2010 Census - Page 3

AENeuman · 03-17-2010, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by panerd

Believe me, I went to college like you and wanted to save the world. Then I grew up and realized none of those guys with R's or D's next to their names really give a shit about saving the world they just want to create another program to get people to vote for them and keep them in office.

Maybe you will discover this someday. You already have discovered this about the Republicans. Some other posters have already discovered this about the Democrats. News flash: Maybe you both are right!!! Every arguement you guys make is what is wrong with the other side. Maybe you both are right???

Well one thing Liber's have in common with the D's and R's is each think they are better than everyone else

Swaggs · 03-17-2010, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AENeuman

Well one thing Liber's have in common with the D's and R's is each think they are better than everyone else

+1 and then some.

Mustang · 03-17-2010, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kang

I don't have a last name.

I thought it was 'The Conqueror'?

Kodos · 03-17-2010, 03:05 PM

I know we had Serak The Preparer.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-17-2010, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

+1 and then some.

I just kind of look at them like college students who haven't discovered reality yet, figuring it will either eventually hit them or occasionally it never will (in which case they become Demoncrats anyway).

lungs · 03-17-2010, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I just kind of look at them like college students who haven't discovered reality yet, figuring it will either eventually hit them or occasionally it never will (in which case they become Demoncrats anyway).

Fits me to a tee! Libertarian in college, Democrat post-college. I doubt I will ever find reality.

DaddyTorgo · 03-17-2010, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by lungs

Fits me to a tee! Libertarian in college, Democrat post-college. I doubt I will ever find reality.

Some would say that you already have.

jeff061 · 03-17-2010, 03:36 PM

After having to deal with the State of Mass fuckers this was easy. I was pleasantly surprised how unobtrusive it was.

Autumn · 03-17-2010, 03:47 PM

I think people grossly overestimate the amount, or rather the completeness or usefulness, of information the government has. They also grossly overestimate how useful information found on the Internet is. As stated elsewhere I can find my contact info on the Internet, for about six places I've lived and no way to tell what is accurate. Thirdly, people overestimate how common it is to be a middle class person who uses the Internet. There are millions of people who virtually do not exist in any electronic form. They may live on cash, live with family, have never had a bank account or credit card, never been listed in a telephone directory. Put this all together and I think it's silly to think a census isn't needed (forget the fact that it is required).

I know my dad has gotten great use out of old census reports in doing our genealogy. The fact that it has birth dates, people living together, etc., is hugely important in piecing together any family trees. I don't have any problem filling in my birth date. I have a birth certificate, it's not like it's information I'm hiding from the government.

I wonder if people were as paranoid about the government in the 1890 census. Probably I suppose.

Lathum · 03-17-2010, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by panerd

No. I think it is a fucking waste of money. Read any of my previous posts in the thread or don't and make stupid generalizations instead. I don't give a shit about the questions, I have stated in almost every single post that I believe the government already has all of this information. Employing a bunch of people to do this job is yet another example of government waste. Believe me, I went to college like you and wanted to save the world. Then I grew up and realized none of those guys with R's or D's next to their names really give a shit about saving the world they just want to create another program to get people to vote for them and keep them in office.

Maybe you will discover this someday. You already have discovered this about the Republicans. Some other posters have already discovered this about the Democrats. News flash: Maybe you both are right!!! Every arguement you guys make is what is wrong with the other side. Maybe you both are right???

Your comment about kids in college made me laugh because as an adult back in school it is so true. I look at some of these kids and think , man are they stupid and in for a jolt.

As for the government already having the info, well, probably. But I would bet the cost to find a way to get that info all in one place would exceed the 15 billion the census is costing. Plus, a lot of the cost of the census is for employment so at least it is stimulating the economy in some way.

Swaggs · 03-17-2010, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I just kind of look at them like college students who haven't discovered reality yet, figuring it will either eventually hit them or occasionally it never will (in which case they become Demoncrats anyway).

The sense of enlightenment is very similar.

I. J. Reilly · 03-17-2010, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

It'll also be nice in 200 years when your descendents are doing genealogical research and what to know what you did, where you lived, where you moved around to, etc.

This is why I always put such a kickass job title on my 1040. I bet my descendants are going to be pretty impressed to learn that they have an international man of mystery in their family tree.

Ryche · 03-17-2010, 07:17 PM

Yes, the census is expensive. Yes, a lot of the info is already obtainable somewhere about some people. But the constitution mandates that every person be counted, whether or not they are on gov't lists or such. This could be done cheaper via sampling, but the Supreme Court has said that is not allowed.

sterlingice · 03-17-2010, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

I know we had Serak The Preparer.

Yeah, but all he knew how to do was cook humans

SI

sterlingice · 03-17-2010, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by I. J. Reilly

This is why I always put such a kickass job title on my 1040. I bet my descendants are going to be pretty impressed to learn that they have an international man of mystery in their family tree.

Gold

SI

BYU 14 · 03-18-2010, 12:02 AM

We filled ours out tonight and under race options they have

Black, African American, Negro

Who even uses the word Negro anymore?

Shkspr · 03-18-2010, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BYU 14

Who even uses the word Negro anymore?

Kansas City Monarchs fans?

flere-imsaho · 03-18-2010, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BYU 14

Who even uses the word Negro anymore?

Ben had a post about this a few years ago.

flere-imsaho · 03-18-2010, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

I think people grossly overestimate the amount, or rather the completeness or usefulness, of information the government has.

Based on my experience with the government, I'll say that while they probably have, spread across multiple agencies, a lot of information, their ability to synthesize it is appallingly bad. Just bad in general, not even bad as compared to companies like Google or Amazon.

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They also grossly overestimate how useful information found on the Internet is.

Interestingly enough: How Privacy Vanishes Online, a Bit at a Time - NYTimes.com

chesapeake · 03-18-2010, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

As for the government already having the info, well, probably. But I would bet the cost to find a way to get that info all in one place would exceed the 15 billion the census is costing.

Currently, there are a number of privacy laws that prohibit the government from having one big, consolidated database with everything it may have a legitimate reason to know about its citizens. The Social Security database is an excellent example of this. It literally takes an act of Congress for another agency to get access to it. Is there anyone out there that really wants the government to have this kind of data at its fingertips?

flere-imsaho · 03-18-2010, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by chesapeake

Is there anyone out there that really wants the government to have this kind of data at its fingertips?

Meh. It really depends on whether or not you think the government is actively more evil than, say, Visa or the credit rating agencies.

molson · 03-18-2010, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by chesapeake

Is there anyone out there that really wants the government to have this kind of data at its fingertips?

My name, date of birth and race?

The whole concept of a "legal name" is a government invention anyway. You need to go through the government to change it. You need to register it with the government when you're born, or when you die. It's a way to indentify us for "legal", government purposes. Every country has their own rules.

And I don't know why I should be scared that the government knows my date of birth and race. I'd be happy to tell anyone who asks.

Mustang · 03-18-2010, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by molson

And I don't know why I should be scared that the government knows my date of birth and race. I'd be happy to tell anyone who asks.

June 13, 1978

molson · 03-18-2010, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mustang

June 13, 1978

I'll expect a birthday card.

sterlingice · 03-18-2010, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Meh. It really depends on whether or not you think the government is actively more evil than, say, Visa or the credit rating agencies.

I'd rather none of the above have my information.

(Tho, again, the census information seems pretty innocuous)

SI

03-17-2010, 03:05 PM	#104
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	I know we had Serak The Preparer. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

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jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	After having to deal with the State of Mass fuckers this was easy. I was pleasantly surprised how unobtrusive it was. __________________ Last edited by jeff061 : 03-17-2010 at 03:36 PM.

03-17-2010, 07:17 PM	#113
Ryche College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Highlands Ranch, CO, USA	Yes, the census is expensive. Yes, a lot of the info is already obtainable somewhere about some people. But the constitution mandates that every person be counted, whether or not they are on gov't lists or such. This could be done cheaper via sampling, but the Supreme Court has said that is not allowed. __________________ Some knots are better left untied.

03-18-2010, 12:02 AM	#116
BYU 14 Coordinator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The scorched Desert	We filled ours out tonight and under race options they have Black, African American, Negro Who even uses the word Negro anymore?

03-17-2010, 03:47 PM	#109
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	I think people grossly overestimate the amount, or rather the completeness or usefulness, of information the government has. They also grossly overestimate how useful information found on the Internet is. As stated elsewhere I can find my contact info on the Internet, for about six places I've lived and no way to tell what is accurate. Thirdly, people overestimate how common it is to be a middle class person who uses the Internet. There are millions of people who virtually do not exist in any electronic form. They may live on cash, live with family, have never had a bank account or credit card, never been listed in a telephone directory. Put this all together and I think it's silly to think a census isn't needed (forget the fact that it is required). I know my dad has gotten great use out of old census reports in doing our genealogy. The fact that it has birth dates, people living together, etc., is hugely important in piecing together any family trees. I don't have any problem filling in my birth date. I have a birth certificate, it's not like it's information I'm hiding from the government. I wonder if people were as paranoid about the government in the 1890 census. Probably I suppose.

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