Roy Moore Accused of sexual contact with 14 yr old when he was 32

[JPhillips]

I saw a chart where a pollster had run varying turnout models and had gotten anywhere from Jones +8 to Moore +9. Nobody has any idea of turnout because there aren't any historical similarities to fall back on.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by Jas_lov

Fox News came out with a poll today that has Jones up 10 but another poll by Emerson has Moore up 9. Pretty big gap there. Maybe Jones has a chance as undecideds choose him over an embarrassment for their state.

So many variables here.

Alabama is a non-competitive state generally, so it isn't a place like Florida or Ohio where pollsters have a good sense of turnout patterns.

It's a special election.

It's near Christmas.

One of the candidates is credibly accused of sexual misconduct with teenagers. But the state has a huge partisan lean in his direction.

The election potentially has large national consequences.

Pollsters are making their best guesses, but I don't see how anyone can legitimately say that the race is anything other than highly uncertain.

[bhlloy]

I’m sure that’s not an attempt by Fox to galvanize support and give something for Moore’s supporters to rally around.

He’s going to cruise to victory, we will use this as another data point about how bad the polls suck, CNN and MSNBC will ride the outrage for a few days and we won’t hear a squeak from McConnell and the R establishment because they will be too grateful to have a new toy that will vote however they want. Then a few days after that the rest of the media will move on to the next story that will generate some clicks.

[Atocep]

Alabama has prospered so much I can understand why they keep voting republican.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Alabama has prospered so much I can understand why they keep voting republican.

Reminds me of something that was posted on Facebook this morning.

Alabama Has the Worst Poverty in the Developed World, U.N. Official Says

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

I’m sure that’s not an attempt by Fox to galvanize support and give something for Moore’s supporters to rally around.

My thoughts exactly. It's their version of a rebel yell, get the inbreds running to the voting booth.

[mckerney]

Speaker at Moore event says he accidentally went with Moore to a brothel with child prostitutes https://t.co/8OTq9V1JQt pic.twitter.com/g6JZoUpxjl

— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) December 12, 2017

Nope, definitely didn't expect this to get any weirder...

[JPhillips]

And his wife made clear that they aren't anti-Jew because their lawyer is a Jew.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by mckerney

Speaker at Moore event says he accidentally went with Moore to a brothel with child prostitutes https://t.co/8OTq9V1JQt pic.twitter.com/g6JZoUpxjl

— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) December 12, 2017

Nope, definitely didn't expect this to get any weirder...

Weird story to bring up in light of everything, but certainly a misleading title to the story.

[RainMaker]

EXIT POLL: 57% say their vote wasn’t influenced by Roy Moore using a cowboy hat to cover his erection throughout his “children are our future” speech

— Pixelated Ho Ho Hoat (@pixelatedboat) December 13, 2017

[Thomkal]

Good place to see the election results:

http://www.cnn.com/election/2017/res...te?q=2017embed

[Jas_lov]

Looks like it's going to be close but Jones has been surging on Predictit.

[larrymcg421]

Started off good for Jones, then swung back towards Moore, and now looking really good for Jones (based on benchmarks, not raw totals). PredictIt is chaos right now.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Started off good for Jones, then swung back towards Moore, and now looking really good for Jones (based on benchmarks, not raw totals). PredictIt is chaos right now.

Looks like Moore is hitting his benchmarks as far as percentage of vote goes, but turnout is way under what was expected in his areas. Jones is right at to under his benchmarks but turnout in his areas is much higher than expected.

[Jas_lov]

A lot of the vote in red counties is in but heavy blue areas like Birmingham, Montgomery and Mobile haven't reported much yet. Predictit has swung back to Jones.

[RainMaker]

I think Moore will win mainly because it's still Alabama at the end of the day. They aren't voting in a Democrat.

[cuervo72]

Man, CNN can't even get a hold of a picture of Bob Vance.

[JPhillips]

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I think Moore will win mainly because it's still Alabama at the end of the day. They aren't voting in a Democrat.

Well, when the normal practice is marrying your 14 year old cousin..........

[Jas_lov]

Fox News calls it for Jones

[kingfc22]

FUCK YOU TRUMP!!!

[RainMaker]

Unbelievable.

[CrimsonFox]

WOW you guys had me thinking Moore won

Alabama Election Results: Doug Jones Defeats Roy Moore in U.S. Senate Race – Election Results 2017 – The New York Times

[EagleFan]

There is hope.

[thesloppy]

The live Roy Moore party stream is some top-level Schadenfreude:

Roy Moore holds election night watch party in Montgomery, AL| Latest News Videos | Fox News

[Thomkal]

Voter Fraud accusations in 3...2..1...

[CrimsonFox]

In celebration of his win, Doug Jones hired a meteor storm for Wednesday.
Myself I'm having a root canal.

[ISiddiqui]

I can't fucking believe it!! Fantastic result for the new Senator Jones!

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[CrimsonFox]

It's a good thing they got Franken run out on a rail just in time. Sure is.

[bhlloy]

Never been so happy to be wrong.

Investigation into mail voting fraud being announced by the White House in 3...2...1....

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Voter Fraud accusations in 3...2..1...

Touche

[JPhillips]

Pretty impressive that Trump managed to lose twice in Alabama.

[bbgunn]

As a native Alabamian, I'm in utter shock, because I never thought I'd see Roy Moore lose an election there. I'm very happy, though; good riddance, Roy Moore.

It's just sad that it took sexual harassment and pedophilia to sink him in the end. He should have been unelectable from the giddy-up.

[Kodos]

Holy crap. Way to go, Bama!

[Honolulu_Blue]

Yes!!!!

[Shkspr]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Voter Fraud accusations in 3...2..1...

Exactly. This is why Trump hired Kris Kobach, and they're going to try to get their money's worth out of him.

[ntndeacon]

I'm really happy about this. It will be a while before Moore concedes. And if it is within one half percent, there is an automatic recount.

[RainMaker]

In a weird way I think it would have been better for the Democrats to lose the race. They could constantly point at Moore while campaigning in states like Virginia.

I wonder how much Shelby refusing to vote for Moore played a role in the result. Kind of a ballsy move by him.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Touche

Heh I didn't read the full article in the Guardian, but it looks like the votes will either be destroyed after the vote or not otherwise recounted:

Alabama court gives last-minute order that could impede recount procedure | US news | The Guardian

[Jas_lov]

I think Dems would rather take the Senate and this gives them a better chance by holding their incumbents and flipping Nevada and Arizona. They can just run against Trump, who had 47-48 favorable-unfavorable in Alabama exit polls tonight.

[Thomkal]

Trump's tweet on the election results:

Congratulations to Doug Jones on a hard fought victory. The write-in votes played a very big factor, but a win is a win. The people of Alabama are great, and the Republicans will have another shot at this seat in a very short period of time. It never ends!

[BYU 14]

Sanity slowly creeping back into the world, well done Bama!

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Trump's tweet on the election results:

Congratulations to Doug Jones on a hard fought victory. The write-in votes played a very big factor, but a win is a win. The people of Alabama are great, and the Republicans will have another shot at this seat in a very short period of time. It never ends!

Clearly written by a staffer. Let’s see what his twitter account spits out tomorrow when he’s on the shitter in the morning.

[mckerney]

I hope Roy Moore's defeat is a lesson to all Republicans that no matter how many kids you fuck NEVER admit to having a jew lawyer

— Matt Oswalt (@MattOswaltVA) December 13, 2017

[Ben E Lou]

I literally laughed out loud at 6:25 AM reading this gem.

The reason I originally endorsed Luther Strange (and his numbers went up mightily), is that I said Roy Moore will not be able to win the General Election. I was right! Roy worked hard but the deck was stacked against him!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 13, 2017

[PilotMan]

Trump, demanding loyalty and giving none, unless it benefits him.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

Trump, demanding loyalty and giving none, unless it benefits him.

The only reason he's not gone is because the GOP realizes this is their chance to push through any and all draconian measures that they can for the next year. They would've sold him down the river long ago if there was a tangible benefit to doing so, but they know that they are well and truly fucked in the midterm, so better get while the gettin's good.

Tax cuts for the rich. Net neutrality. Anti-gay and anti-abortion laws of all sorts. Maybe even Medicare and Social Security cuts. It's all on the table. Making America Great Again... for the wealthy and powerful. But you know, for straight white people too.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

I literally laughed out loud at 6:25 AM reading this gem.

The reason I originally endorsed Luther Strange (and his numbers went up mightily), is that I said Roy Moore will not be able to win the General Election. I was right! Roy worked hard but the deck was stacked against him!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 13, 2017

I mean this is literally what I expected Trump to say when the allegations first came out, or something like it.

"I told you so. You should have voted for Luther Strange. Now write him in and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN"

But he never did that. He endorsed Roy Moore instead and called his accusers liars, and waited until after the election to play the "told you so" card. I was baffled that it took this long.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

I mean this is literally what I expected Trump to say when the allegations first came out, or something like it.

"I told you so. You should have voted for Luther Strange. Now write him in and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN"

But he never did that. He endorsed Roy Moore instead and called his accusers liars, and waited until after the election to play the "told you so" card. I was baffled that it took this long.

What's funny is the late swing to Jones was likely because of Trump's endorsement and campaigning for Moore.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

In a weird way I think it would have been better for the Democrats to lose the race. They could constantly point at Moore while campaigning in states like Virginia.

I wonder how much Shelby refusing to vote for Moore played a role in the result. Kind of a ballsy move by him.

I don't think it would have been better in any way. This is a nightmare for Republicans as it gives hope in just about any state if you can get the turnout. Dems can still campaign on the fact that a large number of Republicans, including the president, backed a pedophile.