WW XCIII - Mine Wars - Battle of Blair Mountain - SYMPATHIZERS WIN!!!

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

the PB vote day one has become a bit of a joke but I actually had no plan on voting him this game but that day two flop just eats at me. Especially with Jackal staying on the mission it seems like a sympathiser trying to get out of the line of fire so there wouldn't be two of their own standing out for going on the mission instead of the camp.

I understand where EF is coming from but I firmly believed that the items were important. IF I were a wolf, I would stayed there with Jackal to have a shot to get two items and would've outright said screw the village OR I would have put my move in for the mission and "left for the day." Neither of which I did.

I may have been misguided (but now that we lost the camp anyway, I'm not so sure) but I do openly stand by that choice. I did nothing sneaky and admitted I was being selfish.

The one thing I don't get is the Jackal connection he's making. I read the description differently from others but all the searchers were going, Norm and I considered going, I don't know how that makes a link between me and Jackal, particularly when it wasn't a success or failure mission.

For the record, I also voted Jackal twice. The night he got duked away from and the night he got lynched.

[PurdueBrad]

The above should not be taken to cast suspicion on EF, Poli proved he's good. I just think he's off on his read but I understand (see my voting record two games ago when, despite being good, I think the only time I voted for a wolf was when I caught them doing their kill).

[jeheinz72]

That all makes sense PB, just tying up some mental loose ends. I don't really get you taking heat for being on the mission and then switching. I mean realistically, didn't our friggin seer do the same thing?

[jeheinz72]

DT has been unusally quiet this game. Though given how DT typically plays, I'm not sure that's an indictment

[PurdueBrad]

Heinz, I appreciate it. I've got to be honest, I don't have a great read on anybody. I feel like there are several guys that are playing very, very low key but at the same time it isn't necessarily out of character for them. I'm on dubb right now just because he seems very different than last game in the sense that he's not trying to run the show or be as involved.

[PurdueBrad]

Had it not been for the arrest, USFL Tecmo would be someone I would've considered right now but that semi-clears him.

I'm going to go back at some point today to look at which nights had no kills to see if there is a bribe we could've missed on someone after they were cleared. I doubt it but hell, I got nothing else.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Heinz, I appreciate it. I've got to be honest, I don't have a great read on anybody. I feel like there are several guys that are playing very, very low key but at the same time it isn't necessarily out of character for them. I'm on dubb right now just because he seems very different than last game in the sense that he's not trying to run the show or be as involved.

I'm basically in the same boat. Granted, I'm in no place to be casting many aspersions as I'm as uncleared as they come but I don't know, this game just gives me the heebie-jeebies. I get the feeling we're being completely snowed by someone.

Dubb just seems almost TOO obvious to me. Basically we as a village have stunk this game, at least the vanilla villagers have. To hit again just seems so darn unlikely.

[PurdueBrad]

I guess what surprises me most for us is the inability to win camps recently. I really thought that we would likely win the game by winning the camps as opposed to smoking out wolves, but we're getting drilled left and right on camps and, with no nightkills, I wonder if people are being bought off slowly or the wolves just can't do two actions.

[PurdueBrad]

I'm out to teach for a while but should be back after school at some point.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I guess what surprises me most for us is the inability to win camps recently. I really thought that we would likely win the game by winning the camps as opposed to smoking out wolves, but we're getting drilled left and right on camps and, with no nightkills, I wonder if people are being bought off slowly or the wolves just can't do two actions.

That's my primary concern.

[Abe Sargent]

The mines tried to fight with propaganda. They release statements in papers with claims of severe laziness by miners, and that they had been provided:

”[P]rovided for his men a swimming pool, a library, a reading room, a bowling alley and even a miniature theatre.”

No coal camp in WV meets this description, and it was used about a coal town in Cabin Creek.

[EagleFan]

CoT:
Poli
Barkeep
TheNorm
EagleFan

Outer Ring (a possible cunning is all the keeps him from a lock at the moment):
Lathum
Chief Rum

Good feel about:
Glengoyne/Schmidty
Danny
RendeR

Sympathiser
???

4. dubb - a lot of suspicion around him at the moment
5. claphamsa - no good read at the moment
6. ntndeacon - is he playing?
7. USFLTecmo - wolf plan to arrest their own?
12. DaddyTorgo - seems to be doing a lot of following, have seen that as a wolf
14. PurdueBrad - still suspicious of the switch from the mission day 2, especially now with TheNorm being good and Jackal being bad (didn't Jackal go on the mission that day? It would make sense that they did not want multiple wolves on the mission when they decided to arrest me)
20. jeheinz - I always think he is a wolf, need to look at a little more as I have no read at the moment.



An update from an earlier list.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

didn't Jackal go on the mission that day? It would make sense that they did not want multiple wolves on the mission when they decided to arrest me

EF, can you do me a favor and clarify a point here. Why wouldn't they want multiple wolves there if they were going to arrest you and make the camp fail anyway? Wouldn't they want to plead ignorance and say, "it looked like you had it covered" and then the arrest would look like a surprise to them as well. Or am I missing something?

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

DT has been unusally quiet this game. Though given how DT typically plays, I'm not sure that's an indictment

I mentioned on Monday morning that I'd be quiet this game. Busy busy week at work meant I couldn't check the thread a ton, and I've tried to keep up while at home, but haven't had much in the way of thrilling insight. Was also just pretty tired.

Spent Saturday helping with some yardwork (repotting a TREE), and then yesterday I walked 20 miles and got home and collapsed.

Games like this with so many moving parts it's always harder for me to get a read on things too.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

EF, can you do me a favor and clarify a point here. Why wouldn't they want multiple wolves there if they were going to arrest you and make the camp fail anyway? Wouldn't they want to plead ignorance and say, "it looked like you had it covered" and then the arrest would look like a surprise to them as well. Or am I missing something?

They would assume that we are going to go after the people that went on the mission. There would be 4 people on the mission if you had gone and 2 would be wolves (assuming you are a wolf in this scenario). That gives us a great chance of finding a wolf with a lynch or with a scan. The seer already said he began scanning those who went on the mission just because of that which is what netted us Jackal. It would not be a wise move to leave multiple wolves exposed.

[EagleFan]

Anyone else find it odd that now after Jackal is gone PB's posts have increased dramatically?

[Poli]

Ironicaly, I had the same thought about DT this morning.

[Poli]

Vote PurdueBrad

I became a little worried of his 'sympathetic' ear while Pass was badgering me. I wouldn't put it past the two of them to play good cop/bad cop on me.

No offense, PB. You're still my boy and my tag team partner in the next dungeon.

[Poli]

Poli's list, blantantly stolen from Eaglefan.

CoT:
Poli
Barkeep
TheNorm
EagleFan

Outer Ring (a possible cunning is all the keeps him from a lock at the moment):
Lathum
Chief Rum

Good feel about:

RendeR
Ntndeacon
usfltecmo

Sympathiser
???
PurdueBrad
dubb
claphamsa
DaddyTorgo
jeheinz
danny

If I had to put the ones listed in black in an order of most concerned to least, I'd say it's in this order.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

I mentioned on Monday morning that I'd be quiet this game. Busy busy week at work meant I couldn't check the thread a ton, and I've tried to keep up while at home, but haven't had much in the way of thrilling insight. Was also just pretty tired.

Spent Saturday helping with some yardwork (repotting a TREE), and then yesterday I walked 20 miles and got home and collapsed.

Games like this with so many moving parts it's always harder for me to get a read on things too.

what in the world would posses you to walk 20 miles?

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Poli

Poli's list, blantantly stolen from Eaglefan.

CoT:
Poli
Barkeep
TheNorm
EagleFan

Outer Ring (a possible cunning is all the keeps him from a lock at the moment):
Lathum
Chief Rum

Good feel about:

RendeR
Ntndeacon
usfltecmo

Sympathiser
???
PurdueBrad
dubb
claphamsa
DaddyTorgo
jeheinz
danny

If I had to put the ones listed in black in an order of most concerned to least, I'd say it's in this order.

why do you not trsut me?

[Poli]

Why should I trust you?

[Lathum]

work on food distribution

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Poli

Why should I trust you?

just asking

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Anyone else find it odd that now after Jackal is gone PB's posts have increased dramatically?

Are you serious? Do you look back before you say something or do you just post based on your perception? I've posted six times after Jackal's death (two were to put in vote or work orders, one was a correction and three were theories).

THEN every other post I put up is in regards to your vote for me, your suspicion of what you call my "flop" or to put forth why I made the choices I made. Come on. I've posted over 100 times, didn't post much on Friday-Sunday because, frankly, I thought taking my kid to the zoo was worth doing, same with trying to spend time outside with my family on the weekend. But fine, if you think I've posted more because I tried to answer concerns and questions, fine. Jesus. We're in day 5 or 6 and 18% of my posts came after Jackal's death, what does that tell you about the other 82%?

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Are you serious? Do you look back before you say something or do you just post based on your perception? I've posted six times after Jackal's death (two were to put in vote or work orders, one was a correction and three were theories).

THEN every other post I put up is in regards to your vote for me, your suspicion of what you call my "flop" or to put forth why I made the choices I made. Come on. I've posted over 100 times, didn't post much on Friday-Sunday because, frankly, I thought taking my kid to the zoo was worth doing, same with trying to spend time outside with my family on the weekend. But fine, if you think I've posted more because I tried to answer concerns and questions, fine. Jesus. We're in day 5 or 6 and 18% of my posts came after Jackal's death, what does that tell you about the other 82%?

that you actually counted your posts :P

[Poli]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

just asking

As am I. Why shoud I trust you?

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Poli

As am I. Why shoud I trust you?

cuz ive been so busy last week, that i have no idea what is going on

if I was a wolf, someone would have explained it to me

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

that you actually counted your posts :P

Yeah, didn't take too long actually. But I love that I do stay around, answer questions, and put forth ideas, and people drop off the face of the earth and get nothing. I should look back to see what day I posted the most, maybe it was 9/12 and I am the missing hijacker.

Tantrum over.


...no, wait now tantrum over.

[jeheinz72]

ROFL

[jeheinz72]

I see USFL and Glengoyne in the thread, would love to get their read on our current situation.

[jeheinz72]

And Lathum too

[Lathum]

Pass-1- Clap (1116)
Render-4- Lathum (1134), Autumn (1190), Pass (1331),The Jackal (1377)
Jackal-6-Danny (1166), Poli (1202), Heinze (1216), BK (1312), PB (1334), Render (1354)
Autumn-1- CR (1255)
Schmidty-2-USFL (1358), Dubb (1361),
No Lynch-1-TheNorm (1370)
PB- 1- Ef (1373)

So looking back through this we see that PB cast a pretty late vote on Jackal, that opens up 2 possibilites.

1. PB is a villager and was casting a late vote on a suspected wolf.

2. PB is a wolf and they had given up on Jackal. I can actually see this as a possibility. Pass and Jackal had already voted on Render, for a 3rd wolf to vote Render would be pretty ballsy, especially once it came out Jackal was a wolf it would look like PB was trying to save him.

I also don't like Clap's vote on Pass, looks like a possible wolf voting for another wolf so later in the game he can try and use that as a defense.

[Poli]

Yeah, think I'll switch my vote over at this point.

UNVOTE PB

VOTE CLAP

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Lathum

So looking back through this we see that PB cast a pretty late vote on Jackal, that opens up 2 possibilites.

1. PB is a villager and was casting a late vote on a suspected wolf.

2. PB is a wolf and they had given up on Jackal. I can actually see this as a possibility. Pass and Jackal had already voted on Render, for a 3rd wolf to vote Render would be pretty ballsy, especially once it came out Jackal was a wolf it would look like PB was trying to save him.

I also don't like Clap's vote on Pass, looks like a possible wolf voting for another wolf so later in the game he can try and use that as a defense.

Haha, clap planning ahead. That's a good one Lathum. You're a hoot.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Yeah, didn't take too long actually. But I love that I do stay around, answer questions, and put forth ideas, and people drop off the face of the earth and get nothing. I should look back to see what day I posted the most, maybe it was 9/12 and I am the missing hijacker.

Tantrum over.


...no, wait now tantrum over.

At least we found the missing hijacker...

You seem WAY too defensive at this point. You were defending yourself against one vote. That same vote was on you earlier in the game and got no major response. The only difference between now and then is that Pass and Jackal are gone.

Just sayin'.....

[jeheinz72]

In PB's defense, I've been kickin' the tires.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

At least we found the missing hijacker...

You seem WAY too defensive at this point. You were defending yourself against one vote. That same vote was on you earlier in the game and got no major response. The only difference between now and then is that Pass and Jackal are gone.

Just sayin'.....

You're way more accusatory now, only difference is that Pass, the Jackal, and the Flyers are gone.

Just saying.

[PurdueBrad]

I thought about arguing for the benefit of a scan but there are only one of two possible outcomes. First, Norm gets nightkilled which them makes me look guilty as hell. Or, and this is my favorite, I come back good/clean at which point you'll revert to calling me the cunning. So it really feels no win at this point.

[USFLTecmo]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

I see USFL and Glengoyne in the thread, would love to get their read on our current situation.

I'm just glad that Norm nailed us a sympathizer. I have no idea where to go with the vote, and it doesn't seem like there's any real trend here either. I'm a little shocked the wolves picked me rather than CR to be jailed the other day, because we're both x3 patrol, and I don't hold a candle to CR yet in terms of analysis and overall helpfulness. Maybe a ploy to frame CR? I'm glad Norm scanned him too, because CR was my initial suspicion when I was jailed.

My best interpretation is that this is the last stage of the conflict, the endgame. I wish there was confirmation on that, but I don't see any at first glance.

[Poli]

I see no situation whatsoever in which Norm gets nightkilled this evening.

Thus sayeth the bodyguard.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Lathum

So looking back through this we see that PB cast a pretty late vote on Jackal, that opens up 2 possibilites.

1. PB is a villager and was casting a late vote on a suspected wolf.

2. PB is a wolf and they had given up on Jackal. I can actually see this as a possibility. Pass and Jackal had already voted on Render, for a 3rd wolf to vote Render would be pretty ballsy, especially once it came out Jackal was a wolf it would look like PB was trying to save him.

I also don't like Clap's vote on Pass, looks like a possible wolf voting for another wolf so later in the game he can try and use that as a defense.

was random, never said otherwise

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Poli

Yeah, think I'll switch my vote over at this point.

UNVOTE PB

VOTE CLAP

even with no reason?

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Haha, clap planning ahead. That's a good one Lathum. You're a hoot.

jerk

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

was random, never said otherwise

how does that do anything to make it less suspicous?

[Poli]

I've asked you to give me a reason to trust you and all I get are smiley faces. I'm just repaying the favor.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Lathum

how does that do anything to make it less suspicous?

why would it be suspicious at all? I could see your argument if i was trumpeting that I had voted for pass, but I haven't mentioned it (other than in an offhanded manner once) so....

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Poli

I've asked you to give me a reason to trust you and all I get are smiley faces. I'm just repaying the favor.

fair enouhg :P

Im no loss for the village, stupid flu has taken too much of my time, and im clueless at this point

[claphamsa]

I have over 100 fewer posts, than 2 dead guys

[claphamsa]

ok, gym then home, another shitty day, at least I can leave ontime