08-16-2011, 11:07 PM | #2351 | |
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Heimdell dead, from battle with Loki (dripping poison). Loki dead, from battle with Heimdell. Narcizo dead, "appeared to die of natural causes". I must have forgotten all the Norse legends about magical swords that kill giants by making them appear to die of natural causes. Perhaps you can direct me to them. You know you've got a lousy argument today. I'm not sure what kind of write-up you were hoping to get, but this is night and day different from what we saw with EagleFan/Balder and mckerney/Heimdell. Anyone who is around that isn't voting for you is willfully ignoring the facts that are in front of all of us. |
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08-16-2011, 11:08 PM | #2352 | |
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Heimdell said he could only be killed by Loki attack and was immune to Loki's abilities. I'll go find the post to quote it. |
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08-16-2011, 11:08 PM | #2353 | |
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Yes, that you're a wolf who has avoided lynch and is now connected in some way with Zinto possibly. |
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08-16-2011, 11:09 PM | #2354 | |
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Quoted as a reference for EF and anyone else who needs to review Heimdell's abilities. |
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08-16-2011, 11:09 PM | #2355 |
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08-16-2011, 11:10 PM | #2356 | |
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There you go, there is your wolf attack last night. Loki attacked mckerney. If mckerney did lie in order to lure out Loki I say bravo. You seem extremely wolfish at this point, like a wolf in desparation. |
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08-16-2011, 11:11 PM | #2357 | |
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Cool, vote for me. With you out in the open we'll have four wolves dead by the end of Day 8 latest. And I'll be embarrassed if it isn't by the end of Day 7, frankly. That is awfully good for a game with no seer. mckerney really broke this game open for us today, but we were going to learn about mauboy already tonight after that write-up. |
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08-16-2011, 11:12 PM | #2358 | |
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Look, do what you need to do with your vote. If you really think that mauboy is Freyr, I can't help you. |
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08-16-2011, 11:12 PM | #2359 | |
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Thank you, I think that makes my point. He did a great job of luring him out. |
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08-16-2011, 11:13 PM | #2360 | |
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Your honor, I object! Hearsay! You're assuming I am a wolf, which I am not. |
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08-16-2011, 11:13 PM | #2361 |
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Thinking out loud here.
With as much back and fourth in this thread between Hoops and Mauboy, I'd be careful about trusting either one to much if the other comes up wolf. |
08-16-2011, 11:14 PM | #2362 |
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Zinto tried to save hoops, only way it would be a setup is if he believed that he was going to be killed tonight.
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08-16-2011, 11:14 PM | #2363 |
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I'll just go ahead and nightfall it - there is nothing that is going to move me off of mauboy over the next 23 hours.
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08-16-2011, 11:14 PM | #2364 |
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I still think we need to look at Telle and Lathum possibly.
I am done for the night though. Exhausted. |
08-16-2011, 11:15 PM | #2365 |
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08-16-2011, 11:16 PM | #2366 | |
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I lean more towards trusting mau than hoops as I can see the exact scenario play out as I described. hoops is acting much more like a desperate wolf at this point. Especially since their plan fell apart when mckerney came up huge for us. Sorry I doubted you mckerney. |
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08-16-2011, 11:17 PM | #2367 | |
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Yeah which I'm doubting. However, it could be a setup IF he wanted him to be the lead candidate for the following day. That's a very real possibility. We have a lot more info to process now over the next 20+ hours with Zarc, ntn, and Mckerney as confirmed villagers and Zinto a confirmed baddie and the likely cause of vote manipulation. |
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08-16-2011, 11:18 PM | #2368 | |
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Crazy to think about this on Day 7 with what we have in front of us. I'm 100% fine with a showdown between you and me in this spot. And if people think I'm somehow putting on a show with you, they can come around to me the following day. Or lynch you the following day, but honestly that would be a pretty spectacular fail to accept that mauboy had anything to do with Narcizo's death. Now if he wants to change his story and suggest that he killed mckerney, who at least fell to a blade instead of natural causes ... nope, can't do that either as he is already posted multiple times that he hit Narcizo. |
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08-16-2011, 11:18 PM | #2369 |
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I trust you got something Racer?
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08-16-2011, 11:19 PM | #2370 | |
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In Shawshank Redemption, this is where Andy calls the warden "obtuse". |
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08-16-2011, 11:19 PM | #2371 |
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If there were 5 starting wolves we're looking at 7-2 at this point. After getting hoops tomorrow we need to find the last remaining one. Would that wolf care to step forward?
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08-16-2011, 11:25 PM | #2372 |
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I also think Telle could possibly be someone to look at again (probably not someone to vote for tomorrow though). She spends a lot of time in the thread before making her vote (much more so then others). She could be a villager making well thought out votes or a wolf discussing with the other wolves on who to put a vote on.
I think I've played with a couple of games with her before but I don't remember much about her. Does she take time to make votes whether she's a villager or a wolf? Also, did Zinto ever touch the hammer? That might provide us with a little insight on wolves and items. |
08-16-2011, 11:25 PM | #2373 | |
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If you weren't converted, and the last remaining wolf after mauboy, I can't remotely explain the stance you are taking here. However, since there still seem to be questions about Freyr's sword that killed Narcizo "of natural causes" let me go source material: Freyr - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia And that references the actual poem detailing the sword: "My steed I lend thee to lift thee o'er the weird ring of flickering flame, the sword also which swings itself, if wise be he who wields it." The sword swings itself, which I'm guessing would leave a mark. Or two, or three. But usually death by magical sword, or any sword, for that matter, is not confused with natural causes. |
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08-16-2011, 11:25 PM | #2374 |
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08-16-2011, 11:28 PM | #2375 |
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Also, in case people are forgetting why there wouldn't be a counter to mauboy's claim ... from the rules page:
"Roles that may be in the game (1 or more are in the game, all roles listed below are on the side of Good, the forces of Evil will know 1-2 of these roles that are not in the game, and there is one role present in the game which is not listed):" |
08-16-2011, 11:32 PM | #2376 |
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For now,
Vote Hoopsguy Hoops just seems desperate right now. He voted night fall very quickly. With so much more information out there to process, I think that's very rash decision since I don't think you can reverse it if I read the rules correctly. I don't think that's something a great villager would likely do, even one that would be facing a lot of heat the next day. More of a place holder vote then anything though. |
08-16-2011, 11:33 PM | #2377 | |
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Yeah, I haven't forgotten. You just seem really desperate right now. Also, it should be added just because someone's item is in the game doesn't mean that player is in the game. |
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08-16-2011, 11:35 PM | #2378 |
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Racer, I don't have to process information around me or why I escaped the lynch when I had the most votes. So that makes this easier for me, I'll accept that.
I'm not going to be around a ton tomorrow. I haven't heard anyone dispute anything I've posted about mauboy claiming that his dancing sword killed someone of natural causes. Contrast that to the write-ups on Thor being injured, Thor dying, and Heimdell/Loki showdown and propose how mauboy can be telling the truth. |
08-16-2011, 11:39 PM | #2379 | |
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Not suggesting you had, but we've got a few villagers in the game who might have overlooked this in a rush to give the wolves enough votes to hang me. I'm not desperate - I don't need to be. I'm just sure enough that there isn't a reason to change my vote. We've got Loki out of the game, so there wouldn't be a reason to say "oh shoot, we might want to trade one wolf for a better wolf!" If I get taken out, the villagers still have a clear path to the next wolf. And with four wolves voting information, they should be able to make reasonable decisions even if Narc isn't around to post his vote/unvote charts (they are pretty easy with fewer players around, in case someone wants to take up that mantle). |
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08-16-2011, 11:53 PM | #2380 |
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OK, I was sticking around to answer questions but I've got three votes and no one seems particularly interested in asking me questions directly - just suggesting that I'm desperate, I guess.
I think I've made it pretty clear why I think mauboy is a wolf. It has nothing to do with role information, items I have, private messages, or anything of the sort. It is all based on his conduct in the thread assuming a role that he has failed to validate in the night kill tonight. It is all information that is just as available to everyone else to process. I'm actually stunned that we've had as many people pass through here tonight and that I'm the only person with a vote on mauboy. |
08-17-2011, 12:07 AM | #2381 |
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To be fair, I feel less certain of Telle than you HG, but it seems there isn't much evidence to go to her over you.
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08-17-2011, 12:10 AM | #2382 | |
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Then turn it into a mauboy/hoopsguy referendum - take everyone else out of the mix for today, as it is minimizing your chances of catching a wolf. If you still think I'm the more likely wolf than him, vote me and get the day over with. Then you'll see I'm a vanilla villager, and you'll go bag mauboy tomorrow and still be in control of the game. I would prefer we get mauboy first, but I'm not going to be too picky about it. There is a seat in Valhalla waiting for me, and if I've done such a poor job of accumulating trust in this game that people would leave votes on me over mauboy given the writeup tonight and his claims earlier in the day ... well, then I deserve to be lynched. |
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Stealing Narcizo's prior posts and updating them since he's dead. |
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08-17-2011, 12:13 AM | #2384 |
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Please list EagleFan in a slightly different color than the dead villagers.
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08-17-2011, 12:13 AM | #2385 |
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Doing those updates, Jeheinz is definitely someone I'm going to look more at tomorrow.
Hoops/Mauboy is probably the way to go tomorrow though. |
08-17-2011, 12:16 AM | #2386 |
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08-17-2011, 12:43 AM | #2387 | |
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More stuff on Freyr's sword:
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/freyasgrd.htm "The sword was enchanted in that no substance could withstand its cutting edge and it could fight of its own accord." Now if you were a moderator, and were getting a player-kill order, how would you go about writing that up? Would it be something like this? Quote:
If Freyr was the god of assassins, or something along those lines maybe I would buy into this. If the sword was known to steal souls, instead of dancing by itself, I would be onboard. But there is nothing at all in the character of Freyr that indicates that he is going to send his magical sword to put someone down for a restful sleep on the road to Valhalla. |
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08-17-2011, 12:45 AM | #2388 |
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I'm just worried about Narcizo being frigid. Does his wife know?
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08-17-2011, 01:54 AM | #2389 |
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Great game JAG - and I'm really happy and excited at the level of participation in the game. It didn't feel like there were just two or three people driving the whole thing, it was much more of a group thing than usual I felt.
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08-17-2011, 05:44 AM | #2390 |
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The Jackal has replaced ntndeacon.
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08-17-2011, 05:59 AM | #2391 |
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08-17-2011, 06:37 AM | #2393 |
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I'm with hoops on this one. I don't think the sword story adds up. I do agree, however, with the consensus that the wolves attempted to kill mckerney and that mckerney had the ability to kill Loki if attacked.
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08-17-2011, 06:37 AM | #2394 |
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But, I hasten to add, I'm not convinced hoops is any good either. There was no way the wolves would know we'd be able to connect Zinto to both of the lynch switchings.
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If you are with me on the sword thing, then it means you agree that mauboy is not Freyr. Because he is taking credit for attacking Narcizo. He isn't suggesting that he sat idly by last night. If you believe that Freyr's Sword would kill a man of natural causes, then you should vote me because I'm clearly a wolf ... I manipulated the vote to live, and I'm leading a charge against a roled villager. Or at least that would have to be the thrust of the argument. If you think that mauboy is lying about Freyr's Sword, you should vote him. That is my argument, and I think it is a compelling one. Lynch him, see he is a wolf, and then decide my fate the next day. As someone who vigorously led the attack on one wolf, cast strong votes for two other wolves (Danny, Darth Vilus), pushed for transparency on item discussions (pivotal in identifying mauboy), and took villager-like actions when in possession of the mistletoe and the hammer. |
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08-17-2011, 07:32 AM | #2396 |
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I am with you on the sword thing and hence my vote is on mau.
As for the vote manipulation, that is a whole other argument, and one worth having so I certainly understand why people are voting for you rather than mau. |
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08-17-2011, 07:38 AM | #2398 |
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This one is pretty clear cut to me.
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Keep in mind that I didn't get a report back that said your sword killed Narcizo; my sword never even came back last night. After thinking in bed about it, it sounds like it was possible that the wolves killed Narcizo (why...?) and my sword couldn't find him and became lost. It makes me wonder if the sword is still out there actually. If so.. send it back my way.
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08-17-2011, 09:11 AM | #2400 | |
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That seems highly unplausible. So the wolves would get two kill actions? (Since pretty clearly Loki attacked McK) I mean don't get me wrong, the wolves did get two kill actions (Loki's and yours) but uh, it wasn't those two plus your sword just happened to not work. |
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