Console Discussion/E3/Tokyo Game Show Thread

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

We don't know yet. Are you assuming the Kinect 2 is as good as the PS Eye 2?

We have not see the full features of both products, so it's awfully premature to make an assumption either way. What we do know is that the PS Eye 2 now uses the same technology as Kinect 2, so it's an apples to apples comparison. We also know that there's a difference of $40 between the two products.

When I think of a 5-7 year gaming device, who cares? Sony's move controller isn't even in the same ballpark as the kinect.

Quit basing your posts on "assumptions" will you?

We get it, you wear Sony on your sleeve, who cares?

[Fidatelo]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Agree with you Sack. Here's one: What if you take your console and some games on vacation and don't have an available internet connection where you end up? You're fucked.

That's just stupid by MS.

This exactly. My friends and I have always gathered for a 'guys weekend' every year to play games (video, card, board, whatever). Usually we do this at a cottage, which doesn't have internet. One weekend a year might not be an entire reason to discount a system, but it's one of my favorite weekends of the year and it does factor in.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Fidatelo

This exactly. My friends and I have always gathered for a 'guys weekend' every year to play games (video, card, board, whatever). Usually we do this at a cottage, which doesn't have internet. One weekend a year might not be an entire reason to discount a system, but it's one of my favorite weekends of the year and it does factor in.

You have internet in Manitoba?

Do they mount the towers on the backs of moose?

[Izulde]

Steam's Offline mode has been great for when I'm in area where I don't have Internet access. (Doesn't happen often - maybe a few days a year, but it's still enough).

Though it's not always obvious at first how to run Steam in offline mode, which is why people are confused sometimes, I think.

[Mota]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

That's worth exploring right there. Say what you will about Microsoft's business approach and strategies -- and I could say plenty -- but they do seem to be on a streak of misjudging. Now I'm sure that the executives with day-to-day control of Windows and Xbox are completely different people, but it could very well be a cultural approach undermining the company.

Microsoft is now a devices and services company. They are no longer a software company. They will sell you the Surface, or the Xbox One, and then their goal is to sell you services like Xbox Live, DLC, or licences to play games. They are no longer just trying to sell you a boxed game and leave it at that.

It's just like Microsoft Office, this year they had a boxed product that had nothing but a product code in it to download Office. And they had an Office subscription, where you pay $99 a year to use MS Office.

The entire culture of the company has changed, and we're seeing it on the Xbox side for sure.

I do hope that they see the error of their ways as they are being treated as the laughing stock of the industry right now. When SONY of all companies can mock you for your customer unfriendly policies, you know you're moving in the wrong direction.

[Neon_Chaos]

Gamers Without Internet Can Stick With Xbox 360, Says Microsoft - IGN

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Gamers Without Internet Can Stick With Xbox 360, Says Microsoft - IGN

“"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity; it’s called Xbox 360,” said Mattrick.

[Kodos]

I've been without power for around a week twice in the past 2 years, thanks to hurricanes. Plus, we usually have an extended outage or two each winter. So the 24-hr check-in is a big deal to me.

PS4 is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay in the lead right now.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Kodos

I've been without power for around a week twice in the past 2 years, thanks to hurricanes.

Umm ... how are you gonna get the PS4 to work in that scenario?

*I'm way the hell over MS at this point, but the question did sorta seem to be necessary

[heybrad]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Umm ... how are you gonna get the PS4 to work in that scenario?

*I'm way the hell over MS at this point, but the question did sorta seem to be necessary

YOU MEAN THEY HAVE TO POWER?!?!? F that... I'm out.

[spleen1015]

hey brad

[mckerney]

It'll still be a while before I decide but I'm still leading towards the PS4. There was nothing earth shattering in terms of exclusives at E3, but inFAMOUS: Second Son and The Order look more interesting to me at this point than Dead Rising 3 and Quantum Break. The PS3 had the best exclusive lineup this gen by far so it's an area where Microsoft will have to catch up next gen to get my interest.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Umm ... how are you gonna get the PS4 to work in that scenario?

*I'm way the hell over MS at this point, but the question did sorta seem to be necessary

For the record, we had a power outage in 2003 from an ice storm for 4 days. We had a constant fire in the fireplace and had a generator running to power the refrigerator, TV, and an old Genesis console that I had. It was awesome.

[spleen1015]

I can see the look on my wife's face when I tell her I am going to use the generator to play games on the PS4. That will go over really well.

[Alan T]

I remember back in college, Hurricane Opal ran through Georgia and knocked out our power for a good 4-5 days. We used our generator pretty much for only two things: 1) Microwave to make our ramen noodles 2) Nintendo+TV to play Madden.

We had some of the best Madden tournaments that week.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

I can see the look on my wife's face when I tell her I am going to use the generator to play games on the PS4. That will go over really well.

Yeah, I had a more advanced system at the time, but I used the Genesis hoping that the power usage might not be quite as much. At least that was the theory.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Umm ... how are you gonna get the PS4 to work in that scenario?

*I'm way the hell over MS at this point, but the question did sorta seem to be necessary

Yeah, but isn't there some sort of penalty if your Xbox doesn't check in? Someone up the thread was saying you lose the ability to play some games if that happens? Maybe I misunderstood something that was said?

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Yeah, but isn't there some sort of penalty if your Xbox doesn't check in? Someone up the thread was saying you lose the ability to play some games if that happens? Maybe I misunderstood something that was said?

The PS4 also requires a check in of the power outlet. If it doesn't have a constant uninterrupted connection you lose the ability to play your games.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Yeah, but isn't there some sort of penalty if your Xbox doesn't check in? Someone up the thread was saying you lose the ability to play some games if that happens? Maybe I misunderstood something that was said?

No, it will just do the check the next time you powered it on and connected.

[Matthean]

[dubb93]

I'm buying neither at launch.

Assuming everything stays as it is now I will buy the PS4 at some point down the road. Microsoft blew it with me on the last gen. They killed it at the start, I was all about Microsoft. As the generation went on, Sony killed them with exclusives. Then Microsoft added paid adds to the dashboard. At this point I trust Sony more than I do Microsoft and they will have my business when I do eventually buy one unless something drastically changes.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Looks like we got our answer on Japan for the X1. No support at launch. Surprised at how many places they're simply giving away by not supporting at launch. Worldwide sales are going to be a bloodbath. Sony's going to get a large overall market share.

Xbox One will support Live in these countries at launch | Joystiq

[SackAttack]

To be fair the market share they're surrendering in Japan is miniscule. Like, almost non-existent. They haven't had enough of a footprint there to really call it giving anything away.

The article didn't give much information, but that sounds to me like "these are the countries we're going to launch in first." Selling Xbox Ones in countries that won't have Live would...not end well.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

To be fair the market share they're surrendering in Japan is miniscule. Like, almost non-existent. They haven't had enough of a footprint there to really call it giving anything away.

The article didn't give much information, but that sounds to me like "these are the countries we're going to launch in first." Selling Xbox Ones in countries that won't have Live would...not end well.

The problem is that if you're not in a given country this fall, there's a good chance the PS4 is all but going to monopolize that country/territory. If they're launching late, I wouldn't be shocked at all if they didn't launch at all in those areas if things don't go well this fall.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

The problem is that if you're not in a given country this fall, there's a good chance the PS4 is all but going to monopolize that country/territory. If they're launching late, I wouldn't be shocked at all if they didn't launch at all in those areas if things don't go well this fall.

As far as Japan goes the PS4 was already going to monopolize the home console market compared to the XBone.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

The problem is that if you're not in a given country this fall, there's a good chance the PS4 is all but going to monopolize that country/territory. If they're launching late, I wouldn't be shocked at all if they didn't launch at all in those areas if things don't go well this fall.

Let's be honest. I have a better chance of getting woken up by head from Kate Upton than Microsoft ever had of having more than the most marginal market share in Japan. If they ever do launch Xbox One there, they're likely to do about as well launching there in 2014 as they would launching in 2013. There will be the handful of Japanese gamers who love Western games who will buy an Xbox One and the rest will continue to give none of the fucks.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

Let's be honest. I have a better chance of getting woken up by head from Kate Upton than Microsoft ever had of having more than the most marginal market share in Japan. If they ever do launch Xbox One there, they're likely to do about as well launching there in 2014 as they would launching in 2013. There will be the handful of Japanese gamers who love Western games who will buy an Xbox One and the rest will continue to give none of the fucks.

Looking at how the 360 did in Japan, it launched before the PS3 but still failed to sell out in most retailers. The 360 accounts for less than 10% of home consoles sold for the current generation and most stores either stopped carrying it or scaled it way back in 2011. Then during a holiday week earlier this year the 360 accounted for 1% of software sales and 0% of hardware sales.

Microsoft is really not missing much by not launching in Japan while they do the rest of the world, the PS4 and Wii U are going to dominate the country no matter what.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

You realize Steam has an offline mode, right? As in, you activate on installation and then don't have to be online to play the game aftewards if you don't want to?

If Microsoft were adopting a Steam model, I doubt the hue and cry would be as loud as it is. They aren't, though. They're requiring the console to check in every 24 hours or you can't play your games. Period.

I always had issues with offline mode. Had to like delete some file and re-boot. Plus a lot of the newer games require you to be online anyway.

I'm sure there are situations where a storm hits the area and I'd be able to power my console via a gas generator for a day that can happen. But I'll probably just read a book if it comes to that. My console has been hooked up to the internet for 7 years without a problem.

Now I'm sure a heavy traveler or someone who can't get internet would turn this console down, but those aren't the people complaining online. Out of all the factors you put into making a decision, I just think this will fall really far down for most people.

[RainMaker]

Is there a list of exclusives for each system?

[Glengoyne]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

I can see the look on my wife's face when I tell her I am going to use the generator to play games on the PS4. That will go over really well.

Well the power is out. So it is either video games on the generator or ....sex. She can pick.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Is there a list of exclusives for each system?

Here are the currently announced exclusives.

XBox One
RYSE: Son of Rome
Dead Rising 3
Quantum Break
Sunset Overdrive
Forza 5
Crimson Dragon
Killer Instinct
Kinect Sports Rivals
Halo
Below
D4
PowerStar Golf

PS4
The Order: 1886
Knack
inFAMOUS: Second Son
Killzone: Shadow Fall
DriveClub
Possible PS4 Exclusives
Secret Ponchos
Tiny Brain

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by cartman

No, it will just do the check the next time you powered it on and connected.

Oh, okay. I thought people were saying games would be disabled permanently. Which made little sense.

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Gamers Without Internet Can Stick With Xbox 360, Says Microsoft - IGN

Robbie Bach he is not

[SackAttack]

Nintendo's Miyamoto chiming in on the idea of ownership versus licensing.

Originally Posted by Sigeru Miyamoto

As a consumer you want to be able to keep those things for a long time and have those things from your youth that you can go back to and experience again. I really want to retain that product nature of the games that we create so that people can do that and have that experience. To me that's something that's very important about entertainment itself. So from the approach of continuing to create things that are entertaining for people, that's an important direction for me that I want to maintain.

[spleen1015]

Nintendo gets the customer appreciation aspect of it.

[Fidatelo]

I think it's a valid point. I still have a bunch of my old consoles. My kids have been having a great time playing Super Mario Sunshine on my GameCube over the last few months, and Diddy Kong Racing on my N64. I don't think parents will be able to say the same for their XBOne's in 15 years, which is a shame.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by Fidatelo

I think it's a valid point. I still have a bunch of my old consoles. My kids have been having a great time playing Super Mario Sunshine on my GameCube over the last few months, and Diddy Kong Racing on my N64. I don't think parents will be able to say the same for their XBOne's in 15 years, which is a shame.

And that's exactly my biggest objection to the Xbox One, the reason why I've been converted from somebody who owns upwards of 100 games for each of Microsoft's first two consoles to somebody for whom Xbox One is a complete and total nonstarter.

The legacy console aspect isn't my only objection to Xbox One, but it is my biggest objection, and a point I consider non-negotiable.

[spleen1015]

I think I'm like most of you guys at this point and I'm likely starting with the PS4. I didn't think I was going to worry too much about the next gen consoles, but I don't think that is the case anymore.

I am considering taking my 360 console, controllers & games and trading them in and putting the credit towards a PS4. Then I will just play on the PS3 until the PS4 comes out.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I'm not a huge IGN fan, but I've been listening to quite a few podcasts over the course of E3 and found a great interview. The IGN crew interviewed Shuhei Yoshida, President of the PS division of Sony. He was very frank with most of his comments and gave some great insight into the preparations for this conference. He also talks about keeping development groups fresh to avoid burnout. Big fan of Nintendo as well. He owns two Wii's and two WiiU's.

E3 2013: Podcast Beyond, DualShock 4, and Shuhei Yoshida - IGN

[Icy]

For me it's PS4 for the same reason that is was PS3, NO REGION LOCK so i can import and play USA sports games that are not for sale in Spain (NFL, NCAA, MLB the show, NHL).

I bought a 360 at launch, but as soon as i saw i couldn't import games, i sold it and bought a Ps3.

Find pretty stupid that working with the same 3rd parties (EA in this case) MS decides to do region lock while PS3 doesn't, I would love to hear an explanation of why.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by Icy

For me it's PS4 for the same reason that is was PS3, NO REGION LOCK so i can import and play USA sports games that are not for sale in Spain (NFL, NCAA, MLB the show, NHL).

I bought a 360 at launch, but as soon as i saw i couldn't import games, i sold it and bought a Ps3.

Find pretty stupid that working with the same 3rd parties (EA in this case) MS decides to do region lock while PS3 doesn't, I would love to hear an explanation of why.

I saw that due to it being region free people in Australia are able to save about $100 by ordering a PS4 from Amazon in the US since Amazon will ship it for $15. There may be issues with the Bluray player not being region free and warranty claims being difficult though.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Looks like we got our answer on Japan for the X1. No support at launch. Surprised at how many places they're simply giving away by not supporting at launch. Worldwide sales are going to be a bloodbath. Sony's going to get a large overall market share.

Xbox One will support Live in these countries at launch | Joystiq

PS4 Japan Launch Date Still to be Determined - News (PS4)

Sony says the fall launch is only for US and Europe right now any may not launch elsewhere next year. So alright, let's hear it about how Sony is bungling this launch and blowing market share by allowing for the possibility of Microsoft launching in Japan first.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by mckerney

PS4 Japan Launch Date Still to be Determined - News (PS4)

Sony says the fall launch is only for US and Europe right now any may not launch elsewhere next year. So alright, let's hear it about how Sony is bungling this launch and blowing market share by allowing for the possibility of Microsoft launching in Japan first.

Truth here. Couldn't have said it better. They're missing a golden opportunity to bury MS if they don't get it released in Japan this fall. I suppose one could argue that they're only going to have so many units and want to maximize in areas where they have competition, but that's not going to endear them to the Japanese in any way.

[cartman]

lol

[cartman]

(MBBF Mode)
Looks like the PR coup by Sony is coming to an end. The ugly truth is starting to leak out. I wonder just how many more stories like this are going to be coming out before the launch...........................................
(/MBBF Mode)

What do you mean WHY is Sony PS4 so pricey in Oz? • The Register

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by cartman

(MBBF Mode)
Looks like the PR coup by Sony is coming to an end. The ugly truth is starting to leak out. I wonder just how many more stories like this are going to be coming out before the launch...........................................
(/MBBF Mode)

What do you mean WHY is Sony PS4 so pricey in Oz? • The Register

This is interesting ... except for the whole "I don't really give a fuck what they charge anybody outside the U.S." (no more than people outside the U.S. give a fuck what they charge me)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

This is interesting ... except for the whole "I don't really give a fuck what they charge anybody outside the U.S." (no more than people outside the U.S. give a fuck what they charge me)

If it was just the PS4, it would be a story. But that's just the way it is in Australia across the board. It's no different than posting a story asking why gas is double the price in the UK that it is here in the U.S. It's just the way it is. All markets are different.

[sabotai]

I haven't really been too into video games lately. In fact, I'd say at least 75% of my gaming is playing Paradox games and Skyrim (PC version). So when it comes to PS4 vs. XB1, I'm not getting too excited about either. Given the prices though, and that PS4 doesn't come with any strings attached, that seems like the clear winner.

Plus, I haven't played any of the PS3 exclusive series like MLB The Show, and I haven't played Gran Turismo since GT2 on the PS2. Forza has gotten a bit stale for me so going back to Gran Turismo will be a nice change, and MLB The Show will be a nice change for MLB 2K which I've gotten bored with as well. All in all, 99% of the games I want to play will likely come out on both consoles, so price and "ease of use" is pretty much the only things I care about.

[Ryan S]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

If it was just the PS4, it would be a story. But that's just the way it is in Australia across the board.

Almost everything is hugely overpriced in Australia. When I was over there a few years back, PS3 and Xbox games were around $120, and at that time the US $ and AUS $ were worth the same.

Hell, if I look at Steam Australia right now, Football Manager 2013 is US$80 compared to $40 in the US.

I hate the fact that Sony and Microsoft are screwing Australian and EU customers with big price differentials, but they have done it for every console generation, and will probably keep doing it as long as they can get away with it.

[Ryan S]

Originally Posted by mckerney

Sony says the fall launch is only for US and Europe right now any may not launch elsewhere next year. So alright, let's hear it about how Sony is bungling this launch and blowing market share by allowing for the possibility of Microsoft launching in Japan first.

My assumption is that Sony may be watching what Microsoft are doing in Asia. If there is any truth to the story posted earlier this week about Microsoft delaying the launch of the Xbox One in Asia until late 2014, releasing the PS4 in Japan after the holiday season may not harm them.

Microsoft Plots 2014 Launch for Xbox One in Asia - Digits - WSJ

If they don't need to worry about the Asian market this year, Sony hopefully can avoid bad press from stock shortages (though I bet they still occur).

We shall see. I can't believe that Microsoft will wait a whole year before launching in Asia, and I can't believe that Sony would let Microsoft beat them to the market in their home turf.