NFL 2022 Offseason, Draft, Free Agency

[Ksyrup]

He was terrible in Denver. Like Kiffin - a jerk personality without the success to make people look the other way on him as a person. To his credit, he agreed and basically was one of those young hires that didn't work out because he wasn't mature enough.

[Danny]

Happy with McDaniels for the Raiders. Likely a boom / bust hire but I wanted an offensive coach and it's at least good to be back to respectability where we can hire desirable coaches.

[larrymcg421]

Murmurs of Harbaugh to Miami.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Murmurs of Harbaugh to Miami.

Sounding likely right now. He's apparently still pissed about the forced pay cut last year.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Murmurs of Harbaugh to Miami.

Sounds like he chose Miami over the Vikings.

[miami_fan]

But but but...

NFL: Dolphins owner says he won't hire Jim Harbaugh as next coach

[larrymcg421]

Saban: 'I'm not going to be the Alabama coach'

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

But but but...

NFL: Dolphins owner says he won't hire Jim Harbaugh as next coach

The quote was "I'm not going to be the person to take Jim Harbaugh from the University of Michigan. I hope he stays there."

Easy enough for Ross to say that Harbaugh told Miami that he was leaving Michigan for the NFL. At that point, Ross' reason for not pursuing him went away.

[QuikSand]

noises from Chicago sounding suspiciously, even alarmingly, competent

[rjolley]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

noises from Chicago sounding suspiciously, even alarmingly, competent

Don't give me hope...not yet...

[QuikSand]

I haven't been able to find it here, but I know at one point years ago, I used Jim Harbaugh (coming off a hot streak with the 49ers) as my case example for "why don't NFL teams pay their coaches a lot more?"

Theory being that the enterprise is worth a billion plus, and you're constrained by the salary cap in how much you can spend in those areas... so paying what it takes for a top-tier coach seems like a no-brainer at an incremental cost of, maybe, $5m more per year?

Anyway... at the time, I recall saying "Jim Harbaugh seems like the guy who could just name his price."

And now as a Dolphins fan... hmmmm...

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

The quote was "I'm not going to be the person to take Jim Harbaugh from the University of Michigan. I hope he stays there."

Easy enough for Ross to say that Harbaugh told Miami that he was leaving Michigan for the NFL. At that point, Ross' reason for not pursuing him went away.

I am not saying that he does not have an out. In fact I am fully prepared for Ross to come out with some semblance of "Well technically,..." when he does introduce Harbaugh. What I am saying is in the same way it was unnecessary when Saban did it, the lie that Ross told was unnecessary. We all knew that Harbaugh was option one. There was no need to exclude him and only him from the coaching search. Who was he trying to fool? Just raises questions about the whole process.

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

noises from Chicago sounding suspiciously, even alarmingly, competent

Let's see if they can overcome organizational inertia....

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Theory being that the enterprise is worth a billion plus, and you're constrained by the salary cap in how much you can spend in those areas... so paying what it takes for a top-tier coach seems like a no-brainer at an incremental cost of, maybe, $5m more per year?

I've had similar thoughts. Unless we're all missing huge expense centers, these enterprises must throw off cash at an alarming rate. Why wouldn't you spend it on the best coaches, assistants, specialists, equipment, facilities, etc...?

It's interesting to note that the top European football clubs, who are decidedly not constrained by salary caps, are increasingly doing this. The past 10 years or so you've seen clubs spin up whole data analysis groups, vastly expand their sports medicine organizations (including extremely sophisticated catering setups), build and move into luxurious, state-of-the-art training facilties. And in the grand scheme of things, it's all peanuts.

For instance, last year Liverpool moved into a brand new, state-of-the-art training facility. It cost them 50M pounds. That's roughly the cost of paying Van Dijk, Thiago Alacantra, Mo Salah, Trent Alexander-Arnold, & Roberto Firmino for a year. Or roughly what it cost them (with performance-related addons) to sign Luis Diaz last week, who will likely start as a backup. Or what they'll make if they make the QF of the Champions' League (depending on how many wins they had in the Group Stage).

[JPhillips]

American sports owners have been remarkably successful in convincing each other not to escalate costs too dramatically so that all of them can make more money.

[QuikSand]

For example, I know a reportedly rather bright fellow in the greater Baltimore area who would surely be willing to offer what he has to the Ravens' analytics and financial side for something like half a million or so. They'd be foolish not do take him up on it.

[flere-imsaho]

What else are they going to do with the money? Light it on fire?

[Bobble]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

What else are they going to do with the money? Light it on fire?

Smithers: What are you going to do with the million dollars, sir?
Burns: Oh, I dunno. Throw it on the pile, I suppose.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

noises from Chicago sounding suspiciously, even alarmingly, competent

We both know how this ends.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

We both know how this ends.

Herm Edwards out of nowhere to be coach and GM?

SI

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Herm Edwards out of nowhere to be coach and GM?

SI

As long as Jeff Fisher isn't coaching the Bears I fear the Bears hiring Jeff Fisher.

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

For example, I know a reportedly rather bright fellow in the greater Baltimore area who would surely be willing to offer what he has to the Ravens' analytics and financial side for something like half a million or so. They'd be foolish not do take him up on it.

This could be you, QS: A 29-year-old West Chester native aims to help return Venice to Italy’s soccer spotlight

[Lathum]

Sounds like Brady just made it official

[albionmoonlight]

NFC South has the potential to be historically bad next season.

[Ksyrup]

And prior to his reported bonus date too.

He should have waited because this really does just come off as "you stole my thunder!" Who believes he spent 2 days honestly debating whether to retire? He and his team spent longer writing all of his PR messages and coordinating the choreographed PR tour he's about to undertake.

[molson]

The bonus was never a thing. He's getting that money regardless, it's the deferred portion of his signing bonus from his last contract. He is, separately, by contract, required to pay back some of his bonus for not playing next year - that's between him and the Bucs how they work that out.

The idea that $15 million changes hands or doesn't change hands based on retiring a day or two later or earlier was ridiculous.

[NobodyHere]

So can the Bucs just hand Brady 15million now without it counting against the salary cap?

[spleen1015]

On the Dan Patrick show yesterday, one of the guests said that Brady owes the Buccs $16 million for retiring before the end of his contract and the Buccs owe him $15 million on 2/4. In the end, none of it matters. They'll work it out.

I agree with molson. The idea was stupid. People just wanted to make Brady look greedy.

[MIJB#19]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

On the Dan Patrick show yesterday, one of the guests said that Brady owes the Buccs $16 million for retiring before the end of his contract and the Buccs owe him $15 on 2/4. In the end, none of it matters. They'll work it out.

I agree with molson. The idea was stupid. People just wanted to make Brady look greedy.

The Salary Cap Impact of a Possible Tom Brady Retirement | Over the Cap

Almost similar explanation on the Over The Cap website.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

So can the Bucs just hand Brady 15million now without it counting against the salary cap?

If it was deferred payment of the signing bonus, then that does not matter for cap purposes. The Bucs were on the cap hook for it when they gave it to him (pro-rated over the life of the contract).

There is no way that the owners would allow wink & nod agreements like that to fall outside of the cap. The whole reason they have a cap is to limit their payroll costs.

[NobodyHere]

The Denver Broncos announced that team is up for sale - Mile High Report

If FOFC wants to get in on this then count me in for $100.

[spleen1015]

I'm down for $10k if it means I can be in charge of concessions.

[BishopMVP]

Wow. https://www.wigdorlaw.com/wp-content...t-al-Filed.pdf

Flores suing the NFL, Giants, Dolphins etc for racism. Alleges Ross tried to pay him outside the salary cap to lose games his first year and illegally set up meetings with presumably Deshaun Watson.

[albionmoonlight]

Holy shit. I mean if Ross really did offer his coach $100,000 per loss--and if there is proof of that--then the NFL has problems beyond the owners being all racist.

That's Pete Rose level shit right there.

[albionmoonlight]

dola: And Bill Belichick confusing Brian Daboll and Brian Flores in his text messages is a pretty crazy detail, too.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

dola: And Bill Belichick confusing Brian Daboll and Brian Flores in his text messages is a pretty crazy detail, too.

I hope Belichick is just out here playing chess if it hurts the Dolphins, the Bills (indirectly - but presumably they'll get dragged in & asked what they knew from Daboll), and Flores comes back to New England as DC & HC in waiting. Just need to get that muppet Steve out of the way.

[albionmoonlight]

OK, there's a lawsuit by former Dolphins Coach Brian Flores against the NFL, et. al. There's a lot here. But this is painful. Flores gets a text from Belichek, saying "you're gonna get the job" before his interview.

But it wasn't for him.https://t.co/d621ApQne8 pic.twitter.com/G06NY5kk0v

— Raffi Melkonian (@RMFifthCircuit) February 1, 2022

This lawyer is a big sports fan and is pretty good at converting legal speak into normal speak. I suspect his thread will get good if folks here want to follow.

[HerRealName]

According to my Michigan friend (he's otherwise an ok guy), Harbaugh has a preliminary agreement with Minnesota and tomorrow they finalize it. No idea which Michigan site he pulled this from but I think he pays for every single one of them.

I was really wanting to see Harbaugh in Ohio Stadium in 2022 so I'm disappointed.

[albionmoonlight]

Guy on another message board said that this lawsuit might spell the end of the Rooney Rule and the creation of a "Coaches over 65 don't get to text anymore" rule.

[molson]

The tanking thing is pretty interesting. People in sports media openly talk about teams tanking games for draft position. And the leagues obviously encourage and reward that by offering these great prizes if you lose enough. So what's the legal and ethical line there? You can try to lose, but you can't offer organizational rewards for it? Or does anything go?

[sterlingice]

Flores isn't getting another job in the NFL now, right?

SI

[Kodos]

I sure wouldn't think so. Just ask Colin K what happens when you speak up about injustice.

[stevew]

This Flores thing is wild.

[molson]

The Broncos denied all the allegations except for Elway showing up to the interview hungover. They were all, "OK, you got us on that one LOL"

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Flores isn't getting another job in the NFL now, right?

SI

I don't think he was getting one anyway based on the information that was leaked about him by the Dolphins organization.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Flores isn't getting another job in the NFL now, right?

SI

I said it elsewhere - it seems like his best chance after this play are back in New England (though Steve is a complication there), or Nick Saban's School for Coaches Who Don't Do PR Good (due to the BB/Saban connection). On balance I don't think Belichick would care he leaked text messages considering he tried to destroy multiple organizations and didn't make a single allegation regarding his time in New England. Still seems odd for a younger coach to do.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

I don't think he was getting one anyway based on the information that was leaked about him by the Dolphins organization.

It certainly seems like he knew what he was doing, so I expect he had to feel like he wasn't getting back into the NF in the short term. This is the league that blackballed Kaepernick, so I expect he's done unless Belichick grabs him to purposely say FU to Goodell.

[JPhillips]

dola

Stephen Ross was reported in Nov. 2019 to have invested into a sports gambling startup as part of a $17.5M fundraising round. https://t.co/5lg27kg4MC

If an NFL team owner is investing in sports gambling while incentivizing his head coach to lose games, that's a gigantic issue.

— Jonathan Jones (@jjones9) February 1, 2022

[Ksyrup]

I had an extremely busy day at work followed by an hour drive home and an hour+ drive to my daughter's game and I'm just seeing all of this. Looks like I've got some catching up to do!

[Ksyrup]

I will say, I'm a little disappointed they didn't follow the Boras/ARod playbook and drop this suit on the Friday before the SB to cause maximum PR carnage for the NFL.