POTUS 2016 General Election Discussion Thread

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

No, I'm not a liberal at all.

I of course want the American economy to do well. That's why I'm against the insanely high tariffs he's proposed. I'd prefer not to pay over $1200 for a smartphone or an extra $5,000 for a new car. Sure it increases a handful of jobs in manufacturing industries, but that's at the expense of a tax on every single American on just about every single product we sell. This is perhaps why both the left and the right have agreed that tariffs are a terrible idea. Decades of economic data have proven it. But I do admit enjoying those on the right prop up a failing far-left economic policy.

And no, you can't "easily cut 20% of the budget". Here is a spending breakdown:



Now Trump has stated he won't cut Social Security or Medicare benefits which accounts to about 60% of our federal budget. He has also been adamant about dramatically increasing military spending which currently accounts for 16% of the budget. He has also stated he is going to be increasing benefits for Veterans which accounts for 4% of the budget.

So between areas he says he will not cut or increase spending, we have 80% of the budget. He would have to eliminate every single other penny spent by the Federal government to meet his 20% promise. This would of course have to include defaulting on our debt.

Now this would be tough because Trump has promised massive infrastructure spending. He in fact scoffed at Hillary's $275 billion proposal saying it was "a fraction" of what he wanted to spend. This goes with his massive military and veteran benefits spending.

Perhaps his understanding of the budget is why he has failed so spectacularly in business.

And his tax plan would add an average of over 400 billion per year to the deficit.

[digamma]

Originally Posted by Dutch

I always like that graph. I'd like to see a graph that shows how many federal tax dollars the government collected from us in 2015. I'm sure it's readily available, I just don't have time right now to get it posted.

I'm not really sure what you're asking for but the total federal tax revenues for 2015 were approximately $3.2 trillion.

[King of New York]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Such a good guy he received $162,000 in gifts as Governor with of course no expectation of giving anything in return.

By Virginia standards of corruption, Kaine showed admirable restraint

[digamma]

Originally Posted by Cap Heresy

...ILLEGALS...ILLEGAL ...

And you complain that those who disagree with you don't want to have an intelligent exchange?

Happy Thursday!

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Well, this page is...........interesting.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by Cap Heresy

I am not close to being an uneducated racist white male.

Oooh... I don't know about that.

[Subby]

Originally Posted by Cap Heresy

The Clinton Empire is much scarier. Hillary is secretive and careless, she promises pie in the sky just to get votes, and her husband is senile.

Good talk, buddy. Solid points. You just changed my mind!

[Subby]

Trump courts the terminally ill vote - BBC News

SassyTrump dramatic reading:

[panerd]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Well, this page is...........interesting.

I think a lot of the liberal posters are taking the bait. This guy has been around 4 years and just yesterday pops up in this thread, global warming, and the Michael Brown all at the same time. Just seems a bit fishy.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Cap Heresy

I want to keep American safe, don't you?

So... What's your stance on gun control, Mr. Keep America Safe? Or are you just concerned about keeping America Safe from

Originally Posted by Cap Heresy

I am not close to being an uneducated racist white male.

Okay. Let's unpack this a bit.

You may well be educated.

That being said, based on the 2-3 posts that I've read of yours on this page (the only posts I've read of yours) I would say you kinda lean racist.

I am pretty sure you're a male.

And, while I don't know if you're white or not, odds are that you are.

So, I reckon you're pretty damn close to it.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by panerd

I think a lot of the liberal posters are taking the bait.

Agreed... but I have to get in here with this.

Originally Posted by Cap Heresy

I am not close to being an uneducated racist white male.

So you are a well-educated, inclusion-minded, non-white woman?

[nol]

Originally Posted by panerd

I think a lot of the liberal posters are taking the bait. This guy has been around 4 years and just yesterday pops up in this thread, global warming, and the Michael Brown all at the same time. Just seems a bit fishy.

Yeah, I just assumed tarcone or Dutch or someone was drunk and forgot to sign into their normal account, so I was having a little fun with it.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by nol

Yeah, I just assumed tarcone or Dutch or someone was drunk and forgot to sign into their normal account, so I was having a little fun with it.

That sounds like Cap Heresay.

[Subby]

So THIS is what breitbart means by cuckservative. We just call that pwned.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by Subby

So THIS is what breitbart means by cuckservative. We just call that pwned.

"May I stay with you for a bit? My wife kicked me out when I kissed the penis tip of the man who insulted her." pic.twitter.com/R3qKjYVqA4

— rob delaney (@robdelaney) October 6, 2016

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by mckerney

"May I stay with you for a bit? My wife kicked me out when I kissed the penis tip of the man who insulted her." pic.twitter.com/R3qKjYVqA4

— rob delaney (@robdelaney) October 6, 2016

Ha. Was just coming here to post this.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by Cap Heresy

Looks like a lot of words, but I stopped at "eat his shit".

Aw. Is reading hard? I'm sorry.

You liberal goons are supposedly soooo concerned about political correctness and not "offending" anybody's delicate sensibilities.

Goons, huh? Oh, please, continue.

But these same liberals (inc you) have no problem stereotyping Trump supporters.

1) Trump isn't conservative. He's not close.
2) You know nothing about my politics, other than that I vehemently oppose Trump's election, and that's enough for you to assert my liberalism. I don't know about stereotyping, but we've certainly got projection all up in this place.

I am not close to being an uneducated

Uneducated or ignorant. Have your choice.

racist

Debatable

white

Nobody asserted otherwise, but it would make you a special snowflake if you were a non-white Trump supporter. There aren't many of those.

male.

Again, no judgment here. Just a comment that if you're a non-white, non-male, that fairly well sets you apart from most of the rest of the Trump base.

I'm glad I don't know you in real life, lest you chase me down the street and beat me up. The Violent Left. Go fuck yourself.

Aaaaaand we're back to projection, ladies and gentlesquids.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Did Megyn Kelly take a shot at Hannity? What I *thought* I heard her say was "Donald Trump is with Sean Hannity right now. We'll see if he talks to the journalists in the room." Did I hear that correctly?

More sparks. Do we think this is a real catfight, or a scripted storyline?

Sean Hannity responds to Megyn Kelly, accuses her of supporting Hillary Clinton | TheBlaze.com

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

More sparks. Do we think this is a real catfight, or a scripted storyline?

Sean Hannity responds to Megyn Kelly, accuses her of supporting Hillary Clinton | TheBlaze.com

Trump learned a lot from WWE

I'm reading this as a grain of truth (Kelly hates Trump; Hannity loves him) artificially exploded into a catfight for ratings.

[albionmoonlight]

So isn't Clinton's play at the debate just to troll Trump with some version of "Out of all the people you could have picked for VP, you took this nobody Mike Pence and put him on the national stage and he flat out dissed you on national TV. How does that feel?" (her team would massage that to make it sound more Presidential).

How could that not just send Trump into a rage spiral? It would seem to hit all of his buttons at once.

[bhlloy]

A good debate for Trump probably has things changing in a hurry, but 538 has Clinton back up around 80% in their conservative model and ahead in every single swing state up to AZ

So yeah, expect to see the storylines and the controversial Trump come out over the next few days.

[AENeuman]

Originally Posted by Cap Heresy

Trump is unpolished and speaks off the cuff. If you mean his position on the Iraq war, (1) Just about everybody has changed their "position", (2) Trump's opinions came without benefit of intel briefings, and (3) it doesn't matter now. The Clinton Empire is much scarier. Hillary is secretive and careless, she promises pie in the sky just to get votes, and her husband is senile. California is preparing to give Obamacare to ILLEGALS, and another ILLEGAL who was deported EIGHT times recently murdered an American. Is that the country you want to live in?

Oh yeah! Well, Bingo Gas Station Motel Cheeseburger With A Side Of Aircraft Noise And You'll Be Gary Indiana!

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by Cap Heresy

California is preparing to give Obamacare to ILLEGALS, and another ILLEGAL who was deported EIGHT times recently murdered an American. Is that the country you want to live in?

Yes.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Yes.

Can't say I have any problem living in a country where those here illegally can buy health insurance off of California's exchange without receiving subsidies. Seems alright to me.

[albionmoonlight]

Went ahead and put a little money on Trump not participating in all 3 debates at 11c/share.

I think that the hurricane might get him to at least hint about not going so that he can help provide disaster relief and/or "it is not appropriate for us to have this debate while so many people have just lost their homes"

As longshots go, I'll take that at 10 to 1.

He may or may not do it, but one stray remark would be enough to make that market move, I think.

[ISiddiqui]

I think with the polls going so far Clinton's way that Trump is going to HAVE to go and participate in the 2nd debate, at least. To slow his slide or reverse it at any rate.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

I think with the polls going so far Clinton's way that Trump is going to HAVE to do participate in the 2nd debate, at least. To slow his slide or reverse it at any rate.

What slide? Trump won the first debate, is winning in all of the unbiased polls, and is on his way to making America great again with a 50 state sweep.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

I think with the polls going so far Clinton's way that Trump is going to HAVE to do participate in the 2nd debate, at least. To slow his slide or reverse it at any rate.

That makes perfect sense.

I also think that the image of Trump flying into Florida as a hero and handing out supplies to needy families while Hillary is chastised for ignoring them is very appealing to Trump.

[ISiddiqui]

On the other hand, it'll be really windy... does he really want to take a chance with that super massive comb over?

[CrescentMoonie]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

On the other hand, it'll be really windy... does he really want to take a chance with that super massive comb over?

He has his super swanky hats for that.

[RainMaker]

One of my favorite old Trump stories is how the "self-made" man had to have his Dad come into his casinos to buy a bunch of chips he never cashed in so they could make payments.

N.j. Agency Says Trump Loan Illegal - philly-archives

[SirFozzie]

Right Wing Talk on Twitter: "Donald Trump's spokeswoman Katrina Pierson on Muslim ban: “So What? They’re Muslim!” https://t.co/cumnCWJYKV"

So What! They're Muslim!

I'm sure Jon and crew love that as much as "the other side" cringes at the line.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Right Wing Talk on Twitter: "Donald Trump's spokeswoman Katrina Pierson on Muslim ban: “So What? They’re Muslim!” https://t.co/cumnCWJYKV"

So What! They're Muslim!

I'm sure Jon and crew love that as much as "the other side" cringes at the line.

She's the same one who complained that there were no pure breeds left when Romney and Obama were running for president.

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by Cap Heresy

Looks like a lot of words, but I stopped at "eat his shit". You liberal goons are supposedly soooo concerned about political correctness and not "offending" anybody's delicate sensibilities. But these same liberals (inc you) have no problem stereotyping Trump supporters. I am not close to being an uneducated racist white male. I'm glad I don't know you in real life, lest you chase me down the street and beat me up. The Violent Left. Go fuck yourself.

You seem fun.

Originally Posted by panerd

I think a lot of the liberal posters are taking the bait.

Nah, probably just bored.

Originally Posted by CrescentMoonie

He has his super swanky hats for that.

They're all made in China, though. Probably flimsy.

[BishopMVP]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/04/politi...ing/index.html

[Ben E Lou]

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I'm having a hard time picturing anything positive coming from this. I hope he'll concede defeat.

[JPhillips]

A snippet from Trump's lawyers from one of his bankruptcy filings:

Q: Was it necessary for both you and Mr. Miller to always attend the meeting —

A: We always do that.

Q: Always?

A: We tried to do it with Donald always if we could because Donald says certain things and then has a lack of memory.

[Peregrine]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

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I'm having a hard time picturing anything positive coming from this. I hope he'll concede defeat.

I'm imagining instead of the polite and quiet election folks who hand out voter guides, some Trumpite ranting and raving about rigged elections.

[cuervo72]

There were comments about this on a 538 article (separating OH and PA) where someone said they got a call to be an election "bouncer." In Philly, which is heavily Democratic. So yeah, that reads more as intimidation or voter suppression (if not outright physical confrontation) than quiet election folks.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

There were comments about this on a 538 article (separating OH and PA) where someone said they got a call to be an election "bouncer." In Philly, which is heavily Democratic. So yeah, that reads more as intimidation or voter suppression (if not outright physical confrontation) than quiet election folks.

Trump-related violence of at least some sort on November 8th and/or 9th seems to be basically a given. And if his ego won't allow him to concede defeat and instead he goes the "it was rigged" route...

[lungs]

Google "Trump Lion Guard" and you'll see there is a group with a much more fascist bent to them

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Trump-related violence of at least some sort on November 8th and/or 9th seems to be basically a given. And if his ego won't allow him to concede defeat and instead he goes the "it was rigged" route...

His stance of "of course I'll accept the results," coupled with setting up the general population with the mindset "that if I lose it's because she cheated," coupled with "help me fight," coupled with his desire to wash his hands of things that don't go his way, means that it's going to come down to "I have no control over what the citizens of the United States choose after they decide on how this election was run."

It's a very familiar road given his past track record.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

I'm having a hard time picturing anything positive coming from this.

Kind of how I feel about the heavily (D) "poll watchers" that hover around some of the precincts here. And I've seen it be considerably worse in a previous location, to the point of bordering on intimidation tactics.

Both sides can have "activists" ya know, that's not exclusively liberal territory, they don't get to lay claim to fucking everything.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

His stance of "of course I'll accept the results,"

I thought he basically recanted that recently. Checking...

[Ben E Lou]

Yup. NYT Interview.

Log In - The New York Times

Mr. Trump, aiming to unnerve Mrs. Clinton, even indicated that he was rethinking his statement at their last debate that he would “absolutely” support her if she won in November, saying: “We’re going to have to see. We’re going to see what happens. We’re going to have to see.”

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Kind of how I feel about the heavily (D) "poll watchers" that hover around some of the precincts here. And I've seen it be considerably worse in a previous location, to the point of bordering on intimidation tactics.

Both sides can have "activists" ya know, that's not exclusively liberal territory, they don't get to lay claim to fucking everything.

I've never seen Mrs Smith, the 85-yr old lady poll watcher, be particularly intimidating, but they do have to be very watchful. You think that all this is going to temper that at all? Especially if your politician fills up the joint with pipe hittin' thugs.

But as for the fucking everything line, I suppose that there are people on both sides who support fucking everything, I wouldn't even come close to calling it exclusive liberal territory.

[EagleFan]

Seeing those Clinton "every child matters" commercials turn my stomach. I guess every child unless they are standing in the way of your legal career. In that case they are fair game...

[mckerney]

Trump campaign is canceling hundreds of thousands of dollars in advertising in Fla, NC, OH, possibly other states, per two buying sources.

— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) October 7, 2016

Cancelations represent next week's buy, per the sources. Possible they are shifting elsewhere for final three weeks https://t.co/PrQ5U1vtAu

— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) October 7, 2016

Shifting away from two states they need to win to have a chance and that have had Trump polling behind in seems like a bold strategy.

[Subby]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Seeing those Clinton "every child matters" commercials turn my stomach. I guess every child unless they are standing in the way of your legal career. In that case they are fair game...

To which case(s) are you referring?

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by mckerney

Shifting away from two states they need to win to have a chance and that have had Trump polling behind in seems like a bold strategy.