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I don't know where this "Nintendo has no sort of quality control or anything like Sony and Microsoft" came from. I want you to point me to the Sony and Microsoft quality control. It's just that since the Wii is the dominant console, they get the majority of the shovelware as opposed to the PS2 last generation. Similarly, the NES and PSX led in the "lack of quality control" division. The SNES seemed to have a little bit more restraint (there are still a lot of bad titles, just not the ratios) but that may be just because there was stiffer competition from the Genesis. Back to the 3rd party meme, again, good games will sell on Nintendo systems. But when you constantly neuter games or don't spend the resources to polish them, they won't sell. Even going back to last gen, SoulCalibur 2 sold the most copies on the Gamecube, more than the PS2 and XBox- it was a good game. Resident Evil 4 sold decently (1.6M) on the Gamecube but did get outsold on the PS2 (2.0M) despite being a timed exclusive- but I think late in the console life with a huge install base difference explains that one. Both RE remakes (RE and 0) sold over 1M copies on the Gamecube as well. Again, put out good 3rd party games, they sell- Activision seems to be doing ok on the Wii with GH. Put out filth and neutered crap and it doesn't sell. Strange how that works. SI
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It's amazing that the Wii has been out for almost two years and third parties have yet to release a good RPG, racing game, or FPS/TPS for a console with a userbase pushing 30 million.
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Well, Mario Kart is a good racing game, and Metroid Prime 3 is a good FPS (though some would argue it's more like a FPA instead of FPS). Haven't paid much attention to RPGs because I don't like them, but I'm pretty sure you are right about there not being a good one on Wii.
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Not a true RPG, but I really enjoyed Fire Emblem which is a Strategy style RPG game.
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Mario Kart, Metroid, and Fire Emblem are all made by Nintendo though. I guess Resident Evil 4 could be considered a third-person shooter but that's about it.
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Tons of new stuff over the weekend. First, it appears that Microsoft won't be the only ones getting the Netflix treatment. The first of several upcoming deals went through to make the upcoming Blu-ray stand-alone players also function as a Netflix rental box.......
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...4859007&EDATE= Rumors are swirling that the upcoming game that Square Enix is to announce this week may be the next new iteration of Kingdom Hearts.......... RUMOR: Kingdom Hearts III to Be Unveiled Soon « GOONL!NE Certainly not surprising here. Microsoft confirms that they won't be cutting off Gold Live fees anytime soon.......... Microsoft: We won’t scrap Live Gold fees | Gaming Industry | News by MCV Another confirmation of the upcoming 360 price cuts........ http://arstechnica.com/journals/thum...e-in-september More info about the avatar options on the 360.......... Rumor: Avatar customization options discovered - Xbox 360 Fanboy Finally, several EA games just received a permanent price cut (pulled from Cheap Ass Gamer website).............. Quote:
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Couple of more news notes. A MS developer was murdered by her husband over the weekend in a murder-suicide. She had recently obtained a restraining order (what good do those really do in these type of cases) as she had found out that he had bought a gun.
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Orange Box for $30 is a ridiculous steal.
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I've heard that Burnout Paradise is also a great value, especially for $30. The developers are still putting out free upgrades on that game. It's great to see developers who support the games going forward rather than using any updates as a revenue grab. |
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No sooner than I mention their free DLC, I notice this new info on an upcoming free DLC release that will add 15 hours of gameplay to Burnout Paradise..... MTV Multiplayer » More Wheelies, Less Crashing — How Motorcycles Work In ‘Burnout Paradise’ |
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Official Rock Band 2 release dates have been leaked........
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Does anyone know if the September date will be a game-only release or if it will apply to the bundle as well?
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God, if you'd just read the stuff you're linking to, you'd know that the release date is August 21st. What was left of your credibility is just totally shot now. (Why, yes, yes I am on the edge of my seat for Quest for Booty. Why do you ask?) |
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Sounds like the latest PS3 firmware is breaking some consoles (not a repeat):
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SOCOM: Confrontation pricing announced. Same setup that Warhawk had on release. Nice deal for those that already have a headset...............
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Hearing an awful lot of great things about Braid which was released on XBLA this morning. It looks fantastic. Think I'll be purchasing this one, but I'm trying to get some work done before I do so, but I'm probably going to fail.
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Nintendo has put out a chart comparing third-party software sales on the Wii, 360, and PS3 over the first 19 months each platform has been out, plus some numbers below. (NPD data so USA only, chart is from joystiq.com)
* Wii: 60 million software units total, 56% are third-party units or 33 million (Nov. '06 through June '08) * Xbox 360: 35 million software units, 84% third-party or 29 million (Nov. '05 through June '07) * PS3: 25 million software units, 82% third-party or 20 million (Nov. '06 through June '08) Third party sales on the Wii rise to 62% if you remove Wii Play, which mainly sells due to being bundled with a Wiimote. The 360 still leads in most third party software sold when taking its 12 month head-start into account. |
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Yep, those numbers demonstrate basically what everyone has stated the entire time. The first party titles are dominant on the Wii. Not only that, Nintendo is playing games with numbers as well. It's not surprising that they would give the total sell through rather than the attach rate. The third-party attach rate is abysmal on the Wii when compared to the 360 and PS3. It should also be noted that the vast majority of the third party sales are from the Sonic Olympics and Guitar Hero games. Those two games are the only third party games in the top 15 in sales. After those two games, there's a significant drop off. No one would protest that the Wii is selling well as a console, but the third party sales are a concern to third party developers, so Nintendo would be well advised to stop 'whistling through the graveyard' by producing graphs and releases like this and start working on ways to increase those numbers to ease third-party developer concerns. |
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Why in the world would developers care about attach rates? If you're EA, why would you care that 1M copies of EAGenericGame24 are sold on 5M Wii or 20M Wii? The 1M copies are what matters not the 20% vs 5% attach rate. SI
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You make my point when you mention EA. They're a great company to use for comparison as they publish their titles on virtually all consoles at the same time. Their last financial statement was very telling. The profit margins on Wii games are relatively small when compared to the Wii. The PS3 profit for EA is increasing by leaps and bounds. Here are the profit numbers for EA in the last quarter. PS3: 139M 360: 81M PS2: 79M Wii: 57M Note that this is not a one quarter trend either. The PS3 profit has increased by 1000% over a year ago. While the Wii can use those numbers to claim victory due to larger installed base, there is going to be a time relatively soon where we see bigger installed bases from the PS3 (likely price cut and emphasis on BR by major retailers this fall) and possibly the 360 (price cuts needed). When that happens, the developers are going to see much bigger profit numbers. Sales aren't everything; profit is where the developers look when deciding what to publish and where. |
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Of course, as was mentioned in the other thread, those numbers may reflect distorted reality (with EA knowing it) as many of their games are developed for the 360 and then ported to the PS3. Therefore, the costs of development is likely bringing down those profit numbers for the 360. Since, the Wii versions are developed independantly, same situation there.
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That doesn't matter in this comparison even if it were found to be true. Toss out the PS3 numbers as that appears to be your major hangup in this issue. Let's use the 360 numbers which you are assuming in your example have major built in costs since it was developed on the 360. They are making more profit on the 360 than the Wii despite the development costs that you assume exist on that console since you're assuming it's the primary development console. It's another argument to spend more time and effort on the PS3/360 game due to the higher profit. Another flaw in that logic is that the Wii somehow has development costs in it. The Wii versions of the games are a direct port from the PS2 version of the games. The only development cost is to add in the motion control, which is relatively minimal. Also, as several reviewers have noted, the Wii graphics are actually worse than the PS2 version of the game despite being a direct port. The Wii users are actually getting an inferior product. Last edited by Mizzou B-ball fan : 08-10-2008 at 11:44 AM. |
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First-party software sales, third-party software sales, and console sales are all "abysmal" on the PS3 compared to the Wii. It does have the 360 to prop it up though. Quote:
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I'm not sure what else they are supposed to do, the Wii is the worldwide leader in software sales and good (and even not so good) third-party games have been successful. Not to mention, making a Wii game is significantly cheaper than making a game for one of the HD consoles. |
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And you've entirely missed the point. Third party profits on the Wii are significantly less than the 360 and PS3 profits despite selling more games. As long as that continues, the third party developers are going to continue to move to the PS3 and the 360 as they have been in recent months. Nintendo isn't releasing a press release like this because the third party developers are flooding to the system. They're doing it to try to convince third party developers that all is well despite numbers to the contrary. Quote:
Once again, the main argument is totally missed by this comment. The reason those two games were pointed out was because they were the only two games that were not first party games in the top 15 in all-time sales on the Wii. The 360 and PS3 aren't nearly as dependent on first party games. There are several third party games in the top 15 of the PS3/360 charts. Couple that with Nintendo's primary developer saying that he has developed all the big games that he had envisioned for the Wii and one has to be concerned about what will come next on the Wii, especially from Nintendo. Their Wii Music demo didn't impress anyone Quote:
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There's more to the games industry than EA's financial statement for three months out of the last year, that you have brought up multiple times when defending the PS3 and seem to base your entire false arguement of "Wii games aren't as profitable" around. And even so, this is what EA's CEO had to say about the matter: Quote:
Are you suggesting that the Wii has been receiving less third party support in recent months than it was in 2006? Again, you gotta be kidding me. One other point I'd like to throw out there is that even if third-parties aren't making games for the Wii, they are still competing with Nintendo's first-party titles for software sales, whether in the form of multiconsole owners (a bigger slice of the market than in past generations thanks to the big differences between the Wii and PS360) or people who look at the respective libraries before making a decision to buy a Wii or PS3 or 360. |
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The presentation of the EA numbers was not in any way to prop up the PS3. That's a straw-man argument. I even mentioned in the reply to EF27 that you could throw out the PS3 numbers and still make the same argument with the 360 numbers. I'd also note that the EA Sports titles on the Wii are not performing well at all, despite the EA CEO's comment. What EA and their CEO fail to realize is that they have to do more than just realize that the Wii could be a gravy train for them. They also have to actually put out a quality game that people want to buy. The latest EA Sports games have been hammered on the Wii thus far and are not doing well at all in regards to sales. Obviously, your second point regarding third party support is without merit. I never suggested that. Developers can move to the other systems for development while still developing for the Wii. It doesn't decrease games for the Wii, but it does provide more games for the 360/PS3 with more developers looking to release on as many platforms as possible. On your third point regarding first party software, I also never suggested that there is any competition when factoring in the Wii sales. There's no reason to question anything about hardware sales or first party sales. That is where Nintendo is thriving. That has no bearing on my point at all. Last edited by Mizzou B-ball fan : 08-11-2008 at 09:31 AM. |
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Several bits of 360 news today. Lots of info on the new 60 GB version of the 360 that will soon be released. There are a couple of changes from the old 20 GB version of the system......
The Official Site of Benjamin J Heckendorn Braid developer reveals that Microsoft is changing the XBLA policy to cut the amount of royalties paid to XBLA game developers, which may keep him from releasing any further titles on the system........... New XBLA deal problematic for Braid developer // News // GamesIndustry.biz Fable 2 now has a release date of October 21nd. Loot Ninja » Fable 2 Gets Release Date Last edited by Mizzou B-ball fan : 08-11-2008 at 10:18 AM. |
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Looks like Microsoft will convincingly win a month for the first time this year. The post-MGS4 hangover along with the clearance of the 20 GB Xbox 360's is expected to boost the 360 past the PS3 in July. In other unsurprising news, the Wii sold a lot of units.........
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I don't know about the US, but I would expect the 360 to beat the PS3 in UK sales for August thanks heavy in store promotion of the 80gb PS3 and the lack of a price cut for the 40gb machine. |
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I can see how the lack of a 40gb price cut would hinder sales, but why would heavy promotion of the 80gb PS3 create slow sales? I think I'm misunderstanding your post. FWIW....the UK is the strongest of the European 360 markets by a pretty wide margin. The PS3 overall in Europe is roughly even in total sales with the 360. |
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Pachter discusses the big increase in Wii supply and what the holiday season holds for the Wii.........
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The heavy in store promotion of the 80gb PS3 is right next to the 40gb PS3 deals. The 80gb promotions have the price clearly displayed, along with the release date at the end of August. Not many people are going to go for a £300 40gb when they can get the 80gb for the same price in three weeks. I expect UK sales to be down this month, but to jump considerably in September once the 80gb console is released (and retailers are forced to discount 40gb models) |
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Revenue by platform for THQ last quarter:
* 1. Nintendo DS ($27.3 million) * 2. Nintendo Wii ($23.3 million) * 3. PC ($23.2 million) * 4. Xbox 360 ($20.1 million) * 5. PlayStation 2 ($19.9 million) * 6. PlayStation Portable ($10.4 million) * 7. PlayStation 3 ($6.7 million) * 8. Mobile ($5.1 million) * 9. Game Boy Advance ($1.6 million) * 10. GameCube ($53,000) I wonder what GameCube games are still being bought Source: gameindustry.biz link -------------------------------- From Capcom's fiscal year 2008 results: System : # of software sold : # of software titles released PS2: 3,100,000 (Total Titles:29) Wii: 2,930,000 (Total Titles:13) PS3: 1,750,000 (Total Titles:8) 360: 1,620,000 (Total Titles:10) PSP: 3,150,000 (Total Titles:16, sales are mostly from Monster Hunter in Japan) DS: 2,400,000 (Total Titles:27) PC and others: 480,000 (Total Titles:3) Plans for Major New Titles (FY09) Resident Evil 5 (X360, PS3) Plan :2.3 mil. units Street Fighter 4 (X360,PS3) Plan :1.7 mil. units Bionic Commando (360,PS3) Plan: 1.5 mil. units Dead Rising Chop Till You Drop (Wii) Plan 0.5 mil. units Hopefully Capcom announces a PC (more likely) or Wii (less likely) version of RE5, after playing RE4Wii there's no way I'm going back to dual analog sticks for Resident Evil. Source: Capcom's website ------------------------------------ After two news articles full of numbers, here's one for the lighter side. "Militant Atheists" moaning about Spore - from Eurogamer.com Quote:
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Looks like the Dennis Dyack vs. NeoGaf situation will not end well for Dyack. Early reviews of 'Too Human' haven't been too good and he's getting smacked around by the NeoGaf minions............
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Probably would have been better received if it had been released 2 generations ago like it was supposed to.
I'm sure Duke Nukem Forever and Chinese Democracy will get equally good receptions SI
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A 6.75 in Game Informer for a high-profile, expected to sell well, HD console exclusive is like a 4 or 5 in the "legitimate" gaming press.
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Looks like the new Twisted Metal game for the PS3 will be revealed at the upcoming Leipzig Games Convention.
http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-183079.aspx Interestingly enough, MS and Nintendo will not be having press conferences at the convention. I can understand why Nintendo wouldn't bother given that their systems are still selling well, but I'm surprised that MS is not looking to make an impact in the territory that they've deemed critical to the overall success of the 360. |
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