2024 NFL Season Thread

[sovereignstar v2]

4th in ypa
8th in cmp%
7th(t) in int%
5th qb rating

2nd rushing yrds
1st rushing td

[Lathum]

I think the argument would be he has 2 all pro caliber WR and a HOF running back, this year anyway.

If you put him on say, the Falcons, is he as productive? I suspect not.

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

So uh, Nick Sirianni is going to be the head coach of a Super Bowl team for the second time in the last three years. Jalen Hurts will be the starting QB for a Super Bowl team for the second time in three years.

Are either considered in the top half at the respective roles/position?

On Hurts, can we name 15 QBs better?

(in no particular order):

Definitely
1. L. Jackson
2. J. Allen
3. J. Burrow
4. P. Mahomes

Probably
5. J. Herbert
6. M. Stafford
7. J. Daniels

Maybe
8. B. Nix
9. C. Stroud
10. T. Tagovailoa
11. A. Rodgers
12. K. Murray
13. D. Prescott
14. J. Goff
15. J. Love
16. B. Mayfield

That's being incredibly generous with the maybes.

So yeah, Hurts is probably top half.

[flere-imsaho]

It's easy to forget that you get about 16 QBs in and you've flipped from "is a net positive to your ability to win games" to "is a net negative to your ability to win games", generally. And even in the top half there are plenty of QBs that require a lot of other things to go right to "be good".

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

It's easy to forget that you get about 16 QBs in and you've flipped from "is a net positive to your ability to win games" to "is a net negative to your ability to win games", generally. And even in the top half there are plenty of QBs that require a lot of other things to go right to "be good".

I'd argue that Hurts was a net negative in 2023. Barkley and the defense stepping up really helped his play this year but he still can't the ball to his play makers at WR and it makes me wonder if he could be successful somewhere like Minnesota or TB where the defenses (would have to make more plays to win games), offensive lines, and running games aren't as good as he has in Philly even if they do have playmakers at wideout.

I still would list him somewhere between 10-15 on my list so definitely top half.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar v2

How could anyone make an argument that Hurts isn't a top half quarterback?

Easily. It would be one of emotion especially among those that "watch the game". I would say the argument is that fans of teams with bottom half QBs would rather have their QB than him. I don't think any of these fanbases would take Jalen Hurts over their current QB by the end of this season,

Goff
Mahomes
Allen
Jackson
Dainels
Herbert
Love
Mayfield
Stafford
Stroud
Nix

Before the last game of the season, no one would suggest giving up Sam Darnold for him either.

Among QBs from teams that did not make the playoffs, Burrow and Purdy are guarantees IMO. That is fourteen.

I think we can find at least two more among this group to drop him into the bottom half: Geno, Kyler, Dak, Trevor Lawrence, and Drake Maye.

I just don't think NFL fans consider him a top half QB.

[Danny]

I think it depends on if youre talking about taking him for the foreseeable future or this season. I think you take hurts easily over Stroud or Nix this season. And certainly take him over alll of Geno, Kyler, Dak, Trevor Lawrence, and Drake Maye.

[Glengoyne]

Watching the Bills play last night, they need to work something out with the OC. I agree that they should have got the spot on that fourth and one, though my immediate response was..."Yeah, they got robbed. But, they didn't earn a first down after running WR screen left, TE screen right on second and third down."

IF the OC can't scheme up something for Allen to get the ball down field against Spagnuolo or run the ball with Cook, then maybe they need to make a change. The Bill's play calling was awful, while the Chiefs' was spot on.

[Atocep]

Of the QBs mentioned, I'd take Hurts over Love, Nix, Purdy, Geno, Kyler, Dak, Lawrence, and Maye. Goff, Stroud and Baker would be tossups but I'd lean Hurts over all 3. I'd probably have him as a top 10 QB.

[Danny]

Brady's head coach chances dropped to zero

[dubb93]

If they really do have an elite QB, a hall of fame RB in his prime, arguably the best skill position players in the league, the best offensive line in the league and the best defense in the league then we have a dynasty on our hands.

[Solecismic]

If you compare Hurts to Allen and Jackson, who had incredible seasons, he's going to look mediocre this season, because he took a bit of a step back. But what he does is run a low-turnover offense extremely well. You can argue Barkley makes him better, but I don't think that's the case. Barkley and the OL make Philadelphia an elite offense. I expect Philadelphia to beat Kansas City.

We talk a lot about dual-threat quarterbacks, especially in college. It's not magic. Every designed rushing attempt from a quarterback means one less from a running back, so the runs have to serve a purpose. We saw yesterday that a good defense can even plan against it - Kansas City made it a mission to ensure Allen's runs were mostly harmless.

Hurts gets sacked too much. I see him in year five, playing in his second Super Bowl now, already on the long end of his career. So I'm not sure I'd choose to build a team around him.

I'd definitely say top half now, maybe fringe top ten, because he's one of the few who can legitimately do dual-threat at the NFL level. Most who try end up being Justin Fields-like and don't get as long a leash.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Yup. The team may still end up with a good coach--sometimes your third-choice guy ends up being the best of the bunch.

But there's no hiding that among the coaching community, the Saints are an undesirable destination. It is embarrassing. And I hope that it sends a message to the front office/ownership that this team is not close to competing, and they need to stop operating like it is.

You are right. You could end up with that guy everybody overlooked who might end up being a hidden gem. You might as well take a big risk if you can't get a traditional hire.

[Carman Bulldog]

Right now, Hurts is definitely top half, arguably top 10. He was 14th in pass EPA but 3rd in rush EPA. I don't think he's a great passer, and that's often what we look for when ranking quarterbacks. But his run value adds a ton. Given his style of play though, I would anticipate a career arc similar to Cam Newton. Because of that, he'd probably be borderline if we were to draft the top 16 quarterbacks going forward over the next 5+ years. I think you probably get about three more very good seasons from him before he starts to fall off.

[Danny]

Watched the Raiders introductory press conference for Spytek and Carroll. Its obvious we do not get either of these guys without Tom Brady.

Also, Pete may be 73 but hes way more on it and sharp than our last two coaches from day 1 despite his age.

Still has his infectious energy, I was ready to go play for coach Pete

[Ksyrup]

No affect on the SB, of course, but wonder if this will linger into 2025?

Ravens' Justin Tucker accused of inappropriate behavior during massages - The Baltimore Banner

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

No affect on the SB, of course, but wonder if this will linger into 2025?

Ravens' Justin Tucker accused of inappropriate behavior during massages - The Baltimore Banner

Do the Browns have an opening for a kicker?

[albionmoonlight]

Damn. I like Tucker. Sure hope he isn't a creeper (yeah, I know, he's probably a creeper)

[Kodos]

I think we have ample evidence that anyone named Tucker ain't right in the head.

[albionmoonlight]

This is moving from embarrassing to a disaster for the Saints.

Is a team allowed to not have a head coach?

[Solecismic]

I don't really want to know what massage therapists have to deal with on a daily basis, but this Tucker story, coming a couple of years after the Watson story... it paints a difficult picture.

I doubt we see Tucker in the league again.

It's a shame that these stories take so long to emerge and it has to come from lawsuits. Makes you wonder how widespread this kind of thing is.

[albionmoonlight]

Breaking: Reigning NFL Defensive Player of the Year and #Browns star Myles Garrett has requested a trade.

Exclusive statement: pic.twitter.com/LgS5YCeCnP

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) February 3, 2025

[JPhillips]

Basically his whole contract is pro-rated option. If that hits Cleveland's cap, I don't see how they could afford the dead cap hit of trading him.

[albionmoonlight]

What about "We will trade you Watson's fully guaranteed contract and Myles Garrett for a 7th round pick." Does that math work ;-)?

[Thomkal]

Not really surprising given what Cleveland has been through since they went all in on Watson. So who gets him? As long as its not the Chiefs or have to play my Cards twice a year, don't really care-Buffalo maybe?

[albionmoonlight]

NFC would give him an easier path to the Super Bowl.

Packers, Lions, Eagles?

[Lathum]

Washington would be a nice fit. Up and coming team with a stud QB on a rookie deal.

[GrantDawg]

Washington is a good call.

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[albionmoonlight]

Oh yeah. Good one

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Basically his whole contract is pro-rated option. If that hits Cleveland's cap, I don't see how they could afford the dead cap hit of trading him.

So yes. 36 mil in dad space if traded before June 1. With Cooper and Sweat's dead space that would be more than 75 mil with another 70 in money for Watson. They are already projected to be about 35 million over keeping Garrett. They have structured contracts in a way that there's no big savings to be had with a cut.

They'll figure out something, NFL teams always do, but it wouldn't be easy to trade Garrett.

[NobodyHere]

Would love to see Myles Garrett and Aiden Hutchinson on the same line together.

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

36 mil in dad space

What's this in recliners?

[Ksyrup]

Looks like the Rams have informed Kupp he's being actively shopped. I think they tried to trade him before the in-season deadline. Makes sense. He's older, injury prone, and they have Puka-Kupp II.

[Atocep]

Sounds like Kellen Moore will likely be the Saints coach.

[GrantDawg]

And so NOW Cousins says he was hurt after the Saints game and didn't recover. Fuck his ever loving sanctimonious ass. I hope he never has another decent year, and goes from loser to loser the rest of his career.




(I don't really mean that, but I am high level PO right now)

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

On Hurts, can we name 15 QBs better?

(in no particular order):

Definitely
1. L. Jackson
2. J. Allen
3. J. Burrow
4. P. Mahomes

Probably
5. J. Herbert
6. M. Stafford
7. J. Daniels

Maybe
8. B. Nix
9. C. Stroud
10. T. Tagovailoa
11. A. Rodgers
12. K. Murray
13. D. Prescott
14. J. Goff
15. J. Love
16. B. Mayfield

That's being incredibly generous with the maybes.

So yeah, Hurts is probably top half.

Hurts so good

[Solecismic]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

And so NOW Cousins says he was hurt after the Saints game and didn't recover. Fuck his ever loving sanctimonious ass. I hope he never has another decent year, and goes from loser to loser the rest of his career.




(I don't really mean that, but I am high level PO right now)

It sounds a lot like Mayfield and his last year in Cleveland in terms of not wanting to admit it at the time, playoffs on the line.

The numbers (and I know, you don't like my approach of going to the numbers at every opportunity) support his narrative. Quarterbacks who can do the job do it until they can't. They don't decline slowly.

Cousins' performance fell off a cliff with that game. Atlanta was averaging nearly 25 points a game and were in playoff position, having beaten the Bucs twice, until the Saints game. This with a below-average defense.

This is not to say Cousins should be Atlanta's quarterback moving forward. It was not a good signing, given that they wanted to invest in a first-rounder who they need to get a long look at next season.

[Lathum]

Josh Allen wins mvp and gives a great speech. Really likable dude.

[miami_fan]

Shannon Sharpe delivering the news to his brother, Sterling, that he will be a part of the Pro Football Hall of Fame Class of 2025: pic.twitter.com/GyC37Jo9WG

— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) February 7, 2025

I don't care if this was organic or staged. This is a cool moment. Congrats to Sterling Sharpe, Eric Allen, Antonio Gates and Jared Allen.

That being said, this class feels like a pallet cleanser for the voters to me. With guys like Drew Brees, Larry Fitzgerald, and Phillip Rivers becoming eligible next year, it feel like they decided to vote guys in who, right or wrong, might be seen as being borderline candidates.

[Lathum]

Eli got fucked.

[cuervo72]

I still maintain that outside of two notable games, Eli was fairly pedestrian. Good enough to hold a job for a long time, but that's about it. .500 record, no MVP votes (? or at least doesn't show in the voting on his page).

Really, I'd level the same arguments against Stafford. I think they both get in, but, meh.

[Solecismic]

I was a little surprised, because Drew Brees is an automatic next year, Roethlisberger the following year and then Brady in '28.

And Philip Rivers is also up next year, who is the ultimate "win a lot of games and look good doing it, but no playoff success at all" candidate while Eli is "at least Brady didn't get nine rings" and not much else. The voters tend to prefer the latter.

I think Manning eventually gets in, but he may have to wait quite a while. Rivers... it's a toss-up, but I'll guess no on him.

[Danny]

Disagree on Stafford. Hes definitely a hall of famer. He was brought down by playing for such an awful franchise but his career numbers will be elite and hes won a SB

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

I still maintain that outside of two notable games, Eli was fairly pedestrian. Good enough to hold a job for a long time, but that's about it. .500 record, no MVP votes (? or at least doesn't show in the voting on his page).

Really, I'd level the same arguments against Stafford. I think they both get in, but, meh.

The best ability is availability...

[miami_fan]

I don't think there is even a discussion on whether he gets in or not. There should be but I don't think there will be. Eli is getting in probably next year with Brees, Fitzgerald, Gore or Rivers, Suggs, Kuechly and Reggie Wayne or Torry Holt in my a year early very limited researched guess.

[JPhillips]

Willie Anderson got screwed yet again.

There's such an obvious penalty for being a Bengal. Anderson, Hendrickson, Chase. Even leading the league in the headline stats isn't enough if you're a Bengal.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Danny

Disagree on Stafford. Hes definitely a hall of famer. He was brought down by playing for such an awful franchise but his career numbers will be elite and hes won a SB

Agree with you on Stafford. He's a guy you looked at and said "I wish we had him". Eli? More like "I wouldn't mind having him".

Joe Burrow may be on the "Stafford Path" if he never gets out of Cincinnati, or they never sell the team while he's there.

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

I was a little surprised, because Drew Brees is an automatic next year, Roethlisberger the following year and then Brady in '28.

And Philip Rivers is also up next year

Hold up, does this mean Brees and his replacement, Rivers, both retired in the same year? That's wild.

Originally Posted by Sweed

Agree with you on Stafford. He's a guy you looked at and said "I wish we had him". Eli? More like "I wouldn't mind having him".

As a Patriots fan, I can't have an unbiased opinion on Eli Manning, but if the hall of fame is really about fame then he needs to be in because every Patriots fan I know hates that motherfucker.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Sweed

Agree with you on Stafford. He's a guy you looked at and said "I wish we had him". Eli? More like "I wouldn't mind having him".

.

You wouldn't want a guy who at the time of retirement was top ten in almost every passing category, never missed a game, and was a 2X Superbowl winner and MVP.

Weird but ok.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Lathum

You wouldn't want a guy who at the time of retirement was top ten in almost every passing category, never missed a game, and was a 2X Superbowl winner and MVP.

Weird but ok.

I wouldn't mind having him.