X-Com 2, Midnight Suns & Jagged Alliance 3 - Page 6

Groundhog · 07-11-2018, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

4. The benefit of the ranger sword is the almost guaranteed hit and the range. Because you can use the slash ability once each turn - moving your full movement and attacking - it's a pretty effective way of removing pieces from the board and staying mobile. If you play the WoTC DLC and get the katana, the sword attack becomes incredibly deadly. And the special ability to attack any unit that comes within range also comes in handy. Overall, the gun is probably better, but the mobility that comes with the sword can be really sweet. I tend to make rangers either stealthy or combat oriented. The stealthy ones rarely get kills and ideally stay in stealth for the majority of as mission. The combat rangers use a mix of guns and sword depending on the situation.

Yeah, can confirm - especially re: the katana. Rangers are probably my favourite class, but I have them all trek down the combat path. Have to be selective with how you use the sword attack, but even without the katana they are great for a finishing blow if your shooting didn't obliterate the target.

BYU 14 · 07-11-2018, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

Yeah, can confirm - especially re: the katana. Rangers are probably my favourite class, but I have them all trek down the combat path. Have to be selective with how you use the sword attack, but even without the katana they are great for a finishing blow if your shooting didn't obliterate the target.

I agree with this and a Ranger and a Specialist are the only two classes that are in absolutely every mission group for me. You can spec a Ranger to be very effective (Also see the list of Mods I use below)
Blademaster
Shadowstep
Run and Gun
Bladestorm, then get Implacable from this level later
Untouchable
Reaper

Other attributes I spec from mods
Shredder
Rupture
Ever Vigilant

Honolulu_Blue · 07-11-2018, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BYU 14

I agree with this and a Ranger and a Specialist are the only two classes that are in absolutely every mission group for me. You can spec a Ranger to be very effective (Also see the list of Mods I use below)
Blademaster
Shadowstep
Run and Gun
Bladestorm, then get Implacable from this level later
Untouchable
Reaper

Other attributes I spec from mods
Shredder
Rupture
Ever Vigilant

On my last play through with the WoTC mod I took two rangers on the final mission. One was stealthy and had the kick-ass alien plasma gun and the other was up-close heavy hitter with the alien shotgun and katana. Both were easily my MVPs during the final part of that mission.

Edward64 · 07-13-2018, 11:10 PM

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Oh just wait

Just got done with the mission with the Avenger being shot down.

In the vanilla, it was set in an open field (and has been the past 3-5 times I've gotten to it). This time it had building between me and the objective so am thinking that is the mod.

I think I actually preferred the vanilla but it was good to have a change.

MizzouRah · 07-16-2018, 08:38 PM

Finally completed XCom EU, 55 hours total over a LONG period of time.

Guess XCom 3 will be out before I complete 2. Going to dig into that tonight or tomorrow and this time I'll start with the WOC expansion since I skipped EW in the first one.

nilodor · 07-17-2018, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Finally completed XCom EU, 55 hours total over a LONG period of time.

Guess XCom 3 will be out before I complete 2. Going to dig into that tonight or tomorrow and this time I'll start with the WOC expansion since I skipped EW in the first one.

It’s worth playing the shen’s last gift story missions instead of skipping them. Some excellent fan service there

Edward64 · 07-17-2018, 08:20 AM

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It’s worth playing the shen’s last gift story missions instead of skipping them. Some excellent fan service there

I did enjoy that mission and you got the Spark.

Now that you mention it, that mission is not in WoTC? I got the Spark by researching it.

Honolulu_Blue · 07-17-2018, 09:47 AM

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I did enjoy that mission and you got the Spark.

Now that you mention it, that mission is not in WoTC? I got the Spark by researching it.

I only ever played Shen’s DLC with the WoTC expansion and don’t recall that mission.

Edward64 · 07-17-2018, 10:16 AM

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I only ever played Shen’s DLC with the WoTC expansion and don’t recall that mission.

I thought Shen's DLC was for XCom 2 (e.g. pre-WoTC). The steam thread below indicates you can 'activate' it so I think I must have missed it.

I remember it because of the "elevator tubes" but haven't encountered that mission in WoTC.

Shen's Last Gift and WotC :: XCOM 2 General Discussions

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I was looking forward to playing the vanilla DLC after purchasing WotC in a few months. But now I'm reading up that SPARKs are available from the start and there is no mission attached. That's kind of disappointing, as I was looking forward to doing that mission. Does anyone know why this was changed, or if it will be readded at some point?

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my guess is for balancing reasons. The spark/ruler missions are quite long and will probably exhaust the troops you send. So the month you do either missions you will have 1 less squad available.

Anyway you can activate the mission in the pre campaign content menu.

MizzouRah · 07-17-2018, 10:54 AM

Wow.. getting my arse kicked. Not used to newbie soliders.

nilodor · 07-17-2018, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64

I thought Shen's DLC was for XCom 2 (e.g. pre-WoTC). The steam thread below indicates you can 'activate' it so I think I must have missed it.

I remember it because of the "elevator tubes" but haven't encountered that mission in WoTC.

Shen's Last Gift and WotC :: XCOM 2 General Discussions

When you start a new game you get to choose if you want to turn on Shen's mission and Vahlens mission.

Spoiler

I'm not sure how it works with WOTC but when I start a new game I remember seeing those boxes, at the same time you can elect to either play the story opening for WOTC or start with a random faction.

Edward64 · 07-18-2018, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by nilodor

When you start a new game you get to choose if you want to turn on Shen's mission and Vahlens mission.

Spoiler

I'm not sure how it works with WOTC but when I start a new game I remember seeing those boxes, at the same time you can elect to either play the story opening for WOTC or start with a random faction.

Thanks. I started a new game to check and saw the check box. I'll turn it on my next play through.

Almost done. I've killed the 3 Chosen, have a bunch of Colonels & Majors, nothing much to research now, healthy amount of supplies and intel.

Its too bad the Long War mod wasn't ported over. Looking forward to the next (supposedly) DLC.

MizzouRah · 07-18-2018, 10:21 AM

These timed missions suck.

BYU 14 · 07-18-2018, 10:39 AM

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These timed missions suck.

Reapers are a must for these.

Edward64 · 07-18-2018, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BYU 14

Reapers are a must for these.

Yes, I've been using the Reaper to move first under concealment.

I know Rangers get it later but it seems they should also have the conceal skill/trait at the very beginning.

MizzouRah · 07-18-2018, 03:49 PM

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Reapers are a must for these.

I don't think I have one yet.

MizzouRah · 07-21-2018, 09:33 AM

They have done one hell of a job with XC2 WOTC. I'm really having fun, the maps seem much more interactive, I like the "bonds" soldiers can have as well as the specialized classes. It seems much more involved than the first, like everything you do matters in some way.

MizzouRah · 07-23-2018, 08:45 PM

Finally have a reaper, that nut job chosen took my skirmisher so I'll have to hunt him down (he's wounded pretty good). Each mission is one hell of a ride though!

Edward64 · 07-23-2018, 08:56 PM

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Finally have a reaper, that nut job chosen took my skirmisher so I'll have to hunt him down (he's wounded pretty good). Each mission is one hell of a ride though!

I hate the rescue mission, I can never do it well.

jeff061 · 07-23-2018, 09:06 PM

I struggled with that mission as well. Last time I played it I sent 1 guy in the base to rescue him, stealthy as much as possible. Everyone else I ran around the perimeter to the extraction point.

Worked out well, spotted at his cell, but eliminated the guy befoe anyone else got in on the action, then snuck out.

MizzouRah · 07-23-2018, 09:41 PM

Hopefully my reaper is healthy when I do it. She took a hit vs that bastard chosen but lit him up with a claymore.

I cannot stress enough how much more tactical XC2 is vs EU.

Groundhog · 07-23-2018, 09:48 PM

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I struggled with that mission as well. Last time I played it I sent 1 guy in the base to rescue him, stealthy as much as possible. Everyone else I ran around the perimeter to the extraction point.

Worked out well, spotted at his cell, but eliminated the guy befoe anyone else got in on the action, then snuck out.

There are no missions more satisfying than this, for me. Some of the "boss" levels in particular I've managed to finesse like this - get one guy in to get the vial while everyone else is in position to secure your exit. Rarely works to plan though.

Edward64 · 07-23-2018, 10:39 PM

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There are no missions more satisfying than this, for me. Some of the "boss" levels in particular I've managed to finesse like this - get one guy in to get the vial while everyone else is in position to secure your exit. Rarely works to plan though.

My concealed Reaper always seem to get unconcealed before properly positioned.

I think the trick maybe is to take your time and not do the max moves with each turn?

Groundhog · 07-23-2018, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64

My concealed Reaper always seem to get unconcealed before properly positioned.

I think the trick maybe is to take your time and not do the max moves with each turn?

Yeah absolutely. I play with the mod to double mission timers as well because I hate being rushed. I take my time, move my guys up together and in cover, and back track if needed to find a different route. Sometimes you'll get discovered regardless and be flanked in the enemy's turn and shot to pieces, but especially once I've got my hands on armour upgrades most regular missions I'm not losing a single soldier.

MizzouRah · 07-23-2018, 11:15 PM

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Yeah absolutely. I play with the mod to double mission timers as well because I hate being rushed. I take my time, move my guys up together and in cover, and back track if needed to find a different route. Sometimes you'll get discovered regardless and be flanked in the enemy's turn and shot to pieces, but especially once I've got my hands on armour upgrades most regular missions I'm not losing a single soldier.

I think I lost like 4 total soldiers in the first XCom. Let my scouts do their thing and then have the enemy follow them right into my heavies. Such a good feeling when a plan falls into place.

NobodyHere · 07-23-2018, 11:18 PM

I really need to go back and one day complete the first XCom

Edward64 · 07-24-2018, 06:47 AM

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I think I lost like 4 total soldiers in the first XCom. Let my scouts do their thing and then have the enemy follow them right into my heavies. Such a good feeling when a plan falls into place.

I never did that or even thought of doing it. It was always position my team just right and then take the first shot.

I'm not sure that strategy works in the WoTC. The baddies seem to get behind cover pretty well and you've the the timer on some missions.

MizzouRah · 07-24-2018, 09:05 AM

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I never did that or even thought of doing it. It was always position my team just right and then take the first shot.

I'm not sure that strategy works in the WoTC. The baddies seem to get behind cover pretty well and you've the the timer on some missions.

Indeed.. I've had to change up tactics for sure, at least so far.

MizzouRah · 07-31-2018, 10:23 PM

For some reason, this game is much harder than the original. Destroy a relay, says "easy". I get to the relay in cover and then BOOM I'm outnumbered 11-4.

Yeah I save scum at times.. finally decided the easiest way out of this one was to call in an evac. I didn't kill anyone LOL!

Neon_Chaos · 08-01-2018, 12:37 AM

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For some reason, this game is much harder than the original. Destroy a relay, says "easy". I get to the relay in cover and then BOOM I'm outnumbered 11-4.

Yeah I save scum at times.. finally decided the easiest way out of this one was to call in an evac. I didn't kill anyone LOL!

Those missions give you enough time to clear waves before getting to the relay.

A sniper with squad sight and a reaper to sight the relay makes this 10x easier.

MizzouRah · 08-01-2018, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Those missions give you enough time to clear waves before getting to the relay.

A sniper with squad sight and a reaper to sight the relay makes this 10x easier.

My reaper was tired so I didn't take her. Guess next time I'll do something else until she's rested.

Kodos · 08-04-2018, 09:31 PM

Debating getting Enemy Within or X-Com 2 on my laptop. I see 2 is on sale on steam. Is it significantly more difficult than Enemy Within (which kicks my ass on PS3)?

NobodyHere · 10-02-2018, 02:22 PM

Free (for a limited time) for PC users? No reason not to check this out.

Edward64 · 10-02-2018, 07:57 PM

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Free (for a limited time) for PC users? No reason not to check this out.

Cool, thanks for the heads up.

Jughead Spock · 10-02-2018, 08:30 PM

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Debating getting Enemy Within or X-Com 2 on my laptop. I see 2 is on sale on steam. Is it significantly more difficult than Enemy Within (which kicks my ass on PS3)?

I would say it is. And it's a freaking hog on resources, even on a decent system. War of the Chosen has some performance improvements, but 2 vanilla has a lot of trouble running on anything lower than great.

NobodyHere · 10-12-2018, 10:47 PM

I haven't dug into the new story missions much yet but I'm digging the original X-Com inspired soundtrack.

Edward64 · 10-13-2018, 11:00 AM

Halfway through the DJ mission. Legacy is easier than WOTC so far.

Edward64 · 10-14-2018, 07:04 PM

Finished all 4 missions. It was a little fun and somewhat short for a DLC (?), don't think there is much replayability and I would not want to pay for it.

Draft Dodger · 11-04-2018, 03:57 PM

the legacy thing prompted me to start another playthrough of the full campaign. I think it's my third.

this time around, I got the idea to base all my soldier nicknames and their color schemes on NFL team names (except the racist one). So I have a Raven decked out in purple and black, a Jet in green and white, etc. It's been fun. I could have finished a while ago but I'm going slow just because.

Edward64 · 11-04-2018, 06:10 PM

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the legacy thing prompted me to start another playthrough of the full campaign. I think it's my third.

this time around, I got the idea to base all my soldier nicknames and their color schemes on NFL team names (except the racist one). So I have a Raven decked out in purple and black, a Jet in green and white, etc. It's been fun. I could have finished a while ago but I'm going slow just because.

I did the same. Well underway with an ironman campaign and killed 2 of the 3 so far. I also plan on going slow but my colonels are starting to pile up.

I wish there was a Long War version for WOTC.

nilodor · 11-04-2018, 10:36 PM

I don’t know how I feel about the aliens great power. Although it was great to play as central again.

path12 · 11-05-2018, 04:13 PM

Damn, finally got WotC and man, it is just one thing after another -- playing ironman and from the very beginning feel like I'm just barely hanging in there.

Love everything except that you can't go one goddamn day of scanning without like five things happening.

MizzouRah · 11-05-2018, 04:24 PM

Yeah I was more into Xcom.. Xcom 2 WotC just hasn't grabbed me yet. I played it quite a bit at first but haven't felt like going back to it. I don't like all the choices, lol..

Edward64 · 11-23-2018, 09:08 AM

Finished my iron man game with WOTC with the 8 team mod. I had finished it a couple times before so it was a little underwhelming.

Planning to play XCom 2 Long War mod next time. I never finished that so hopefully it'll be fun for another 200-300 hours!

spleen1015 · 09-13-2019, 07:38 AM

I've been thinking about playing some XCOM 2. Do I need to play the original XCOM 2 or can I just jump into War of the Chosen?

Honolulu_Blue · 09-13-2019, 09:51 AM

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I've been thinking about playing some XCOM 2. Do I need to play the original XCOM 2 or can I just jump into War of the Chosen?

Just jump in. War of the Chosen is essentially the same game with additional content. Excellent, fun additional content, but if you start at the beginning with the War of the Chosen DLC, you'll be getting the same general story arc that you would without.

MizzouRah · 09-13-2019, 10:04 AM

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Just jump in. War of the Chosen is essentially the same game with additional content. Excellent, fun additional content, but if you start at the beginning with the War of the Chosen DLC, you'll be getting the same general story arc that you would without.

+1

BYU 14 · 09-13-2019, 11:51 AM

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+1

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Just jump in. War of the Chosen is essentially the same game with additional content. Excellent, fun additional content, but if you start at the beginning with the War of the Chosen DLC, you'll be getting the same general story arc that you would without.

+2 Great game! And you don't miss anything going straight to WOTC

NobodyHere · 09-13-2019, 12:04 PM

XCom 2 + WotC is probably my favorite game released in the past 5 years.

Edward64 · 09-25-2019, 04:23 PM

Some of you know the LW developers said a while ago they abandoned the WOTC LW mod.

Apparently its live again, Alpha stage. Not sure when it'll be released but looking forward to it.

Long War of the Chosen Beta 1 is officially released! - Pavonis Interactive Forums

XCom has a great fan base, very active and bunch of mods. I wish Firaxis would come out with more DLCs.

07-23-2018, 08:45 PM	#268
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Finally have a reaper, that nut job chosen took my skirmisher so I'll have to hunt him down (he's wounded pretty good). Each mission is one hell of a ride though! Last edited by MizzouRah : 07-23-2018 at 08:45 PM.

07-23-2018, 09:06 PM	#270
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	I struggled with that mission as well. Last time I played it I sent 1 guy in the base to rescue him, stealthy as much as possible. Everyone else I ran around the perimeter to the extraction point. Worked out well, spotted at his cell, but eliminated the guy befoe anyone else got in on the action, then snuck out. __________________

07-23-2018, 11:18 PM	#276
NobodyHere Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013	I really need to go back and one day complete the first XCom __________________ "I am God's prophet, and I need an attorney"

08-04-2018, 09:31 PM	#282
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Debating getting Enemy Within or X-Com 2 on my laptop. I see 2 is on sale on steam. Is it significantly more difficult than Enemy Within (which kicks my ass on PS3)? __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

10-02-2018, 02:22 PM	#283
NobodyHere Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013	Free (for a limited time) for PC users? No reason not to check this out. __________________ "I am God's prophet, and I need an attorney"

07-16-2018, 08:38 PM	#255
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Finally completed XCom EU, 55 hours total over a LONG period of time. Guess XCom 3 will be out before I complete 2. Going to dig into that tonight or tomorrow and this time I'll start with the WOC expansion since I skipped EW in the first one.

07-17-2018, 10:54 AM	#260
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Wow.. getting my arse kicked. Not used to newbie soliders.

07-18-2018, 10:21 AM	#263
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	These timed missions suck.

07-21-2018, 09:33 AM	#267
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	They have done one hell of a job with XC2 WOTC. I'm really having fun, the maps seem much more interactive, I like the "bonds" soldiers can have as well as the specialized classes. It seems much more involved than the first, like everything you do matters in some way.

07-23-2018, 09:41 PM	#271
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Hopefully my reaper is healthy when I do it. She took a hit vs that bastard chosen but lit him up with a claymore. I cannot stress enough how much more tactical XC2 is vs EU.

07-31-2018, 10:23 PM	#279
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	For some reason, this game is much harder than the original. Destroy a relay, says "easy". I get to the relay in cover and then BOOM I'm outnumbered 11-4. Yeah I save scum at times.. finally decided the easiest way out of this one was to call in an evac. I didn't kill anyone LOL!

10-12-2018, 10:47 PM	#286
NobodyHere Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013	I haven't dug into the new story missions much yet but I'm digging the original X-Com inspired soundtrack. __________________ "I am God's prophet, and I need an attorney"

10-13-2018, 11:00 AM	#287
Edward64 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2005	Halfway through the DJ mission. Legacy is easier than WOTC so far.

10-14-2018, 07:04 PM	#288
Edward64 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2005	Finished all 4 missions. It was a little fun and somewhat short for a DLC (?), don't think there is much replayability and I would not want to pay for it.

11-04-2018, 03:57 PM	#289
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	the legacy thing prompted me to start another playthrough of the full campaign. I think it's my third. this time around, I got the idea to base all my soldier nicknames and their color schemes on NFL team names (except the racist one). So I have a Raven decked out in purple and black, a Jet in green and white, etc. It's been fun. I could have finished a while ago but I'm going slow just because. __________________ Mile High Hockey

11-04-2018, 10:36 PM	#291
nilodor College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: calgary, AB	I don’t know how I feel about the aliens great power. Although it was great to play as central again.

11-05-2018, 04:13 PM	#292
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Damn, finally got WotC and man, it is just one thing after another -- playing ironman and from the very beginning feel like I'm just barely hanging in there. Love everything except that you can't go one goddamn day of scanning without like five things happening. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

11-05-2018, 04:24 PM	#293
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Yeah I was more into Xcom.. Xcom 2 WotC just hasn't grabbed me yet. I played it quite a bit at first but haven't felt like going back to it. I don't like all the choices, lol.. Last edited by MizzouRah : 11-05-2018 at 04:25 PM.

11-23-2018, 09:08 AM	#294
Edward64 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2005	Finished my iron man game with WOTC with the 8 team mod. I had finished it a couple times before so it was a little underwhelming. Planning to play XCom 2 Long War mod next time. I never finished that so hopefully it'll be fun for another 200-300 hours!

09-13-2019, 07:38 AM	#295
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	I've been thinking about playing some XCOM 2. Do I need to play the original XCOM 2 or can I just jump into War of the Chosen? __________________ Why choose failure when success is an option?

09-13-2019, 12:04 PM	#299
NobodyHere Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013	XCom 2 + WotC is probably my favorite game released in the past 5 years. __________________ "I am God's prophet, and I need an attorney"

09-25-2019, 04:23 PM	#300
Edward64 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2005	Some of you know the LW developers said a while ago they abandoned the WOTC LW mod. Apparently its live again, Alpha stage. Not sure when it'll be released but looking forward to it. Long War of the Chosen Beta 1 is officially released! - Pavonis Interactive Forums XCom has a great fan base, very active and bunch of mods. I wish Firaxis would come out with more DLCs.

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