Unofficial Official 2012-13 College Basketball Thread

[britrock88]

Drama abounds at the end of Wichita State-Creighton, on CBS.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Had to laugh a bit. 9:00 left in the 2nd half in the IU/Mich. game. Total fouls between the two teams combined was eight. I thought to myself that wasn't that many fouls for that far into the half. Then they flashed to a shot of Zeller standing at the line. Guy had abrasions and red marks all up and down his arm.

Guess they're letting them play.

[mauchow]

Well the last two minutes are gauranteed to last 20 minutes. Indiana still has four timeouts

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Helluva finish. Championship Week and the NCAA Tourney are just going to be fantastic. Can't wait.

[dubb93]

Well that was quite the finish. IU wins the big ten.

[cadmus2166]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Well that was quite the finish. IU wins the big ten.

Michigan really blew it at the end. Disappointing.

[rowech]

Originally Posted by cadmus2166

Michigan really blew it at the end. Disappointing.

Have to question the logic of not having any rebounders on the last free throw attempt. You're only up one at that point -- even if you foul you will get ball back. That long rebound would have easily been Michigan's.

[mauchow]

What a game for sure.

I have a sister in law in town all week through the weekend to help with watching our little guy to make things easier for us... I'm still trying to convince myself to head to the B1G Tourney because of the extra help.

With that also gives Indiana a number 1 seed in NCAAs as well barring a loss in their B1G game..but even then I'm not so sure they wouldn't get it.

[Johnny93g]

Indiana is the Big Ten Champs. I'm very excited right now!!

Proud of this team for fighting to the end. Michigan sure helped out at the end with those missed foul shots, but that's the game.

Can I also say i hate Michigan's uniforms. Yellow on yellow. I gotta say I'm very happy IU hasn't jumped into this new fad of ridiculous uniforms..........yet

Fantastic season Big Ten. So much quality in this league.

[Matthean]

Headache not helping nor trying to study C++ and Calc. but I'm getting tired of Michigan being a 2nd to 3rd tier team and then logging onto FB and MSU fans reminding me of this fact. At least their will be football season to shut them up.

Indiana's shot chart in the second half. Another thing that's an annoying trend for Michigan. No real interior defense. Yes, I know Zeller is good, but this is a common theme all too often.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

I hate to say it, because I kinda root for UMass just because I know the other A10 fan on here roots for them... but UMass is very similar to Dayton the last few years, they are always one good win away from ultimate success. UD is several away this year, but UMass could really use this Butler win... and I know that if it were UD that really needed it, they probably wouldn't get it.

Our teams just like to kick us in the nuts.

You pretty much called that one. UMass just got killed on the glass and couldn't hit enough outside shots to beat Butler. Somehow we're still on the bubble though.

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

About 10 minutes to what is tantamount to a playoff for 12th place in the A10, Dayton @ George Washington. GW loses, they're out of the A10 tournament. UD loses, then they have to wait for later games to determine their fate, as various results could put UD, Charlotte, or St. Bonaventure out of the A10 tournament.

A win would put UD in as an 8/9 seed to the A10 tournament, most likely.

Combine this with the Big East uncertainty, and it's pretty nervy times in Flyer-land right now. I'm lucky I have fingernails left.

UD sneaks in as the 12 seed there, and gets Butler. I think they're pretty beatable. Very fundamentally sound, and if the refs let them get away with physical D they're very good back there, but no real offensive threats if you can take away Clarke's 3-point shooting.

UMass gets GW round 1, with the winner advancing to play Temple. Both teams we lost close games to, but fairly good matchups for us - all 3 teams like to get up and down the floor. We'll see if we can take care of business and make a run now.

[Kodos]

Holy shit was that an intense finish. Glad IU was able to pull it out and get the Big Ten title outright. Hulls and our other seniors deserved to go out champs after going through some very difficult seasons early in their careers. Congratulations, boys!

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Wow. You know Flip's issues are pretty obvious when Mizzou's color commentator starts making comments like this....

Link: "I was disappointed a lot Saturday. It's getting a little bit tiresome. We're not getting good play from our PG. We're at that point now (where you have to consider taking Pressey out late in games). I have people come up to me who ask me why Pressey is still out there at the end of the game, and I'm having a tough time answering."

[Butter]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

You pretty much called that one. UMass just got killed on the glass and couldn't hit enough outside shots to beat Butler. Somehow we're still on the bubble though.UD sneaks in as the 12 seed there, and gets Butler. I think they're pretty beatable. Very fundamentally sound, and if the refs let them get away with physical D they're very good back there, but no real offensive threats if you can take away Clarke's 3-point shooting.

UMass gets GW round 1, with the winner advancing to play Temple. Both teams we lost close games to, but fairly good matchups for us - all 3 teams like to get up and down the floor. We'll see if we can take care of business and make a run now.

All the UD fans are excited to get in the tournament, but I just don't see it ending well for us. We need teams to help us beat them, and Butler doesn't do that. GW missed over half it's 40+ free throws (there were 55 total team fouls in that game... 55! one foul called every 40 seconds or so), and missed a TON of shots, but got over 20 offensive rebounds to guide them to a win.

Butler wins by 10.

UMass could certainly get into the semis, but it's just going to be tough. League is so hard this year, it's unreal. Killer teams everywhere. I mean, Dayton is not a bad team, and we got a freakin' 12 seed.

[Butter]

Was watching the end of the CAA semifinal over the weekend, where Northeastern won 69-67. Most amazing part of that was that at one point in the first half, George Mason led 28-4. What a comeback.

[flounder]

Only amazing until you realize who George Mason's coach is. Then it's all too pedestrian.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by flounder

Only amazing until you realize who George Mason's coach is. Then it's all too pedestrian.

Heh.

I hadn't noticed this game until it came up in the thread. Now it's suddenly my favorite result of the whole weekend.

[Matthean]

Tom Crean of Indiana Hoosiers apologizes to Michigan Wolverines' Jeff Meyer for heated exchange - ESPN

Crean can be heard on a video of the incident yelling to Meyer, "You know what you did. You helped wreck our program."

Such a nice guy.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Matthean

Tom Crean of Indiana Hoosiers apologizes to Michigan Wolverines' Jeff Meyer for heated exchange - ESPN

Such a nice guy.

While it wasn't the best way to say it, Indiana isn't the only program Jeff Meyer wrecked. He was part of the Quin Snyder regime at Mizzou that left us with NCAA sanctions as well. I don't know how he keeps getting jobs.

[Johnny93g]

Originally Posted by Matthean

Tom Crean of Indiana Hoosiers apologizes to Michigan Wolverines' Jeff Meyer for heated exchange - ESPN



Such a nice guy.

http://www.wdrb.com/story/21574315/b...handshake-line

The first thing Crean had to do to fix the Indiana program of the toxic atmosphere created by the previous coaching staff was cleanse the locker room of guys recruited by former IU coach Kelvin Sampson and his assistants. Meyer was one of those assistants.

As Dan Dakich, one of Sampson's assistants, told me the other night, Crean didn't start the job teaching the pick and roll. He started by finding cigarette lighters and cleaning out lockers. They had to go. The culture was awful.

That was one way that Sampson, Meyer and the previous staff "helped wreck the program." The other was by putting Indiana on NCAA probation

Haven't you heard, everyone in college basketball are nice guys

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

While it wasn't the best way to say it, Indiana isn't the only program Jeff Meyer wrecked. He was part of the Quin Snyder regime at Mizzou that left us with NCAA sanctions as well. I don't know how he keeps getting jobs.

He was at least cleared of any wrong doing in terms of the Indiana job.

[Kodos]

He was at best a "look the other way" guy. Maybe Crean should have kept it to himself, but can't blame him for not liking Meyer. Seems like Meyer must have said something to provoke Crean's outburst. Sort of like how the retaliator is the one who gets penalized in football games.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Kodos

He was at best a "look the other way" guy. Maybe Crean should have kept it to himself, but can't blame him for not liking Meyer. Seems like Meyer must have said something to provoke Crean's outburst. Sort of like how the retaliator is the one who gets penalized in football games.

Crean unfortunately does come across as an asshat so I'm not sure how much provoking he would need.

[mauchow]

Wow. Bo Ryan is the B1G Coach of the year. I think it was only deserving if they didn't lose to Purdue last week. With that having happened I think it should have gone to Izzo.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by Matthean

Crean unfortunately does come across as an asshat so I'm not sure how much provoking he would need.

You seem to be a bit bitter that IU is no longer a punching bag. Remember when you whined about us not having to play good teams on the road? I guess we took care of that complaint.

I get it. Fans of fellow Big Ten teams don't like that IU is back atop the Big Ten, and have a young coach who could conceivably have them regularly challenging for first place for a couple of decades.

[Scoobz0202]

Originally Posted by Kodos

You seem to be a bit bitter that IU is no longer a punching bag. Remember when you whined about us not having to play good teams on the road? I guess we took care of that complaint.

I get it. Fans of fellow Big Ten teams don't like that IU is back atop the Big Ten, and have a young coach who could conceivably have them regularly challenging for first place for a couple of decades.

I mean, I don't mind seeing Indiana back on top. I'm indifferent. But I've read before that Tom Crean isn't exactly the nicest guy in the world.

Is it worth a post when he is a douchebag? Prolly not.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Was watching the end of the CAA semifinal over the weekend, where Northeastern won 69-67. Most amazing part of that was that at one point in the first half, George Mason led 28-4. What a comeback.

Well, James Madison (which won the other semi in the last minute after a dumb play by Delaware) is up on them 24-6 early, so hopefully they have some more magic.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by Scoobz0202

I mean, I don't mind seeing Indiana back on top. I'm indifferent. But I've read before that Tom Crean isn't exactly the nicest guy in the world.

Is it worth a post when he is a douchebag? Prolly not.

Are there a lot of top coaches who are super nice?

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by Kodos

You seem to be a bit bitter that IU is no longer a punching bag. Remember when you whined about us not having to play good teams on the road? I guess we took care of that complaint.

I get it. Fans of fellow Big Ten teams don't like that IU is back atop the Big Ten, and have a young coach who could conceivably have them regularly challenging for first place for a couple of decades.

Next year will be a slightly better determination of how good a coach Crean is. How does he bounce back from an early exit of the NCAA Tourney with the loss of Zeller and Oladipo and Hulls?

Oh did I say that? Lol... I do think Indiana should get to the Elite 8 with ease and then beyond that is all luck of the draw really.

[Kodos]

Sure, next year should be tougher. But Crean should get some credit for developing Oladipo from a lightly-regarded 3-star player into a legitimate contender for national player of the year. I think Oladipo is gone, but Cody might stick around another year. And who knows, if we don't win it all, they both might come back and try to finish the job.

We have some nice talent coming in next year as well. IU may not be the favorite next year, but they'll be in the hunt for the Big Ten title.

Meanwhile, Wisconsin will be working their way towards another 4th or 5th place finish.

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Sure, next year should be tougher. But Crean should get some credit for developing Oladipo from a lightly-regarded 3-star player into a legitimate contender for national player of the year. I think Oladipo is gone, but Cody might stick around another year. And who knows, if we don't win it all, they both might come back and try to finish the job.

We have some nice talent coming in next year as well. IU may not be the favorite next year, but they'll be in the hunt for the Big Ten title.

Meanwhile, Wisconsin will be working their way towards another 4th or 5th place finish.

If both Zeller and Oladipo stay on board Crean will have to figure out what to do with his offered scholarships that are banking on those two leaving.

And Bo has never finished 5th or worse.

[Johnny93g]

Originally Posted by mauchow

Next year will be a slightly better determination of how good a coach Crean is. How does he bounce back from an early exit of the NCAA Tourney with the loss of Zeller and Oladipo and Hulls?

It's funny, he built the team from nothing, absolutely nothing, and your saying how he bounces back next determines how good a coach he is?

I don't see the logic there.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by mauchow

If both Zeller and Oladipo stay on board Crean will have to figure out what to do with his offered scholarships that are banking on those two leaving.

And Bo has never finished 5th or worse.

Cody has already said that if he does come back, he will pay his own way.

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by Johnny93g

It's funny, he built the team from nothing, absolutely nothing, and your saying how he bounces back next determines how good a coach he is?

I don't see the logic there.

There is no denying he has brought them back but can he sustain it? Thats my point. Its fricken Indiana and with that comes rich history so it should be easier to succeed there imo.

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Cody has already said that if he does come back, he will pay his own way.

The NCAA prohibits that. If a kid had a scholarship he has to stay on it while playing.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

The NCAA prohibits that. If a kid had a scholarship he has to stay on it while playing.

are you certain about that? Jake Locker payed his own way after getting a baseball signing bonus.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by mauchow

There is no denying he has brought them back but can he sustain it? Thats my point. Its fricken Indiana and with that comes rich history so it should be easier to succeed there imo.

I don't think that is a fair statement to make, especially anymore. IU was so far down and what Creen has done is nothing short of amazing. Does having that tradition help, sure, but you still have to get kids to go there and coach them up.

There is a laundry list of guys who took over programs with rich histories and failed, you still need to be a top coach.

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by Lathum

are you certain about that? Jake Locker payed his own way after getting a baseball signing bonus.

He may have paid his own way but he still counted against the scholarship limit.

[HeavyReign]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

He may have paid his own way but he still counted against the scholarship limit.

Locker didn't count against the 85 man limit. Taylor Rochestie paid his own way his last year at Washington State so that they could give a scholarship to Marcus Capers as well.

Edit: Capers talks about it here: http://wsm.wsu.edu/s/index.php?id=984#.UT6QzVeRfiE

[tarcone]

Iowa needs to win 2 in the B1G tourney to have a shot at the NCAAs. That means a victory over MSU. That would be sweet. Iowa has done it before, ran the table when they werent expected too. Maybe, just maybe.

[tarcone]

As for the scholly thing. That is an interesting loop hole. I could see programs having players "pay" their "own" way and giving their scholly to another stud player.

[jbergey22]

Crean is a workaholic and learned from one of the best in Izzo. Indiana will be a constant in the top 10 until Crean moves on or retires.

I thought it would take years for Indiana to recover. It was a remarkable turnaround.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Kodos

You seem to be a bit bitter that IU is no longer a punching bag.

I honestly don't care how good Indiana is or not. If anything, I like having Indiana being good.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by Lathum

There is a laundry list of guys who took over programs with rich histories and failed, you still need to be a top coach.

There's also a laundry list of guys who were not interested in the job when it was open. Crean was the only one willing to stick his neck out and try to turn things around. I think part of what has driven his success is his complete buy-in to Indiana traditions and beliefs. He's even tried to reach out to Knight. Of course, Knight has ignored all of Crean's attempts.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by Matthean

I honestly don't care how good Indiana is or not. If anything, I like having Indiana being good.

That's interesting, because you have seemed irritated by IU's success. Which is understandable, because a good chunk of that success has come at the expense of your team.

I understand irrational dislike for a coach. I can't stand Coach K, but I'm pretty sure I'd like him if he were coaching a team I liked. People look for reasons to rip on successful coaches. Crean has put himself in the crosshairs. I hope he does it even more with a championship this year.

[Butter]

Kodos, it's nice to see IU fans back to being dicks so I can feel justified in hating them again.

I mean, really... "I get it. Fans of fellow Big Ten teams don't like that IU is back atop the Big Ten, "

No. Crean is acting like an asshat lately, and he gets to be called on it, period. As a fan, you have the right to not like him being called on it, but let's not act like it's an "everybody hates IU because we're winning now" complex. It's a "Crean is acting like an ass" complex. That's it. Because he is.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Kodos, it's nice to see IU fans back to being dicks so I can feel justified in hating them again.

I mean, really... "I get it. Fans of fellow Big Ten teams don't like that IU is back atop the Big Ten, "

No. Crean is acting like an asshat lately, and he gets to be called on it, period. As a fan, you have the right to not like him being called on it, but let's not act like it's an "everybody hates IU because we're winning now" complex. It's a "Crean is acting like an ass" complex. That's it. Because he is.

Yeah MBBF gets a lot of crap for being a Mizzou homer but geez what is this IU crap about? They won the game and Creen goes after an assistant and then is pulled off the court with a huge smirk on his face. A few weeks ago they are flopping like soccer players to try and draw fouls. I think it is fair to discuss that Creen is a bit of an ass. (And I could give two shits about the Big Ten so it isn't some sort of complex about the Hoosiers success)

[Marmel]

Yeah, Crean is quickly moving up the list of biggest douchebag coaches in MBB. Shouldn't he be thanking that assistant coach for fucking up his program so he could get the job in the first place?

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Marmel

Yeah, Crean is quickly moving up the list of biggest douchebag coaches in MBB. Shouldn't he be thanking that assistant coach for fucking up his program so he could get the job in the first place?

I was confused by that too.

[Logan]

This guy was on the national radar as a tiny 4* PG with some crazy ball handling skills. He committed to Seton Hall although not many people figured he'd end up there, he had academic issues and then legal problems. Now he's going to Brandon Jennings route.

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