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Old 03-17-2018, 01:56 PM   #201
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Seems like a trade that the Jets would want to have in their pocket based on who would be available at 3. Strange to make it now.
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Old 03-17-2018, 02:18 PM   #202
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I also wonder what kind of offers the Giants are getting right now.
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Old 03-17-2018, 02:37 PM   #203
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Seems like a trade that the Jets would want to have in their pocket based on who would be available at 3. Strange to make it now.

Agree. If I was a Jets fan I'd be terrified that they did this simply because they like three QBs more or less equally enough for it not to matter who goes off the board 1-2.
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Old 03-17-2018, 03:10 PM   #204
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Agree. If I was a Jets fan I'd be terrified that they did this simply because they like three QBs more or less equally enough for it not to matter who goes off the board 1-2.

Why would that terrify a Jets fan?
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Old 03-17-2018, 03:56 PM   #205
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I'm guessing Josh Rosen is either playing in New York or Denver?
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Old 03-17-2018, 05:27 PM   #206
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Seems like a trade that the Jets would want to have in their pocket based on who would be available at 3. Strange to make it now.

Yeah, and I feel the same for the Colts. If they can get this today what could they get if two QBs go 1 and 2? I would think this offer is closer to the floor than the ceiling.
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Old 03-17-2018, 07:36 PM   #207
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Yeah, and I feel the same for the Colts. If they can get this today what could they get if two QBs go 1 and 2? I would think this offer is closer to the floor than the ceiling.

What if QBs don't go in the first couple picks? What if the Jets were making similiar offers with the Browns or Giants? Colts GM Ballard wants to get one of the top talents of this draft and picking at 6 still allows them to do this. He stated that there was player they were targeting at 3 and should still be able to get him at 6 (of course he left the door open for trading back again).

Yeah like Oskar Schindler Colts fans will ask if they could've got more (imagine if the Jets flip the pick for a better value) but this trade only improved the position of the Colts.
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Old 03-19-2018, 08:47 AM   #208
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Why would that terrify a Jets fan?

I think it's an indicator of bad scouting if they're at a point where they can confidently say that they are willing to give up that package for any one of three potential guys, especially with more than a month of work to be done before the draft. "Any of these three are good enough." Really, with this class? Two years after taking Christian Hackenberg in the 2nd round and being such a horrible pick that he never got a meaningful snap, and you're trusting your judgment that quickly?

I think good teams can distinguish their preferences for players, and rightly or wrongly (to be revealed down the road), act accordingly. If the Jets moved up to #1 because they thought Darnold was the clear top QB, I'd support that move. If on draft night, they saw Darnold go #1 and Allen go #2 (who they ranked behind Rosen) and wanted to pounce on Rosen at #3, again, all the sense in the world to do that.
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Old 03-19-2018, 02:09 PM   #209
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I think it's an indicator of bad scouting if they're at a point where they can confidently say that they are willing to give up that package for any one of three potential guys, especially with more than a month of work to be done before the draft. "Any of these three are good enough." Really, with this class? Two years after taking Christian Hackenberg in the 2nd round and being such a horrible pick that he never got a meaningful snap, and you're trusting your judgment that quickly?

I think good teams can distinguish their preferences for players, and rightly or wrongly (to be revealed down the road), act accordingly. If the Jets moved up to #1 because they thought Darnold was the clear top QB, I'd support that move. If on draft night, they saw Darnold go #1 and Allen go #2 (who they ranked behind Rosen) and wanted to pounce on Rosen at #3, again, all the sense in the world to do that.
But it's not a vacuum and there are other teams who may have moved up. And maybe it's just an indicator they know how bad they are at scouting QB's, so they figure it doesn't matter which of the consensus top 3 guys they get, as long as they can plausibly tell their fans they drafted a potential franchise QB. Alternatively, it is the Jets, so until the pick is in I'm not 100% convinced they will draft a QB & not another defensive player.

Patriots added another solid DL in Adrian Clayborn, I like that. Jeremy Hill? Don't really care, but he'll probably be a trendy late round fantasy pick or have a big game or two and be a huge waiver wire pickup at some point. The talent level and running style is similar to Steven Ridley and Lagarrette Blount.

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Old 03-19-2018, 02:38 PM   #210
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Jeremy Hill? Don't really care, but he'll probably be a trendy late round fantasy pick or have a big game or two and be a huge waiver wire pickup at some point. The talent level and running style is similar to Steven Ridley and Lagarrette Blount.

Heh. Don't know how Vegas could actually make the bet, but if there were a prop for "Belichick will make Hill inactive for 12 games, but he will have 35 carries for 250 yards in a random Thursday night game against the Bills in week 7 and then never be heard from again," I would take it. Classic Pats.
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Old 03-19-2018, 03:01 PM   #211
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Can also amend that to a "3 carry, 5 yard, 3 TD" game and probably hit as well.
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Old 03-19-2018, 05:47 PM   #212
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Old 03-19-2018, 07:00 PM   #213
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Just saw this on twitter. The cap numbers for Muhammad Wilkerson ($3.6 Mil) and Jimmy Graham ($5.67 mil) combined are less than what they would be paying Jordy Nelson ($10.25). With that context, I think the moves were a no brainer. Graham gives atleast what Nelson did in the red zone and Wilkerson is a pretty big upgrade over Dean Lowry.
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Old 03-19-2018, 11:46 PM   #214
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https://www.stampedeblue.com/2018/3/...to-2-year-deal

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Old 03-20-2018, 06:04 AM   #215
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But it's not a vacuum and there are other teams who may have moved up. And maybe it's just an indicator they know how bad they are at scouting QB's, so they figure it doesn't matter which of the consensus top 3 guys they get, as long as they can plausibly tell their fans they drafted a potential franchise QB. Alternatively, it is the Jets, so until the pick is in I'm not 100% convinced they will draft a QB & not another defensive player.

Sounds pretty damn terrifying!
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Old 03-20-2018, 11:12 AM   #216
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Old 03-20-2018, 12:58 PM   #217
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Pulling this part out specifically since it was kinda discussed before:

Just wait til they unveil the details of the beer tents.
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Old 03-20-2018, 03:50 PM   #218
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Jaguars are finally doing something sensible and making sure Bortles has nobody to throw to.
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Old 03-20-2018, 06:37 PM   #219
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Jaguars are finally doing something sensible and making sure Bortles has nobody to throw to.

The Jags have a 10 million dollar receiver in Donte Moncrief!
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Old 03-20-2018, 06:49 PM   #220
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There really are some baffling deals this FA period. There’s no way you can’t find a Moncrief or a Sammy Watkins in the first few rounds of the draft. And that’s before looking at what the Niners dropped on McKinnon, which is the worst of the lot.
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Old 03-20-2018, 08:30 PM   #221
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A lot of hate on McKinnon, but seems like a good deal. The cap hit is like 10M this season and then goes down sharply with basically no dead money in years 3 and 4. He caught almost 50 passes with a fairly mediocre QB and conservative game plan, and also ran for 500 yards in committee. I'm not sure there were any better RBs on the market and not sure what RBs they can get in the draft that are comparable.

Look at my pitiful Jets. They signed a pair of starting QBs to 10M deals each, have 2 drafted QBs on the roster, and just overpaid to move to #3 where they will undoubtedly secure their position as fools and draft Baker Mayfield. I Guess I should be happy that Manziel was not available.
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Old 03-20-2018, 09:21 PM   #222
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A lot of hate on McKinnon, but seems like a good deal. The cap hit is like 10M this season and then goes down sharply with basically no dead money in years 3 and 4. He caught almost 50 passes with a fairly mediocre QB and conservative game plan, and also ran for 500 yards in committee. I'm not sure there were any better RBs on the market and not sure what RBs they can get in the draft that are comparable.

Look at my pitiful Jets. They signed a pair of starting QBs to 10M deals each, have 2 drafted QBs on the roster, and just overpaid to move to #3 where they will undoubtedly secure their position as fools and draft Baker Mayfield. I Guess I should be happy that Manziel was not available.

Yeah its actually not that bad for the 49ers. It is a big overpay, and would be bad for most teams, but they had so much room that giving him 10 mil for this season isn't too bad. And his cap hit is only 4m next season.

The Moncrief signing makes less sense. He's worse than Hurns.

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Old 03-20-2018, 10:49 PM   #223
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Bills WR Zay Jones arrested after naked, bloody fight

The video can be found easily enough if you search for it. I would hate to be the guy who has to clean up all the blood.
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Old 03-20-2018, 11:21 PM   #224
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Not a feel good story, but if there are DNA samples that only match Coleman's friend, and there is video of the plaintiff being assaulted by Coleman's friend and hit twice by his brother, and the plaintiff only remembers the NFL player being involved after the criminal trial ended in a hung jury and he's filing a civil suit...
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Old 03-21-2018, 03:44 PM   #226
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so what you think about this reinterpretting a catch stuff?

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-reveals...180049381.html

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Old 03-21-2018, 03:56 PM   #227
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I like it, it’s simple. Although not sure exactly what the ‘ability to do so’ is about?
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Old 03-21-2018, 04:00 PM   #228
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The football move part is still going to cause problems, although fewer than the current rule.
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Old 03-21-2018, 04:01 PM   #229
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Re: The McKinnon deal. I think he is an outstanding fit for Shanahan's system and should pair nicely with their UDFA find from last season Breida. I think he is going to try and recreate the pieces he worked with in Atlanta the best he can. As otherwise mentioned, a front loaded deal is good too.
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Old 03-21-2018, 04:03 PM   #230
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I like it. As I argued back when the Dez Bryant thing happened, if you have enough control to take the ball and reach for the end zone, then it should be a catch and the opposite position makes zero sense to me.
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Old 03-21-2018, 06:13 PM   #231
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I don't know if they're going to pass it, but the idea of making pass interference into 2 different penalties seems like a good idea. 15 yards for run of the mill PI, spot foul for egregious or obviously intentional PI. Won't be perfect, but better than everything being a spot foul.
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Old 03-22-2018, 10:29 AM   #232
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I don't know if they're going to pass it, but the idea of making pass interference into 2 different penalties seems like a good idea. 15 yards for run of the mill PI, spot foul for egregious or obviously intentional PI. Won't be perfect, but better than everything being a spot foul.

I'm down for that.
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Old 03-22-2018, 02:41 PM   #233
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Old 03-22-2018, 02:59 PM   #234
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I'm down for that.

Sounds good, but (assuming it passes) I give it until Week 3 until a massively controversial, game changing blatant/egregious PI call comes down.

Determining intent sucks.
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Old 03-22-2018, 08:36 PM   #235
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We are laughing the other 12 teams if the Patriots' scout is not there, right?
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Old 03-23-2018, 01:31 AM   #236
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Sounds good, but (assuming it passes) I give it until Week 3 until a massively controversial, game changing blatant/egregious PI call comes down.

Determining intent sucks.
Yep. This is also one area where HDTV's and super slow motion replays really suck.
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Old 03-23-2018, 05:52 AM   #237
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The Jets signed Pryor for 6 million for one season, but I wonder if Hurns couldn't have been signed for less. I think he is clearly the better WR. Lots of Jets fans on reddit are excited about Pryor, but I think he's terrible as a starting WR and that his numbers are more reliant on volume than efficiency.
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Old 03-23-2018, 01:53 PM   #238
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Re: The McKinnon deal. I think he is an outstanding fit for Shanahan's system and should pair nicely with their UDFA find from last season Breida. I think he is going to try and recreate the pieces he worked with in Atlanta the best he can. As otherwise mentioned, a front loaded deal is good too.

This. Part of the problem is the perception that it is an overpay for a “running back”, but teams are realizing that a back with great receiving skills can create significant mismatches against a defense. I think we are starting to see the market separate the “two down” running backs who are a minus in the passing game (a la Carlos Hyde) from those who are more multipurpose.
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The whole thing is weird, from the timing to the grandstanding press conference. Maybe it happened like they said, but arresting him 14 months after the incident without new evidence emerging is strange.
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Old 03-26-2018, 07:49 PM   #241
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Suh to the Rams. 1 year $14 mil.
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Suh to the Rams. 1 year $14 mil.

Wade Phillips coaching Suh and Donald.

That's . . . pretty fucking scary.
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Old 03-26-2018, 09:18 PM   #243
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Old 03-27-2018, 08:30 AM   #245
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I was joking with a friend that Suh and Talib would have a unsportsmanlike conduct "contest" this season.

I love adding the talent but wish my team were adding better human beings. In related news, the Rams have also kicked the tires on acquiring Odell "Coke and Hos" Beckham Jr.
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Old 03-27-2018, 12:28 PM   #247
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I was joking with a friend that Suh and Talib would have a unsportsmanlike conduct "contest" this season.

I love adding the talent but wish my team were adding better human beings. In related news, the Rams have also kicked the tires on acquiring Odell "Coke and Hos" Beckham Jr.

If OBJ doesn't work out, the Rams know that Rae Carruth is still only 44, has no wear and tear, and has been working out for years. He should be available for the second half of the season.
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I am struggling with the notion that my favorite NFC team has or will acquire 3 of my 5 least favorite players in the NFL. How does one reconcile this? Should the focus be on weighing the positives against the negatives?
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