Yet another school shooting.

[cuervo72]

Wondering how this:

Youngkin announces law enforcement funding proposals in Norfolk | WAVY.com

Is supposed to help with this:

24-year-old man arrested for 'senseless' Woodbridge shooting that left 4 dead: Police | WJLA

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I'm surprised at the lack of details after 5-6 days. Haven't disclosed possible motive, how the kid got the weapon, did the kid have a history etc. I'd think more would have come out by now.

Assume the parents weren't negligent and there weren't signs (per some interviews with third parties), I feel for them. I can't imagine what they are going through.

Raleigh shooting suspect: Parents of 15-year-old Austin Thompson are 'overcome with grief' after 5 people were killed | CNN

If your 15-year old has access to that kind of weaponry, the parents were negligent and should serve the rest of their lives in prison.

[HerRealName]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

If your 15-year old has access to that kind of weaponry, the parents were negligent and should serve the rest of their lives in prison.

I think maybe you missed the part where they say they prayed a lot?

[Edward64]

I'll wait for more details before passing judgement.

[cuervo72]

Yeah, also not a school shooting. Or even a mass shooting, but I guess this is the gun thread now.

Father, son open fire on innocent woman they think is home intruder, Polk sheriff says | WFLA

Wonder if Sinclair will put this on their broadcasts.

[sovereignstar v2]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

Yeah, also not a school shooting. Or even a mass shooting, but I guess this is the gun thread now.

Father, son open fire on innocent woman they think is home intruder, Polk sheriff says | WFLA

Wonder if Sinclair will put this on their broadcasts.

We should just have a thread for crazy shit that happens in Florida.

[Lathum]

If only she had a gun it would have all worked out. It is almost as if this whole "everyone has a gun" mentality creates a shoot first ask questions later mentality.

[RainMaker]

At some point you have to wonder if any of these people were in on it.

Exclusive: Officer being investigated over Uvalde response gave order to delay classroom breach | CNN

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

Yeah, also not a school shooting. Or even a mass shooting, but I guess this is the gun thread now.

Father, son open fire on innocent woman they think is home intruder, Polk sheriff says | WFLA

Wonder if Sinclair will put this on their broadcasts.

omfg i hate people that have guns. every fucking person

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

Yeah, also not a school shooting. Or even a mass shooting, but I guess this is the gun thread now.

Father, son open fire on innocent woman they think is home intruder, Polk sheriff says | WFLA

Wonder if Sinclair will put this on their broadcasts.

They were just following the Sheriff's encouragement.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida...oting-looters/

"I would tell them, if you value your life, they probably shouldn't do that in Polk County," Grady said. "Because the people of Polk County like guns, they have guns, I encourage them to own guns, and they're going to be in their homes tonight with their guns loaded, and if you try to break into their homes to steal, to set fires, I'm highly recommending they blow you back out of the house with their guns. So, leave the community alone."

[RainMaker]

Grady is a nut who's been in office for a long time. He used to arrest people for saying mean things about George W Bush.

[cuervo72]

Dallas hospital shooting: Two dead, one suspect arrested | wfaa.com

[cuervo72]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/hurt-shoot...ry?id=92003996

"2 killed in St. Louis high school shooting, gunman also dead"

[Lathum]

Just another Monday in 'Merica!

[cuervo72]

Seven security guards were in the school, according to St. Louis Schools Superintendent Kelvin Adams.

I mean...

[PilotMan]

Not enough. We need ten times that much. We need 70 armed guards at each and every school. It's the only way our kids will be safe. Build the schools up with really thick walls so nobody can get in. Put armed guards everywhere to protect them, and then control the locks on the rooms from a central command post to allow access to each area only by known people within the school. It's a foolproof plan.

[GrantDawg]

Don't forget, the school must only have one door to the outside. Those evil doors.

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[RainMaker]

If you're still hedging on whether all the cops here are complete sociopaths.

New Uvalde 911 Calls Highlight Botched Police Response — ProPublica

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Edward64

If it was only one holdout, I'd be PO'd. But with 3 jurors holding out, I'll respect their decisions and assume they had "more" rationale to not give a death penalty.

I still respect the jury's decision but yeah, I'd feel this way too.

Parkland parent Michael Schulman calls for Nikolas Cruz to be murdered in jail

Schulman told the court during his victim impact statement that he had an upcoming birthday and longed for only one grim gift.

“My hope, my prayer, is that for my birthday present I get word you are dead,” he said while jabbing his finger in Cruz’s direction.

“That the prisoners and the inmates you associate with execute the judgment that this court can’t.”

In a verdict that left the families of Cruz’s 17 victims stunned, a jury opted against applying the death penalty in the case. Bound by that decision, Judge Elizabeth Scherer sentenced Cruz to life late Wednesday.

[Lathum]

What is the point of the death penalty if that fucker doesn't get it?

[JPhillips]

Not saying it isn't understandable, but pain and anger like that isn't going to go away if Cruz is killed.

Forgiveness heals the forgiver.

[Kodos]

Some things are unforgivable.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Not saying it isn't understandable, but pain and anger like that isn't going to go away if Cruz is killed.

Forgiveness heals the forgiver.

I dunno. I would be pretty angry knowing this fucker is going to live out his years with 3 meals a day and tax payer funded healthcare.

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Not saying it isn't understandable, but pain and anger like that isn't going to go away if Cruz is killed.

Forgiveness heals the forgiver.

This, 100%. I'm not saying that to be against the perspective others are giving, but this is important and I hope it becomes a reality.

[Edward64]

I’ll forgive after that sucker is dead.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

This, 100%. I'm not saying that to be against the perspective others are giving, but this is important and I hope it becomes a reality.

Name a time when Jphillips, Brian Swartz and I agree on anything. Maybe just this once.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Name a time when Jphillips, Brian Swartz and I agree on anything. Maybe just this once.

Can I get in on this?

[Edward64]

Just to be clear. You guys would forgive someone that killed your own innocent child (e.g. didn't do any bullying or crap like that) in an indiscriminate school shooting?

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Just to be clear. You guys would forgive someone that killed your own innocent child (e.g. didn't do any bullying or crap like that) in an indiscriminate school shooting?

Who knows if you could or not if you haven't been in that situation?

But I will say that forgiving would be better for my mental health rather than holding on to anger and rage.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Who knows if you could or not if you haven't been in that situation?

I think you 4 are saying you can?

But I will say that forgiving would be better for my mental health rather than holding on to anger and rage.

I honestly don't see it as either forgive or execute. I can easily see myself forgiving and having the perp be executed.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I think you 4 are saying you can?



I honestly don't see it as either forgive or execute. I can easily see myself forgiving and having the perp be executed.

I think I said that I have no idea if I could forgive someone if I was in that situation.

Also I see the forgive/not forgive and execute/not execute as generally separate issues.

[Ksyrup]

I'll take the other quadrant - no forgiveness, moving on with my life, and I really don't care if he dies or rots in jail.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Not saying it isn't understandable, but pain and anger like that isn't going to go away if Cruz is killed.

No, but I'd be happiER knowing the sumbitch was dead.

Not as much happiER as doing it with my own hands perhaps but you takes what you can get.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I honestly don't see it as either forgive or execute. I can easily see myself forgiving and having the perp be executed.

I don't either. I see it as try to forgive, but mostly I think the death penalty is repugnant. He can spend the rest of his life in prison. I personally would rather die than that anyway.

[RainMaker]

Revenge is a moral obligation. https://t.co/YUAswQYxET

— Nassim Nicholas Taleb (@nntaleb) June 5, 2019

[sterlingice]

Sure, in some cases, it's a deterrent. I'm not sure it is here.

I'm pretty sure a gunman who opens fire on a bunch of people knows he's either getting life in prison or the death penalty. And I don't think one versus the other sways him whether to do it or not.

SI

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Just to be clear. You guys would forgive someone that killed your own innocent child (e.g. didn't do any bullying or crap like that) in an indiscriminate school shooting?

Not saying I could because I've mercifully never been in that position, but I have seen enough to believe strongly that personal healing is achieved in part through forgiveness and letting go of the anger and hate. That hate and anger won't do anything to the other person, but it will corrode your spirit over time.

Admittedly, my religious beliefs play a big part in my thinking.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by Lathum

What is the point of the death penalty if that fucker doesn't get it?

To make those of us who want to see Cruz in agony feel better? I don't even mean that as a shot at you. I just don't think it is any sort of deterrent.

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Not saying it isn't understandable, but pain and anger like that isn't going to go away if Cruz is killed.

Forgiveness heals the forgiver.

I believe that you are correct but I feel I would need a lot of time and assistance getting to this place.

Originally Posted by Edward64

Just to be clear. You guys would forgive someone that killed your own innocent child (e.g. didn't do any bullying or crap like that) in an indiscriminate school shooting?

No I don't think I would but I do think I would be better off if I could. I think I would have a higher expectation of myself to forgive if I purported myself as a person who had strong religious beliefs.

[GrantDawg]

3 dead, two wounded on the UVA campus. Police are looking for a former UVA running back, Chris Jones, as the suspect. He was no longer with the team but was still a student.

[Ksyrup]

At least 1 current player is a victim. Unclear if the player is dead or just injured.

EDIT: Looks like LB D'Sean Perry is dead.

[Ksyrup]

Also Lavel Davis. Jesus.

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Just to be clear. You guys would forgive someone that killed your own innocent child (e.g. didn't do any bullying or crap like that) in an indiscriminate school shooting?

I definitely don't claim that I would. Do I think I should, if placed in that horrible situation? Yes. Do I not do many other things I should do which are far, far easier? Also yes. It is a moral stance, but at the same time more than that; I agree strongly with the point that's been made, that not forgiving doesn't just hurt the person who committed the act. It's hurts the person who doesn't forgive, and in some cases hurts them more.

Or what JPhillips and miami_fan also said.

[Ksyrup]

Looks like all 3 dead at UVA were on the FB team. Another WR confirmed as a fatality.

[miami_fan]

What we know about the suspect in the deadly University of Virginia shooting | CNN

Has anyone seen reasons why Jones is no longer on the team? The mix of him not being on the team anymore, a hazing investigation, and Jones feeling picked on is an interesting mix for speculation.

[GrantDawg]

The murders in Idaho (I know not gun related, but school related) is getting weirder and scarier. They have no suspects and few leads. 4 young people stabbed and bleed out, and there were other roommates home at the time! This is horror movie stuff.

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[Ksyrup]

I haven't read everything out there so maybe some of the answers are out there that I've missed. Early on, they said they were confident it was targeted and now that we know roommates were home and unhurt, that makes some sense. I'm just guessing that the roommates were scared into not calling the police which is why this wasn't reported until later. That's based on the "not a hostage situation" comment, which is an odd comment to make and has to mean something.

Is there anything out there explaining where they were killed or found - together or separated? I haven't seen any of that detail. More than likely, this is going to be some sort of revenge/grudge thing, or drugs is always a possibility, I guess.

[henry296]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

What we know about the suspect in the deadly University of Virginia shooting | CNN

Has anyone seen reasons why Jones is no longer on the team? The mix of him not being on the team anymore, a hazing investigation, and Jones feeling picked on is an interesting mix for speculation.

You've probably seen this, but he was a walk-on and injured so was only with the team for a semester and really didn't participate much.

[GrantDawg]

Edward, in the press conference they had today, they refused to say whether they were found together or separate. They said there was signs of a struggle and evidence found on the scene. He also said though there was roommates in the house, he would not say there are any witnesses. He also did say the victims were concious at the time of the attack.
Everything he said made it more puzzling.

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[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I'm surprised at the lack of details after 5-6 days. Haven't disclosed possible motive, how the kid got the weapon, did the kid have a history etc. I'd think more would have come out by now.

Assume the parents weren't negligent and there weren't signs (per some interviews with third parties), I feel for them. I can't imagine what they are going through.

About a month now and still don't see any details googling with "raleigh school shooting".

Maybe I'm searching on the wrong phrase but it's weird there doesn't seem to be more info re: my questions above?

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Edward64

About a month now and still don't see any details googling with "raleigh school shooting".

Maybe I'm searching on the wrong phrase but it's weird there doesn't seem to be more info re: my questions above?

We were typing at the same time. My post/question was the month old Raleigh killings.

I assume your comment was on the Idaho horror? Yeah it's weird, how come no 911 for so long ... unless they were drugged out.

More questions than answers continue to plague the Moscow, Idaho, community after the fatal stabbing of four University of Idaho students – and police said they cannot assure the community is safe.
:
But there were no calls to 911 until noon Sunday. Fry did not say who called 911, despite two people being at the home when the killing took place and when officers responded. Fry also declined to say if the two people spoke with police.