College Football Week 13 discussion

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Butch, you f'n idiot. WTH waste a timeout there? Geez, what a clusterfuck of a finish.

Mostly the officials piss poor handling of the first call (failure to announce the offside) and then utter ineptitude on the scrum.

Missouri is the better team. Vols are still overmatched physically. But even the Mizzou special teams finished better than those officials.

Yeah, that failure to announce the penalty was just brutal.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I was doing really well about just taking that game as it came -- Vol win means bowl eligibility, Vol loss means there's still a chance to deny UGAg -- but so help me I just f'n snapped here over the challenge timeout.

That's Derek Dooley caliber stupid. Dammit, that bordered on Reggie Ball kind of stupid. Whether it was Jones being that overmatched by the moment or whether it was bad advice --fireably on the fucking spot bad advice -- from someone upstairs ... just an utterly pissed away tiny opportunity. Such a @#$^@^ stupid stupid @#^#%^ moment.

[MrBug708]

Despite an inordinate amount of non called holding calls, ucla's DL is playing well

[JPhillips]

Did OK St really burn a red shirt this late in the season for a QB against a team that they have very little chance of beating? And this seems to be a reaction to T. Boone Pickens getting pissed.

Boy I'd love to have a recording of some of the conversations around there last week.

[tarcone]

Bret Bielema needs to come to Iowa. Show some balls Iowa.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by miked

This is baffling. This Mizzou team is not that great, yet they are probably going to play for the SEC title. These divisions are so mismatched, it's silly, with Bama, MSU, Ole Miss, Auburn, LSU, and aTm on one side. It's quite possible that Mizzou is the 7th best team in the SEC, how crazy would it be if they beat Bama.

Even crazier than your ranking system where they are ranked below teams they beat.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Bret Bielema needs to come to Iowa. Show some balls Iowa.

Not sure if you are aware but he left one of the best teams in the big ten so he could coach in the SEC. But in your world he is going to return to Iowa? Maybe Saban will come back to the big ten to coach Illinois also.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Atocep

VPI and Wake are putting on an offensive clinic today.

Final score: WF 6-VT 3 (2OT)

[cartman]

Arkansas is the first unranked team to shutout ranked teams two weeks in a row.

[MrBug708]

Great win for UCLA! Probably could have laid 60 on USC's secondary tonight but Mora likes Sark, so he wen NFL mode in the 4th

[miked]

Originally Posted by panerd

Even crazier than your ranking system where they are ranked below teams they beat.

Yeah, aTm is not good this year and Mizzou beat them. The rest of them, I just don't get it. I mean, wins over Kentucky, Vandy, South Carolina, Tennessee, Florida, and A&M get you playing for a title shot? I mean, Ole Miss is falling down, but they are doing it against LSU and Auburn in super close games, and an Arkansas blowout. It's not exactly the slouch schedule.

I'm no fan of the SEC, but the completely lopsided divisions is a joke. I mean the best win Mizzou will have to their credit is South Carolina and they'll play for the crown. So yeah, my ranking system is lopsided considering the wins, but considering who they played, Mizzou is likely the 6th or 7th best team in that conference behind Bama, Miss St, Auburn, UGA, LSU, and maybe Ole Miss.

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by panerd

Not sure if you are aware but he left one of the best teams in the big ten so he could coach in the SEC. But in your world he is going to return to Iowa? Maybe Saban will come back to the big ten to coach Illinois also.

You do realize that Iowa is his destination and he left Wisconsin to distance himself from going to Iowa from Wisconsin. Which would have been ugly.
Iowa is his destination.
Sometimes loyalty trumps. As BB still sports his Iowa logo tat. He is a Hayden Fry disciple.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by miked

Yeah, aTm is not good this year and Mizzou beat them. The rest of them, I just don't get it. I mean, wins over Kentucky, Vandy, South Carolina, Tennessee, Florida, and A&M get you playing for a title shot? I mean, Ole Miss is falling down, but they are doing it against LSU and Auburn in super close games, and an Arkansas blowout. It's not exactly the slouch schedule.

I'm no fan of the SEC, but the completely lopsided divisions is a joke. I mean the best win Mizzou will have to their credit is South Carolina and they'll play for the crown. So yeah, my ranking system is lopsided considering the wins, but considering who they played, Mizzou is likely the 6th or 7th best team in that conference behind Bama, Miss St, Auburn, UGA, LSU, and maybe Ole Miss.

+1. Missouri has beaten middle of the road SEC teams. They got smoked by Georgia when it was coherent and still has one of the worst losses of the season by getting beat by Indiana at home. I would put them around the level of LSU. With the way Arkansas is playing, I give them at least a solid chance of winning that game.

Originally Posted by tarcone

You do realize that Iowa is his destination and he left Wisconsin to distance himself from going to Iowa from Wisconsin. Which would have been ugly.
Iowa is his destination.
Sometimes loyalty trumps. As BB still sports his Iowa logo tat. He is a Hayden Fry disciple.

Keep dreaming.

[lungs]

Originally Posted by tarcone

You do realize that Iowa is his destination and he left Wisconsin to distance himself from going to Iowa from Wisconsin. Which would have been ugly.
Iowa is his destination.
Sometimes loyalty trumps. As BB still sports his Iowa logo tat. He is a Hayden Fry disciple.

It wouldn't have been all that ugly as a good portion of Wisconsins's fan base was happy to see him go.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by lungs

It wouldn't have been all that ugly as a good portion of Wisconsins's fan base was happy to see him go.

It would have been ugly on Iowa's part due to the contract Ferentz has. Outside of that, I'm not really sure either fan base would have been that mad.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by Matthean

+1. Missouri has beaten middle of the road SEC teams. They got smoked by Georgia when it was coherent and still has one of the worst losses of the season by getting beat by Indiana at home. I would put them around the level of LSU. With the way Arkansas is playing, I give them at least a solid chance of winning that game..

Of course you do just like UK and Tenn and A&M were going to beat them and so was Florida and South Carolina when everyone thought they were good. There is a week 7or 8 thread with all the great prognostication about Mizzous last four games by people on this board. I'll pull it up after the Arkansas game when you tell me that Mizzou isn't that good and has no chance to win the SEC title game.

[miked]

I'm not prognosticating anything, Mizzou fans should be elated. They had arguably one of the easiest schedules in the SEC and managed to win and now are one more mediocre team away from playing for an SEC title. I wish them success but for competitive purposes wish they could even out the divisions.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by panerd

Of course you do just like UK and Tenn and A&M were going to beat them and so was Florida and South Carolina when everyone thought they were good. There is a week 7or 8 thread with all the great prognostication about Mizzous last four games by people on this board. I'll pull it up after the Arkansas game when you tell me that Mizzou isn't that good and has no chance to win the SEC title game.

I haven't said anybody was going to beat Missouri this year. I thought Tenn might make it interesting just as I think Arkansas will. I still put the odds of them winning the SEC as low. Case in point, 'Bama's D is 2nd in scoring. Missouri's passing offense isn't even in the Top 100. Ask LSU how well that went. I still stand by them being around LSU's level. Neither one of us can prove it, however, due to Missouri playing in the SEC East. Again, they have no real credible win, and they have two terrible losses. Auburn has more losses but at least they have some credible wins.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Did OK St really burn a red shirt this late in the season for a QB against a team that they have very little chance of beating? And this seems to be a reaction to T. Boone Pickens getting pissed.

Boy I'd love to have a recording of some of the conversations around there last week.

They've avoided playing him despite the injuries they've had this year because they didn't want to burn his redshirt. Then they wait until the team has lost 4 in a row and have @Baylor and @OU left on the schedule to play him.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by Atocep

They've avoided playing him despite the injuries they've had this year because they didn't want to burn his redshirt. Then they wait until the team has lost 4 in a row and have @Baylor and @OU left on the schedule to play him.

It makes no sense to me. I'm fine playing him early, but burning his redshirt now is terrible. I guess the guy with billions has a lot of sway around there.

[tarcone]

You realize that Iowa has given one of the top contracts to a football coach. Iowa is in the top 12 of FBS football schools in revenue. Iowa is about to open a $35 mllion state of the art football facility. The Iowa athletic department is in the the top 20 in revenue.
Iowa's stadium has been rated in the top 10 as the worst place for visiting teams to play.
Iowa's media is weak.
Iowa has a rabid fan base with no competition from pro sports.
Iowa is in the B1G West. A place where a good coach could and would win championships regularly.

Iowa is destination program. Far better then Arkansas. I know Im a homer and will get abused about this post. But it is what it is.

Shoot, Bob Stoops will be on the radar, also.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Iowa is destination program.

You were doing relatively okay right up until about there.

That part is pretty delusional.

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

You were doing relatively okay right up until about there.

That part is pretty delusional.

LOL. Its my dream.
I admit, its tough to recruit to Iowa. Cold weather and Iowa and what-not. Thats why an innovative coach who is willing to work is needed.

[MizzouRah]

Huge win for Mizzou.. that Indiana game.. ugh.. Arkansas is legit.. will be tough, but we seem to be getting better at the right time.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by tarcone

LOL. Its my dream.
I admit, its tough to recruit to Iowa. Cold weather and Iowa and what-not. Thats why an innovative coach who is willing to work is needed.

I think that's part of Iowa's problem. They are similar to MSU in that they could get an elite coach but recruiting at Iowa is difficult enough to where their top end is limited. If one of the upper tier schools like OSU also get an elite coach, there's little Iowa can do to consistently win the Big Ten let alone a national title.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

Yeah, I think you are right. It'll be New Hampshire, although the NDSU announcers think that NDSU should be #1. We are just crushing Youngstown St today and outside of a loss to UNI (who was #11) this week. We'd still have out streak.

Jacksonville St won today too. If we can grab more first place votes than them I think we'd move to #2. I think we should. It all depends on how far CC drops after a very close game today.

The biggest thing against us is that both NH and Jax St lost to FBS teams and went undefeated the rest of the way. While both NDSU and CC lost in the conference.

I don't really see any other teams cracking the top 4. E Washington would be up there for sure without that 2nd loss. They would be a team I would rather not have in my side of the bracket, for sure.

The playoff seedings and matchups are up and I'm biased, but Coastal got robbed. It was a one point loss to Liberty, who also made the playoffs. They were the last undefeated team and #1/#2 in the rankings at the time. Don't think the loss merits a drop to the #7 seed.

Regardless excited to see how the Chanticleers do in the playoffs after last season's successful playoff run:

FCS Playoffs 2014: Dates, Schedule, Teams, Bracket and More | Bleacher Report

[Matthean]

Big Ten network posting their guesses for bowl games for the conference. Love the first three, hit and miss after that.

Big Ten Bowl Projections: Wildcats enter Jerry Palm’s latest list « Big Ten Network

[tarcone]

What is a Foster's Farm Bowl? Did Jim Foster from Ankeny, Iowa build a stadium and is now hosting a bowl in his cornfield?

[cartman]

Originally Posted by tarcone

What is a Foster's Farm Bowl? Did Jim Foster from Ankeny, Iowa build a stadium and is now hosting a bowl in his cornfield?

It used to be the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl, and will move from AT&T Park to Levi Stadium.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

I don't think CU Tiger is a fan

College Football offseason (non recruiting) discussion. - Page 4 - Front Office Football Central

YIkes.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by Matthean

Big Ten network posting their guesses for bowl games for the conference. Love the first three, hit and miss after that.

Big Ten Bowl Projections: Wildcats enter Jerry Palm’s latest list « Big Ten Network

The Maryland and Iowa games would be ugly.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by Kodos

YIkes.

Chad is extremely talented.
Extremely.

He is also very passionate.

Both are good qualities.

I actually just sat here and debated deleting that previous post just in case anyone finds it that may negatively impact him. I spoke with Chad a couple weeks ago in Clemson. There are a lot of guys in Clemson's locker room who wish he was still here. As a coach told me a while back "Chad is a leader of boys; we need a leader of men. He is a good union leader who can rile the masses. But he isnt YET a good director who can stare adversity in the face and calm those around him."

Wherever he ends up you are either catching lightening in a bottle or a tiger by the tail.

[Kodos]

Rumor is IU is trying to get him.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

The playoff seedings and matchups are up and I'm biased, but Coastal got robbed. It was a one point loss to Liberty, who also made the playoffs. They were the last undefeated team and #1/#2 in the rankings at the time. Don't think the loss merits a drop to the #7 seed.

Regardless excited to see how the Chanticleers do in the playoffs after last season's successful playoff run:

FCS Playoffs 2014: Dates, Schedule, Teams, Bracket and More | Bleacher Report

I agree. I'm not too excited about it either. I was shocked to see Coastal drop to #7 and into our bracket. I still think NDSU should have been #1. We are tops in power rankings and lead most categories in the toughest conference by far.

Missouri Valley had 5 teams get in. Listen to this stat. Only 1 team in the MVFC lost a non-conference game this year. One. And that was to Montana, a ranked opponent. That's a crazy stat.

Northern Iowa is the sleeper team to watch. I think it'll either be UNI or Eastern Washington on the odd bracket. I'd still put my money on NDSU, but outside of that I think Coastal would have to be my next pick.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Rumor is IU is trying to get him.

If you believe him, Kiffin and Spurrier both want him in the SEC. No knowledge to the validity, just what he says :|

[Kodos]

From your description, I hope he goes to the SEC.

[CU Tiger]

I will say this, the last time I saw him (in Clemson hanging out with some current players and his GF) he seemed to have really matured through this whole process.

In fact he said every exact word you would want to hear. Either he is growing up or he is taking PR coaching well. Either is a positive sign in my opinion.

[CU Tiger]

Oh and for my weekly rant.
Any poll that has a 5 loss team as #26 is invalid in my opinion.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Here's a fun (and honestly not too implausible) scenario:

Mizzou beats Arkansas
Auburn beats Alabama
Mizzou beats Miss. St.

Does that mean no SEC team in the playoff or Mizzou gets in? I'm secretly rooting for no SEC team in that scenario as we'd likely see an eight team playoff come MUCH sooner.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Here's a fun (and honestly not too implausible) scenario:

Arkansas beats Mizzou
Auburn beats Alabama
Ole Miss beats Miss. St.
Alabama beats Georgia by 40

Alabama gets in the playoffs because they'll figure something out.

FTFY.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Here's a fun (and honestly not too implausible) scenario:

Mizzou beats Arkansas
Auburn beats Alabama
Mizzou beats Miss. St.

Does that mean no SEC team in the playoff or Mizzou gets in? I'm secretly rooting for no SEC team in that scenario as we'd likely see an eight team playoff come MUCH sooner.

I think I will root for Mizzou in the playoff. :-)

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Here's a fun (and honestly not too implausible) scenario:

Mizzou beats Arkansas
Auburn beats Alabama
Mizzou beats Miss. St.

Does that mean no SEC team in the playoff or Mizzou gets in? I'm secretly rooting for no SEC team in that scenario as we'd likely see an eight team playoff come MUCH sooner.

Mizzou isn't jumping from 17/20 to the Top 4. Two losses means you are done.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Matthean

Mizzou isn't jumping from 17/20 to the Top 4. Two losses means you are done.

But I thought there was a SEC conspiracy? Who's going in under that scenario? No way the SEC doesn't get a team in judging from the conversations in this thread.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Matthean

Mizzou isn't jumping from 17/20 to the Top 4. Two losses means you are done.

Well, not necessarily.

There are currently 7 teams with 0 or 1 loss.

2 of those teams have Iron Bowl & Egg Bowl matchups that are losable, as well as a possible SEC title appearance.

FSU still has a rivalry game and a conference title game

Baylor & TCU have losable conference games to play.

Ohio State looks safe enough, honestly Oregon probably does too.

But you could somewhat easily end up with 3 teams with 0/1 loss and then a whole bunch of 2 loss teams are right back in it.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Here's a fun (and honestly not too implausible) scenario:

Mizzou beats Arkansas
Auburn beats Alabama
Mizzou beats Miss. St.

Does that mean no SEC team in the playoff or Mizzou gets in? I'm secretly rooting for no SEC team in that scenario as we'd likely see an eight team playoff come MUCH sooner.

In this scenario, Auburn and Alabama get in because Auburn beat Alabama and Alabama deserves a rematch.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Ohio State looks safe enough, honestly Oregon probably does too.

Oregon could get UCLA in the Pac 12 title game. They're not done with easy matchups either.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Oregon could get UCLA in the Pac 12 title game. They're not done with easy matchups either.

So yeah, like he said, Oregon's probably safe.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

So yeah, like he said, Oregon's probably safe.

lol

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Well, not necessarily.

There are currently 7 teams with 0 or 1 loss.

2 of those teams have Iron Bowl & Egg Bowl matchups that are losable, as well as a possible SEC title appearance.

FSU still has a rivalry game and a conference title game

Baylor & TCU have losable conference games to play.

Ohio State looks safe enough, honestly Oregon probably does too.

But you could somewhat easily end up with 3 teams with 0/1 loss and then a whole bunch of 2 loss teams are right back in it.

Oregon, FSU, and one of the Big 12 teams aren't losing. Even if we accept OSU's loss as being terrible, they only have one and Mizzou's is worse and they have another. So yes Virginia, the SEC can miss out on the playoffs.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Matthean

Oregon, FSU, and one of the Big 12 teams aren't losing. Even if we accept OSU's loss as being terrible, they only have one and Mizzou's is worse and they have another. So yes Virginia, the SEC can miss out on the playoffs.

Oh certainly they can. I'm just pointing out that even 2-losses wouldn't be an absolute death blow for several of them (including a hypothetical SEC Title Champ Missouri) either.

The committee, eh, it's gonna do what it's gonna do. I tend to punish bad losses more than I reward good wins, they seem perhaps to be going the opposite route.