If Trump Loses In November, What Do You Think Happens Next

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

McConnell. Vote to acquit. Ten minutes later. Damn this guy was guilty as hell.

Fuck him

Such a devout coward. It’s gotta take all kinds of moral and intellectual gymnastics to sleep at night if you’re McConnell. Or maybe not. Maybe he doesn’t give a shit about anything besides himself and sleeps like a baby.

[JPhillips]

I get why those running in 2024 would vote no, but I have no idea why they worked so hard for Trump. Nobody else can run the party while he's still at the top and he's not going to hand the crown to someone outside of the family. It seems like the best outcome for someone like Cruz or Hawley would have been conviction while they voted no. Something like a 90-10 conviction would piss off the base, but it would eliminate future problems with Trump running and there are two years to rile up the base because of the Dem baby-killers coming after your guns.

Instead, they all get to lick Trump's boots for another couple of election cycles.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

McConnell. Vote to acquit. Ten minutes later. Damn this guy was guilty as hell.

Fuck him

Trump will not like this.

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— Molly Jong-Fast🏡 (@MollyJongFast) February 13, 2021

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

It is ALMOST like the incident at the Michigan state capitol set a precedent.

It is ALMOST like the incident at the U.S. capitol set a precedent.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

I get why those running in 2024 would vote no, but I have no idea why they worked so hard for Trump. Nobody else can run the party while he's still at the top and he's not going to hand the crown to someone outside of the family. It seems like the best outcome for someone like Cruz or Hawley would have been conviction while they voted no. Something like a 90-10 conviction would piss off the base, but it would eliminate future problems with Trump running and there are two years to rile up the base because of the Dem baby-killers coming after your guns.

Instead, they all get to lick Trump's boots for another couple of election cycles.

Maybe they are just fascists.

[JPhillips]

But they're ambitious fascists.

[GrantDawg]

And their ambitions die if they are thought to betray Trump. They need him out of the way, but they cannot do it themselves.

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[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Definitely not a cult.

Here are the 137 Democrats who voted to kill an impeachment resolution against Trump - CNN Politics

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/09/polit...tes/index.html

Democrats who voted 'no' on the impeachment inquiry resolution - CNN Politics

Definitely not a cult either.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Here are the 137 Democrats who voted to kill an impeachment resolution against Trump - CNN Politics

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/09/polit...tes/index.html

Democrats who voted 'no' on the impeachment inquiry resolution - CNN Politics

Definitely not a cult either.

[PilotMan]

For for impeachment based on actions that brought the charges is exactly and equally as important and voting against it.

And there's some guy, somewhere who has been in jail for 12 years or more because he had a joint on him and got busted for the third time. He's too hardened a criminal to even consider letting back into civilized society at this point.

[JPhillips]

A good thread from Jonathan Rauch on the potential lastin effects of Trump's presidency:

Post-impeachment, we can say this: Trump's presidency has amended the Constitution. Not formally, of course, but informally...which matters just as much. Here are the five Trump amendments. 1/9
1. "No president shall be removed from office for treason, bribery, or any other crime or misdemeanor provided a partisan minority of the Senate will protect him (which is always). Impeachment is thus a nullity and presidents can expect impunity." 2/9
2. "Congressional oversight shall be optional. No congressional subpoena or investigative demand shall be binding on a president who chooses to ignore it." 3/9
3. "Congressional appropriations shall be suggestions. The president may choose whether or not to conform with congressional spending laws, and Congress shall have no recourse should a president declare that his own priorities supersede Congress's express will." 4/9
4. "The president shall have authority to make appointments as he sees fit, without the advice and consent of the Senate, provided he deems his appointees to be acting, temporary, or otherwise exempt from the ordinary confirmation process." 5/9
5. "The president shall have unconstrained authority to dangle and issue pardons for the purpose of obstructing justice, tampering with witnesses, and forestalling investigations. There is nothing anyone can do about this (see Amendment 1 above)." 6/9
Let's count our blessings. Had Trump won a second term, he'd have put through a 6th amendment: "The president may ignore or violate court orders." 7/9
Still, the existing Trump amendments give the president WAY more discretion and impunity than the Founders intended. After Trump, we're more dependent than ever on the president's character to prevent a quasi-monarchy. 8/9
And more than ever, there's a howling void at the center of the Constitution...one called Congress. 9/9

[BYU 14]

Oh the fucking irony

Former President Donald Trump fired back at Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell on Tuesday, releasing a scathing statement after McConnell published an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal blaming him for the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol.

“The Republican Party can never again be respected or strong with political ‘leaders’ like Sen. Mitch McConnell at its helm,” Trump said in a written statement. “McConnell’s dedication to business as usual, status quo policies, together with his lack of political insight, wisdom, skill, and personality, has rapidly driven him from Majority Leader to Minority Leader, and it will only get worse.”

Trump lives in a reality that is hard to comprehend sometimes, calling out anyone (regardless of how true it may be) for their lack of wisdom/insight after the 4 years of his lunacy is just, well, so Trump.

[JPhillips]

Scavino was much better at writing in a way that almost sounded like Trump. Whoever did this barely tried.

[BYU 14]

Was probably Lindsey, sounds like him

[GrantDawg]

Trump has fired Rudy as his personal lawyer on the same day both were sued by the NAACP for their involvement in the January 6th attack.

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[NobodyHere]

Trump Calls on G.O.P. to Replace McConnell

This will be fun to watch in the future

[albionmoonlight]

Cruz going on vacation during the ice storm and DeSantis being unapologetically and aggressively political with vaccine distribution may give us a clue whether "LOL, the old rules are gone; nothing matters" applies to non-Trumps who are trying to run the Trump playbook.

I have no idea whether he will end up being a unicorn, or whether he rewrote the rules for the GOP going forward.

[GrantDawg]

It looks like Ted is flying back this afternoon, and he is having to fly coach. Imagine getting trapped in the middle seat next to Ted Cruz.

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[albionmoonlight]

Isn't flying back the worst of all worlds for Cruz?

Best case, you probably don't go on vacation.

But, if you do go, then you double down and defend that and blame everything on the Democrat Party.

By coming back early, you are kind of admitting that you should not have left. Very un-Trumpy.

[JPhillips]

I can't think of a high-profile politician with worse political instincts than Ted Cruz. He always seems to make the wrong choice, going back to the 2016 convention.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Isn't flying back the worst of all worlds for Cruz?

Best case, you probably don't go on vacation.

But, if you do go, then you double down and defend that and blame everything on the Democrat Party.

By coming back early, you are kind of admitting that you should not have left. Very un-Trumpy.

Yeah, flying back does no good for him politically at all. His next opponent will definitely run an attack ad about Ted's trip during the crisis and it's not like Ted can run a counter ad saying, "Yeah I went to Cancun, but I flew back."

[PilotMan]

Cruz can't win here. At all. He's on vacation, with his family. He doesn't work IN Texas. He isn't a mayor or governor. He's not part of the State legislature. He's probably had that trip scheduled for months. Yet, weather fucks it all up. Not so support him, because he doesn't warrant it, but simply looking at the situation without it being HIM, it's totally no win. He stays, his family suffers, because he's not with them. He goes, he gets attacked. He stays on vacation, then he's a target, h comes back, he's a target. He's brought it on himself, and fuck him for being that person, but the situation itself, doesn't necessarily warrant all the attacks if he's a regular Joe.

[molson]

I wonder what Cruz does on vacation in Cancun.

[PilotMan]

I bet $1000 he doesn't vacation where I do down there.

[albionmoonlight]

In 2021, there is nothing that Cruz needed to do to help (basically, be lobbying the WH for maximum disaster relief and coordinating with state and federal officials to facilitate delivery of that relief) that he couldn't do from Cancun with Zoom/telephone. Heck, if he's at a fancy resort (which I assume he would be), he probably has better access to those things than in Texas with no power.

It is just the optics that seem so horrible.

But politics is 90% optics. Sometimes, politicians have to do things that make no sense b/c they look like they make sense. And this was one of those things.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by molson

I wonder what Cruz does on vacation in Cancun.

Molts his skin?

[JediKooter]

Mexico should deport him back to Canada

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

In 2021, there is nothing that Cruz needed to do to help (basically, be lobbying the WH for maximum disaster relief and coordinating with state and federal officials to facilitate delivery of that relief) that he couldn't do from Cancun with Zoom/telephone. Heck, if he's at a fancy resort (which I assume he would be), he probably has better access to those things than in Texas with no power.

It is just the optics that seem so horrible.

But politics is 90% optics. Sometimes, politicians have to do things that make no sense b/c they look like they make sense. And this was one of those things.

He was all over the Austin mayor earlier this year for a trip and has spent this week in full Quixote mode on windmills. Live by optics, die by optics.

He should put his power to use getting people to warming shelters. The thing is not only would it help people in need, but it would be political gold even to only appear to be helping. As I said above, though, his political instincts are terrible.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

In 2021, there is nothing that Cruz needed to do to help (basically, be lobbying the WH for maximum disaster relief and coordinating with state and federal officials to facilitate delivery of that relief) that he couldn't do from Cancun with Zoom/telephone. Heck, if he's at a fancy resort (which I assume he would be), he probably has better access to those things than in Texas with no power.

It is just the optics that seem so horrible.

But politics is 90% optics. Sometimes, politicians have to do things that make no sense b/c they look like they make sense. And this was one of those things.

It is optics, but political instincts should have told him not to fly to Cancun. He should have been in Texas doing something to help. Serve in a food line, bring in supplies, help a shelter, etc. THAT is what you do as a politician if you can't do anything else. Not say "to bad, so sad" and go on vacation.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

He stays, his family suffers, because he's not with them.

This is where your argument falls apart.

[miami_fan]

Not his fault, he was being a girl dad.

"With school cancelled for the week, our girls asked to take a trip with friends. Wanting to be a good dad, I flew down with them last night and am flying back this afternoon," he said in the statement. "My staff and I are in constant communication with state and local leaders to get to the bottom of what happened in Texas. We want our power back, our water on, and our homes warm. My team and I will continue using all our resources to keep Texans informed and safe

[albionmoonlight]

Not that it matters, but CDC Guidelines say that people returning from Mexico need to have negative COVID-19 test before being allowed to return.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

It is optics, but political instincts should have told him not to fly to Cancun. He should have been in Texas doing something to help. Serve in a food line, bring in supplies, help a shelter, etc. THAT is what you do as a politician if you can't do anything else. Not say "to bad, so sad" and go on vacation.

This

Beto is organizing welfare checks on seniors while Cruz was vacationing with his family. I'm sure the vacation had been planned, but you're a representative for your state and your people are suffering. You don't go on vacation.

[molson]

His story now seems to be that he flew down just to accompany his daughters, and always meant to fly right back the next day

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by molson

His story now seems to be that he flew down just to accompany his daughters, and always meant to fly right back the next day

sure....

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by molson

His story now seems to be that he flew down just to accompany his daughters, and always meant to fly right back the next day

Without getting that information to his team so they could get that to the media in the likely event questions arise?

Cruz has everything going for him to be a lifetime senator and I'll be mildy surprised if he's able to survive his next primary and general election cycle, yet he has 2024 presidential aspirations.

[molson]

He did the thing where he strongly implies the lie, without actually saying it.

"With school cancelled for the week, our girls asked to take a trip with friends. Wanting to be a good dad, I flew down with them last night and am flying back this afternoon."

[Qwikshot]

Ted Cruz is a scum bag, we know it. Republicans will still vote for him.

[albionmoonlight]

Between now and 2024, we will have 8 more natural disasters and 37 "AOC sent a tweet. Was it ANTI-WHITE?!?!?" scandals.

People won't be able to remember Cruz doing this, let alone caring about it.

[JPhillips]

But this is the kind of thing that ends his admittedly already long-shot presidential aspirations.

[GrantDawg]

Even Ted Cruz's friends hate Ted Cruz.

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[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by molson

His story now seems to be that he flew down just to accompany his daughters, and always meant to fly right back the next day

NEW: Ted Cruz booked his return ticket from Cancun to Texas at 6 a.m. today, according to a source with knowledge of the situation. Cruz was initially booked to return on Saturday.

— Peter Alexander (@PeterAlexander) February 18, 2021

[JPhillips]

Somebody in Heidi Cruz's group text leaked.

[GrantDawg]

Yeah, that story has past. He admitted today that it was supposed be through the weekend, and text that his wife sent out inviting their friends was in the NYT.

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[GrantDawg]

Jphillips and I have insync timing.

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[JPhillips]

lol

[miami_fan]

I think it is the public's interest to know who said "This mfer said 'cancum'" because that is a great response.

[GrantDawg]

So fleeing a disaster at home fueled by a governance failure and seeking safe harbor for those he loves most, Ted Cruz decided it was best to help his family cross the border? Huh.

— Jill Filipovic (@JillFilipovic) February 18, 2021

[larrymcg421]

Every time a Cruz scandal happens, I think of the episode of Shameless where Carl has a circumcision and it's recommended that he watch Ted Cruz speak to lose the urge to touch himself.

[Ksyrup]