NFL Division Playoff Round Thread

[cmp]

Is it also Peyton's fault Denver gave up that prayer from Flacco for a TD in the 4th?

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

I watched the whole game. I watched him toss three TD passes. I watched Flacco be the better QB on teh day, and that's sad for your "elite-status" when that happens. This is the last straw, the final minute, and the game is done. The Broncos were better than this, and they outplayed the Ravens in special teams massively, and Manning had the offense to outduel the Ravens but simply could not.

Lets shit on a MVP season and one of the most remarkable comeback stories in NFL history because of a few bad plays. His team put up 35 points in a playoff game. That wins in the playoffs, what 99 percent of the time?

[kingfc22]

Do not settle for a FG here

[kingfc22]

Yes! Crabtree and Kaep strike again

[jbergey22]

This is on schedule for another great game today.

[Jas_lov]

3rd and goal from the 14 and they let the guy walk in. Who are they, the Broncos? Rodgers is going to have to win this.

[Abe Sargent]

Basically, i ask, what does it mean when the "consensus best quarterbacks" in the top two or three of this era can;t get more than one SB win. Is is because his team isn;t that loaded with atlent, a la Marino? It could be, but players like Dwight Freeney, Marvin Harrison, Ed James, Bob Sanders, and Reggie Wayne might make an argument that the Colts had the talent to make the SB every year. Is it bad coaching? Is is just bad luck?


Now he had the chance to go deep with the #1 spot with a very good Denver team, and he just Peytoned the ball three times to the defense and lost. Again.



So, i think we need to redefine Manning;s status. Best QB oif this era is Brady, let's just stop any argument that P. Manning iis in the question. Quarterbacks like Brees who have just as many regular season accolades as Manning and one ring as well move up, and a QB like E Manning move sup, because he's won two rings. Barring some miracle SB run inthe next year or two, in my opinion, P Manning has been dropped from the argument of the #1 or #2 spot to the #4 or 5 spot onf the las tdecade. All of the attack against him for having bad playoffs is coming back and getting more and more steam.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Lets shit on a MVP season and one of the most remarkable comeback stories in NFL history because of a few bad plays. His offense put up 21 points in a playoff game. That wins in the playoffs, what 40 percent of the time?

Fixed!

[Scoobz0202]

Direct TV is having technical difficulties on my Fox channel with a cute little notice saying "No need to call! We are aware of the service issue. " guhhhh

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Scoobz0202

Direct TV is having technical difficulties on my Fox channel with a cute little notice saying "No need to call! We are aware of the service issue. " guhhhh

Ugh. If that were me, I'd be roaring in my chair.

[rowech]

Originally Posted by Scoobz0202

Direct TV is having technical difficulties on my Fox channel with a cute little notice saying "No need to call! We are aware of the service issue. " guhhhh

Yes. Beyond aggravating.

[Scoobz0202]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Basically, i ask, what does it mean when the "consensus best quarterbacks" in the top tNotwo or three of this era can;t get more than one SB win. Is is because his team isn;t that loaded with atlent, a la Marino? It could be, but players like Dwight Freeney, Marvin Harrison, Ed James, Bob Sanders, and Reggie Wayne might make an argument that the Colts had the talent to make the SB every year. Is it bad coaching? Is is just bad luck?


Now he had the chance to go deep with the #1 spot with a very good Denver team, and he just Peytoned the ball three times to the defense and lost. Again.



So, i think we need to redefine Manning;s status. Best QB oif this era is Brady, let's just stop any argument that P. Manning iis in the question. Quarterbacks like Brees who have just as many regular season accolades as Manning and one ring as well move up, and a QB like E Manning move sup, because he's won two rings. Barring some miracle SB run inthe next year or two, in my opinion, P Manning has been dropped from the argument of the #1 or #2 spot to the #4 or 5 spot onf the las tdecade. All of the attack against him for having bad playoffs is coming back and getting more and more steam.

We are so far from being on the same Page it isn't worth discussing. I'm not on the "rings define a player" team. Not even close. Any further discussion from me would further drag this thread Ddown and ultimately go nowhere.

[Scoobz0202]

Originally Posted by rowech

Yes. Beyond aggravating.

I take it this is a region thing then huh

[Abe Sargent]

Pic k by 49ers

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Basically, i ask, what does it mean when the "consensus best quarterbacks" in the top two or three of this era can;t get more than one SB win. Is is because his team isn;t that loaded with atlent, a la Marino? It could be, but players like Dwight Freeney, Marvin Harrison, Ed James, Bob Sanders, and Reggie Wayne might make an argument that the Colts had the talent to make the SB every year. Is it bad coaching? Is is just bad luck?


Now he had the chance to go deep with the #1 spot with a very good Denver team, and he just Peytoned the ball three times to the defense and lost. Again.



So, i think we need to redefine Manning;s status. Best QB oif this era is Brady, let's just stop any argument that P. Manning iis in the question. Quarterbacks like Brees who have just as many regular season accolades as Manning and one ring as well move up, and a QB like E Manning move sup, because he's won two rings. Barring some miracle SB run inthe next year or two, in my opinion, P Manning has been dropped from the argument of the #1 or #2 spot to the #4 or 5 spot onf the las tdecade. All of the attack against him for having bad playoffs is coming back and getting more and more steam.

I dont think the NFL sample size is large enough to judge NFL QBs and to put much sooooooo much weight on SB wins. Yes, Eli pulls some magic in the 4th quarter and playoffs often but what the hell is doing in the first half of some games and why are they fighting to even make the playoffs most years?

Peyton just happens to have some of his worst games in the playoffs. Is there a large enough sample size to say he chokes or could it be that he just picks really bad times to have his "off games?"

I think if you switched Brady and PManning around PManning would like have more super bowl wins than Brady.

[rowech]

Peyton is still number two and is there solidly. Brady is number one and really it's not even close anymore.

[kingfc22]

Yes! Keep the momentum going into the half.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Scoobz0202

We are so far from being on the same Page it isn't worth discussing. I'm not on the "rings define a player" team. Not even close. Any further discussion from me would further drag this thread Ddown and ultimately go nowhere.

kk!

[Radii]

Originally Posted by MIJB#19

Way too much talk about somebody that isn't in the playoffs at the moment and way too little talk about the game that's going on right now. What's next, bringing back the Jets QB controversy for debate?

I want to talk about Rex Ryan's tattoos.

[rowech]

Originally Posted by Scoobz0202

Direct TV is having technical difficulties on my Fox channel with a cute little notice saying "No need to call! We are aware of the service issue. " guhhhh

Originally Posted by Scoobz0202

I take it this is a region thing then huh

Must be as I'm not seeing any other complaints. Some nights I can pick up the Cincy fox affiliate but no such luck tonight. The Dayton station isn't coming in off antenna either.

[Jas_lov]

Originally Posted by cmp

Is it also Peyton's fault Denver gave up that prayer from Flacco for a TD in the 4th?

No, but the blame is always put on the QB if they lose. And these games always come down to a play here or there that it's not really fair. Is Eli a better QB than Brady because Eli beat Brady in two Superbowls? I don't think anybody would argue that. If Kaepernick beats Rodgers will people argue that Kaepernick is the better QB? It's the team that wins or loses so all this talk about Eli over Peyton is nonsense.

[jbergey22]

Colin is a nice QB. Like Cam Newton without the "attitude".

[kingfc22]

GB may want to cover Crabtree... TD BABY!!!

[Scoobz0202]

Originally Posted by rowech

Must be as I'm not seeing any other complaints. Some nights I can pick up the Cincy fox affiliate but no such luck tonight. The Dayton station isn't coming in off antenna either.

To the internet streams I go

[RedKingGold]

Crabtree has finally developed, he's become the real deal.

[Abe Sargent]

Colin is the great what if of Jags. If we ha not moved up to draft Gabbert, and the trade agreement came in laste, then we were taking Colin in the 2nd if still on teh board as the next best QB onthe board there.


To be fair, the greatest what if is what if the Ravens and Vikings had not screwed up the trade to move above the Jags to take LEftwich. The best player left on the Jags board was Terrell Suggs, and then they would have taken their best QB on their board, Ben R next year in the top ten, and would have had Ben Roeth and Suggs instead of Leftwich and that bad 9th overall pick WR we took - williams.


i like thinking about those things too much probably

[kingfc22]

That's something you don't see every day...a Finley highlight catch.

[Abe Sargent]

And this game is tied again baby! Both games pretty good so far.....

[kingfc22]

Rodgers/Jones vs. Kaep/Crabtree duel setting up.

[jbergey22]

Hmmm, Rodgers and Colin looking sharp.

[tucker rocky]

We have excitement folks, unlike last week.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by rowech

Somebody needs to keep an eye on that guy because that one is going tube tough to live with.

For whatever reason, this typo/autocorrect makes me chuckle. Tebow - TUBE TOUGH!

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

Tebow - TUBE TOUGH!

Ain;t that the truth

[rowech]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

For whatever reason, this typo/autocorrect makes me chuckle. Tebow - TUBE TOUGH!

Since using my ipad more i am amazed at how auto correct and bad typing can come up with some crazy things.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by Lathum

This is why I wid take Eli over Peyton any day

Will be interesting to see how he will do in this year's playoffs.

[Izulde]

Anybody who takes Eli over Peyton is a damned fool or a blind Giants homer.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by rowech

Peyton is still number two and is there solidly. Brady is number one and really it's not even close anymore.

Hasn't been close in a long time. My son told me this:
Brady 16-6 in playoffs. Peyton 6-9.
Brady 3 rings. Peyton 1 ring.

[Danny]

Peyton is 9-11 now but I can buy the Brady, the issue I have is saying someone like Eli is better

[Draft Dodger]

Originally Posted by rowech

Must be as I'm not seeing any other complaints. Some nights I can pick up the Cincy fox affiliate but no such luck tonight. The Dayton station isn't coming in off antenna either.

I'm having trouble - audio is cutting out left and right. was wondering if it was just me but I guess not.

[RedKingGold]

At some point, the Packers are going to have to put a spy on Kapernick.

[kingfc22]

Kaep making big plays with his legs.

[kingfc22]

Gore is on the sidelines with no helmet per the SF beat writers...something to keep an eye on

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Gore is on the sidelines with no helmet per the SF beat writers...something to keep an eye on

And just like that he is back in there. Nothing to see here.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Danny

Peyton is 9-11 now but I can buy the Brady, the issue I have is saying someone like Eli is better

I thought we had all agreed to not talk about it anymore Maybe it was just me and someone else. or something.



My final point. Knowing the career they would have going in, would you take Eli or Peyton in the top overall pick if they were in the same draft? Eli had two Super Bowls and may have more. Peyton had one, a bunch of MVP awards, and likely won;t have anymore Bowls. They have the exact same stats, game losses, career and so forth. Who do you take? Now, i take Eli. Having MVP trophies is sexy but you aren;t playing for that ultimately.

[Jas_lov]

Capers is a clown. The 9ers can just send their receivers deep, the pass rushers go up the field and Kaepernick runs right down the middle for 20 yards. That's happened 4 or 5 times and no adjustments have been made.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Hasn't been close in a long time. My son told me this:
Brady 16-6 in playoffs. Peyton 6-9.
Brady 3 rings. Peyton 1 ring.

I like the playoff records more as an argument than the rings. The 22 and 15 game sample size atleast eliminates some of the smoke.

I mean Terry Bradshaw by many is considered an all time great QB. When you look at his numbers you can only wonder why.

[kingfc22]

Kaep needs to find his other TE

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

I thought we had all agreed to not talk about it anymore Maybe it was just me and someone else. or something.



My final point. Knowing the career they would have going in, would you take Eli or Peyton in the top overall pick if they were in the same draft? Eli had two Super Bowls and may have more. Peyton had one, a bunch of MVP awards, and likely won;t have anymore Bowls. They have the exact same stats, game losses, career and so forth. Who do you take? Now, i take Eli. Having MVP trophies is sexy but you aren;t playing for that ultimately.

I take Peyton and find better players to put around him.

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by Radii

This is bringing up memories of John Fox losing games with his far too conservative play calling in Carolina. I had worked hard to repress those.

To be fair the Ravens were nearly as bad - they must have run up the middle on 90% of first downs and they left their kicker with a real tough kick at the end y not trying to move the ball.

I wonder if Manning's arm was dead at the end of the game. He hardly seemed to throw past 10-15 yards at all.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

I take Peyton and find better players to put around him.

That's not how the premise works. They have the exact same career , same numbers, wins, losses, # of Bowls, etc. You know ahead of time that they will have the identical career to the one they had, no matter talent. Who do you choose, that;s the question.


I choose Eli