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[ISiddiqui]

People act like GRRM is 80 years old.

He's 66. And rich. He'll be 67 when Book 6 is going to come out (from all observations, it looks like he'll will it to happen before Season 6... likely because he realizes the cash cow will lessen if the show finishes). Even if he spends 10 years doing Book 7, that'll make him 77.

It's more likely than not he'll be alive to finish it.

[chinaski]

I thought GRRM had very little to do with the writing for the show, if any at all? Isnt it all D.B. Weiss and David Benioff?

[Coffee Warlord]

He usually writes one episode a season. This I think is the first season he didn't.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

People act like GRRM is 80 years old.

He's 66. And rich. He'll be 67 when Book 6 is going to come out (from all observations, it looks like he'll will it to happen before Season 6... likely because he realizes the cash cow will lessen if the show finishes). Even if he spends 10 years doing Book 7, that'll make him 77.

It's more likely than not he'll be alive to finish it.

Well, in a vacuum, you are correct. But last I checked, GRRM doesn't appear to take tremendous care of himself. It's quite significantly possible that he won't make it to the end if he writes at the pace he does.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Edward64

There's a good chance the series won't be completed by GRRM.

Wouldn't say a good chance but sure, that could happen. If so I could go back and finish the series.

Originally Posted by Desnudo

I would watch the last episode to see if your interest isn't rekindled.

Maybe. But I know I've got two or three to get through before that and just *sigh*, y'know?

[SteveMax58]

Originally Posted by path12

Wouldn't say a good chance but sure, that could happen. If so I could go back and finish the series.



Maybe. But I know I've got two or three to get through before that and just *sigh*, y'know?

At least you dont have to suffer thru them with no hope as some of us watching weekly.

I agree with your disinterest in the first 4 episodes. But also agree that you might feel differently if you can make it thru the next 2 as the last episode (7th or 8th, I forget) is worthwhile to get to. I'm now hopeful about the last 2 now.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Last episode was 8. And it's well worth the slog through this season.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

People act like GRRM is 80 years old.

He's 66. And rich. He'll be 67 when Book 6 is going to come out (from all observations, it looks like he'll will it to happen before Season 6... likely because he realizes the cash cow will lessen if the show finishes). Even if he spends 10 years doing Book 7, that'll make him 77.

It's more likely than not he'll be alive to finish it.

67 in his physical condition isn't that young either.

And from everything I've read, there is a ton to wrap up and if it doesn't go to 8 books, book 7 will be massive. Seems like he still has a bunch left to do for Book 6 too.

Just doesn't seem like he's interested in writing and the odds of him living to see 80 are probably under 50%.

[stevew]

People fade fast, which not to get political but electing either Hilary or Sanders would be insane. Not from an ideological perspective, but from a dimentia right around the corner standpoint.

[whomario]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Just doesn't seem like he's interested in writing

Ive read variations of this recently and have to ask how people get to this ? Because he does not write only this series 24/7 ? From what i can tell the page count is considerable . Add the complexity and ambiguity and i could see a writer become batshit crazy if he did not follow other venues he is passionate about. (Or getting out of his house )

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by stevew

People fade fast, which not to get political but electing either Hilary or Sanders would be insane. Not from an ideological perspective, but from a dimentia right around the corner standpoint.

Reagan was no spring chicken.

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Reagan was no spring chicken.

And was likely senile in office!

I'm voting for Kodos

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by path12

Wouldn't say a good chance but sure, that could happen. If so I could go back and finish the series.



Maybe. But I know I've got two or three to get through before that and just *sigh*, y'know?

If you aren't into it I'd take a break. I watch it sporadically so don't really mind that the story line has been kind of tedious until recent episodes.

[Bonegavel]

One Word:

Robert Jordan.

Well, 2 words.

[Bonegavel]

Can the "dead army" dudes (and dudettes) walk in the water? The seemed to go up to the edge but not in. And I don't think I saw any of the dead that were in the water come out.

I say this because of the scene in Pirates of the Caribbean (which part I forget) where the dead walked on the bottom of the sea and I think some other zombie shows have had the dead walking under the water.

If they can, the wall is dumb and they just walk around it.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

People act like GRRM is 80 years old.

He's 66. And rich. He'll be 67 when Book 6 is going to come out (from all observations, it looks like he'll will it to happen before Season 6... likely because he realizes the cash cow will lessen if the show finishes). Even if he spends 10 years doing Book 7, that'll make him 77.

It's more likely than not he'll be alive to finish it.

I actually think this supports my argument there's a good chance it won't get done by him. How many authors between 67-77 that has completed complex novels and with all the distractions around him?

I think its safe to generalize that the brain starts to "go" as you get older.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by Bonegavel

One Word:

Robert Jordan.

Well, 2 words.

And the difference being Jordan knew he was dying, AND was amenable to having someone else finish his series.

Martin has been on the record saying he absolutely would never want someone else to finish his books.

[bronconick]

Good thing it's "being finished" by HBO, tbh.

[Coffee Warlord]

Holy fuck, did he REALLY do that?

And did they really stab him? Surprise.

[sabotai]

There goes Stannis' likeability.

[General Mike]

Originally Posted by sabotai

There goes Stannis' likeability.

That was rough. Shireen has had some great scenes this year between her stuff with Gilly, Davos and her father, and now she's gone.

[sabotai]

I wonder what Davos does when he finds out.

[stevew]

Love Shireen but hate the Boltons more.

[Grover]

Well, I guess Hizdahr isn't behind the Harpy attacks. The Shireen sacrifice was very difficult to watch

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Grover

Well, I guess Hizdahr isn't behind the Harpy attacks. The Shireen sacrifice was very difficult to watch

Well, not on the TV show at least.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by Grover

Well, I guess Hizdahr isn't behind the Harpy attacks. The Shireen sacrifice was very difficult to watch

So there's no way that Daario is responsible here, right?

[Grover]

Originally Posted by stevew

So there's no way that Daario is responsible here, right?

I highly doubt it as he's Braavosi. The politics of Mereen should be relatively meaningless to him

[Drake]

Am I just imaging it, or was that one of the worst GoT episodes ever? The writing was weak and flawed (srsly, the Harpies, who have meticulously hidden themselves out in the crowd, suddenly decide to mill around the half a dozen Unsullied defending Dany at the end? Like they're waiting for the dragon to show up?). The fight choreography in the arena was abysmal. Not quite water garden abysmal, but I didn't buy Jorah as a capable fighter at all (and what was up with the wobbly sword?)

Even two seasons ago, I'm pretty sure some dumbass kid following Meryn Trant around town plotting mischief would have been found flayed alive in a closet in some horrifying reveal with ten minutes left in the episode as an another-layer-of-betrayal trope.

And they just completely wasted a child murder. There was like zero emotional resonance with Shireen...and I'm not exactly sure why dumbass mom suddenly does the emotional 180 when the same woman burned most of her own fucking family alive just a couple of seasons ago and was okay with it.

I felt like I was watching the Syfy channel.

[ISiddiqui]

I'm really disappointed at what the show did with Stannis. Why tease us with rehabilitating his image, so it's more book like, only to make him a villain again?

Also, WTF with the decision... Stannis's line dies out with Shireen.

[Drake]

The good news is that they only gave us like 28 solid seconds of the Jon Snow angsty-lip-chewing face wondering if the gate was going to open before...you know, opening it, and that was that. I'm surprised he's still got a bottom lip after this season.

[bronconick]

George told them to burn her. *shrug*

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[Drake]

Ah, so maybe they did a shitty job of it to be passive-aggressive. That's cool, I guess.

[General Mike]

Originally Posted by Grover

Well, I guess Hizdahr isn't behind the Harpy attacks. The Shireen sacrifice was very difficult to watch

What? I thought it was made perfectly clear that he was behind the attacks. They foreshadowed it with his line about making sure everything was ready when he joined Dany and her crew in their viewing box.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by General Mike

What? I thought it was made perfectly clear that he was behind the attacks. They foreshadowed it with his line about making sure everything was ready when he joined Dany and her crew in their viewing box.

And then he got stabbed to death by the Harpys.

[sabotai]

I'd doubt that the average "foot soldier" Harpy has any idea who is bankrolling the operation. If they all knew, it'd be kinda hard to keep it a secret for long.

[Grover]

Originally Posted by General Mike

What? I thought it was made perfectly clear that he was behind the attacks. They foreshadowed it with his line about making sure everything was ready when he joined Dany and her crew in their viewing box.

I thought so too. Until they killed him.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by Drake

Even two seasons ago, I'm pretty sure some dumbass kid following Meryn Trant around town plotting mischief would have been found flayed alive in a closet in some horrifying reveal with ten minutes left in the episode as an another-layer-of-betrayal trope.

I thought the same. Arya did a pretty shitty job of being inconspicuous as she followed him.

[Drake]

Apparently pushing a cart full of oysters and cockels renders one invisible in Braavos. Maybe that was covered in her Water Dancer training.

[Drake]

I need to go to bed. Bad writing makes me irrationally angry.

[General Mike]

Originally Posted by Grover

I thought so too. Until they killed him.

Sometimes you gotta take one for the team.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by sabotai

I'd doubt that the average "foot soldier" Harpy has any idea who is bankrolling the operation. If they all knew, it'd be kinda hard to keep it a secret for long.

While I agree that is likely, I just can't buy that some kind of revolutionary mastermind would screw up and allow himself to get stabbed by his own fellow conspirators. It's the kind of thing which makes sense as a possibility in real life, but a story with a plot simply wouldn't be told that way.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by sabotai

I thought the same. Arya did a pretty shitty job of being inconspicuous as she followed him.

That's a camera thing IMO.

[Edward64]

"Your Grace"
"Shut your mouth"

Thought it was okay. I don't expect great fight quality and didn't think it was too bad. Sure, realistically there would have been more unsullied and someone would have noticed some of the harpy masks and weapons hidden by all them ... buy hey, we saw a dragon scene!

[bhlloy]

Doesn't Khaleesi now have stone person disease from Mormont taking her hand?

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by Edward64

"Your Grace"
"Shut your mouth"

Thought it was okay. I don't expect great fight quality and didn't think it was too bad. Sure, realistically there would have been more unsullied and someone would have noticed some of the harpy masks and weapons hidden by all them ... buy hey, we saw a dragon scene!

The unsullied sure have had a rapid fall from grace from undefeatable warrior army to fat harpy fodder in a season or so.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Doesn't Khaleesi now have stone person disease from Mormont taking her hand?

Doesn't there need to be infection to skin contact?

[bhlloy]

That would make more sense, yeah

[Neon_Chaos]

Drogon!

[Vince, Pt. II]

I'm with Drake, that episode was ass. The whole Arya-Meryn Trant thing was weird. And do they really need to beat us over the head with 'he's an asshole' anymore? We get it, he's a terrible person. Cool. But if Arya can be invisible while selling clams, does she really need a blatantly obvious in for tomorrow's underage fuckbuddy?

The Dorne stuff was the highlight for me, and even that was relatively weak. What the hell was the point of the scene between Jaime and Ellaria at the end? Knowing what I know from the books, I'm disappointed as hell in this whole interlude. They've taken some of my favorite secondary characters and made them much less interesting.

Also, hooray Dany for flying away on Drogon. We're supposed to believe now that despite the fact that the Sons of the Harpy were willing to fight back and throw spears at a fucking DRAGON, once they flew away they were perfectly willing to be put down by a midget, a seriously wounded fighter who looked like crap in the fighting pits, Daario and a handful of Unsullied? Who were all getting their asses kicked just two minutes ago? Blech.

[spleen1015]

Agree with the opinion that the episode was complete shit.

Anything not based on Martin's writing has been more a pile a shit than not.