03-16-2020, 01:33 PM | #2801 |
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Whenever AOC does run, she will be attacked for not being progressive enough.
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03-16-2020, 07:25 PM | #2802 |
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AOC has shown a willingness to work with moderates for incremental changes. She too reasonable for many of the far left. I stopped following John Cusack months ago on Twitter because of his constant attacks on her not being liberal enough.
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03-17-2020, 12:13 PM | #2803 |
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Three primaries going ahead today, looks like three more big Biden wins.
Sanders probably won't drop out but I'd love to see this over with and Biden step into the nominee role now. Edit: AOC has really grown on me, I love her measured perspective on what the Dems have to be to move forward successfully. Last edited by molson : 03-17-2020 at 12:14 PM. |
03-17-2020, 01:17 PM | #2804 |
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Bernie dropping out now for the good of the party and the country would be the right move.
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03-17-2020, 01:34 PM | #2805 |
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I think Bernie drops, talks about how we need to focus on the virus, not bickering, Dems and country need to unify to remove incompetent President, etc. If there's ever a moment for him to look magnanimous, this is it.
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03-17-2020, 02:08 PM | #2806 |
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But Bernie's been opening new offices. I think he's playing a cynical strategy hoping that the virus blunts Biden's momentum.
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03-17-2020, 02:10 PM | #2807 | |
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Or b/c every primary will now have weirdness related to voting, he can claim he was robbed when he loses a primary. Absolutely nothing about Bernie makes me think he will do the right thing here. |
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03-17-2020, 02:12 PM | #2808 | |
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Yes. In 2016 he kept complaining about the superdelegates and then ran all summer on a strategy of maybe the superdelegates would give it to him.
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03-17-2020, 02:15 PM | #2809 |
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I was thinking good thing Bernie won't be around in 2024 and then remembered he's just a year older than Sanders.
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03-17-2020, 02:17 PM | #2810 |
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Yeah, but in the Nevada debate Bernie reversed his position and said the delegate leader should win. That was when it looked like it he would be the leader. He needs to drop out and endorse the nominee.
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03-17-2020, 06:03 PM | #2811 | |
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No surprise to me but do wonder about the demographics & breakdown. Do these also hold true for the younger crowd also.
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03-17-2020, 06:18 PM | #2812 |
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It looks like Bernie is getting obliterated in Florida. Roughly 2.5 to 1 with around 30% of the votes counted.
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03-17-2020, 06:37 PM | #2813 |
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There looks like almost as many votes for people that have already drop as for Bernie in Florida. He is getting spanked.
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03-17-2020, 06:54 PM | #2814 |
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Currently 60.5% vs 22.7% with 58% reported.
Isn't it safe to call it by now? |
03-17-2020, 07:00 PM | #2815 |
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Surprising turnout in FL. Much higher than 2016.
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03-17-2020, 07:03 PM | #2816 | |
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I think, just to be safe, we should let the Supreme Court decide Florida’s winner. |
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03-17-2020, 07:04 PM | #2817 |
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They couldn't call it till all the polls where closed, Ed.
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03-17-2020, 07:10 PM | #2819 |
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Looks like Florida voters don't care about the literacy rates in Cuba.
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03-17-2020, 07:11 PM | #2820 |
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Bernie miscalculated that all that support for him in 2016 was actually for him but it was just anti-Hillary. Biden is more likeable and winning every county in every state. Sanders needs to drop out tonight and endorse Biden. In 2016 he was actually winning states. Now he isn't even winning counties.
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03-17-2020, 07:11 PM | #2821 |
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The panhandle didn't close until 8. Two different time zones.
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03-17-2020, 07:13 PM | #2822 |
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03-17-2020, 07:14 PM | #2823 |
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03-17-2020, 07:14 PM | #2824 |
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That's what I have been seeing, Jas. Many people chock it up to simply sexism, and some of it might have been. Much of the difference though, comes from how many people just did not like Hillary. She made many enemies inside the Democratic party.
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03-17-2020, 07:16 PM | #2825 |
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And after 4 years of Trump people just want someone stable and competent and that's Biden. Maybe that has something to do with it too.
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03-17-2020, 07:55 PM | #2826 |
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Bernie is getting killed. At this point he probably should suspend.
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03-17-2020, 08:06 PM | #2827 |
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I've never read the comments on PredictIt before. I wandered down there tonight to see if people had theories on why Hillary is still over 5%.
Pro Tip: Never ever read the comments on PredictIt. I was there for five minutes, and now I think that I'm convinced that the FBI framed Michael Flynn because he was trying to stop Mark Rich from creating coronavirus to help Bill Clinton rape Jeffery Epstein. Or something. Last edited by albionmoonlight : 03-17-2020 at 08:06 PM. |
03-17-2020, 09:14 PM | #2828 | |
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They're all just trying to sway the odds to help their position. Or at least, that's what I tell myself. It's more entertaining if you believe that. |
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03-17-2020, 09:36 PM | #2829 |
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Progressive Marie Newman beat pro-life conservative Dem incumbent Dan Lipinski. This is a good thing. We need people like Manchin in states like West Virginia. There is no reason for a guy like Lipinski in a seat Clinton won by 15 points.
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03-17-2020, 10:26 PM | #2830 |
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Clean sweep by Biden. Congratulations.
Bernie, give it up. Accept the fact you were a bum and deadbeat dad until you got elected to office at 41 (?) and it wasn't the system holding you down or oppressing you. It was you being you. Don't give Trump a chance at another 4 years because of your hubris. |
03-18-2020, 03:42 AM | #2831 | |
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Nobody is the same person today they were almost four decades ago. What matters is who Bernie Sanders is now, not who he was the first half of his life. |
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03-18-2020, 07:33 AM | #2832 |
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03-18-2020, 08:06 AM | #2833 | |
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All the more reason to drop out. He shouldn't be focusing efforts on a lost campaign as a senator. |
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03-18-2020, 08:11 AM | #2834 |
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Or at least "indefinitely suspend" the campaign in case Biden has a heart attack or something.
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03-18-2020, 08:29 AM | #2835 | |
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I could be wrong about this, but I think that all of the candidates who "drop out" are technically "suspending" their campaigns. I always figured that was for campaign finance reasons (and it might be), but I also figure that would let someone jump back in if a disaster happens. |
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03-18-2020, 08:29 AM | #2836 |
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Ok, I giggled.
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03-18-2020, 12:49 PM | #2837 | |
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I assume "Bum until 41" is related to Hillary's attack on bernie claiming that he never worked until he won an election at that age? Which is not true at all anyway. |
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03-18-2020, 12:52 PM | #2838 | |
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Yep. And if something happens to Biden, I wouldn't be surprised if folks like Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and even Harris jumped back in to try to win on the 2nd or 3rd ballot.
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03-18-2020, 01:10 PM | #2839 | |
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I think there's also just no legal mechanism to remove yourself from a ballot once you qualify. My Dem primary ballot had 15+ names on it. If Deval Patrick got the most votes, then I think he'd win the primary, even though he's not campaigning. |
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03-18-2020, 03:06 PM | #2840 |
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Progressives need to concentrate on getting more representation in Congress on the the local level. Things like the Marie Newman win. Get rid of the DINO's in Dem+8 districts and get more Representatives like AOC and gang. The change won't be a "revolution." Revolutions burn out. How about good, sustainable growth?
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03-18-2020, 03:29 PM | #2841 |
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If the party go towards democratic socialists like AOC then I'm voting Libertarian all across the board.
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03-18-2020, 04:23 PM | #2842 | |
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Yeah. I am ok with AOC types that seem to be somewhat reasonable but the Bernie Bros and ladies I have seen on CNN during the debates not thanks. They are completely not willing to listen to anyone over the age of 35 it seems. If the party is taken over by that crew I too will leave and provide my vote elsewhere. |
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03-18-2020, 05:43 PM | #2843 | |
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2018 was wonderful in that regard, I really hope it can continue once Trump is gone and that it doesn't take a monster like him to generate even the slightest interest towards real change. |
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03-18-2020, 09:16 PM | #2844 | |
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Sanders did get a county in the Midwest after getting shutout in Missouri and Michigan: Champaign, home of U-Ill |
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03-19-2020, 09:54 AM | #2845 |
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Tulsi drops out.
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03-19-2020, 09:55 AM | #2846 |
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Trump.
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03-19-2020, 10:23 AM | #2847 |
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Tulsi did endorse Biden. Bernie needs to do the same.
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03-23-2020, 09:02 AM | #2849 |
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Strange stuff is going on in Dem primary twitter. Biden hasn't spoken since last Tuesday (which seems perfectly normal to me considering we are in a pandemic). Some Sanders supporters are hashtagging #WhereIsBiden which the speculation (based on nothing really) that he has coronavirus or something nefarious is going on. I think Biden is supposed to speak today and there have been reports that he's been having conversations with Dem Congressional leadership on the legislation proposed. Sanders has convinced some of his donors to give to coronavirus research instead of his campaign and has done some coronavirus live stream things lately - though did manage to miss some votes in Congress while doing so.
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