The Trump Presidency – 2016

[Lathum]

The incredible thing is Trumps advisors will actually be forced into looking into it

[JPhillips]

Am I the only one that thought that was sarcasm based on panerd's repeated accusations of racism?

[JPhillips]

dola

If I understand things, the libertarian argued that arbitrary and excessive government regulation has no bearing on the behavior of the populace.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

dola

If I understand things, the libertarian argued that arbitrary and excessive government regulation has no bearing on the behavior of the populace.

Found this posted elsewhere, may not fit exactly but interesting nonetheless (looks like part of a series).

The Alt-Right Playbook: The Card Says Moops - YouTube

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by Galaril

Yup.

*3, and I'll add morally bankrupt as well.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

In Oregon & Washington turnout for presidential elections has been above 80% in practically every instance since adopting voting entirely by mail.

I feel like this post was (purposely?) ignored. Vote by mail increases turnout. Which is why Trump literally said he wants to limit it.

[GrantDawg]

So, let's some up what happened last night: "Hey, look! A troll! Lets feed it!"

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

Found this posted elsewhere, may not fit exactly but interesting nonetheless (looks like part of a series).

The Alt-Right Playbook: The Card Says Moops - YouTube

Nailed it!

[albionmoonlight]

It's a shame that vote by mail became a partisan thing.

Studies showed that it did not help on party or another.

And it is safe, pretty much impossible to hack, and increases turnout.

The states that do it all like it on a bipartisan basis.

But, now that Trump has poisoned the well, we will never have it because a huge group of people will go to their graves insisting that it is a "Democrat plot."

[albionmoonlight]

GOP nominated Larua Loomer for Congress.

Whether Trump wins in November will have huge effects on our country.

But I don't think it will do much to change the GOP either way.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by panerd
Not somebody. The COVID proof protesters who can protest in crowds of 10000s and not get sick but cant stand in line on election day to vote due to the deadly virus.

TBF, from what I remember on the research, it did not say the BLM protesters did not get coronavirus. It said there was not a spike because many stayed home, away etc. and therefore, overall there was not a spike. I suspect more BLM protesters proportionately did get the virus.

But your point is taken, there wasn't a lot of doom-and-gloom on this board re: protesters themselves catching the virus. BLM protests is a priority for many here and so helping spread the virus among themselves wasn't something to rail against.

Originally Posted by JPhillps
The joint Senate Intelligence Committee report makes it clear that the Trump/Russia connection in 2016 was basically the worst case scenario.

Yeah, definitely some dirty politics at work. But not worse case which would have been that these activities were significant enough where Trump was elected because of them and therefore an illegitimate presidency.

Originally Posted by panerd
What is my opinion? Maybe they all would vote for Trump. I don't presume they are all black and I don't presume what they all would do. Maybe they would all vote Libertarian. Then we would have an issue on our hands. But no he has solved that a third party will never be viable but can't wrap his head around the idea that maybe 40% of the people just don't care or want to vote. Maybe it's that simple?

Whereas I do believe there is "suppression" by the definition of the word, the real question to me is do these suppression tactics really prevent the non-bell curve exception (e.g. I proposed the 80%) from voting? 55% voted in 2016, is the other 25% really prevented (vs inconvenienced) from voting? Nope, it is their duty and privilege to go out and vote and, if necessary, plan ahead to get what they need to get to vote in person or absentee/mail-in.

However, I concede that majority of the people "inconvenienced" would vote Dem. Just my swag, 2016 had 51%-48% as Dem/lean vs Rep/lean so somewhere around this + a couple more % for Dem.

Originally Posted by thesloppy
In Oregon & Washington turnout for presidential elections has been above 80% in practically every instance since adopting voting entirely by mail.

Not sure about Washington but the other post on Oregon voting history showed that Oregon voted in the 70s and 80s before they did voting entirely by mail. Congrats to the Oregonians for doing their civic duty much better than many other states.

Originally Posted by Atocep
Purposely making it more difficult to vote is suppression even if it's still possible to vote. I don't know how you don't see it that way, but it's called suppression not prevention. Just go vote anyway when you're working multiple jobs and still not making ends meet is easy for some to say but ignores the real problem.

I like the differentiation. It is suppression by definition but not prevention.

NY Times says 43 states allows absentee/mail-in, the other 7 require some sort of excuse. Go vote by absentee if they land in your use case.

Originally Posted by panerd
Subtle racism on your part?

Definitely not ADL-racism.

Originally Posted by panerd
OMG!!! He disagrees with the echo chamber. RACIST!!!!!!

Congrats panerd. It typically takes at least 2-full pages before personal attacks come up with the non-ADL R-word. You may have the record.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by tarcone V
If Biden goes globalism, which he is, he loses.

This country is way to the nationalistic side. Nationalism before all.

Trump wins if Biden goes that strategy.

I think there is a nuance here. Most Americans are okay with some sort of globalism if it helps them, not perceived to be a threat, and doesn't hurt their pocket books too much.

I've tried finding recent polls and have been unsuccessful but I can see if Biden goes buddy buddy with China or Russia, that would be bad. If Biden does more with Canada-Mexico, UK & EU that's probably okay.

For many manufacturing people, NAFTA (or what is it called now) is bad.

For many IT people, spread of IT outsourcing is bad.

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Polling has shown a continued rise in support for immigration and free trade over the Trump years. Even things like working with allies can be seen at higher levels than in 2016.

I agree on immigration, specifically "legal" immigration.

I tried finding recent polls on "polls on globalization" and "US views on globalization". I did find a WP one in 2016 but honestly think that is kinda old and the country is moving more towards nationalism vs globalism. In other words, globalism may still be majority but think the trend is towards nationalism.

I would like to read more about current polling so appreciate some links if you are so obliged.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

It's a shame that vote by mail became a partisan thing.

Studies showed that it did not help on party or another.

And it is safe, pretty much impossible to hack, and increases turnout.

The states that do it all like it on a bipartisan basis.

But, now that Trump has poisoned the well, we will never have it because a huge group of people will go to their graves insisting that it is a "Democrat plot."

I remember way back when voting by computers came up. There was some that did not have an audit trail and, having an IT background and liking audit trails, I thought that was a threat.

Sure Oregonians have successfully done it but is it beyond belief (with the more awareness now about other countries trying to interfere and sow discord) that mail in could be manipulated somehow? All things held equal, I much prefer in-person voting with audit trails.

Re: who it helps more, I didn't think what you said was intuitively correct so I did some googling and found the below.

So surprise, you are right according to 538. And therefore the discussions past couple pages re: mail suppression helping Republicans more, although not completely proven right or wrong, is probably not as significant as what's been proposed here.

There Is No Evidence That Voting By Mail Gives One Party An Advantage | FiveThirtyEight

But before the political fighting gets too ugly, lawmakers really ought to look at the evidence. Numerous studies have arrived at the same conclusion: Voting by mail doesn’t provide any clear partisan advantage. In fact, as states have expanded their use of mailed ballots over the last decade — including five states that conduct all-mail elections by default — both parties have enjoyed a small but equal increase in turnout.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Whether Trump wins in November will have huge effects on our country.

But I don't think it will do much to change the GOP either way.

I really, really hope you are wrong. Trumpism is here to stay for the near future (e.g. he'll have some supporters for the next 2-4-6-8 years) but hopefully a much smaller minority than the current 38-42%.

I hope with a significant Biden win, his long established relationships with Congressional GOP folks and reputation as a "moderate", he can get us back to some level of bi-partianship and GOP will revert back to their pre-Trump days.

Polling is showing that Dems have a chance to win the Senate. I am very interested in what Biden says are his very top priorities in the first 2 years and how he negotiates with the GOP. There is danger that Biden will swing too far left to appease the radical elements of the Dem party.

I hope there is compromise.

With that all said, a common refrain in my line of work is - "hope" is not a management strategy.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I really, really hope you are wrong. Trumpism is here to stay for the near future (e.g. he'll have some supporters for the next 2-4-6-8 years) but hopefully a much smaller minority than the current 38-42%.

I hope with a significant Biden win, his long established relationships with Congressional GOP folks and reputation as a "moderate", he can get us back to some level of bi-partianship and GOP will revert back to their pre-Trump days.

Polling is showing that Dems have a chance to win the Senate. I am very interested in what Biden says are his very top priorities in the first 2 years and how he negotiates with the GOP. There is danger that Biden will swing too far left to appease the radical elements of the Dem party.

I hope there is compromise.

With that all said, a common refrain in my line of work is - "hope" is not a management strategy.

One problem is that, due to increased polarization and gerrymandering, a lot of GOP reps (and even Senators) have more to fear from losing a primary challenge from the right than losing the general election. So their inventive to meet Biden in the middle (or even halfway to the middle) is pretty much zero.

I do not think that Biden will swing too far left. The big concession that the Dems gave to the left at their convention was to let AOC talk for 60 seconds.

It is a solidly moderate party now, for good or ill.

[JPhillips]

Trump has spent his morning tweeting support for Laura Loomer.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Trump has spent his morning tweeting support for Laura Loomer.

She fits his prototype, thankfully where she is running is staunchly democrat.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Trump has spent his morning tweeting support for Laura Loomer.

Well, to be fair someone has to since she is banned from all social media platforms. Except maybe sports digs.

[Kodos]

FOFC: Here is a picture of the Earth from space. You can see that it is a sphere.

panerd: IT'S FLAT YOU IDIOTIC DEMOCRATS!

[JPhillips]

And now Trump is urging a boycott of Goodyear over something something MAGA hats.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

And now Trump is urging a boycott of Goodyear over something something MAGA hats.

CanCel cULture IS DesTroying OuR CoUNTRy.

[Ksyrup]

This thread:

What a privilege it is to be able to address @tedcruz @marcorubio @SenRickScott all at once. It is no slander and the same criticism applies to you. Never has anything been so clear and obvious as the truth that both Rubio and you lack principle and courage. Trump has cruelly https://t.co/mKENUklSCU

— Steve Schmidt (@SteveSchmidtSES) August 19, 2020

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

This thread:

Let them fight

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

This thread:

What a privilege it is to be able to address @tedcruz @marcorubio @SenRickScott all at once. It is no slander and the same criticism applies to you. Never has anything been so clear and obvious as the truth that both Rubio and you lack principle and courage. Trump has cruelly https://t.co/mKENUklSCU
— Steve Schmidt (@SteveSchmidtSES) August 19, 2020

There are burns. And then there is that thread.

SI

[NobodyHere]

That was pretty neat. Steve Schmidt really did a stepmom on Cruz's throat.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

This thread:

What a privilege it is to be able to address @tedcruz @marcorubio @SenRickScott all at once. It is no slander and the same criticism applies to you. Never has anything been so clear and obvious as the truth that both Rubio and you lack principle and courage. Trump has cruelly https://t.co/mKENUklSCU

— Steve Schmidt (@SteveSchmidtSES) August 19, 2020

Wow. These enabler morons should know by now that you shouldn't go up against a Lincoln Project person unless you want your ass handed to you.

[JPhillips]

For some reason the FBI Records Vault account thought it was a good idea to tweet out a copy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

[Brian Swartz]

If Biden goes globalism, which he is, he loses.

This country is way to the nationalistic side. Nationalism before all.

Trump wins if Biden goes that strategy.

On the win/lose part, nope. Possibly true if the candidate was more palatable than Trump, but until I see a shred of evidence of him doing anything other than getting his clock cleaned, nope.

Globalism is the future. Nationalism is the past. It doesn't even matter if we like that anymore, economic realities make in inevitable. We can either profit from globalism, or lose our shirts trying to fight it and failing, but it's here whether we like it or not.

[JPhillips]

The DHS employee that spoke out against Trump says today that Trump didn't just want to buy Greenland, he wanted to swap it for Puerto Rico.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

The DHS employee that spoke out against Trump says today that Trump didn't just want to buy Greenland, he wanted to swap it for Puerto Rico.

The Director's Cut of this Presidency is going to be crazy.

Can you imagine how many scenes they filmed that never made it out to the public?

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Trump has spent his morning tweeting support for Laura Loomer.

Mask fully off.

[sterlingice]

Don't you mean "hood"?

SI

[QuikSand]

It's funny how people still claim to be undecided whether Mr Trump is racist.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

It's funny how people still claim to be undecided whether Mr Trump is racist.

The Republican Party.

Lauren Loomer claims that the chairwoman of the Republican National Committee called her last night to tell her she was a "political rock star" and a "change agent for the Republican Party."https://t.co/YXEXtQPu6B

— Jared Holt (@jaredlholt) August 19, 2020

[JPhillips]

Man, today has been quite a day for crazy. In addition to all of the above, the Press Secretary said that Trump will decide whether or not to accept the results of the election in the aftermath of the vote.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

It's funny how people still claim to be undecided whether Mr Trump is racist.

ADL dictionary incoming!

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

ADL dictionary incoming!

Nope. Need to keep up, I've already said that Trump & Stephen Miller are racist.

But thanks for trying to make the distinction. Maybe its getting through. Am waiting on the new definition but haven't seen it yet.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

That was pretty neat. Steve Schmidt really did a stepmom on Cruz's throat.

Please let this become part of FOFC lore...

Thanks Lathum

[thesloppy]

Interesting side story to the protesting/covid/police in PDX:

A Weed Robbery Spree Strikes Portland Cannabis Shops, Even as Police Are Stretched Thin - Willamette Week

50 smash and grabs at SE Portland marijuana dispensaries over the last couple months. Omar coming!

[JAG]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Man, today has been quite a day for crazy. In addition to all of the above, the Press Secretary said that Trump will decide whether or not to accept the results of the election in the aftermath of the vote.

Trump will NOT accept a banning.

/throwback

[JPhillips]

Just keeps getting crazier. Trump basically validates QAnon.

REPORTER: QAnon believes you are secretly saving the world from this cult of pedophiles and cannibals. Are you behind that?

TRUMP: Is that supposed to be a bad thing? We are actually. We are saving the world. pic.twitter.com/rPYFU1B8WB

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) August 19, 2020

[Ksyrup]

How can anyone support this POS.

[molson]

Ranked voting option I'm going:

1. Biden
2. Cult of Pedophiles and Cannibals
3. Trump
4. Jo Jorgensen

Edit: Forgot Kanye. Either #3, #4, or #5. I'd need to see a Trump/Kanye/Jorgensen debate to sort that out.

[Ksyrup]

After that debate, you'd need to also see a psychiatrist to sort that out.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

Please let this become part of FOFC lore...

Thanks Lathum

39,113 posts and I may have finally contributed to this place.

[cartman]

someone should tell him NAMBLA likes him very much, and see what he has to say about that.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by cartman

someone should tell him NAMBLA likes him very much, and see what he has to say about that.

"I lost my membershi... uh, I don't know a lot about that, but they love young Americans and me, so they must be fine people. Got great ratings for Jerry Springer, I bet I could get 10 times his number."

[RainMaker]

Saw a Q thing today that supposedly believes AOC is Jodi Arias.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Saw a Q thing today that supposedly believes AOC is Jodi Arias.

Well it does make perfect sense. I can find absolutely no flaw in that theory whatsoever.

Now excuse while I go take whatever covid cure the MyPillow guy is pushing.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by cartman

someone should tell him NAMBLA likes him very much, and see what he has to say about that.

Holy shit. if i could have a press pass for just one day