WW XCII Sparta -- Claimed by Villagers

[saldana]

for those wondering about the dubb v saldana thing..some light reading

Werewolf XV: Round 'Em Up And Hang 'Em! - Page 10 - Front Office Football Central

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

unvote BK
vote dubb

reasons stated above. If it is a showdown between dubb and I, so be it.

Your vote for Barkeep was the single oddest vote of the day so far and you have failed to explain it. You made the vote with no explanation and when called on it by two people said you thought it was obvious why you cast the vote. You were wrong.

[PurdueBrad]

I have no problem with that, it must be obvious because it was in my head. And I'll take any vote for it, just don't be surprised when I throw one back on you. I never said your vote for me was a bad one, I just hit with an equal retaliation vote, which you seem to be racking up today.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by saldana

for those wondering about the dubb v saldana thing..some light reading

Werewolf XV: Round 'Em Up And Hang 'Em! - Page 10 - Front Office Football Central

Ha, nothin' like a good ol' fashioned "We're both the same role!" showdown.

What's with all the post editin' in that thread!?!

[jeheinz72]

So dubb, are you just a wild firin' villager here? I think there's a 4-year-old in the freezer section that you haven't voted for yet.

I'm actually thinking of switching *off* of you, since I think you're just stirring things, but let's start focusing here a bit.

[Danny]

Looks like

saldana -- 0
Danny -- 0
jeheinz72 -- 0
Barkeep49 -- 0
dubb93 -- 3 jeheinz72 (19) saldana (60), PurdueBrad (149)
The Jackal -- 1 Poli (25)
Poli -- 2 The Jackal (26) Barkeep49 (41)
DaddyTorgo -- 1 claphamsa (120)
PurdueBrad 1 Dubb (147)

Yet to vote DT and Danny

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

So dubb, are you just a wild firin' villager here? I think there's a 4-year-old in the freezer section that you haven't voted for yet.

I'm actually thinking of switching *off* of you, since I think you're just stirring things, but let's start focusing here a bit.

Well if it means anything I've tossed out three votes so far and it seems the PB one has stuck.

[dubb93]

And this thread was sorely lacking activity, I don't apologize for what I have done today. Someone needed to do it.

[PurdueBrad]

Heinz, I kind of agree with you that a wolf may not play this over the top. I think the confusion helps the wolves keep things unclear but maybe you're right.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Let me throw some back, but I've usually read the generation of drama and push to put attention on others a wolf-tactic, particularly early. All it does is create confusion, multiple vote moves which muddies the data, and pushes attention away from yourself. Just saying...

How many unvotes and votes you cast so far today compared to me?

[dubb93]

Danny not casting a vote yet is odd too. He has had all the time is the world to cast a vote. He was here last night and today. He even acknowledged he hasn't cast a vote. What the hell is he waiting on?

[Danny]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Danny not casting a vote yet is odd too. He has had all the time is the world to cast a vote. He was here last night and today. He even acknowledged he hasn't cast a vote. What the hell is he waiting on?

I like to see what develops. I have a much better idea where I'll be heading with my vote now than I did last night. And that will probably become more clear as we see what actions take place before deadline. Would you rather me switch my vote three times?

[dubb93]

And just like that Danny enters the thread.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by dubb93

And just like that Danny enters the thread.

I've been in the thread all morning, not really sure what that is supposed to mean.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Danny

I've been in the thread all morning, not really sure what that is supposed to mean.

Don't read into it.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Don't read into it.

looks like someone has a case of the Mondays....

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

looks like someone has a case of the Mondays....

Danny wasn't here when I started typing that. When I posted it I looked at the bottom and there was Danny.

[dubb93]

Those that are on me Heinz and Sal I urge you to move off me and vote PB.

[dubb93]

I REALLY think I caught a wolf here.

[dubb93]

Sometimes when you fish in enough spots you get a good bite. I think I landed this one.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Those that are on me Heinz and Sal I urge you to move off me and vote PB.

I'm going to need more than what you've presented me with here. What's your "case" against PB? That he didn't substantiate his vote onto BK?

[jeheinz72]

Also, why only urge Sal and I to switch? Shouldn't you be asking all non-PB voters to switch?

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

I'm going to need more than what you've presented me with here. What's your "case" against PB? That he didn't substantiate his vote onto BK?

Yes. And then he attempted to throw suspecion back on me basing it on the fact that I have voted for three people today......he has too! He just has given me a bad feeling. The way he reacted to me calling him on BK and voting me him was unlike anyone else I have voted today.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Also, why only urge Sal and I to switch? Shouldn't you be asking all non-PB voters to switch?

I would urge anyone who wants to vote for PB to vote for him but I kinda got a real vested interest in you two switching off me. I was giving you my top suspect as a way to get off me.

[dubb93]

I'll eat my foot if PB isn't bad.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by dubb93

I'll eat my foot if PB isn't bad.

While my vote is leaning towards one of you, I would consider voting just to potentially see that.

[The Jackal]

Just got back and caught up, I don't know if I've seen so much vote movement on day 1. Gotta process it, still have a few hours.. the rate it's going we'll have completely different candidates.

Interesting reasoning on PB - I certainly have no qualms about switching since my Poli vote was merely a return fire, but I'd like to hear from PB first.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Danny

While my vote is leaning towards one of you, I would consider voting just to potentially see that.

[jeheinz72]

Seriously, the foot thing may be the best reason yet I've read for jumping.

I'm staying put for now. I see no problem with a you v PB showdown. I think with the amount of switching and general nefarity you two have done, you two are a good shot at a wolf/villager pair.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Danny

While my vote is leaning towards one of you, I would consider voting just to potentially see that.

+1

[The Jackal]

I wonder if there's any cannibalism going on in Athens.

[claphamsa]

self canibalism as well....

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

self canibalism as well....

Only in Sparta I'm sure.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

How often though is the person we vote out for non-participation a wolf? It isn't about keeping DT in the game, it's about not hurting the village by taking out any kind of villager regardless of participation. This argument completely backfires here if DT is a wolf but I think we're better off crossing him off for now, and looking for the two wolves in the other eight spots. I think DT not showing yet could be a benefit.

We have no reason to believe he checked in to discover his role or not. We've seen this nonparticipation argument used before and the person turned out to be a wolf. we've seen this nonparticipation argument used before and the person turned out to be a villager. Doing anything that encourages nonparticipation is bad, in my opinion, for the game, both on an individual level, and more broadly speaking.

[Danny]

They only drink wine and write poetry in Athens.

[dubb93]

Don't let me down Barkeep!

[Danny]

Alright, well I'm going to start getting ready to go. I'll be back on for a little while before leaving and am going to try to be back on before deadline, but it will be close.

I am going to Vote PurdueBrad for now.

[Danny]

I'm open to voting DT, but I think I've decided not to vote Dubb. I just don't see wolf from him after just playing a game with him as a wolf.

Whatever direction we decide to go, we really need to narrow the vote down though.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Don't let me down Barkeep!

Let you down how?

[The Jackal]

I think he wants you to vote for PB.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Let you down how?

He's urging people to vote PB.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Let you down how?

By not voting PB and letting me get lynched.

[dubb93]

Seems I have to go. Will be back after deadline. Let's lynch this wolf.

[PurdueBrad]

here, I'll make it much easier for you. If you're really looking for reasons to vote me, I'm one of the two marathon runners. Only problem is...I'm the good one. But hey, follow dubb and lynch a good guy.

Look, I think there is a wolf in this duo and it's certainly not me.

[PurdueBrad]

BK, that gives you all the reason in the world to vote for me now, same with the rest of you, and hide behind the fact that "Hey, it was 50-50." But I'm guaranteeing you, up and down, that I am the good marathon runner.

[jeheinz72]

Hrm.

[saldana]

if nothing else, dubb is very good at stirring the pot and making people confused, but alot of the time when he does that, he trips people into making mistakes

that said, I have also seen dubb convince himself of something and refuse to be swayed by any argument, and in the end be totally wrong...although that is a fault of every person that has played this game at some time or another.

at this point in the game, i am inclined to go with him on the PB thing...i was as thrown as he was when that vote dropped out of no where, and as much as PB would like to imagine his reasoning was obvious, I still dont really understand it a page later.

As for Daddy Torgo, I think someone else mentioned this earlier, but isnt he notorious for not have access to the board until later in the day on Mondays? I seem to remember lynching him at least once and after the day was over he showed up and quoted his own post from very early in the thread where he said he doesnt have a way to get on the board until he gets to work.

anyway, for as many of my own reasons as for Dubbs

unvote dubb93
vote purduebrad

[saldana]

interesting that things have gone quiet in the wake of the "reveal" by PB.

i am not really sure what to make of it...if he is telling the truth, that may actually be the best choice for us, as was pointed out before...we have a 50% chance of driving a wolf out of town, and assuming at some point the Athens runner shows up here, and we then lynch him, anyone in Sparta at the time will know who to kill in Hades should they be sent there.

i am pretty happy with my vote right now

[claphamsa]

Im still confused by this... If we find out someone is a wolf when we lynch them.... how would they not just get killed very soon in hades?

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by saldana

interesting that things have gone quiet in the wake of the "reveal" by PB.

i am not really sure what to make of it...if he is telling the truth, that may actually be the best choice for us, as was pointed out before...we have a 50% chance of driving a wolf out of town, and assuming at some point the Athens runner shows up here, and we then lynch him, anyone in Sparta at the time will know who to kill in Hades should they be sent there.

i am pretty happy with my vote right now

I'm on the fence. 50/50 is indeed a great shot, but things just aren't sitting well with me on the whole mess. Seems like a two-person-tango here.