Console Discussion/E3/Tokyo Game Show Thread

[Julio Riddols]

That Zelda game looks amazing.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Totally agree with this article. Rental pricing without a subscription model is a really poor decision if true.

PlayStation Now: A Good Idea With A Bad Plan - Forbes

Sad to see this. Ryse was one of the fun release titles on X1.

Sources: Crytek Not Paying Staff On Time, Ryse Sequel Dropped

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

LOVE to see this announcement. I'm suddenly a controller snob after using the PS4 controller. I can't stand the PS3 controller any more. Now I can go back to play all the new free games I've been avoiding on the PS3 due to controller annoyance.

PS4's DualShock 4 now works wirelessly with PS3 | Joystiq

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Rumor of upcoming restructuring in Microsoft......

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...this-week.html

Possibly 10% of work force according to this article.....

Microsoft prepares for biggest ever job cuts | The Verge

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Pretty surprised that MS even released this announcement. Given that the PS4 outsold the X1 in May by 2-1, this isn't good news at all. This would appear to be stating at best that the boost in sales allowed the X1 to break even against the PS4 for June. We'll have to see if that trend continues.

http://news.xbox.com/2014/07/xbox-on...double-in-june

[CraigSca]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Pretty surprised that MS even released this announcement. Given that the PS4 outsold the X1 in May by 2-1, this isn't good news at all. This would appear to be stating at best that the boost in sales allowed the X1 to break even against the PS4 for June. We'll have to see if that trend continues.

http://news.xbox.com/2014/07/xbox-on...double-in-june

Assuming, of course, that PS4 sales remained the same, when Microsoft's doubled. Not sure you can easily say that.

Really, not sure why you'd be surprised a company would be pleased to announce a doubling of sales.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by CraigSca

Assuming, of course, that PS4 sales remained the same, when Microsoft's doubled. Not sure you can easily say that.

Really, not sure why you'd be surprised a company would be pleased to announce a doubling of sales.

It's somewhat like the Nintendo announcement a couple of months ago. They announced a doubling of sales over the previous month and everyone's response was 'yeah, but the previous month was awful'. MS was only around 77K last year, well behind the PS4 (somewhere around 155-160K). Assuming that the PS4 sales remained the same is all but a foregone conclusion at this point. They've shown no signs of weakening at all.

Most believe that the announcement yesterday from MS was yet another preemptive release to try to head off the fact that Sony won the month again despite the big changes MS made. I'm not sure how many more 'here it comes......it didn't help?' moments MS can have this generation before it begins to take its toll.

[cartman]

Sony market cap: $17.5 billion
Microsoft market cap: $369.6 billion

[Kodos]

Who thinks MBBF was secretly pleased about the Microsoft layoffs?

[gstelmack]

I'm just annoyed you guys broke the streak - it had been like 3 weeks of MBBF posting and no one responding, then it all got wrecked today.

[CraigSca]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

I'm just annoyed you guys broke the streak - it had been like 3 weeks of MBBF posting and no one responding, then it all got wrecked today.

Crap, my bad. I take full responsibility.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

I'm just annoyed you guys broke the streak - it had been like 3 weeks of MBBF posting and no one responding, then it all got wrecked today.

I avoided posting in this thread for just that reason.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

I'm just annoyed you guys broke the streak - it had been like 3 weeks of MBBF posting and no one responding, then it all got wrecked today.

It's NPD time of the month, so it shouldn't be a surprise. I think I've been relatively restrained, but if you'd like me to post more, I certainly can.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Interesting that this was not part of MS's announcement of cuts. They are closing Xbox Entertainment Studios, which was to be the group that created exclusive media-focused content for the Xbox platform. Sounds like they'll continue to develop the Halo content in a different section of the company, but will not be doing anything else going forward.

Microsoft to Shutter Xbox Entertainment Studios (Updated) | Re/code

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by CraigSca

Crap, my bad. I take full responsibility.

Damn you!

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

It's somewhat like the Nintendo announcement a couple of months ago. They announced a doubling of sales over the previous month and everyone's response was 'yeah, but the previous month was awful'. MS was only around 77K last year, well behind the PS4 (somewhere around 155-160K). Assuming that the PS4 sales remained the same is all but a foregone conclusion at this point. They've shown no signs of weakening at all.

I'm not saying you're full of shit, but since neither the PS4 nor the Xbox One were on the market last year, you're full of shit.

Or you're so eager to establish your narrative that you're not paying attention to what you're saying.

Either/or.

[CU Tiger]

Wait so first it was,
"breaking the Kinnect out and lowering the price point will not help at all. Sales will not increase."

Now its

"Ok sales doubled but they were low to start with so a double doesnt mean much"


I've played this game before when my kids (13 and 10) were much younger.

I think the winner is always Godzilla.

SO

Godzilla could eat your PS4, poopie head!

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Interesting that this was not part of MS's announcement of cuts. They are closing Xbox Entertainment Studios, which was to be the group that created exclusive media-focused content for the Xbox platform. Sounds like they'll continue to develop the Halo content in a different section of the company, but will not be doing anything else going forward.

Microsoft to Shutter Xbox Entertainment Studios (Updated) | Re/code

fwiw, I saw that covered in a media buyers trade site/publication last night & was surprised to have not heard it mentioned previously.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

I'm not saying you're full of shit, but since neither the PS4 nor the Xbox One were on the market last year, you're full of shit.

Or you're so eager to establish your narrative that you're not paying attention to what you're saying.

Either/or.

Was last month, not last year. Honest typo mistake.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Official numbers have been revealed for June. It appears CraigSca was correct. PS4 didn't stay the same, they increased by quite a bit. Actually, PS4 and Wii U both with surprising sales surges despite the fact that MS believed this was to be their month. X1 definitely performed better than most expected, but still a distant 2nd.

PS4 - 269K
X1 - 197K
Wii U - 140K

[jeff061]

I'm glad they are a distant 2nd, because that reality improves my quality of life.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by jeff061

I'm glad they are a distant 2nd, because that reality improves my quality of life.

Massachusetts is a strange, strange land.

[Kodos]

Where's my price drop, PS4? Football season looms, and I may get an itch...

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Official numbers have been revealed for June. It appears CraigSca was correct. PS4 didn't stay the same, they increased by quite a bit. Actually, PS4 and Wii U both with surprising sales surges despite the fact that MS believed this was to be their month. X1 definitely performed better than most expected, but still a distant 2nd.

PS4 - 269K
X1 - 197K
Wii U - 140K

By these numbers
PS4 has a 44% market share compared to X1 32.5% market share.

Sorry I havent even bothered to look at sales number before this and I will just concede that this is the closest the numbers have ever been based on your post above...but this is the spread that all the debate has been about?

I just assumed we were looking at a 65%+ market share to PS4 based on the posts in this thread alone.

Wow.

[For the record this post is not a troll attempt. I have stated before I really dont follow the sales data as it does not interest me at all. I still check this thread because occasionally info like a price point shift, or a new product release will interest me. I genuinely had never looked at the numbers before and this is legitimately shocking to me. Heck even in the highly competitive world of soft drinks I think Coke has a 46% market share, and that's with a seemingly "equal" global competitor...shrug I guess this really is PS4 is coke and X1 is pepsi. Carry on.]

[vex]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Where's my price drop, PS4? Football season looms, and I may get an itch...

I couldn't wait any longer and pulled the trigger. Stupid RROD. It's not completely dead(yet), but yeah.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

By these numbers
PS4 has a 44% market share compared to X1 32.5% market share.

Sorry I havent even bothered to look at sales number before this and I will just concede that this is the closest the numbers have ever been based on your post above...but this is the spread that all the debate has been about?

I just assumed we were looking at a 65%+ market share to PS4 based on the posts in this thread alone.

Wow.

[For the record this post is not a troll attempt. I have stated before I really dont follow the sales data as it does not interest me at all. I still check this thread because occasionally info like a price point shift, or a new product release will interest me. I genuinely had never looked at the numbers before and this is legitimately shocking to me. Heck even in the highly competitive world of soft drinks I think Coke has a 46% market share, and that's with a seemingly "equal" global competitor...shrug I guess this really is PS4 is coke and X1 is pepsi. Carry on.]

Only in the last couple of months has the Wii U put up numbers worthy of being mentioned. Before E3, they were floundering badly. It's great for the market that they're actually performing at any level now IMO.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Only in the last couple of months has the Wii U put up numbers worthy of being mentioned. Before E3, they were floundering badly. It's great for the market that they're actually performing at any level now IMO.

I'm confused.

So PS4 has a weaker market share than I anticipated and that is because WiiU only started selling more units in the last few months?


I think the goalposts just moved.

[jeff061]

I think you are missing that those sales numbers are only for 1 month, not overall.

[NobodyHere]

Even if you look at total number of current generation consoles sold the PS4 is still sitting at 42% (Wii U with the head start is 33% and XBone is 24%).

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by vex

I couldn't wait any longer and pulled the trigger. Stupid RROD. It's not completely dead(yet), but yeah.

Insert Princess Bride reference.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Looks like some of the MS cuts will involve Xbox Europe. 10% of workforce there cut. In addition, all contractors at Xbox Europe have been fired.

Deep cuts at Xbox Europe as Nadella swings axe | Games industry news | MCV

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Even if you look at total number of current generation consoles sold the PS4 is still sitting at 42% (Wii U with the head start is 33% and XBone is 24%).

Which is why it's somewhat silly to look at it in that context. With current trends which are likely to continue, the PS4 is going to be a clear #1, X1 is going to be a clear 2nd and Wii U will be a clear third. There's not going to be much hair splitting this generation IMO.

[jeff061]

Pretty big if around trends continuing. And probably 1-2 years out.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Which is why it's somewhat silly to look at it in that context. With current trends which are likely to continue, the PS4 is going to be a clear #1, X1 is going to be a clear 2nd and Wii U will be a clear third. There's not going to be much hair splitting this generation IMO.

Just like trends were likely to continue seven years ago right?

"everything which is the case eight months after launch is going to continue forever unless it's a narrative i don't like in which case the opposite is inevitable"

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

Just like trends were likely to continue seven years ago right?

"everything which is the case eight months after launch is going to continue forever unless it's a narrative i don't like in which case the opposite is inevitable"

So you disagree and believe that one of the other two will overtake the PS4? Interesting. What do you see happening that will reverse the current trend? I think the result of the last generation would be one that MS would take with open arms at this point. They'd relish breaking even with Sony this generation, much like the PS3 comeback last generation.

[SackAttack]

No, I believe you're being willfully dissonant, cognitively, because the current situation matches the narrative in your head and the one seven years ago didn't.

The generation is 8 months old. There is an eternity ahead of it, relatively speaking. When Xbox 360 launched, nobody had any idea that Nintendo was going to blow the doors off on hardware sales a year later. Nobody had any idea that Microsoft was going to have serious quality control issues that, miraculously, didn't kill the brand deader than a doornail.

The PS4 is likely to do quite well, but 8 months in is way too fucking soon to declare that the PS4 is "a clear #1" unless:

1) you're being deliberately disingenuous by asserting a diametrically opposed narrative and putting words in people's mouths ("So you disagree and believe...")

2) you're just full of shit and trolling

3) you have a seriously unhealthy obsession with the performance of Sony, to the point your mental health relies on waving away inconvenient narratives and leg-humping the ones you really, really want to be true

or 4) you're clairvoyant.

I think the last generation proved that #4 isn't the case.

It's one thing to assess the situation on the ground. Making bombastic forward-looking statements like

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

With current trends which are likely to continue, the PS4 is going to be a clear #1, X1 is going to be a clear 2nd and Wii U will be a clear third.

based on nothing more than the fact that you really really want it to end up that way is wishcasting. It can't even be taken seriously enough to serve as a basis for discussion, which is what you claim to want from this thread.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

No, I believe you're being willfully dissonant, cognitively, because the current situation matches the narrative in your head and the one seven years ago didn't.

The generation is 8 months old. There is an eternity ahead of it, relatively speaking. When Xbox 360 launched, nobody had any idea that Nintendo was going to blow the doors off on hardware sales a year later. Nobody had any idea that Microsoft was going to have serious quality control issues that, miraculously, didn't kill the brand deader than a doornail.

The PS4 is likely to do quite well, but 8 months in is way too fucking soon to declare that the PS4 is "a clear #1" unless:

1) you're being deliberately disingenuous by asserting a diametrically opposed narrative and putting words in people's mouths ("So you disagree and believe...")

2) you're just full of shit and trolling

3) you have a seriously unhealthy obsession with the performance of Sony, to the point your mental health relies on waving away inconvenient narratives and leg-humping the ones you really, really want to be true

or 4) you're clairvoyant.

I think the last generation proved that #4 isn't the case.

It's one thing to assess the situation on the ground. Making bombastic forward-looking statements like based on nothing more than the fact that you really really want it to end up that way is wishcasting. It can't even be taken seriously enough to serve as a basis for discussion, which is what you claim to want from this thread.

Certainly your right to disagree. The fact that you didn't choose to create any scenario where Nintendo or MS could salvage a #1 at this point speaks volumes. Outside of a RROD scenario on the PS4, much like you, I can't find one.

[DaddyTorgo]

I think it's #3!!!

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Certainly your right to disagree. The fact that you didn't choose to create any scenario where Nintendo or MS could salvage a #1 at this point speaks volumes. Outside of a RROD scenario on the PS4, much like you, I can't find one.

Here is what you are missing, dude.

Yes PS4 is outselling X1..

However the difference isnt significant enough to make it a major issue.

I'm sorry 44% market share isnt moving any needles. When I was selling Sony TVs they were ECSTATIC over a 16% market share year. 44% is HUGE but its not driving a single competitor out of business.

We aren't debating if X1 can become #1..you are debating if they can remain viable.

Totally different argument. I doubt X1 ever outsells P4 just like P3 will never outsell X360...it doesnt mean either was a failed piece of hardware.

Why can you not grasp that.

[Mota]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Which is why it's somewhat silly to look at it in that context. With current trends which are likely to continue, the PS4 is going to be a clear #1, X1 is going to be a clear 2nd and Wii U will be a clear third. There's not going to be much hair splitting this generation IMO.

Because last gen's sales were a straight line across for all consoles, right?

There was a huge difference in sales month to month and year to year.

This is just the beginning of the life cycle. All it would take is a great exclusive game for any platform, a price drop, or just a great marketing campaign and we could be talking completely different market shares in 2 months.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Which is why it's somewhat silly to look at it in that context. With current trends which are likely to continue, the PS4 is going to be a clear #1, X1 is going to be a clear 2nd and Wii U will be a clear third. There's not going to be much hair splitting this generation IMO.

I'm not even sure X1 is going to be a clear 2nd. The Wii U has sold more worldwide and last week's hardware sales had the Wii U and X1 neck and neck.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

We aren't debating if X1 can become #1..you are debating if they can remain viable.

I'm not saying they won't be viable at all. Not sure where you saw that.

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Totally different argument. I doubt X1 ever outsells P4 just like P3 will never outsell X360...it doesnt mean either was a failed piece of hardware.

As of last week, the PS3 had outsold the X360. However, the PS4's success appears to be allowing the X360 to have a chance at getting back just above the PS3 as Xbox fans appear to be sticking with the old console and buying new 360's when their old ones die. I don't think Sony minds if that happens given how well they're doing on the PS4.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Harsh words for both leading consoles from @thuway. First, on the dismal shipping numbers released by Microsoft.

Awful news from Microsoft. 1.1 million X1/360s combined were SHIPPED this quarter. NO X1 SOLD NUMBERS GIVEN. This is a disaster.

To give perspective, these are the type of numbers to discontinue a platform. European presence of X1 is dead. :/

Oh and one more thing 1.1 million shipped X1 AND 360 consoles WORLDWIDE. TRULY AWFUL. Officially on life support.

X1 is dying. Microsoft has two choices: A) Either cut price dramatically and incur a loss per unit sold or B) Be outsold at a 2.5-3:1 margin

Satya Nadella will make the final call, but this new leadership at Microsoft will not respond favorably to razor blade economics.

Investor culture at Microsoft is aggressive about profit and excising bloat. Sony weathered a $3 billion loss with PS3. Will MS do the same?

IMO, we will NEVER see a high profile third party title like TitanFall go 100% exclusive to X1 in the future. Unit sales aren't there.

In any case, to all the good people at Xbox, I hope you pull through and make a come back. Master Chief and Marcus Fenix are awesome.

And more critical comments for Sony regarding the PS4 sales in Japan.

Sony needs to insure PS4 sales/lineup are strong, stable, and forthcoming. It literally is the center piece of the corporation.

The PS4, week after week, is floundering into irrelevance in the Japanese market. I understand Japan IS portable, but Sony needs to try.

If I were Sony, I would: 1. Mandate all high profile future PS3 releases MUST have PS4 ports. Persona 5, Tales of Zesteria, etc.

2. Produce work that resonates with the Japanese market. If a title is being made on Vita (Freedom Wars) - it needs to find itself on PS4.

Honestly, I don't know what else there is to do, but when PS3 and Wii U are outselling the PS4, there is room for concern.

One thing is for sure, Japan is a place where Vita actually means life. Good sales this week and last. Now about that Monster Hunter...

[jeff061]

What is a thuway and why does it matter.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by jeff061

What is a thuway and why does it matter.

because, HARSH WORDS........................

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by jeff061

What is a thuway and why does it matter.

Usually a very good source for information and how the companies are feeling about their current position. Knows a lot of people in the industry, especially in MS and Sony.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by jeff061

What is a thuway and why does it matter.

^

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by jeff061

What is a thuway and why does it matter.

From MBBF's post it's someone who doesn't know the difference between insure and ensure but Google tells me he's someone who posts made up stories on Twitter during E3.

[Mota]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Harsh words for both leading consoles from @thuway. First, on the dismal shipping numbers released by Microsoft.



And more critical comments for Sony regarding the PS4 sales in Japan.

I have all consoles except for Wii U in my house.

To be honest I'm not all that impressed with PS4 or XBone. They look slightly better than 360 and PS3. If I was a casual gamer I would not feel the need to spend $500 to start all over again on a new console with "slightly" better games, and where none of my current games will work anymore.

I don't think any console is on life support right now. The first set of games developed specifically for these consoles hasn't even really released yet. First wave games are always shallow due to having little development time.

[chinaski]

Been thinking about getting a Xbox One, but after looking over the games available, I cant find more than a couple that makes getting the xbone worth it. My question.. where are all the games for this system? I dont recall a next gen system having so few to choose from, especially this far out from launch.