NFL Week 5 - Page 5

jeff061 · 10-09-2005, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Perhaps it's because they won?

Belicheck usually only looks that happy in championship games.

Schmidty · 10-09-2005, 03:31 PM

For Lions fans: Joey was terrible yet again today, yet the Lions won. Should he get another free pass from Mooch? I really hope they aren't satisfied with him, nor do I hope that they are waiting patiently for Garcia to get better and save the day in a few weeks. I truly feel that they should start giving Orlovsky more time with the 1st team offense during practice and begin to consider him as the eventual starter. He has something Joey has never had: Balls.

TroyF · 10-09-2005, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RadioFriendlyUnitShifter

Why do teams run on 2nd down & 1? Go for the deep ball and save the run for 3rd down if it doesn't work!

Because that only works a few times a year. You can't just do that over and over and over again. Teams will catch on and start blitzing you and covering you deep. Your best bet is to take the first down most of the time and save the bombs for a couple of special occasions during the year.

Ben E Lou · 10-09-2005, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Yes it would. I'd be happy to compete in any such contest. If you would like my credentials, simply ask.

I'm sure I'd fall to your superior grammar and syntax, oh genius. Besides, I always tested lower in verbal skills than mathematical.

st.cronin · 10-09-2005, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

For Lions fans: Joey was terrible yet again today, yet the Lions won. Should he get another free pass from Mooch? I really hope they aren't satisfied with him, nor do I hope that they are waiting patiently for Garcia to get better and save the day in a few weeks. I truly feel that they should start giving Orlovsky more time with the 1st team offense during practice and begin to consider him as the eventual starter. He has something Joey has never had: Balls.

Is Orlovsky the guy that played for Huskies of Yukon? I liked his game in college ... not sure how well it would translate to the nfl.

DeToxRox · 10-09-2005, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

For Lions fans: Joey was terrible yet again today, yet the Lions won. Should he get another free pass from Mooch? I really hope they aren't satisfied with him, nor do I hope that they are waiting patiently for Garcia to get better and save the day in a few weeks. I truly feel that they should start giving Orlovsky more time with the 1st team offense during practice and begin to consider him as the eventual starter. He has something Joey has never had: Balls.

I agree, give Orlovsky more reps with the first team so he can be ready for a chance to come in. We can't risk it considering we're in first now.

DeToxRox · 10-09-2005, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Is Orlovsky the guy that played for Huskies of Yukon? I liked his game in college ... not sure how well it would translate to the nfl.

Indeed.

gstelmack · 10-09-2005, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Solecismic

There's a highlight we'll see over and over tonight. Daniel Graham on an amazing catch and run immediately after the announcers point out New England TEs have just one touchdown this season.

I dropped Daniel Graham in my Yahoo league this past week

st.cronin · 10-09-2005, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRoxDVHStyle

Indeed.

Bret Basanez of Northwestern reminds me of him. Not the best arm in the world, but cooler than James Dean. Definitely the kind of guy you want making decisions on the field. Sort of the opposite of Joey Harrington.

TazFTW · 10-09-2005, 03:38 PM

How 'bout them Cowboys!

Cowboys 14-0.

Schmidty · 10-09-2005, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

I'm sure I'd fall to your superior grammar and syntax, oh genius. Besides, I always tested lower in verbal skills than mathematical.

Meh, I'm not perfect by any means. I'm sure you'd kill me in mathematics.

I majored in English and was Lead English Tutor (in the Learning Center) for 8 years at Kalamazoo College (1993-2001) before moving to Grand Rapids, so I get a little defensive when my grammar and such gets critiqued on the internet. That probably shows a deep-seated insecurity of mine to the world. Oh well.

Honolulu_Blue · 10-09-2005, 03:42 PM

Anyone else having trouble connection to NFL.com?

Schmidty · 10-09-2005, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Bret Basanez of Northwestern reminds me of him. Not the best arm in the world, but cooler than James Dean. Definitely the kind of guy you want making decisions on the field. Sort of the opposite of Joey Harrington.

Exactly. Orlovsky seems to actually want it. Joey just seems to be along for the ride.

st.cronin · 10-09-2005, 03:43 PM

Terry Glenn is on a pace for 40 catches and 752 yards.

timmynausea · 10-09-2005, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Terry Glenn is on a pace for 40 catches and 752 yards.

That'd be quite a game.

Karlifornia · 10-09-2005, 03:44 PM

Edgerrin James fumbles on the goal line..being reviewed....

cthomer5000 · 10-09-2005, 03:45 PM

Dungy needs to challenge the call in the Indy game. There are two possible good outcomes: Either it's a touchdown for E.James of the 49er guy could have also recovered the ball outside the goal line and brought it back into the endzone - which would be a safety. So it's better than the usua challenge becasue there are two ways to win it.

edit: good, he is challengeing it.

INDalltheway · 10-09-2005, 03:47 PM

It's gonna be a TD...

st.cronin · 10-09-2005, 03:47 PM

The Eagles are NOT going to win today. The Boys are just beating up on them at every matchup.

Buccaneer · 10-09-2005, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Meh, I'm not perfect by any means. I'm sure you'd kill me in mathematics.

I majored in English and was Lead English Tutor (in the Learning Center) for 8 years at Kalamazoo College (1993-2001) before moving to Grand Rapids, so I get a little defensive when my grammar and such gets critiqued on the internet. That probably shows a deep-seated insecurity of mine to the world. Oh well.

Schmidty, you don't challenge SkyDog on a day when the Atlanta Vickons loses.

cthomer5000 · 10-09-2005, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by INDalltheway

It's gonna be a TD...

nope. horrible call by the refs. HORRIBLE. There really is obvious video evidence showing him hitting the goal line with the ball.

INDalltheway · 10-09-2005, 03:48 PM

Or we are going to try to keep the score closer so maybe a story could be made out of Alex Smith's first NFL start... Gotta love the NFL.

Schmidty · 10-09-2005, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Schmidty, you don't challenge SkyDog on a day when the Atlanta Vickons loses.

My bad. I can sympathize since I'm a Lion fan.

I should have been nicer; after all, it's not as if he's a Wolverine fan.

dubb93 · 10-09-2005, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by INDalltheway

Or we are going to try to keep the score closer so maybe a story could be made out of Alex Smith's first NFL start... Gotta love the NFL.

Yea, terrible call, but I'm sure they wouldn't send an all-star crew to a game that was already over when the schedule was made.

Desnudo · 10-09-2005, 04:00 PM

Reading the recap doesn't excite me about the Pats' chances against Indy.

"Atlanta (3-2) tied the game at 28 when Schaub threw a 14-yard scoring pass to Dez White with 3:52 remaining, then went to Brian Finneran for a 2-point conversion."

I mean, if the Pats' nobodies can't stop their nobodies, they're in trouble once they play somebody.

TroyF · 10-09-2005, 04:01 PM

Plummer hits Lelie for a 5 yard TD. So far, neither defense can stop the two offenses. the Washington fumble really cost them. Star of the game thus far has been Tatum Bell. 4 carries, 50 yards, 1TD. QB's are a combined 15-19 for 152 and 2 TD in freezing rain.

INDalltheway · 10-09-2005, 04:07 PM

Alex Smith, I am sorry to inform you that this isn't the Colts' defense of years past...

TroyF · 10-09-2005, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by INDalltheway

Alex Smith, I am sorry to inform you that this isn't the Colts' defense of years past...

Alex would probably struggle and make a few misreads against the worst defense in the league. His first start, tough defense, it's not going to end pretty.

That said, what a great little run by Gore.

Karlifornia · 10-09-2005, 04:14 PM

Just keep playing Smith this season, and the Niners can get Reggie Bush or some help on the offensive line...or defensive line..or secondary...basically anything.

Karlifornia · 10-09-2005, 04:15 PM

"You must make a football move"

I think this is veering close to overused territory

INDalltheway · 10-09-2005, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RadioFriendlyUnitShifter

Just keep playing Smith this season, and the Niners can get Reggie Bush or some help on the offensive line...or defensive line..or secondary...basically anything.

The growing pains suck, but it is the only way he will get better. I remember watching Manning struggle, but the game expierence excellerated his development.

st.cronin · 10-09-2005, 04:20 PM

What the hell is wrong with Philly today? The way they're playing, they'd have trouble beating USC.

TroyF · 10-09-2005, 04:24 PM

This just in. . . Boldin and Fitzgerald are damned good WR. It's only a matter of time before the Cardinals become respectable.

Yes, I realize what I just wrote.

Schmidty · 10-09-2005, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TroyF

This just in. . . Boldin and Fitzgerald are damned good WR. It's only a matter of time before the Cardinals become respectable.

Yes, I realize what I just wrote.

Yep, because good WRs make a team respectable. Just tell that to Detroit.....

Karlifornia · 10-09-2005, 04:27 PM

I haven't watched much Lions football, but does anyone believe that their WR's are anything more than talented at this point, rather than proven commodities? Or is it all Joey "97 passing yards" Harrington's fault?

miami_fan · 10-09-2005, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by INDalltheway

The growing pains suck, but it is the only way he will get better. I remember watching Manning struggle, but the game expierence excellerated his development.

Just like it did for David Carr right?

Sorry. All week long I have heard the comparison to Peyton while a complete ignorance of the other QBs who were thrown in early and failed.

jeff061 · 10-09-2005, 04:30 PM

I'm not sure what the point is. He's going to struggle, most QB's do whether they turn out good or bad. The ones who don't generally have a good supporting cast. So why argue about it during his 1st game?

ISiddiqui · 10-09-2005, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

Just like it did for David Carr right?

Sorry. All week long I have heard the comparison to Peyton while a complete ignorance of the other QBs who were thrown in early and failed.

Well Carr has that whole wet paper towel for an offensive line thing.

TroyF · 10-09-2005, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Yep, because good WRs make a team respectable. Just tell that to Detroit.....

Big difference. . . the Cardinal receivers are making plays. Plays all over the field.

One of em already has a 100 catch season under his belt. the other had a solid rookie year and is on his wasy to 100 this year. The Lions have one guy who had a solid rookie year, 1 guy who hasn't been healthy for more than 3 consecutive games in his career and a rookie who is getting about 1 catch a game.

If the Detroit guys develop, they'll eventually be good. That much talent at the skill positions will keep you in games. I think the Cardinals two are just about there right now.

TroyF · 10-09-2005, 04:37 PM

I'm just about ready to give up on Carr, even with the offensive line. He's just not making good decisions, even when he has time. By now, we should see some "slivers" of greatness. With Carr that seems to be missing.

We can get into the "how do we develop a great QB" debate all day. There have been cases where guys have succeeded each way. There have been cases where guys have busted each way. Depends on the player, depends on the situation.

miami_fan · 10-09-2005, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TroyF

I'm just about ready to give up on Carr, even with the offensive line. He's just not making good decisions, even when he has time. By now, we should see some "slivers" of greatness. With Carr that seems to be missing.

We can get into the "how do we develop a great QB" debate all day. There have been cases where guys have succeeded each way. There have been cases where guys have busted each way. Depends on the player, depends on the situation.

Carr will get at least one more season due to the pending coaching change

BTW The Cowboys is absolutely torching the Eagles

TroyF · 10-09-2005, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

Carr will get at least one more season due to the pending coaching change

BTW The Cowboys is absolutely torching the Eagles

Oh, he'll probably get two more chances. Once with a coaching change, once with a different team. His size, strength, arm, toughness. . . they'll all impress a coach or two to give him a shot. I'm just not sure he'll ever succeed. But it's better than Harrington, who we know isn't going to succeed at this point.

miami_fan · 10-09-2005, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

OK. You're the new coach in Houston. You have the #1 overall pick. Do you take Leinart or start the bidding war?

I think you start the bidding war. Not because I am convinced that Carr is the answer but because I know I need an O-line, Defensive front changes if I am not going with the 3-4, etc.

cthomer5000 · 10-09-2005, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

OK. You're the new coach in Houston. You have the #1 overall pick. Do you take Leinart or start the bidding war?

Bidding war. they have serious o-line issues, and really need to adress that first. If you can trade down for 2 1st rounders, you spend them both on lineman.

st.cronin · 10-09-2005, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

OK. You're the new coach in Houston. You have the #1 overall pick. Do you take Leinart or start the bidding war?

Start the bidding war. Depending on who comes out early, there's quite a few QBs likely coming out of college that I think *could* be good. Leinart is obviously the best, but if you want a QB there's also Young, Shockley, Croyle, the Vanderbilt kid, potentially Quinn, etc. Obviously Leinart will be the class of the QBs, but he's by no means a sure thing.

TroyF · 10-09-2005, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

OK. You're the new coach in Houston. You have the #1 overall pick. Do you take Leinart or start the bidding war?

It all depends on how me and my scouts rate Leinhart. If he's truly rated as high as Manning was (and that happens about once a decade), you can't pass him up. You make a trade, but it's one that involves Carr, not the #1 pick.

If you have questions about Leinhart or my scouts think he's a very good, but not great QB, you deal the pick.

Ben E Lou · 10-09-2005, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Schmidty, you don't challenge SkyDog on a day when the Atlanta Vickons loses.

This loss doesn't bother me one bit, fyi.

Neuqua · 10-09-2005, 05:11 PM

Who was considered the better prospect in college, Leinart or Palmer?

sabotai · 10-09-2005, 05:11 PM

Houston has problems that drafting Leinhart won't solve. Trade down, get a few good picks and start plugging holes.

Schmidty · 10-09-2005, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

This loss doesn't bother me one bit, fyi.

I know what you mean. I don't mind when they lose either.

10-09-2005, 03:31 PM	#202
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	For Lions fans: Joey was terrible yet again today, yet the Lions won. Should he get another free pass from Mooch? I really hope they aren't satisfied with him, nor do I hope that they are waiting patiently for Garcia to get better and save the day in a few weeks. I truly feel that they should start giving Orlovsky more time with the 1st team offense during practice and begin to consider him as the eventual starter. He has something Joey has never had: Balls. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross Last edited by Schmidty : 10-09-2005 at 03:32 PM.

10-09-2005, 03:42 PM	#212
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10-09-2005, 03:44 PM	#216
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	Edgerrin James fumbles on the goal line..being reviewed.... __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com

10-09-2005, 04:00 PM	#225
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	Reading the recap doesn't excite me about the Pats' chances against Indy. "Atlanta (3-2) tied the game at 28 when Schaub threw a 14-yard scoring pass to Dez White with 3:52 remaining, then went to Brian Finneran for a 2-point conversion." I mean, if the Pats' nobodies can't stop their nobodies, they're in trouble once they play somebody. Last edited by Desnudo : 10-09-2005 at 04:02 PM.

10-09-2005, 04:14 PM	#229
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	Just keep playing Smith this season, and the Niners can get Reggie Bush or some help on the offensive line...or defensive line..or secondary...basically anything. __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com

10-09-2005, 03:38 PM	#210
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	How 'bout them Cowboys! Cowboys 14-0.

10-09-2005, 03:43 PM	#214
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Terry Glenn is on a pace for 40 catches and 752 yards.

10-09-2005, 03:47 PM	#218
INDalltheway College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Chicago	It's gonna be a TD...

10-09-2005, 03:47 PM	#219
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	The Eagles are NOT going to win today. The Boys are just beating up on them at every matchup.

10-09-2005, 03:48 PM	#222
INDalltheway College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Chicago	Or we are going to try to keep the score closer so maybe a story could be made out of Alex Smith's first NFL start... Gotta love the NFL.

10-09-2005, 04:01 PM	#226
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Plummer hits Lelie for a 5 yard TD. So far, neither defense can stop the two offenses. the Washington fumble really cost them. Star of the game thus far has been Tatum Bell. 4 carries, 50 yards, 1TD. QB's are a combined 15-19 for 152 and 2 TD in freezing rain.

10-09-2005, 04:07 PM	#227
INDalltheway College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Chicago	Alex Smith, I am sorry to inform you that this isn't the Colts' defense of years past...

10-09-2005, 04:15 PM	#230
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	"You must make a football move" I think this is veering close to overused territory __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com

10-09-2005, 04:20 PM	#232
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	What the hell is wrong with Philly today? The way they're playing, they'd have trouble beating USC.

10-09-2005, 04:24 PM	#233
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	This just in. . . Boldin and Fitzgerald are damned good WR. It's only a matter of time before the Cardinals become respectable. Yes, I realize what I just wrote.

10-09-2005, 04:27 PM	#235
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	I haven't watched much Lions football, but does anyone believe that their WR's are anything more than talented at this point, rather than proven commodities? Or is it all Joey "97 passing yards" Harrington's fault? __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com

10-09-2005, 04:30 PM	#237
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	I'm not sure what the point is. He's going to struggle, most QB's do whether they turn out good or bad. The ones who don't generally have a good supporting cast. So why argue about it during his 1st game? __________________ Last edited by jeff061 : 10-09-2005 at 04:31 PM.

10-09-2005, 04:37 PM	#240
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I'm just about ready to give up on Carr, even with the offensive line. He's just not making good decisions, even when he has time. By now, we should see some "slivers" of greatness. With Carr that seems to be missing. We can get into the "how do we develop a great QB" debate all day. There have been cases where guys have succeeded each way. There have been cases where guys have busted each way. Depends on the player, depends on the situation.

10-09-2005, 05:11 PM	#248
Neuqua Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago, Ill	Who was considered the better prospect in college, Leinart or Palmer? __________________ Our Deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be?

10-09-2005, 05:11 PM	#249
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Houston has problems that drafting Leinhart won't solve. Trade down, get a few good picks and start plugging holes.

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