How often do your favorite teams win championships? - Page 3

Tigercat · 09-12-2006, 12:30 PM

Wow, this was an old thread and I posted in it like it was brand new. Always makes me feel like an idiot when I do that. No more so than being a lifelong Saints fan, but still.

Vince · 09-12-2006, 02:21 PM

The Giants' chances are looking awful grim. We're close to a wildcard berth, and we have the best Starting Pitching in the National League, though...if you can make the playoffs, anything could happen.

redfox000 · 09-12-2006, 09:34 PM

Bulls 91,92,93,96,97,98
Bears 85

EagleFan · 09-12-2006, 11:33 PM

6-10 times, sort of.

Philadelphia Wings - 6 (Had season tickets for eleven years and only one of those years they didn't make the championship)
Phillies - 1
Flyers - 2 (though I didn't appreciate the wins as much as I would have if they happened 5 years later)
Sixers - 1

Being a Philly fan is tough but I had no idea just how tough when I started getting into sports. At that point the Flyers were always in the playoffs and in the finals many times, the Sixers were always battling some great teams in the playoffs, the Phillies were on the run of division titles and a couple of WS appearances and the Eagles were in the Super Bowl - then things went sour and returned to "normal" for Philly sports.

johnnyshaka · 09-13-2006, 12:23 AM

Edmonton Oilers - 84, 85, 87, 88, and 90
A's - 89 (the only one I've been alive for)
Eagles - never

The last couple of years have been pretty exciting and heart-breaking, all at the same time. Most recently, the Oilers run last season was insane, especially since I live in Edmonton...the whole city was so Oilers' crazy that you couldn't drive by a corner and not see an Oilers' logo displayed in some way or fashion...and to boot, my daughter was born the day of the triple overtime win against the Sharks that sparked the big run to only come up a period short. For a while there, when people asked how old she was I would say that she was 4 or 5 Oiler wins old...LOL!!!

The year before was the Eagles' first SB appearance since I've been a fan (started following the Eagles and the NFL after seeing an NFL Films show about Cunningham) and it was so hard to watch them lose knowing that getting back to that game would be damn near impossible.

And, well, the A's of the last 5 years or so have been great teams during the regular season...well, actually pretty much during August and September...but can never seem to put it all together for the playoffs...when it matters most. So needless to say, I'm getting sick of the "happy to make the playoffs" crap...just win, BABY!!!!

bulletsponge · 09-13-2006, 09:10 AM

Rockets-2
Carlisle United-1 won League 2 last year. but i can only follow them online..

Pumpy Tudors · 09-13-2006, 09:22 AM

I'm glad to see this thread back because I missed Vince making reference to "William Van Launching Pad" before. I just saw it for the first time back on page 2 of this thread, and it cracked me up.

Raven Hawk · 09-13-2006, 10:03 AM

Bulls - 6
Bears - 1

Although I'm no longer an NBA/Bulls fan, I was a huge fan during the Jordan era (including the '80s when the team sucked).

Wolfpack · 09-13-2006, 10:03 AM

Seeing this thread bumped reminds me I can add one to my tally:

NC State basketball--1974, 1983
Carolina Hurricanes--2006

Kodos · 11-11-2014, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

I am cursed. My true favorite team has never won a championship at any level in any sport during the time that I was a fan. The Dolphins won some Super Bowls before I became a fan. The Hoosiers won a couple years before I went to school there. I've had teams that I like win (notably, PSU and FSU in college football, San Antonio in the NBA, Denver Broncos in the NFL), but never the team I would have chosen if I could have picked a team to be champion at the beginning of the season. At the end of the day, most of my sports joy has come from watching teams I hate lose (like the Yankees choking away a 3-game lead against Boston last year). Sometimes (like after watching my Hoosiers get clobbered two weekends straight after a promising 4-1 start) I wonder if I would be happier if I just stopped caring.

How have your teams fared?

My football Hoosiers (my favorite team in any sport) have me questioning why I even follow sports again. They will always suck. Anyone can see that. Yet, every season, here I am, watching and slipping further into depression. At least Peyton and the Colts won the Super Bowl once. So I now have one trophy on my mantle. Overall, sports fandom has been a real slog.

timmae · 11-11-2014, 04:02 PM

In my viewing lifetime:

Green Bay Packers - 1996, 2010
Milwaukee Brewers - None
Wisconsin Badgers Hockey - 1990, 2006
Chicago Blackhawks - 2010, 2013

2010 was a good year!

Sun Tzu · 11-11-2014, 04:24 PM

This was "team" singular, not plural...correct? That's how I read it. If this was intended to be your "true favorite teams" then I need to change my vote.

Izulde · 11-11-2014, 04:24 PM

In my fandom lifetime, still just the White Sox in 2005, unless I count the Bulls during the Jordan years, which I'm not inclined to. I liked them a lot, but wasn't a fan in the truest sense of the word.

All the other teams I was or am a fan of, for however long a time, either won before I became a fan, or after I stopped being a fan.

molson · 11-11-2014, 04:25 PM

It slowed down but still a great 15 years in Boston sports. 8 championships, one I got to see in person (Sox/Rockies in Denver), 4 other times in the final game/series. And my college team Syracuse has one basketball championship and 2 other final four trips. Much better than the 15 years before that (no championships between '86 Celtics and '01 Patriots.)

NobodyHere · 11-11-2014, 04:26 PM

Colts '06
Redwings '97 '98 '02 '08

larrymcg421 · 11-11-2014, 04:41 PM

Since I started watching sports in the early 80s...

Miami Dolphins - 2 Superbowls, no wins.
Miami Hurricanes - Titles in 1983, 1987, 1989, 1991, and 2001.

Boston Celtics - Titles in 1984, 1986, and 2008.
Miami Hurricanes Basketball - LOL

Atlanta Braves - Title in 1995
Miami Hurricanes Baseball - 1985, 1999, 2001

Marmel · 11-11-2014, 04:41 PM

My very favorite team is Cuse basketball, so 1 title and 2 other final fours in my viewing time.

I am also a fan of the Yankees (5 rings) and NY Football Giants (4 Rings).

So I can proudly wear 10 rings, one for each finger! I'm pretty spoiled.

Grover · 11-11-2014, 04:43 PM

Bengals, Flyers, West Ham, Royals.

*sigh*

sabotai · 11-11-2014, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sabotai

NY Giants, 2 4 Super Bowl wins

FTFY

Neuqua · 11-11-2014, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Neuqua

Chicago Bulls - 6 times (Easily my favorite sport too so this worked out great)
Chicago Cubs - 0 times
Chicago Bears - 1 time (though I was 2 so I don't really count it)
Chicago Blackhawks - 0 times (though I don't care much for hockey)
NIU Football - 0 times (Freakin' Toledo)

Funny how 9 years changes things. I've become a hockey fan since the new ownership took over and I pay little to any attention to college sports.

Updated ring count: 8 (6 Bulls, 2 Blackhawks)

Honolulu_Blue · 11-11-2014, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Pro
Wings: '97, '98, '02, '08
Lions: They, uh, won a play-off game in 1991...

College
Michigan Football: '97

I consider myself a fan of the Pistons and Tigers and they are clearly my favorite teams in their respective sports/leagues, but I am just not a big fan of either sport, so while I am happy and excited when they win, it's not nearly the same. Same goes for all college sports that aren't football.

Wings: Updated for the 2008 Cup.

Lions: Well, at least they made it to playoffs once since 2006.

Michigan Football:

Fuck are some of these threads old.

Vince, Pt. II · 11-11-2014, 05:31 PM

I got to vote on this thread twice. And I voted wrong both times.

But I made Pumpy crack up, so that counts for something.

MIJB#19 · 11-11-2014, 06:27 PM

Nine years ago I voted 'never' and it still applies. We did have the unexpected summers of 2010 and 2014, but I suppose Oranje doesn't fully fit for this particular topic, plus silver and bronze still doesn't equal gold. FC Utrecht remains to be a very unlikely championship team, despite that the big three have been beaten twice since the poll was posted, I don't see Utreg pulling that off anytime soon...

MrBug708 · 11-11-2014, 06:36 PM

Dodgers - 1988
UCLA - 1995
Galaxy - 4 times
Kings - 2012, 2014
Lakers - 5 titles
I saw the Angels win a WS and I was a fan then, but no longer a fan

Not to shabby

Danny · 11-11-2014, 06:42 PM

2 for the kings, 5 for the lakers

Danny · 11-11-2014, 06:43 PM

Not counting dodgers in 88 since I was 5 and don't remember it

Umbrella · 11-11-2014, 06:43 PM

In order of most important sport to me, to least

ASU football - none
Suns - none
Diamondbacks - 2001
ASU basketball - none
AZ Cardinals - none in my lifetime
Newcastle - none since I became a fan in 2006, although they won the Championship in 2009/10. I don't count that.
Coyotes - none

Most of these teams not only have never won in my lifetime, but never won period.

Danny · 11-11-2014, 06:44 PM

So is say that's pretty good given I only have four favorite teams. Plus almost only 3 since I'm not sure the raiders count as a pro franchise anymore

Lathum · 11-11-2014, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

This was "team" singular, not plural...correct? That's how I read it. If this was intended to be your "true favorite teams" then I need to change my vote.

I read it this way as well.

Lathum · 11-11-2014, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gottimd

Saints fan here, lets take one step at a time, they only recently got their first playoff victory.

It has been noted in ancient scriptures that if they win a championship, the apocalypse may follow soon after.

Hope he had a good view of it from above...

BillJasper · 11-11-2014, 07:52 PM

Miami Dolphins fan since 1981. No championships since I started watching and have been mostly uncompetitive since Marino retired.

sterlingice · 11-11-2014, 10:03 PM

Rockets still have their 2 titles
Kansas basketball won in 2008

Royals got within 90 feet of tying Game 7 of the World Series - yeah, that one's a bit unexpected.
Kansas's Orange Bowl isn't a National Title by any stretch but that might have been even more unexpected

SI

korme · 11-12-2014, 12:31 AM

I was four when the Reds won the WS. Pretty sure I wasn't really into it.

lungs · 11-12-2014, 06:39 AM

I was two months old when the Brewers came close to winning the World Series.

ColtCrazy · 11-12-2014, 08:12 AM

My teams have faired decently well: All numbers are in my sports viewing history

NFL (1): Colts - 2006
NCAA Basketball (1): Hoosiers - 1987 (too young to remember the others)
NCAA Football (1): Irish - 1988/Hoosiers - 0

(Fan of both and since they seem to play in different universes I never have to worry about them meeting in a bowl game

)
NBA (2): Rockets - 1994, 1995/Pacers - 0

(I grew up a Rockets fan because I was a big Olajuwon fan. I've always been a Pacer fan as well, though I did give up on the NBA for awhile after the Malice at the Palace.

My favorite teams were the top two champions on the list.

QuikSand · 11-12-2014, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vince

The Giants' chances are looking awful grim. We're close to a wildcard berth, and we have the best Starting Pitching in the National League, though...if you can make the playoffs, anything could happen.

fun in retrospect

PurdueBrad · 11-12-2014, 09:47 AM

I've had some decent luck:

NFL- Steelers (2, 2006, '09), Saints (1, 2010) [although this is more of me being a Brees fan than a Saints fan]

NCAA basketball- Duke (4, 1991, '92, '01, '10)

NCAA football- Purdue (0)

MLB- Pittsburgh Pirates (0)

NHL- Pittsburgh Penguins (3, 1991, '92, '09)

NBA- San Antonio Spurs (5, 1999, '03, '05, '07, '14)

Vince, Pt. II · 11-12-2014, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuikSand

fun in retrospect

Indeed

AlexB · 05-02-2016, 05:21 PM

Leicester City 2015/16

. That makes it once every 132 years!

Jamie Vardy's having a

View Poll Results: How many times has your true favorite team won a championship?
Never	33	21.57%
Once	29	18.95%
Two to five times	60	39.22%
Six to ten times	25	16.34%
More than I can remember!	6	3.92%
Voters: 153. You may not vote on this poll

09-12-2006, 02:21 PM	#102
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09-13-2006, 12:23 AM	#105
johnnyshaka College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Edmonton, AB	Edmonton Oilers - 84, 85, 87, 88, and 90 A's - 89 (the only one I've been alive for) Eagles - never The last couple of years have been pretty exciting and heart-breaking, all at the same time. Most recently, the Oilers run last season was insane, especially since I live in Edmonton...the whole city was so Oilers' crazy that you couldn't drive by a corner and not see an Oilers' logo displayed in some way or fashion...and to boot, my daughter was born the day of the triple overtime win against the Sharks that sparked the big run to only come up a period short. For a while there, when people asked how old she was I would say that she was 4 or 5 Oiler wins old...LOL!!! The year before was the Eagles' first SB appearance since I've been a fan (started following the Eagles and the NFL after seeing an NFL Films show about Cunningham) and it was so hard to watch them lose knowing that getting back to that game would be damn near impossible. And, well, the A's of the last 5 years or so have been great teams during the regular season...well, actually pretty much during August and September...but can never seem to put it all together for the playoffs...when it matters most. So needless to say, I'm getting sick of the "happy to make the playoffs" crap...just win, BABY!!!! Last edited by johnnyshaka : 09-13-2006 at 12:36 AM.

09-13-2006, 09:22 AM	#107
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	I'm glad to see this thread back because I missed Vince making reference to "William Van Launching Pad" before. I just saw it for the first time back on page 2 of this thread, and it cracked me up. __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

09-13-2006, 10:03 AM	#108
Raven Hawk College Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Thunderdome	Bulls - 6 Bears - 1 Although I'm no longer an NBA/Bulls fan, I was a huge fan during the Jordan era (including the '80s when the team sucked). __________________ Owner of The Shreveport Pride in The CFL

09-12-2006, 12:30 PM	#101
Tigercat College Starter Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Federal Way, WA	Wow, this was an old thread and I posted in it like it was brand new. Always makes me feel like an idiot when I do that. No more so than being a lifelong Saints fan, but still.

09-12-2006, 09:34 PM	#103
redfox000 Mascot Join Date: Jul 2005	Bulls 91,92,93,96,97,98 Bears 85

09-12-2006, 11:33 PM	#104
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	6-10 times, sort of. Philadelphia Wings - 6 (Had season tickets for eleven years and only one of those years they didn't make the championship) Phillies - 1 Flyers - 2 (though I didn't appreciate the wins as much as I would have if they happened 5 years later) Sixers - 1 Being a Philly fan is tough but I had no idea just how tough when I started getting into sports. At that point the Flyers were always in the playoffs and in the finals many times, the Sixers were always battling some great teams in the playoffs, the Phillies were on the run of division titles and a couple of WS appearances and the Eagles were in the Super Bowl - then things went sour and returned to "normal" for Philly sports.

09-13-2006, 09:10 AM	#106
bulletsponge Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: TX	Rockets-2 Carlisle United-1 won League 2 last year. but i can only follow them online..

09-13-2006, 10:03 AM	#109
Wolfpack Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC	Seeing this thread bumped reminds me I can add one to my tally: NC State basketball--1974, 1983 Carolina Hurricanes--2006

11-11-2014, 04:02 PM	#111
timmae College Starter Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Chicago	In my viewing lifetime: Green Bay Packers - 1996, 2010 Milwaukee Brewers - None Wisconsin Badgers Hockey - 1990, 2006 Chicago Blackhawks - 2010, 2013 2010 was a good year! __________________ Interactive OOTP 15 Dynasty (Single Season) CHAMPION!! Oh yeah... Happy New York Day everyone!

11-11-2014, 04:24 PM	#112
Sun Tzu Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In the thick of it.	This was "team" singular, not plural...correct? That's how I read it. If this was intended to be your "true favorite teams" then I need to change my vote. __________________ I'm still here. Don't touch my fucking bacon.

11-11-2014, 04:24 PM	#113
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	In my fandom lifetime, still just the White Sox in 2005, unless I count the Bulls during the Jordan years, which I'm not inclined to. I liked them a lot, but wasn't a fan in the truest sense of the word. All the other teams I was or am a fan of, for however long a time, either won before I became a fan, or after I stopped being a fan. __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

11-11-2014, 04:25 PM	#114
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	It slowed down but still a great 15 years in Boston sports. 8 championships, one I got to see in person (Sox/Rockies in Denver), 4 other times in the final game/series. And my college team Syracuse has one basketball championship and 2 other final four trips. Much better than the 15 years before that (no championships between '86 Celtics and '01 Patriots.) Last edited by molson : 11-11-2014 at 04:25 PM.

11-11-2014, 04:26 PM	#115
NobodyHere Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2013	Colts '06 Redwings '97 '98 '02 '08 __________________ "I am God's prophet, and I need an attorney" Last edited by NobodyHere : 11-11-2014 at 05:19 PM.

11-11-2014, 04:41 PM	#116
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	Since I started watching sports in the early 80s... Miami Dolphins - 2 Superbowls, no wins. Miami Hurricanes - Titles in 1983, 1987, 1989, 1991, and 2001. Boston Celtics - Titles in 1984, 1986, and 2008. Miami Hurricanes Basketball - LOL Atlanta Braves - Title in 1995 Miami Hurricanes Baseball - 1985, 1999, 2001 __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

11-11-2014, 04:41 PM	#117
Marmel Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Manchester, CT	My very favorite team is Cuse basketball, so 1 title and 2 other final fours in my viewing time. I am also a fan of the Yankees (5 rings) and NY Football Giants (4 Rings). So I can proudly wear 10 rings, one for each finger! I'm pretty spoiled. __________________ 81-78 Cincinnati basketball writer P. Daugherty, "Connor Barwin playing several minutes against Syracuse is like kids with slingshots taking down Caesar's legions."

11-11-2014, 04:43 PM	#118
Grover Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Lisboa, ME	Bengals, Flyers, West Ham, Royals. sigh __________________ Come On You Irons! West Ham United \| Philadelphia Flyers \| Cincinnati Bengals \| Kansas City Royals FOFC Greatest Band Draft Runner Up FOFC Movie Remake Draft Winner FOFC Movie Comedy Draft Winner

11-11-2014, 05:31 PM	#122
Vince, Pt. II Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Somewhere More Familiar	I got to vote on this thread twice. And I voted wrong both times. But I made Pumpy crack up, so that counts for something.

11-11-2014, 06:27 PM	#123
MIJB#19 Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Maassluis, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands	Nine years ago I voted 'never' and it still applies. We did have the unexpected summers of 2010 and 2014, but I suppose Oranje doesn't fully fit for this particular topic, plus silver and bronze still doesn't equal gold. FC Utrecht remains to be a very unlikely championship team, despite that the big three have been beaten twice since the poll was posted, I don't see Utreg pulling that off anytime soon... __________________ * 2005 Golden Scribe winner for best FOF Dynasty about IHOF's Maassluis Merchantmen * Former GM of GEFL's Houston Oilers and WOOF's Curacao Cocktail

11-11-2014, 06:36 PM	#124
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Dodgers - 1988 UCLA - 1995 Galaxy - 4 times Kings - 2012, 2014 Lakers - 5 titles I saw the Angels win a WS and I was a fan then, but no longer a fan Not to shabby

11-11-2014, 06:42 PM	#125
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	2 for the kings, 5 for the lakers

11-11-2014, 06:43 PM	#126
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Not counting dodgers in 88 since I was 5 and don't remember it

11-11-2014, 06:43 PM	#127
Umbrella High School Varsity Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Back in the desert	In order of most important sport to me, to least ASU football - none Suns - none Diamondbacks - 2001 ASU basketball - none AZ Cardinals - none in my lifetime Newcastle - none since I became a fan in 2006, although they won the Championship in 2009/10. I don't count that. Coyotes - none Most of these teams not only have never won in my lifetime, but never won period.

11-11-2014, 06:44 PM	#128
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	So is say that's pretty good given I only have four favorite teams. Plus almost only 3 since I'm not sure the raiders count as a pro franchise anymore

11-11-2014, 07:52 PM	#131
BillJasper Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Kentucky	Miami Dolphins fan since 1981. No championships since I started watching and have been mostly uncompetitive since Marino retired. __________________ The Confederacy lost, it is time to dismantle it.

11-11-2014, 10:03 PM	#132
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Rockets still have their 2 titles Kansas basketball won in 2008 Royals got within 90 feet of tying Game 7 of the World Series - yeah, that one's a bit unexpected. Kansas's Orange Bowl isn't a National Title by any stretch but that might have been even more unexpected SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!" Last edited by sterlingice : 11-11-2014 at 10:04 PM.

11-12-2014, 12:31 AM	#133
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	I was four when the Reds won the WS. Pretty sure I wasn't really into it.

11-12-2014, 06:39 AM	#134
lungs Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Prairie du Sac, WI	I was two months old when the Brewers came close to winning the World Series.

11-12-2014, 08:12 AM	#135
ColtCrazy College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Midwest	My teams have faired decently well: All numbers are in my sports viewing history NFL (1): Colts - 2006 NCAA Basketball (1): Hoosiers - 1987 (too young to remember the others) NCAA Football (1): Irish - 1988/Hoosiers - 0 (Fan of both and since they seem to play in different universes I never have to worry about them meeting in a bowl game ) NBA (2): Rockets - 1994, 1995/Pacers - 0 (I grew up a Rockets fan because I was a big Olajuwon fan. I've always been a Pacer fan as well, though I did give up on the NBA for awhile after the Malice at the Palace. My favorite teams were the top two champions on the list. __________________ The Field Generals and Statis Pro Basketball Super League

05-02-2016, 05:21 PM	#139
AlexB Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Newbury, England	Leicester City 2015/16 . That makes it once every 132 years! Jamie Vardy's having a __________________ 'A song is a beautiful lie', Idlewild, Self Healer. When you're smiling, the whole world smiles with you. Sports! Last edited by AlexB : 05-02-2016 at 05:31 PM.

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