Leach Fired! - Page 5

Dr. Sak · 01-03-2010, 06:46 PM

My favorites were the ones on betting and tobacco.

RainMaker · 01-03-2010, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64

I wanted to know also so I did a quick search. I was not able to find a complete list of players that supposedly received payments/cars etc. Not sure I understand why this is not public info?

Craig James should get the benefit of doubt but it would not surprise me if James was one of those that did get extra benefits in the early 80s.

The full list was never released. Many of the player names were kept confidential. But as CU Tigers mentioned, the SMU case was so bad because they were literally paying their players like employees. Just giving them a set amount of money on a weekly basis. It wasn't a few individual cases but a system that was in place. They also completely lied about it to the NCAA which pissed them off more.

No one knows for sure if James was involved although it did seem to be a team thing. Being a star on the team I'm sure there were times when he was approached about it. I find it hard to believe this was all going on with all these players and he was oblivious to it.

Chief Rum · 01-03-2010, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dawgfan

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/news/story?id=4792320

Granted, this is reported from ESPN, so there's every reason to be suspicious of bias, especially when they mention a number of players unwilling to go on the record with their criticisms of Leach.

As well, the Senior quoted also admits he has not seen eye to eye with Leach in the past.

All that said, I think there's enough evidence to think that there are no innocent parties in all of this - Tech administration and boosters were clearly fed up with Leach and looking for a way out; Leach clearly had had enough of Tech, and perhaps had let that affect his relationship with his players; James and his family clearly seem to have blown out of proportion the "isolation" incidents; ESPN clearly has allowed their relationship with Craig James to color their reporting of the story.

Cool, thanks.

MacroGuru · 01-03-2010, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Your trainer and team doctor disputed that in sworn affadavits.

They both did 180's as they also said different in depo's to Leach's Lawyers to.

RainMaker · 01-03-2010, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dawgfan

Texas Tech players describe a different side of fired coach Mike Leach - ESPN Dallas

Granted, this is reported from ESPN, so there's every reason to be suspicious of bias, especially when they mention a number of players unwilling to go on the record with their criticisms of Leach.

As well, the Senior quoted also admits he has not seen eye to eye with Leach in the past.

All that said, I think there's enough evidence to think that there are no innocent parties in all of this - Tech administration and boosters were clearly fed up with Leach and looking for a way out; Leach clearly had had enough of Tech, and perhaps had let that affect his relationship with his players; James and his family clearly seem to have blown out of proportion the "isolation" incidents; ESPN clearly has allowed their relationship with Craig James to color their reporting of the story.

Caplan is not an ESPN goon. He's a local reporter who has covered the beat in Dallas/Fort-Worth for a long time.

I don't know why any of that is surprising. There have been small stories that have leaked out such as the Edward Britton one and the fat girlfriends one. The guy had an ego and a different way of approaching his players. Probably rubbed a few the wrong way. I just think it's funny that everyone think Adam James was the sole reason that this guy got fired as if he has that kind of power with the school.

Chief Rum · 01-03-2010, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Caplan is not an ESPN goon. He's a local reporter who has covered the beat in Dallas/Fort-Worth for a long time.

I don't know why any of that is surprising. There have been small stories that have leaked out such as the Edward Britton one and the fat girlfriends one. The guy had an ego and a different way of approaching his players. Probably rubbed a few the wrong way. I just think it's funny that everyone think Adam James was the sole reason that this guy got fired as if he has that kind of power with the school.

Everyone? I'm not sure there is even an Anyone, much less everyone. Most here seem to agree that the Leach firing was primarily motivated by issues between Leach and the administration, with the James thing just a reason for the school to do it.

RainMaker · 01-03-2010, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MacroGuru

They both did 180's as they also said different in depo's to Leach's Lawyers to.

No they didn't. They never stated that it was their idea to put him in the shed for medical reasons. I'm refuting TexasT's statement that he was put in their on doctor's advice. Neither statement says that and the sworn affadavit given first stated that they both felt it was inappropriate and served no medical purpose.

These statements are all online so either TexasT isn't following the news or can't read.

RainMaker · 01-03-2010, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Everyone? I'm not sure there is even an Anyone, much less everyone. Most here seem to agree that the Leach firing was primarily motivated by issues between Leach and the administration, with the James thing just a reason for the school to do it.

I'm sure money played a role. I do think his ego though was a factor and it went beyond the Adam James incident (although that may be an excuse). There have been a lot of odd stories involving his treatment of players over the year and perhaps there were a lot of players who just didn't like the guy (as we've seen from recent articles with comments from players on the team).

dawgfan · 01-03-2010, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

No one knows for sure if James was involved although it did seem to be a team thing. Being a star on the team I'm sure there were times when he was approached about it. I find it hard to believe this was all going on with all these players and he was oblivious to it.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if James were involved. But there's a difference between speculating he was involved vs. stating that he was involved as though it were a fact.

thealmighty · 01-03-2010, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

I love how Craig James, who was one of the reasons that SMU got the death penalty, is all up in a coaches ass about his kid not being played. My dislike for him allows me to be anything but fair to either party in this situation.

Use your other reasons to hate James (there are several) but he was not part of the cheating scandal. He wasn't even going to SMU until his girlfriend decided to go. He followed her.

Maybe I would have a bit more info than others. I was there.

Dr. Sak · 01-03-2010, 09:17 PM

Right because I'm the only one in this thread that believes those outrageous accusation

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He wasn't even going to SMU until his girlfriend decided to go. He followed her.

So Craig James went to SMU because of his girlfriend and that makes him not apart of the cheating how?

dawgfan · 01-03-2010, 10:05 PM

There is a subtle but important distinction between saying it's likely that James was part of that scandal due to circumstantial evidence vs. acting as though it were a fact that he was part of the cheating scandal.

TexasT · 01-04-2010, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

No they didn't. They never stated that it was their idea to put him in the shed for medical reasons. I'm refuting TexasT's statement that he was put in their on doctor's advice. Neither statement says that and the sworn affadavit given first stated that they both felt it was inappropriate and served no medical purpose.

These statements are all online so either TexasT isn't following the news or can't read.

I never said the doctor told them to put him in a shed. What I said was the medical advice was to keep him out of bright light and in a cool place. Are you related to Craig James?

RainMaker · 01-04-2010, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TexasT

I never said the doctor told them to put him in a shed. What I said was the medical advice was to keep him out of bright light and in a cool place. Are you related to Craig James?

You insinuated that this was just the doctor's choice. That the doctors didn't think it was a fucked up move.

Anyways, don't worry. You guys will find another coach who can take you to shitty bowl games every year.

Axxon · 01-04-2010, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

You insinuated that this was just the doctor's choice. That the doctors didn't think it was a fucked up move.

Anyways, don't worry. You guys will find another coach who can take you to shitty bowl games every year.

C'mon Craig, why so bitter? You won and all.

JonInMiddleGA · 01-04-2010, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Anyways, don't worry. You guys will find another coach who can take you to shitty bowl games every year.

Yes Craig and you can watch those games on TV with your precious offspring from the safety & comfort of his apartment in your basement.

Shkspr · 01-04-2010, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

So Craig James went to SMU because of his girlfriend and that makes him not apart of the cheating how?

Because nobody would admit to being led around by his dick like that when he had the out of claiming he was offered sweet, sweet cash to play for SMU?

TexasT · 01-04-2010, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxon

C'mon Craig, why so bitter? You won and all.

Samdari · 01-04-2010, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

So Craig James went to SMU because of his girlfriend and that makes him not apart of the cheating how?

Its legal for schools to provide recruits with female 'hostesses' to 'show them around campus' as long as it happens on campus. Its only when they go off campus to provide recruits with sex that a recruiting violation occurs.

Chubby · 01-04-2010, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by thealmighty

I was there.

there we go, end of discussion! forget proving anything, just say you were there and that is that

Dr. Sak · 01-04-2010, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Samdari

Its legal for schools to provide recruits with female 'hostesses' to 'show them around campus' as long as it happens on campus. Its only when they go off campus to provide recruits with sex that a recruiting violation occurs.

Is it legal for school to pay their players while they are in school because this is what the argument is about, not on whether he got sexual favors on or off campus for female hostesses?

Chubby · 01-04-2010, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

My favorites were the ones on betting and tobacco.

the tobacco one was so lame. i dreaded that class (the NCAA mandated one) because you were ineligible if you failed (was pass/fail and if you missed 3+ classes you auto-failed) and it was only available at 8am of course...

Kodos · 01-04-2010, 02:18 PM

Guys over on the Indiana boards at Scout are clamoring for us to hire Leach. I've kinda had enough of the Bobby Knight types myself.

cartman · 01-04-2010, 06:17 PM

I'm out in the Bay Area this week for training, and just heard a rumor that Al Davis is going to bring in Leach for an interview.

SackAttack · 01-04-2010, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

I'm out in the Bay Area this week for training, and just heard a rumor that Al Davis is going to bring in Leach for an interview.

Somehow that wouldn't shock me.

dervack · 01-04-2010, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

I'm out in the Bay Area this week for training, and just heard a rumor that Al Davis is going to bring in Leach for an interview.

It makes sense. With all the speed they draft on offense, why not run a spread. Of course, they need better WR and a good QB. But better than running the 3 and out offense.

JonInMiddleGA · 01-04-2010, 08:34 PM

Wait'll the Raiders draft Tebow

CU Tiger · 01-04-2010, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

My favorites were the ones on betting and tobacco.

LOL YES!
Tobacco ruins lives...stay away from this dangerous killer.

He he

CU Tiger · 01-04-2010, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Wait'll the Raiders draft Tebow

I actually fully expect the Raiders to draft Jacoby Ford....I mean sure he is only 6'0 on a good day, but he would probably be the fastest (or 2nd fastest) player Davis ever drafted and you know he loves him some speed

sooner333 · 01-05-2010, 12:22 AM

Would Al Davis, an owner who recently had a press conference to fire a coach "for cause" due to insubordination, hire a coach who was just fired "for cause" due to insubordination?

Cap Ologist · 01-05-2010, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by sooner333

Would Al Davis, an owner who recently had a press conference to fire a coach "for cause" due to insubordination, hire a coach who was just fired "for cause" due to insubordination?

You're assuming he remembers that he did that.

Dr. Sak · 01-05-2010, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by cartman

I'm out in the Bay Area this week for training, and just heard a rumor that Al Davis is going to bring in Leach for an interview.

It would make total sense because a Raider is a form of a pirate.

Airhog · 01-05-2010, 09:20 AM

Dan Patrick was talking this morning about how he heard a rumor that the Raiders are going to make a play for Leach. Dan didn't know what coaching position they might hire him for though.

RainMaker · 01-05-2010, 09:35 AM

I hope they hire him as OC. That system won't work in the NFL but it could fool some teams for a season and make things interesting in Oakland (ala Gary Crowton with the Bears). Problem is that I think you need a somewhat intelligent QB to run it and Russell doesn't fit the bill.

albionmoonlight · 01-05-2010, 09:59 AM

Is there an NFL QB (even among the sucky ones) less suited to the spread offense than Russell? It seems designed to maximize his weaknesses and minimize his strengths.

Al Davis likes old guys. Maybe Warren Moon can be talked into coming out of retirement.

flounder · 01-05-2010, 10:13 AM

I'm way out of my depth here, but I thought that one of the strengths of the Air Raid offense is that it's simple to teach. There are only a few basic plays, but by lining receivers up in different spots you can add complexity. The receivers only have to learn a few routes. At the start of the play, they just get told where to line up.

It seems like that is a great idea in college where there is limited practice time, but not so much in the pros. Pros have the time to install a complicated offense already.

sooner333 · 01-05-2010, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by flounder

I'm way out of my depth here, but I thought that one of the strengths of the Air Raid offense is that it's simple to teach. There are only a few basic plays, but by lining receivers up in different spots you can add complexity. The receivers only have to learn a few routes. At the start of the play, they just get told where to line up.

Not really. The playbook is small, but so much is based on the quarterback making right decisions. The QB is basically given free reign to audible at all times based on the way the defense is lined up. I would say that smarts is way more important than being able to make the throws.

Russell would be an unmitigated disaster in the Air Raid.

gstelmack · 01-05-2010, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sooner333

Not really. The playbook is small, but so much is based on the quarterback making right decisions. The QB is basically given free reign to audible at all times based on the way the defense is lined up. I would say that smarts is way more important than being able to make the throws.

Russell would be an unmitigated disaster in the Air Raid.

Aside from the spread part, isn't this the Colts' offense?

sooner333 · 01-05-2010, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

Aside from the spread part, isn't this the Colts' offense?

Well, the audible part is, but the offense is simpler in the sense that there are fewer plays.

BYU 14 · 01-05-2010, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by sooner333

Not really. The playbook is small, but so much is based on the quarterback making right decisions. The QB is basically given free reign to audible at all times based on the way the defense is lined up. I would say that smarts is way more important than being able to make the throws.

Russell would be an unmitigated disaster in the Air Raid.

Exactly, so much is based on the QB and receivers being on the same page as each route has 3-4 sight adjustments based on coverages and pressure. It is easy to learn, but hard to perfect.

QuikSand · 01-05-2010, 03:55 PM

Ok, here's what we want out of this. Raiders hire Leach to run his offense, that's a no brainer. Then he has to go on a Spurrier-like rant about how he just needs any old guy who knows how to run his system.. and I'm thinking they pluck Kliff Kingsbury out of thin air and make him the starter. Or maybe the guy before him or after him, whatever. This has me as excited as just about anything I have heard in a football offseason in a good while. I want this.

dawgfan · 01-05-2010, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

Ok, here's what we want out of this. Raiders hire Leach to run his offense, that's a no brainer. Then he has to go on a Spurrier-like rant about how he just needs any old guy who knows how to run his system.. and I'm thinking they pluck Kliff Kingsbury out of thin air and make him the starter. Or maybe the guy before him or after him, whatever. This has me as excited as just about anything I have heard in a football offseason in a good while. I want this.

This would be fun.

I'd also love to see a team say "fuck it" and try the spread option offense and bring in guys like Tebow, Pat White and Dennis Dixon to run it.

sooner333 · 01-05-2010, 04:32 PM

Another issue would be that if they keep Cable, but hire Leach as OC to call plays, then how will Cable, as an OL guy handle Leach's wide OL splits. I mean, it's pretty radical--especially in the NFL.

NewIdentity · 01-05-2010, 08:16 PM

I would love to see Leach as the Head coach for the Raiders next year. This may be the solution to finally get the Raiders turned around.

RainMaker · 01-05-2010, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by sooner333

Not really. The playbook is small, but so much is based on the quarterback making right decisions. The QB is basically given free reign to audible at all times based on the way the defense is lined up. I would say that smarts is way more important than being able to make the throws.

Russell would be an unmitigated disaster in the Air Raid.

It's also largely based on accuracy over arm strength, the exact opposite of Russell's game.

Not that it matters since they'll need 3-4 QBs due to all the injuries they'll have running it.

DeToxRox · 01-09-2010, 11:25 AM

Zach Thomas is pissed:

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Zach Thomas wants to end association with Texas Tech
Posted: Jan 08, 2010 8:20 PM EST

LUBBOCK, TX (KCBD) - A former Texas Tech football player wants to end his association with Texas Tech.

A representative for Zach Thomas, who spent 13 seasons in the NFL as a linebacker, says he wants to end his relationship with Tech including all commercials associated with the university. He also does not want Tech to use his likeness in any way.

Thomas is said to be unhappy about the firing of Mike Leach.

ISiddiqui · 01-09-2010, 02:27 PM

And it looks like Tuberville is the new Texas Tech coach:

Source: Tommy Tuberville will be next Texas Tech Red Raiders coach - ESPN

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Former Auburn coach Tommy Tuberville will be named the next football coach at Texas Tech, a source close to the search told ESPN.com's Ivan Maisel.

A news conference is set for Sunday at 3 p.m. ET in Lubbock, Texas. Tuberville's family is flying to Lubbock Saturday night, according to the source.

Grammaticus · 01-09-2010, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

And it looks like Tuberville is the new Texas Tech coach:

Source: Tommy Tuberville will be next Texas Tech Red Raiders coach - ESPN

Ha ha, they are going to miss Leach pretty soon.

CU Tiger · 01-10-2010, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Ha ha, they are going to miss Leach pretty soon.

Given the firing, I think its about the best TT could hope for.

TexasT · 01-11-2010, 12:30 AM

Given the quick hire, seems they already had the guy in place for some time.

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01-04-2010, 06:17 PM	#224
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	I'm out in the Bay Area this week for training, and just heard a rumor that Al Davis is going to bring in Leach for an interview. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

01-04-2010, 08:34 PM	#227
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01-05-2010, 09:20 AM	#233
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01-05-2010, 10:13 AM	#236
flounder High School Varsity Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lynchburg, VA	I'm way out of my depth here, but I thought that one of the strengths of the Air Raid offense is that it's simple to teach. There are only a few basic plays, but by lining receivers up in different spots you can add complexity. The receivers only have to learn a few routes. At the start of the play, they just get told where to line up. It seems like that is a great idea in college where there is limited practice time, but not so much in the pros. Pros have the time to install a complicated offense already. Last edited by flounder : 01-05-2010 at 10:14 AM.

01-03-2010, 06:46 PM	#201
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	My favorites were the ones on betting and tobacco.

01-03-2010, 10:05 PM	#212
dawgfan Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Seattle	There is a subtle but important distinction between saying it's likely that James was part of that scandal due to circumstantial evidence vs. acting as though it were a fact that he was part of the cheating scandal.

01-05-2010, 12:22 AM	#230
sooner333 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Norman, OK	Would Al Davis, an owner who recently had a press conference to fire a coach "for cause" due to insubordination, hire a coach who was just fired "for cause" due to insubordination?

01-05-2010, 09:35 AM	#234
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	I hope they hire him as OC. That system won't work in the NFL but it could fool some teams for a season and make things interesting in Oakland (ala Gary Crowton with the Bears). Problem is that I think you need a somewhat intelligent QB to run it and Russell doesn't fit the bill.

01-05-2010, 09:59 AM	#235
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Is there an NFL QB (even among the sucky ones) less suited to the spread offense than Russell? It seems designed to maximize his weaknesses and minimize his strengths. Al Davis likes old guys. Maybe Warren Moon can be talked into coming out of retirement.

01-05-2010, 03:55 PM	#241
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	Ok, here's what we want out of this. Raiders hire Leach to run his offense, that's a no brainer. Then he has to go on a Spurrier-like rant about how he just needs any old guy who knows how to run his system.. and I'm thinking they pluck Kliff Kingsbury out of thin air and make him the starter. Or maybe the guy before him or after him, whatever. This has me as excited as just about anything I have heard in a football offseason in a good while. I want this.

01-05-2010, 04:32 PM	#243
sooner333 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Norman, OK	Another issue would be that if they keep Cable, but hire Leach as OC to call plays, then how will Cable, as an OL guy handle Leach's wide OL splits. I mean, it's pretty radical--especially in the NFL.

01-05-2010, 08:16 PM	#244
NewIdentity High School JV Join Date: Jun 2009	I would love to see Leach as the Head coach for the Raiders next year. This may be the solution to finally get the Raiders turned around. __________________ I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed. Michael Jordan

01-11-2010, 12:30 AM	#250
TexasT Mascot Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Seguin, Texas	Given the quick hire, seems they already had the guy in place for some time.

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