 seed Rutgers is up on Illinois by 15 with 15 left.

02-16-2022, 07:47 PM	#110
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	My Dad is almost 92, a Rutgers alum, and watches every game. I don't have any delusions they will win it all, but I really want to see them make the tournament and provide Dad some more enjoyment. Especially because his Yankees don't look to be taking the field any time soon.

02-16-2022, 08:12 PM	#111
miked College Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The Dirty	They were one shot away from a monster upset in last year's tournament. Tonight was must win as they hit the road for Purdue and Michigan, before finishing against Wisconsin, PSU, and Indiana. PSU is a winnable game at home, I'm thinking no chance vs. Purdue and Michigan. So win one more between Indiana and Wisconsin and that could be enough. __________________ Commish of the United Baseball League (OOTP 6.5)

02-16-2022, 09:36 PM	#112
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	Im glad Rutgers is good at something other then bringing in the New York market. __________________ Excuses are for wusses- Spencer Lee Punting is Winning- Tory Taylor The word is Fight! Fight! Fight! For Iowa FOFC 30 Dollar Challenge Champion-OOTP '15

02-20-2022, 02:02 PM	#115
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	I've never seen a coach slap another coach and instigate a fight between teams. Juwon Howard is going to be sitting out a few games and at least a couple of his players may as well.

02-20-2022, 02:08 PM	#116
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Howard should sit the rest of the year including the BIG 10 tournament. Completely unacceptable. I'm not so sure he shouldn't be canned.

02-20-2022, 02:10 PM	#117
Brian Swartz Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2006	Didn't see it, but yikes.

02-20-2022, 02:11 PM	#118
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Juwan Howard threw a right hand as a fight broke out between Michigan and Wisconsin pic.twitter.com/eCYgos6Mii — Pickswise (@Pickswise) February 20, 2022

02-20-2022, 02:12 PM	#119
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Apparently Howard was pissed because Wisconsin called a TO up 19 with 30 seconds left, even though Howard still had a starter in the game.

02-20-2022, 02:15 PM	#120
Brian Swartz Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2006	Thanks for the video. Yeah he definitely needs a good long suspension, minimum.

02-20-2022, 02:44 PM	#122
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Was it one of those standard TOs to get the white guys 30 seconds of playing time? Usually there's a natural stop in action so they can get in, but I've seen teams call TO to clear the bench. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

02-20-2022, 02:57 PM	#123
RainMaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	I get being upset with the timeout, but your team was also playing a full-court press when the Badgers were more than willing to just run the clock out. In minor defense to Howard, the coach does sort of grab him when he walks by without a handshake. Not something most men take lightly. Still, you can't throw a punch or escalate to that point. And he's not a first time offender.

02-20-2022, 03:33 PM	#128
lungs Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Prairie du Sac, WI	dola OK yeah, now that I read about it, don't full court press if you want the other team to run the clock out.

02-20-2022, 03:39 PM	#130
Brian Swartz Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2006	Beilein's not coming back. He's 69.

02-20-2022, 03:54 PM	#133
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	I didn't watch the game, but have tried to catch up a little. I don't know how, given Howard's prestige in the game and leadership qualities, he got to a place where he allowed himself to do that. OK, so on one hand, don't complain when the other team doesn't walk out the clock when you're still fighting for points. That TO might or might not have been an attempt to rub Michigan's nose in it, but the fact that the press was on makes it a moot point. Gard should not have stopped Howard in the handshake line, but there are far better ways of handling that. Howard has the experience to do so without starting a brawl. I guess suspensions are inevitable. Hard to care. They're deserved. It only confirms that I'm still better off without cable television - because basketball is the primary non-OTA-event I miss.

02-20-2022, 05:16 PM	#135
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	This is the second wierd thing Howard did this week. Did anyone see him walk out onto the court and grab a live ball a couple games ago? Total mistake of some sort but ridiculous. Got a technical but it didn't factor in the result. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

02-20-2022, 05:16 PM	#136
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Reading the comments on Twitter about this Howard thing is a great reminder toxic masculinity is alive and well.

02-20-2022, 05:19 PM	#137
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02-20-2022, 05:50 PM	#138
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02-20-2022, 05:56 PM	#139
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Howard was an idiot and is going to get punished. Can we also take a second and talk about Gard grabbing Howard on the way by to stop him? It didn't look like it was in a "hey, coach, let's discuss something" way. Howard was talking and Gard just grabbed him to stop him. That doesn't seem appropriate, either, especially since after that they both start laying hands on each other until they both think better of it and then back off. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!" Last edited by sterlingice : 02-20-2022 at 05:57 PM.

02-20-2022, 06:08 PM	#142
Brian Swartz Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2006	I'm seeing it reported that the biggest fine the Big Ten conference is allowed to impose is 2 games and a $10k fine. That's not nearly enough. It would throw it on Michigan whether they decide to go further.

02-20-2022, 07:01 PM	#146
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Howard should be fired. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

02-21-2022, 05:51 PM	#148
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	Michigan suspends Howard for 5 games, which gets him back for the Big 10 and NCAA tournaments. I expected at least until the NCAA tournament so he gets off lighter than I expected.

02-21-2022, 05:56 PM	#149
Brian Swartz Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2006	Yeah that's a definite slap on the wrist under the circumstances. Boo.

02-21-2022, 06:46 PM	#150
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	Five games seems about right to me. It's implied that he cannot do anything like this again. I'm surprised the two Wisconsin assistants who certainly were escalating the situation (one tackled one of the Michigan players who got a game for later trading punches or attempted punches with the suspended Wisconsin player) are not being disciplined at all. Granted, none of this happens if Howard doesn't behave like a horse's ass over a time out. Maybe Howard did it out of kindness toward his fellow former Fab Five teammate - no longer connected to the most infamous time out in Michigan history.

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