WW LXXXI Highlander game thread ( D5 deadline 8:00 PM EST) - Page 5

illinifan999 · 09-10-2008, 08:07 AM

I didn't vote for Mrs. S because it looked like she was going to get lynched already, and I don't really feel that NTN is a wolf, so rather than put a tie on someone I don't think is a wolf and possibly have them get lynched, I tried to get a 3rd candidate going.

Narcizo · 09-10-2008, 08:27 AM

I can't really get that to add up. If you thought Mrs S was going to get lynched anyway, what's the point of trying to start up a third candidate. If you're basing your vote on them not having checked in (which is all you've got to go on for either Mrs S or Telle) then I can't see a reason to try and split the no-show vote. Particularly if you feel that NTN isn't a wolf. If you really have any reason to think NTN isn't a wolf (ie have a degree of feeling above the base 75-80% chance he isn't a wolf) then you should be voting for Mrs S to make sure he doesn't get lynched.

illinifan999 · 09-10-2008, 08:41 AM

My degree of feeling that he isn't a wolf is that high. I thought Mrs. S was going to by lynched, so I wanted to vote for a 3rd party and see if that would start up some discussion. I got my wish, and it did, unfortunately I started up the discussion on myself.

jeheinz72 · 09-10-2008, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mustang

No stranger than you randomly picking someone that hasn't checked in

Well, that's the Strangeness I meant actually. Multiple people jabbed at me for doing that strategy, including you and then lo and behold, like 3/4ths of the votes go to people on that list.

Still catching up though, so I have no idea how much I should actually toot toot here.

jeheinz72 · 09-10-2008, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Votes

Mrs S by Barkeep (136)
Illifan by path (124)
NTN by DaddyTorgo (125)
NTN by Narcizo (129) 2-1-1
Mrs S by Heinz (133) 2-2-1
Illifan by Packer (136) 2-2-2
Telle by Mustang (137) 2-2-2-1
NTN by clap (142) 3-2-2-1
Mrs S by NTN (148) 3-3-2-1
Unvote Illi by Path (153) 3-3-1-1
Mrs S by Path (153) 4-3-1-1
Schmidty by Gramm (156) 4-3-1-1-1
Telle by illi (159) 4-3-2-1-1
NTN by Saldana (162) 4-4-2-1-1
Unvote Illi by Packer (165) 4-4-2-1
Vote Mrs S by Packer (165) 5-4-2-1

Which looks good for all of the Mrs S voters barring NTN, but particularly good for Packer and Path. Unless NTN is also bad, in which case I don't think anything can really be read into it. While it's not unheard of for there to be 2 wolf candidates in a day one vote it seems pretty unlikely, so I'll go with the assumption that Path and Packer should get a lot of trust, Heinz a fair bit and Barkeep a bit (it's not unheard of for wolves to cast the first vote on another wolf).

Can't help but feel that clap, Sal and myself come out looking bad from the voting. I made a case for not voting for a no-show early on while all our votes could be construed as save attempts (an early one in my case). Of course there's a chance that the wolves decided fairly early not to make any attempt to save Mrs S. Mustang, illi and Gramm's votes all looked like throwaway votes. While there's the no-shows to consider as well.

I'm curious as to why I only get a fair bit of trust compared to path and PF. I made a solid vote to make it 2-2-1 when I could've gone 3-1-1 or 2-1-1-1. Realistically for the village if one things NTN is villager than I made the ideal vote.

Oh, and the whole fact that I championed the whole voting for non-check-in people in the face of criticism.

jeheinz72 · 09-10-2008, 08:48 AM

Though looking again now I see more of your point. Path and PF made damn gutsy calls breaking ties. Ignore my selfish POV.

Carry on!

claphamsa · 09-10-2008, 08:55 AM

We usually ignore you heinzeie!

(notice usually is spelled right!, yay firefox!)

Narcizo · 09-10-2008, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

I'm curious as to why I only get a fair bit of trust compared to path and PF.

Because of the chess game, a fair bit of trust is all you're ever getting from me.

jeheinz72 · 09-10-2008, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Because of the chess game, a fair bit of trust is all you're ever getting from me.

Haha, that's probably pretty fair.

illinifan999 · 09-10-2008, 10:15 AM

So my car got towed last night. Awesome.

path12 · 09-10-2008, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by illinifan999

My degree of feeling that he isn't a wolf is that high. I thought Mrs. S was going to by lynched, so I wanted to vote for a 3rd party and see if that would start up some discussion. I got my wish, and it did, unfortunately I started up the discussion on myself.

Curious as to why you would have such a feeling about someone on day 1. Could you elaborate?

Lathum · 09-10-2008, 10:18 AM

writeup/ PM's on the way. Just have to take my dog out

jeheinz72 · 09-10-2008, 10:18 AM

That sucks illini

Mustang · 09-10-2008, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Well, that's the Strangeness I meant actually. Multiple people jabbed at me for doing that strategy, including you and then lo and behold, like 3/4ths of the votes go to people on that list.

I know its the strategy in the beginning just because there is nothing else to go off of and I don't particularily like it. I fell victim to it once and had to spend the rest of the game defending myself because I couldn't be around on day 1 because some unforeseen event came up.

Given that, that is why I still voted for Telle. Figured most people were voting that way anyways.

(has to be a more interesting starting point somewhere.. just haven't found it yet since most 1st day kills are either people not checking in or people successful in previous WW games, but that is a discussion for another thread...)

path12 · 09-10-2008, 10:24 AM

I've always used not checking in as a basis for my day 1 vote. But I'm on record as hating day 1's anyhow. I think most times it ends up between two villagers who are parsing too carefully.

Lathum · 09-10-2008, 10:45 AM

you are all enjoying the city of your choice, when subbenly your sight is clouded and your brain fills with powerfull images.

Somewhere there is a dual.

The majestic sight of the golden gate bridge looks like an observer in the background. Suddenly the image comes into focus. Saldana's sword moves with the gracefull flow like water, slashing blows at Telle. She counters his attacks and swoops in. Saldana nimbly steps aside and twirls, the punk tail of his overcaot spinning behind him, almost in slow motion. Telle overbalances and in one swift arc saldanas arm shoots down, his sword not even an extension, almost a pert of him.

The blade slices Telles head off in one swift motion. Purpleish-blue lighting scatters everywhere and absorbs into saldana. He collaps exausted, yet more powerfull looking.

You are all stunned, as you look are Rameriz lying headless on the ground.

jeheinz72 · 09-10-2008, 10:47 AM

Ok, so Saldana killed Telle, and Telle was Ramirez, our bodyguard.

Smooth move Ex-Lax.

DaddyTorgo · 09-10-2008, 10:50 AM

hmm - real quiet

DaddyTorgo · 09-10-2008, 10:51 AM

damnit Sal! you killed the BG!

Lathum · 09-10-2008, 10:57 AM

just as soon as your sight clears another vision appears. This time it is a back alley behing the imposing figure of the abondaned texas stadium.

JeHeinze and Narcizo are locked in a fierce battle. Rain is pouring down as streaks of lighting accent there sword blades.

hmm, you think to yourself. I just checked the Dallas weather, only a 60% chance of rain.

Narcizo takes advantage of a momentery laspe in Heinze's concentration and strikes a blow to the side of his head, heainze stumbles back, dazed.

Narcizo swoops in for the kill but Heinz was faking. Heinze leaps forward, supprisingly quick for a big guy, and thrusts his sword through narcizos stomach. Graps his face and throws him to the ground. Pulls him up by his hair and sends the blade of his sword throug his neck.

As with Saldana, Heinze absorbs lighting all into his body, and seems to grow larger.

Narcizo was a highlander.

illinifan999 · 09-10-2008, 10:57 AM

Well I guess it's a good thing I didn't start a run on Telle at the end then. Was she inactive or did she submit night actions?

Alan T · 09-10-2008, 10:57 AM

So does no PM mean nothing exciting happened, or just not all of the PMs are out yet?

jeheinz72 · 09-10-2008, 10:59 AM

Sorry there Narc old chap

DaddyTorgo · 09-10-2008, 11:01 AM

man we're going to all off each other real quick in this game. i think there can't be more than like 2 wolves because of that. i think even 3 to start might have been too much - so maybe we're down to just one?

Lathum · 09-10-2008, 11:02 AM

Those of you who haven't dueled or survived your duel arrive in New York, same as last week.

You all discuss the duels that you witnessed. Ranirez will be missed, he was a mentor to many of you.

There is a silver lining however, it seems the wolves did not strike.

Day 2 has begun. PM's going out now.

Deadline 8:00 PM EST.

Lathum · 09-10-2008, 11:03 AM

Telle did not submit a night action and her random city chosen put her in the same city as saldana. The circumstanced were right for a duel. Which she lost.

I am posting this info because I don't think it would be fair for saldana to ssuffer the speculation that it may have been a BG block gone wrong.

Lathum · 09-10-2008, 11:05 AM

PM's ging out now

Mustang · 09-10-2008, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

man we're going to all off each other real quick in this game. i think there can't be more than like 2 wolves because of that. i think even 3 to start might have been too much - so maybe we're down to just one?

Kind of what I was starting to wonder. Not sure of the non wolf kill.

Either -

A. A name wasn't submitted
B. Wolfs can't kill when engaged in a duel
C. Ramirez blocked it
D. Wolfs can only kill when in the same city as their intended victim

Mustang · 09-10-2008, 11:07 AM

Was posting before Lathum posted his comments.

Kinda rules out my C option

path12 · 09-10-2008, 11:09 AM

So......sounds like Heinz and saldana are more powerful now? Anything you guys would like to share? Was there some enhancement to your abilities?

DaddyTorgo · 09-10-2008, 11:19 AM

i bet saldana is fuckin whomp-ass powerful

PackerFanatic · 09-10-2008, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mustang

Kind of what I was starting to wonder. Not sure of the non wolf kill.

Either -

A. A name wasn't submitted
B. Wolfs can't kill when engaged in a duel
C. Ramirez blocked it
D. Wolfs can only kill when in the same city as their intended victim

It sounds like D might be the best option here.

jeheinz72 · 09-10-2008, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12

So......sounds like Heinz and saldana are more powerful now? Anything you guys would like to share? Was there some enhancement to your abilities?

Nothing major really. I just got his power points. Though I'd rather not divulge how many I used or absorbed for obvious reasons.

jeheinz72 · 09-10-2008, 11:29 AM

Lathum - Can there be multiple duels in the same city?

jeheinz72 · 09-10-2008, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mustang

Kind of what I was starting to wonder. Not sure of the non wolf kill.

Either -

A. A name wasn't submitted
B. Wolfs can't kill when engaged in a duel
C. Ramirez blocked it
D. Wolfs can only kill when in the same city as their intended victim

I'd also add E. There is some sort of cap on kills per night

Frankly that was my thought going into the night, that there has to be some sort of preventative measure against something like 5 villager deaths in the same night.

Lathum · 09-10-2008, 11:32 AM

all PM's are out

jeheinz72 · 09-10-2008, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Lathum - Can there be multiple duels in the same city?

Reason I ask this, is because maybe (and it'd be tricky) we rig the locations of everyone each night. I don't know if it's in the villages best interest to have all of these duels where we lose people ala Telle our BG and Narc, a strong player.

We could send one person each to 8 cities and then have our least trusted folks all head to the 9th city and let God sort 'em out. We'd get the benefit of a wolf possibly losing a duel and we'd possibly minimize our self-carnage.

claphamsa · 09-10-2008, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Nothing major really. I just got his power points. Though I'd rather not divulge how many I used or absorbed for obvious reasons.

you started with 30 and got his 30...its in the rules :P

jeheinz72 · 09-10-2008, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by claphamsa

you started with 30 and got his 30...its in the rules :P

But I used some as well in order to win the duel, as did he to participate in it.

So I'm at 30 minus what I used plus what he didn't use.

claphamsa · 09-10-2008, 11:45 AM

hmmmm, rereading the rules....

Lathum · 09-10-2008, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Lathum - Can there be multiple duels in the same city?

no, not until the end

claphamsa · 09-10-2008, 11:46 AM

it appears this follows..... did you lose the points you used? or just the points amount he used +1?

DaddyTorgo · 09-10-2008, 11:46 AM

yeah - he's right claphamsa.

Lathum · 09-10-2008, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by claphamsa

you started with 30 and got his 30...its in the rules :P

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

But I used some as well in order to win the duel, as did he to participate in it.

So I'm at 30 minus what I used plus what he didn't use.

Quote:

Originally Posted by claphamsa

hmmmm, rereading the rules....

this made me laugh

jeheinz72 · 09-10-2008, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by claphamsa

it appears this follows..... did you lose the points you used? or just the points amount he used +1?

I don't know, I just get my new total, not a ledger of it.

claphamsa · 09-10-2008, 11:51 AM

Note, too self... do not use all 30 again tonight

Mrs. Schmidty · 09-10-2008, 11:52 AM

I thought I would make a quick post as to explain my inactivity. I apologized already to Lathum and my fellow wolfies, but just so the group knows, our daughter was pretty sick over the weekend and into yesterday - running a high fever and such. I was pretty focused on her and also working late and going in early, so honestly, I flaked. Sorry to my fellow WWers. I usually am a nighttime poster, but not inactive in votes and night action etc.
Hope to see you guys next game!

jeheinz72 · 09-10-2008, 11:55 AM

It happens Mrs. S, I hope your daughter is feeling better!

path12 · 09-10-2008, 11:55 AM

No worries, Mrs. S. I'm just glad we caught you early!

Mustang · 09-10-2008, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

It sounds like D might be the best option here.

That was my least likely option given the # of cities. If you have 5 people left and 1 wolf, makes it harder on the wolf to win actually.

I'd agree with the option E though (cap limit). With 15 people (I think it was 15 people left last night), you have the potential for 7 duels which would be alot.

09-10-2008, 08:07 AM	#201
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	I didn't vote for Mrs. S because it looked like she was going to get lynched already, and I don't really feel that NTN is a wolf, so rather than put a tie on someone I don't think is a wolf and possibly have them get lynched, I tried to get a 3rd candidate going. __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

09-10-2008, 08:41 AM	#203
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	My degree of feeling that he isn't a wolf is that high. I thought Mrs. S was going to by lynched, so I wanted to vote for a 3rd party and see if that would start up some discussion. I got my wish, and it did, unfortunately I started up the discussion on myself. __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

09-10-2008, 08:55 AM	#207
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	We usually ignore you heinzeie! (notice usually is spelled right!, yay firefox!) __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

09-10-2008, 10:15 AM	#210
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	So my car got towed last night. Awesome. __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

09-10-2008, 10:24 AM	#215
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	I've always used not checking in as a basis for my day 1 vote. But I'm on record as hating day 1's anyhow. I think most times it ends up between two villagers who are parsing too carefully. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

09-10-2008, 08:27 AM	#202
Narcizo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006	I can't really get that to add up. If you thought Mrs S was going to get lynched anyway, what's the point of trying to start up a third candidate. If you're basing your vote on them not having checked in (which is all you've got to go on for either Mrs S or Telle) then I can't see a reason to try and split the no-show vote. Particularly if you feel that NTN isn't a wolf. If you really have any reason to think NTN isn't a wolf (ie have a degree of feeling above the base 75-80% chance he isn't a wolf) then you should be voting for Mrs S to make sure he doesn't get lynched.

09-10-2008, 10:18 AM	#212
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	writeup/ PM's on the way. Just have to take my dog out

09-10-2008, 10:45 AM	#216
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	you are all enjoying the city of your choice, when subbenly your sight is clouded and your brain fills with powerfull images. Somewhere there is a dual. The majestic sight of the golden gate bridge looks like an observer in the background. Suddenly the image comes into focus. Saldana's sword moves with the gracefull flow like water, slashing blows at Telle. She counters his attacks and swoops in. Saldana nimbly steps aside and twirls, the punk tail of his overcaot spinning behind him, almost in slow motion. Telle overbalances and in one swift arc saldanas arm shoots down, his sword not even an extension, almost a pert of him. The blade slices Telles head off in one swift motion. Purpleish-blue lighting scatters everywhere and absorbs into saldana. He collaps exausted, yet more powerfull looking. You are all stunned, as you look are Rameriz lying headless on the ground.

09-10-2008, 10:50 AM	#218
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	hmm - real quiet

09-10-2008, 10:51 AM	#219
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	damnit Sal! you killed the BG!

09-10-2008, 10:57 AM	#220
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	just as soon as your sight clears another vision appears. This time it is a back alley behing the imposing figure of the abondaned texas stadium. JeHeinze and Narcizo are locked in a fierce battle. Rain is pouring down as streaks of lighting accent there sword blades. hmm, you think to yourself. I just checked the Dallas weather, only a 60% chance of rain. Narcizo takes advantage of a momentery laspe in Heinze's concentration and strikes a blow to the side of his head, heainze stumbles back, dazed. Narcizo swoops in for the kill but Heinz was faking. Heinze leaps forward, supprisingly quick for a big guy, and thrusts his sword through narcizos stomach. Graps his face and throws him to the ground. Pulls him up by his hair and sends the blade of his sword throug his neck. As with Saldana, Heinze absorbs lighting all into his body, and seems to grow larger. Narcizo was a highlander.

09-10-2008, 10:57 AM	#221
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	Well I guess it's a good thing I didn't start a run on Telle at the end then. Was she inactive or did she submit night actions? __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

09-10-2008, 10:57 AM	#222
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	So does no PM mean nothing exciting happened, or just not all of the PMs are out yet? __________________ Couch to ??k - From the couch to a Marathon in roughly 18 months.

09-10-2008, 11:01 AM	#224
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	man we're going to all off each other real quick in this game. i think there can't be more than like 2 wolves because of that. i think even 3 to start might have been too much - so maybe we're down to just one?

09-10-2008, 11:02 AM	#225
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Those of you who haven't dueled or survived your duel arrive in New York, same as last week. You all discuss the duels that you witnessed. Ranirez will be missed, he was a mentor to many of you. There is a silver lining however, it seems the wolves did not strike. Day 2 has begun. PM's going out now. Deadline 8:00 PM EST.

09-10-2008, 11:03 AM	#226
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Telle did not submit a night action and her random city chosen put her in the same city as saldana. The circumstanced were right for a duel. Which she lost. I am posting this info because I don't think it would be fair for saldana to ssuffer the speculation that it may have been a BG block gone wrong.

09-10-2008, 11:05 AM	#227
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	PM's ging out now

09-10-2008, 11:07 AM	#229
Mustang Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Wisconsin	Was posting before Lathum posted his comments. Kinda rules out my C option __________________ You, you will regret what you have done this day. I will make you regret ever being born. Your going to wish you never left your mothers womb, where it was warm and safe... and wet. i am going to show you pain you never knew existed, you are going to see a whole new spectrum of pain, like a Rainboooow. But! This rainbow is not just like any other rainbow, its...

09-10-2008, 11:09 AM	#230
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	So......sounds like Heinz and saldana are more powerful now? Anything you guys would like to share? Was there some enhancement to your abilities? __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

09-10-2008, 11:19 AM	#231
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	i bet saldana is fuckin whomp-ass powerful

09-10-2008, 11:32 AM	#236
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	all PM's are out

09-10-2008, 11:45 AM	#240
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	hmmmm, rereading the rules.... __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

09-10-2008, 11:46 AM	#242
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	it appears this follows..... did you lose the points you used? or just the points amount he used +1? __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

09-10-2008, 11:46 AM	#243
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	yeah - he's right claphamsa.

09-10-2008, 11:51 AM	#246
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	Note, too self... do not use all 30 again tonight __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

09-10-2008, 11:52 AM	#247
Mrs. Schmidty High School Varsity Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Bellingham, WA	I thought I would make a quick post as to explain my inactivity. I apologized already to Lathum and my fellow wolfies, but just so the group knows, our daughter was pretty sick over the weekend and into yesterday - running a high fever and such. I was pretty focused on her and also working late and going in early, so honestly, I flaked. Sorry to my fellow WWers. I usually am a nighttime poster, but not inactive in votes and night action etc. Hope to see you guys next game!

09-10-2008, 11:55 AM	#249
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	No worries, Mrs. S. I'm just glad we caught you early! __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

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