LXXVIII: Politicus Lupus (GAME OVER!! SEE POST #2593 FOR RESULTS)

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by KWhit

I'd be interested to hear whatever Cubby and Mcc want to say in their defense.

Clearly I don't know what the hell is going on in this game. I KNOW i'm good, i'm pretty sure you are good by being bodyguarded. We are all pretty sure mccollins was a wolf like 3 days ago so I'm sure he's a wolf now.

There has to be a 3-1 or 2-1 split. It's the only explanation to me right now. As I just said to heinz. If you want to ignore my scan (then why scan me last night?) then look at my actions that made a difference. Yup, I fucked up my read yesterday but I did make the deciding vote on Mrs S (why do that if I was a wolf?) and vetoed the first BG bill which I still maintain as a wolf I wouldn't have done.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by mccollins

If you were going to vote for him anyway, then you wasted your scan, right?

I don't think we had a chance to scan Santa.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by mccollins

If you were going to vote for him anyway, then you wasted your scan, right?

I don't understand your post.

Are you DEFENDING Chubby now?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by mccollins

If you were going to vote for him anyway, then you wasted your scan, right?

But seriously, what did you mean by this?

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Ok Chubby, I'll ask one question. Your answer will determine my vote


Are you the Doctor?

almost missed this.

No, i have no role.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Just look at the record throughout the game. How likely do you think it really is that I'm a wolf?

Not very. Can you help convince me that you're not one?

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

But seriously, what did you mean by this?

Mccollins: Oh shit, I shouldn't have said that.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

But seriously, what did you mean by this?

What's the point of the scan if you're going to vote for Chubby no matter the outcome?

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by KWhit

I'd be interested to hear whatever Cubby and Mcc want to say in their defense.

I haven't been scanned and the lone evidence against me (which I agree looks bad) was my late vote to 'save' Mrs. S.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by mccollins

What's the point of the scan if you're going to vote for Chubby no matter the outcome?

So who do you thnk we should vote for today?

[Tyrith]

I can't really do anything other than restate what has happened. I have no role. I think it would be helpful for us for the witness and doctor to both reveal now.

[Chubby]

Also, if I was a wolf why would I have put myself out there when I was going ot be the Dem nominee for Prez and would have likely won since I was more popular than either heinz or tyrith AND the most popular dem?

I wouldn't have, I would have stayed the fuck quiet but I thought I had a good read on what was going on so I came out and said it.

[illinifan999]

How many districts do the wolves need to win the game again?

[KWhit]

I guess they're busy PMing each other trying to figure out what to do.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by illinifan999

How many districts do the wolves need to win the game again?

9

[KWhit]

Vote Censure Chubby

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by mccollins

If you were going to vote for him anyway, then you wasted your scan, right?

No, not really. My scan options, in my mind, were you, Chubby and Lathum. Lathum I ranked 3rd on there, and was likely really only on there due to long-ago actions.

Really, going into last night, I think that I, like most people who censured PB had a pretty good feeling that the last two wolves were you and Chubby. Surely, you were on *many* a radar yesterday. Heck, people were going to lynch you just as a sure-bet alternative to dealing with the Seer situation. So my scanning you as a wolf wouldn't have told me nearly the amount of new information as my Scanning Chubby as one would have. But just because Chubby came back clean didn't absolve him in my mind, after all, half of the remaining wolves out there would come back clean

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Chubby

almost missed this.

No, i have no role.

Good, I'm glad you didn't have to make me wait around for the counter (true) reveal.

Given we know now you aren't the doctor, I'm definitely ok with lynching you. Even if I'm wrong, then it's a given that Collins is a wolf. So that means Collins would be paired with

Pass - He's a villager. He handed us Mrs. S by crossing the aisle in that vote when he didn't need to. He has two supremely minor ticks towards wolf, but compared to that fact and the fact he's played a completely open-book villager game, I'd pay him off even if I was wrong

Me - Well, he's not, we all know that. But frankly, I figure even if somehow you guys still thought I was a wolf, you'd likely pay me off anyway.

illini - In which case I'm not worried about a wolf end game before tomorrow's day.

KWhit - Again, I'll pay him off too.

Tyrith - I've already gone over how a Tyrith/Collins final pairing is unlikely, as the game would be over by now.

[jeheinz72]

Vote Chubby for Censure

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Vote Censure Chubby

care to answer my questions?

Why on earth do I make the deciding vote as late as possible to lynch Mrs S as a wolf?

Why would I veto the bill as a wolf?

Why wouldn't I have hid and taken the presidency as a wolf?

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by KWhit

I don't understand your post.

Are you DEFENDING Chubby now?

I think he is, because the only way the two of them stand a snowballs chance in hell is if we somehow lynch Collins, the Brutal, he takes me out and Chubby night kills. Even then though I don't think they can win as the doc could block a night kill of you (KWhit) and Tyrith can't be night killed. Not sure on the timing of when illini would get his seat back though and how that all would work.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by KWhit

So who do you thnk we should vote for today?

Look, after yesterday, if we the village can't win this on their own I don't know what to tell ya. If Chubby's right and it's me and illinifan then I'd obviously want you to vote for illinifan. If most everyone else is right and it's me and Chubby then I'd want you to vote for Chubby so I can make it to the end.

I already tried to see if we could do nightfall so we could get this over with, but no such luck.

[mccollins]

Good call. He was so obvious yesterday.
Vote Chubby for Censure

Vive le village!

[illinifan999]

What if Chubby is clean? And there really was a 3-1 split. If we lynch Chubby, that gives collins probably 7 districts. Pass or Tyrith is the cunning, and it's game over.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by mccollins

Look, after yesterday, if we the village can't win this on their own I don't know what to tell ya. If Chubby's right and it's me and illinifan then I'd obviously want you to vote for illinifan. If most everyone else is right and it's me and Chubby then I'd want you to vote for Chubby so I can make it to the end.

I already tried to see if we could do nightfall so we could get this over with, but no such luck.

It sounds like there's a lot of debate going around -- you admit as much in your post. Why do you want nightfall? Also, I still don't know who you're thinking is most likely to be a wolf.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by illinifan999

What if Chubby is clean? And there really was a 3-1 split. If we lynch Chubby, that gives collins probably 7 districts. Pass or Tyrith is the cunning, and it's game over.

No need to worry about me being the cunning -- I actually haven't been scanned.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Chubby

care to answer my questions?

Why on earth do I make the deciding vote as late as possible to lynch Mrs S as a wolf?

Why would I veto the bill as a wolf?

Why wouldn't I have hid and taken the presidency as a wolf?

I'll answer

1. Good question! Methinks you won't be doing that next time you're a wolf. But for now, I'll go on the basis that one of you and collins *had* to vote Mrs. S in that case. If you stacked up, it'd look awfully bad for later vote analysis, and that was far and away our most important vote to date (and overall really). My guess is the 3 of you (you two and PB) decided to play it passive and go 2 for her and one for Ty, figuring Mrs.S isn't active anyhow, so if you lose her, oh well. The curried favor later on would almost be more valuable for the 2 of you who voted for her. Plus Collins was the brutal at that point, so if he caught heat at least he was taking someone down with him

2. You didn't have much choice, given the talk of that night. If you didn't veto it, you're as good as lynched in the following days given the stances put forth by people talking.

3. Did you even have a chance? I think you made the wrong call, you probably *should* have hid, and I'd bet you're likely wishing you did, since you failed in your attempt to prove my reveal as false. I think you thought you could win that show-down and had you guys been successful there, this game would likely be over.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by illinifan999

What if Chubby is clean? And there really was a 3-1 split. If we lynch Chubby, that gives collins probably 7 districts. Pass or Tyrith is the cunning, and it's game over.

As I've said before, if it's Pass as collins' partner, then I'll pay him off. He handed us Mrs. S, his vote basically said "Ok villager Dems, we're ok with you voting off a Republican today". He wouldn't do that and be partnered with her. Additionally, he's been almost clear-cut villager to this point. The only ticks against him, IMO, is the early strength of our 1st bill which was too strong (but that was the 1st day, no one knew what we know now) and that he was a liasion with Ches, so maybe somehow he picked up on him being the BG and hence his death. But even still, those are pretty out there and minor when compared. As I've said, I'm ok with just paying off a combo of Collins-Pass at this point.

As far as Tyrith, the game would be over by now if it was Collins and Tyrith. They would've night-killed Pass for 9 districts guaranteed. Those two are too smart to miss that rather obvious play if they were the wolves.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

No need to worry about me being the cunning -- I actually haven't been scanned.

No scan doesn't preclude you from being the cunning

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by mccollins

Look, after yesterday, if we the village can't win this on their own I don't know what to tell ya. If Chubby's right and it's me and illinifan then I'd obviously want you to vote for illinifan. If most everyone else is right and it's me and Chubby then I'd want you to vote for Chubby so I can make it to the end.

I already tried to see if we could do nightfall so we could get this over with, but no such luck.

[Tyrith]

If Pass is a wolf he deserves to win. I would have to be the cunning, meaning it'd have to be me and mccollins or me and illini, and really, do my actions reconcile to this?

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

It sounds like there's a lot of debate going around -- you admit as much in your post. Why do you want nightfall?

I want nightfall because many of us were frustrated with the game and don't want to wait to lynch until 9pm tonight and then again 9pm tomorrow night.

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Also, I still don't know who you're thinking is most likely to be a wolf.

Well, I've voted for Chubby like everyone else should.

[Tyrith]

VOTE LYNCH CHUBBY

[Tyrith]

Yesterday and day have actually a pretty fun couple of days in WW, IMO.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Plus Collins was the brutal at that point, so if he caught heat at least he was taking someone down with him

Nah, brutal didn't come around for another day or so. They added the dumb sneak clause first.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Yesterday and day have actually a pretty fun couple of days in WW, IMO.

Yeah, for us villagers! The wolves fed themselves to us!

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by mccollins

Yeah, for us villagers! The wolves fed themselves to us!

Quiet, wolf :P

[mccollins]

There's been zero talk in the Democrat thread this morning (imagine that!), so I'll just do this out here:
Vote KWhit Speaker of the House
Nominate / Support / Confirm / Endorse KWhit for Dem. Leader & Liaison

[Tyrith]

VOTE JEHEINZ72 SPEAKER

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by mccollins

No scan doesn't preclude you from being the cunning

True. I just meant that in his scenario, it's not like I *had* to be cunning in order to be a wolf.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by mccollins

There's been zero talk in the Democrat thread this morning (imagine that!), so I'll just do this out here:
Vote KWhit Speaker of the House
Nominate / Support / Confirm / Endorse KWhit for Dem. Leader & Liaison

Thanks, mcc. Do me a solid and nightkill someone other than me, too please? You don't want to cause the complete end tothe Democratic Party, do you?

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by mccollins

There's been zero talk in the Democrat thread this morning (imagine that!).

You and Chubby can use that to discuss your wolf strategy if you want. I promise I won't look.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

True. I just meant that in his scenario, it's not like I *had* to be cunning in order to be a wolf.

Ah, that's true. Well, to see what kind of wolf you are we'd have to lynch you and we've got the right man on the block today.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Thanks, mcc. Do me a solid and nightkill someone other than me, too please? You don't want to cause the complete end tothe Democratic Party, do you?

Make me the liaison to the Wolf Party and I promise to tell them not to nightkill you.

[Tyrith]

KWhit, you're amusing the heck out of me today.

[jeheinz72]

VOTE JEHEINZ72 SPEAKER

[jeheinz72]

Do we even need leaders/liasions?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by mccollins

I want nightfall because many of us were frustrated with the game and don't want to wait to lynch until 9pm tonight and then again 9pm tomorrow night.



Well, I've voted for Chubby like everyone else should.

So you were just thinking that we should vote Chubby and vote nightfall when you were suggesting it?

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Yesterday and day have actually a pretty fun couple of days in WW, IMO.

Agreed. For the most part. I'm pretty sure if my boss happens to check my outbound call log (or lack thereof) she wouldn't be of the same frame of mind.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by mccollins

Make me the liaison to the Wolf Party and I promise to tell them not to nightkill you.

I hereby declare that henceforth mccollins shall be the liason to the wolf party.