2017-2018 College Basketball Thread - Page 4

Kodos · 02-16-2018, 08:07 AM

Was just coming to post that same article. It'll be interesting to watch.

MrBug708 · 02-16-2018, 08:23 AM

UCLA isn't going to escape this round I think

miami_fan · 02-16-2018, 08:56 AM

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“If the NCAA is going to get Andy Miller’s bank records, God bless them, I don’t know what they’re going to do,” said another source with direct knowledge of the situation, chuckling at the thought. “You are better off changing the rules. The crazy part of this business is none of the kids are free.”

I am not sure "crazy" is the word I would use.

BishopMVP · 02-16-2018, 09:25 AM

Considering the punishment the NCAA gave Penn State & UNC in those huge cases, I'm betting against this being CCNY part 2.

But for fun, let's look at those top 16 teams on the list. Auburn & Arizona we know about. I think Kansas is the only other Adidas school on the list. It's borderline profiling, but I just assume Cincinnati, Clemson and Tennessee are dirty. Texas Tech seems like a good candidate - you'd need to pay me to spend college in Lubbock. I assume Duke and UNC are dirty, but I also assume they'll skate on any real punishment. The one school on that list I would be absolutely shocked by is Purdue.

It will also be quite amusing when/if all these high profile schools and coaches are getting busted except Calipari & Kentucky

If they could actually get things to stick against Boeheim & Kryszewskyi I would love it.

Butter · 02-16-2018, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

But for fun, let's look at those top 16 teams on the list. Auburn & Arizona we know about. I think Kansas is the only other Adidas school on the list. It's borderline profiling, but I just assume Cincinnati, Clemson and Tennessee are dirty.

Clemson? The "hasn't been to the NCAA tournament in 7 years" Clemson? I guess we'll see, but I'd be surprised.

I would go:
Auburn
Kansas
Duke
Michigan St.
UNC
Arizona

Mizzou B-ball fan · 02-16-2018, 11:29 AM

Could be the last straw for Izzo. Can't believe he had the balls to make the comments he has made over the last few months while he's know about this situation since last year.

Michigan State basketball player under criminal investigation for sexual misconduct

Kodos · 02-16-2018, 11:41 AM

Very disappointed in MSU. I'd really grown to like both the football and basketball teams, but that's out the window at this point.

miami_fan · 02-16-2018, 12:19 PM

Not that I agree with this but doesn't Izzo have to say the things he said to preserve the privacy of the investigation and protect the player?

JonInMiddleGA · 02-16-2018, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter

Clemson? The "hasn't been to the NCAA tournament in 7 years" Clemson? I guess we'll see, but I'd be surprised.

Kinda my thought largely about Tennessee as well. If they spent big bucks, they sure didn't have a lot to show for it.

Bruce was stupid, but the program never felt like it was spending big bucks (hence the need to do sketchy bbq dinners at his house)

JPhillips · 02-17-2018, 10:56 AM

I don't expect much in the tournament, but Holtzman has done a tremendous job at OSU.

BishopMVP · 02-17-2018, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter

Clemson? The "hasn't been to the NCAA tournament in 7 years" Clemson? I guess we'll see, but I'd be surprised.

I would go:
Auburn
Kansas
Duke
Michigan St.
UNC
Arizona

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Kinda my thought largely about Tennessee as well. If they spent big bucks, they sure didn't have a lot to show for it.

Bruce was stupid, but the program never felt like it was spending big bucks (hence the need to do sketchy bbq dinners at his house)

In both cases it's less the coach or program itself and more what they're surrounded with (SEC(ish) football). A lot of this scandal is less coaches directly paying players and more the parents/uncles/hanger ons around recruits asking for money and getting it from interested parties. Just like when Marcus Camby was getting paid at UMass, it certainly wasn't by us to get him to go there, but we got punished nonetheless.

Atocep · 02-17-2018, 07:26 PM

Playing at Kansas is always entertaining.

Three throw disparity:

WVU: 2
Kansas: 35

JonInMiddleGA · 02-17-2018, 08:12 PM

Auburn: nobody will have a worse loss in the conference than us this weekend

Tennessee: hold our beer

MizzouRah · 02-18-2018, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

Playing at Kansas is always entertaining.

Three throw disparity:

WVU: 2
Kansas: 35

I would have been thrown out as well.

MizzouRah · 02-18-2018, 09:15 AM

Mizzou can't hit free throws and lose to LSU. Not a good loss.

Atocep · 02-18-2018, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

I would have been thrown out as well.

Putting last night into perspective:

Kansas was 316th in the country at 16 free throw attempts per game.

WVU was 115th with 20.6

That is the largest free throw disparity Kansas has ever had in a Big 12 game and the largest they've had in over 20 years in any game.

Before last night, WVU had shot 2 free throws or less in a game 1 time since 1906.

It's always bad at Allen Fieldhouse, and that's probably why Kansas has lost in the 1st or 2nd round of the NCAA tournament 8 times in 20 years, but last night was the worst free throw disparity in over 110 years of WVU basketball and the worst ever for Kansas against a major conference opponent.

MizzouRah · 02-18-2018, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

Putting last night into perspective:

Kansas was 316th in the country at 16 free throw attempts per game.

WVU was 115th with 20.6

That is the largest free throw disparity Kansas has ever had in a Big 12 game and the largest they've had in over 20 years in any game.

Before last night, WVU had shot 2 free throws or less in a game 1 time since 1906.

It's always bad at Allen Fieldhouse, and that's probably why Kansas has lost in the 1st or 2nd round of the NCAA tournament 8 times in 20 years, but last night was the worst free throw disparity in over 110 years of WVU basketball and the worst ever for Kansas against a major conference opponent.

miami_fan · 02-20-2018, 11:33 AM

NCAA denies Louisville's appeal, rules Cardinals must vacate 2013 national title

Kodos · 02-20-2018, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

NCAA denies Louisville's appeal, rules Cardinals must vacate 2013 national title

Couldn't happen to a nicer team.

JPhillips · 02-22-2018, 07:45 AM

Has any program punched above its weight longer and more consistently than Xavier?

Warhammer · 02-22-2018, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

Has any program punched above its weight longer and more consistently than Xavier?

I have always had a soft spot for Xavier for precisely that reason.

Butter · 02-22-2018, 11:56 AM

Xavier can go fuck themselves.

Kodos · 02-22-2018, 12:27 PM

Tell us how you really feel!

Butter · 02-22-2018, 12:33 PM

<========== Note location

MrBug708 · 02-22-2018, 12:58 PM

Gonzaga has been pretty good for a while too

Butter · 02-22-2018, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter

Clemson? The "hasn't been to the NCAA tournament in 7 years" Clemson? I guess we'll see, but I'd be surprised.

I would go:
Auburn
Kansas
Duke
Michigan St.
UNC
Arizona

I said this, then I saw 3 Clemson player names come up in an article yesterday. So. Maybe they were just really bad at it.

panerd · 02-22-2018, 06:06 PM

Fingers crossed. This team seems to have hit a brick wall this could hopefully give us a shot in the arm for a serious tournament run. Don't know when (or if) he will play but looking more likely!

https://www.si.com/college-basketbal...souri-freshman

MizzouRah · 02-23-2018, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by panerd

Fingers crossed. This team seems to have hit a brick wall this could hopefully give us a shot in the arm for a serious tournament run. Don't know when (or if) he will play but looking more likely!

https://www.si.com/college-basketbal...souri-freshman

They need 20 wins to make me feel comfortable we would be in.

Getting PJ would definitely give them a shot in the arm!

Kodos · 02-23-2018, 07:43 AM

Hoops corruption case docs list players involved, payment amounts

cartman · 02-23-2018, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

Hoops corruption case docs list players involved, payment amounts

Looks like Texas got caught in the net. Current player Eric Davis, Jr. got $1,500 from ASM, and former player Prince Ibeh met with associates of ASM.

Kodos · 02-23-2018, 09:31 AM

Yep. A lot of schools involved.

murrayyyyy · 02-23-2018, 09:48 AM

The NCAA Says Student-Athletes Shouldnâ€™t Be Paid Because the 13th Amendment Allows Unpaid Prison Labor

Take all the money you want, after all the NCAA claims you don't deserve any since they don't pay prisoners for their work in jail.

MrBug708 · 02-23-2018, 11:14 AM

Couldn't have been Alford, sadly

CU Tiger · 02-23-2018, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter

I said this, then I saw 3 Clemson player names come up in an article yesterday. So. Maybe they were just really bad at it.

Shut the program down. Close it. Demolish Littlejohn and add football parking. Clear how I feel?

Atocep · 02-23-2018, 05:58 PM

As I've said on here before, pretty much all 5 star recruits and some 4s get some pretty serious money or benefits. If you think your school landed a 5 star recruit without him getting something you're delusional. College basketball was a ticking time bomb for probe like this.

MizzouRah · 02-23-2018, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

As I've said on here before, pretty much all 5 star recruits and some 4s get some pretty serious money or benefits. If you think your school landed a 5 star recruit without him getting something you're delusional. College basketball was a ticking time bomb for probe like this.

Exactly.. it's in ALL of college sports too, not just basketball.

JonInMiddleGA · 02-23-2018, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Exactly.. it's in ALL of college sports too, not just basketball.

Yes, however the wage scale drops to roughly a BOGO coupon at Taco Bell (valid Mon-Thu) for a lot of sports.

Atocep · 02-23-2018, 09:12 PM

Well Sean Miller is done at Arizona.

JPhillips · 02-23-2018, 09:16 PM

How is the NCAA going to minimize this? They can't suspend all these coaches and programs can they?

cartman · 02-23-2018, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

How is the NCAA going to minimize this? They can't suspend all these coaches and programs can they?

Poor Grand Valley State is going to get the death penalty.

Chief Rum · 02-24-2018, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

Well Sean Miller is done at Arizona.

Couldn't happen to a better guy.

MizzouRah · 02-24-2018, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Yes, however the wage scale drops to roughly a BOGO coupon at Taco Bell (valid Mon-Thu) for a lot of sports.

Agreed.. but it's still a violation of the NCAA rules. I wonder how this will stop? I highly doubt it ever does..

MrBug708 · 02-24-2018, 09:50 AM

Sean Miller has a buyout clause of 85% of the remaining balance. So his buyout amount is 10 million if Arizona fires him. Richrod got pretty much all of his money as well when he was fired. I can see the other reasons why Greg Byrne left to Alabama when he did.

miami_fan · 02-24-2018, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Agreed.. but it's still a violation of the NCAA rules. I wonder how this will stop? I highly doubt it ever does..

Change the rules.

BishopMVP · 02-24-2018, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Sean Miller has a buyout clause of 85% of the remaining balance. So his buyout amount is 10 million if Arizona fires him. Richrod got pretty much all of his money as well when he was fired. I can see the other reasons why Greg Byrne left to Alabama when he did.

There's nothing in there about firing with cause? Because offering bribes on a wiretap and getting the program heavily sanctioned would seem to justify a firing.

A lot of the schools/players listed are really minor things (getting meals/flights to meet with an agent), so I can't wait to be outraged when Duke isn't punished as hard as UMass was when that same thing happened with Camby.

molson · 02-24-2018, 12:06 PM

I think the NCAA is just going to try to let this all blow over like they always do (a small handful of coaches will take the fall and then we'll move on like nothing happened), but I wonder when the I.R.S. is going to becoming interested in these payments, as they get higher and higher.

MrBug708 · 02-24-2018, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

There's nothing in there about firing with cause? Because offering bribes on a wiretap and getting the program heavily sanctioned would seem to justify a firing.

A lot of the schools/players listed are really minor things (getting meals/flights to meet with an agent), so I can't wait to be outraged when Duke isn't punished as hard as UMass was when that same thing happened with Camby.

Sorry, his buyout clause with cause is 85%

kingfc22 · 02-24-2018, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Sorry, his buyout clause with cause is 85%

Yeesh. You’d think these universities would have better legal departments. That’s laughable.

JPhillips · 02-24-2018, 12:48 PM

Why do they care? The athletic director and President may be gone before it matters and even if they aren't basically nobody at that level suffers professional consequences for spending too much in an effort to win.

molson · 02-24-2018, 01:05 PM

They have a game in about 8 hours - are Miller and Ayton just going to show up like nothing happened?

Emmert said that it's up to the school what they do and no NCAA process has been initiated.

02-16-2018, 09:25 AM	#154
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	Considering the punishment the NCAA gave Penn State & UNC in those huge cases, I'm betting against this being CCNY part 2. But for fun, let's look at those top 16 teams on the list. Auburn & Arizona we know about. I think Kansas is the only other Adidas school on the list. It's borderline profiling, but I just assume Cincinnati, Clemson and Tennessee are dirty. Texas Tech seems like a good candidate - you'd need to pay me to spend college in Lubbock. I assume Duke and UNC are dirty, but I also assume they'll skate on any real punishment. The one school on that list I would be absolutely shocked by is Purdue. It will also be quite amusing when/if all these high profile schools and coaches are getting busted except Calipari & Kentucky If they could actually get things to stick against Boeheim & Kryszewskyi I would love it. Last edited by BishopMVP : 02-16-2018 at 09:31 AM.

02-16-2018, 11:41 AM	#157
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Very disappointed in MSU. I'd really grown to like both the football and basketball teams, but that's out the window at this point. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

02-16-2018, 12:19 PM	#158
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	Not that I agree with this but doesn't Izzo have to say the things he said to preserve the privacy of the investigation and protect the player? __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

02-17-2018, 10:56 AM	#160
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	I don't expect much in the tournament, but Holtzman has done a tremendous job at OSU. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

02-17-2018, 07:26 PM	#162
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	Playing at Kansas is always entertaining. Three throw disparity: WVU: 2 Kansas: 35 Last edited by Atocep : 02-17-2018 at 07:33 PM.

02-16-2018, 08:07 AM	#151
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Was just coming to post that same article. It'll be interesting to watch.

02-16-2018, 08:23 AM	#152
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	UCLA isn't going to escape this round I think

02-16-2018, 11:29 AM	#156
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	Could be the last straw for Izzo. Can't believe he had the balls to make the comments he has made over the last few months while he's know about this situation since last year. Michigan State basketball player under criminal investigation for sexual misconduct

02-17-2018, 08:12 PM	#163
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Auburn: nobody will have a worse loss in the conference than us this weekend Tennessee: hold our beer __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

02-18-2018, 09:15 AM	#165
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Mizzou can't hit free throws and lose to LSU. Not a good loss.

02-20-2018, 11:33 AM	#168
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	NCAA denies Louisville's appeal, rules Cardinals must vacate 2013 national title __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

02-22-2018, 07:45 AM	#170
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	Has any program punched above its weight longer and more consistently than Xavier? __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

02-22-2018, 11:56 AM	#172
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	Xavier can go fuck themselves. __________________ My listening habits

02-22-2018, 12:27 PM	#173
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Tell us how you really feel! __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

02-22-2018, 12:33 PM	#174
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	<========== Note location __________________ My listening habits

02-22-2018, 12:58 PM	#175
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Gonzaga has been pretty good for a while too

02-22-2018, 06:06 PM	#177
panerd Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: St. Louis	Fingers crossed. This team seems to have hit a brick wall this could hopefully give us a shot in the arm for a serious tournament run. Don't know when (or if) he will play but looking more likely! https://www.si.com/college-basketbal...souri-freshman Last edited by panerd : 02-22-2018 at 06:07 PM.

02-23-2018, 07:43 AM	#179
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Hoops corruption case docs list players involved, payment amounts __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

02-23-2018, 09:31 AM	#181
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Yep. A lot of schools involved. __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

02-23-2018, 09:48 AM	#182
murrayyyyy College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Las Vegas	The NCAA Says Student-Athletes Shouldnâ€™t Be Paid Because the 13th Amendment Allows Unpaid Prison Labor Take all the money you want, after all the NCAA claims you don't deserve any since they don't pay prisoners for their work in jail.

02-23-2018, 11:14 AM	#183
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Couldn't have been Alford, sadly

02-23-2018, 05:58 PM	#185
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	As I've said on here before, pretty much all 5 star recruits and some 4s get some pretty serious money or benefits. If you think your school landed a 5 star recruit without him getting something you're delusional. College basketball was a ticking time bomb for probe like this.

02-23-2018, 09:12 PM	#188
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	Well Sean Miller is done at Arizona.

02-23-2018, 09:16 PM	#189
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	How is the NCAA going to minimize this? They can't suspend all these coaches and programs can they? __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

02-24-2018, 09:50 AM	#193
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Sean Miller has a buyout clause of 85% of the remaining balance. So his buyout amount is 10 million if Arizona fires him. Richrod got pretty much all of his money as well when he was fired. I can see the other reasons why Greg Byrne left to Alabama when he did.

02-24-2018, 12:06 PM	#196
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	I think the NCAA is just going to try to let this all blow over like they always do (a small handful of coaches will take the fall and then we'll move on like nothing happened), but I wonder when the I.R.S. is going to becoming interested in these payments, as they get higher and higher.

02-24-2018, 12:48 PM	#199
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	Why do they care? The athletic director and President may be gone before it matters and even if they aren't basically nobody at that level suffers professional consequences for spending too much in an effort to win. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

02-24-2018, 01:05 PM	#200
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	They have a game in about 8 hours - are Miller and Ayton just going to show up like nothing happened? Emmert said that it's up to the school what they do and no NCAA process has been initiated.

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