01-10-2021, 08:29 PM | #31601 |
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F Belichick if he accepts the Medal of Freedom from Trump.
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01-10-2021, 10:03 PM | #31602 |
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Eh, I get it given his affinity for history and it is the highest civilian award in the country. It also lends credence to my theory that Trump was coming back to the White House to get more pictures.
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01-10-2021, 10:10 PM | #31603 |
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Can he go pick it up from Biden?
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01-10-2021, 11:12 PM | #31604 |
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01-11-2021, 09:46 AM | #31605 |
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Melania is doing her best to remind people how horrible she really is.
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01-11-2021, 09:53 AM | #31606 | |
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The "Free Melania" movement was always weird. At no point did she ever indicate she was anything other than 100% behind her husband. And it is pretty clear that she, herself, is personally a pretty horrible human being. People just assumed that she was "trapped" in that marriage based on nothing. |
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01-11-2021, 10:17 AM | #31607 |
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01-11-2021, 10:35 AM | #31608 | |
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01-11-2021, 11:25 AM | #31609 | |
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Not really, but it would make a great movie. I am surprised it is not a common conspiracy. |
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01-11-2021, 01:29 PM | #31610 |
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*sigh*
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01-11-2021, 01:50 PM | #31611 |
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Opinion: Democrats Have Been Shameless About Your Presidential Vote Too
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/o...ral-votes.html Thought this was interesting as I didn't know the history of objecting to the electoral votes in the past prior to this week. Last edited by bob : 01-11-2021 at 01:50 PM. |
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01-11-2021, 02:49 PM | #31613 |
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Yes, there's a difference between publicity stunts and actually coordinating with folks to overturn an election.
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01-11-2021, 02:55 PM | #31614 | |
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This is a false equivalency and has already been disproved but doesn't stop Rs and Fox from bringing it up over and over. This guy is a opinion write and a law professor from Iowa so can guess his political leanings. Dems have had a house member or two object to the election ( never 162) but they never got a Senator to go along with it let alone 7! |
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01-11-2021, 03:11 PM | #31615 | |
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The University of Iowa is as liberal as they come. Growing up there it was considered 10 square miles of liberalism in a sea of conservatism. Shoot, the town had a socialist, feminist, lesbian council member. Every vote on the city council was 6-1. The city used to harass that poor women. This was in the 80s, so you can imagine how she was treated.
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01-11-2021, 04:36 PM | #31616 | |
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I wasn’t equivocating - I was just posted an article I thought was interesting because I didn’t realize it had happened before (although it’s not like the ones in 2000 are surprising). |
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01-11-2021, 06:24 PM | #31617 | |
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Thanks for the correct my bad |
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01-11-2021, 06:26 PM | #31618 | |
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01-11-2021, 08:08 PM | #31619 |
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Bill Belichick says he won’t accept Presidential Medal of Freedom from Trump
By Cindy Boren https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...al-of-freedom/ Well that may hurt Trump the most... Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using Tapatalk
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01-11-2021, 08:08 PM | #31620 |
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New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick won't accept Presidential Medal of Freedom from Donald Trump Does Belichick hate the President? Is he a part of Antifa? Is he a leftist? WE NEED ANSWERS!
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01-11-2021, 08:50 PM | #31621 |
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“We’re on to Biden.”
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01-12-2021, 06:16 AM | #31622 | |
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Yeah, being awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom is now less prestigious than being a Subway spokesman.
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01-12-2021, 06:49 AM | #31623 |
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Its like applebees being given a James Beard Award
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01-12-2021, 09:40 AM | #31624 |
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Reports are saying that Trump did not like being told that if he pardons himself, he opens himself up for civil damages because a pardon is an admission of guilt. He reportedly said that if he can't pardon himself, he's not giving anymore pardons to anyone. I hope this is true.
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01-12-2021, 09:48 AM | #31625 |
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I dislike Trump as much as the next guy.
But I think that a pardon worded along the lines of "I pardon myself for whatever federal crimes I may have committed up until today" would be enough to prevent prosecutions as a practical matter. And would not open him up to liability b/c it isn't really an admission of anything. No one really knows b/c the answer will be whatever the Supreme Court says when and if they ever get a question about it. But I see little downside in phrasing it that way. |
01-12-2021, 09:52 AM | #31626 |
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I don't know if a general pardon is going to stand up in court. It hasn't been challenged before. I also doubt a self pardon is going to stand. I think that statement will probably doubly fail.
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01-12-2021, 10:51 AM | #31627 | |
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So there was a discussion yesterday on CNN about the WH counsel and Bill Barr recommending Trump not pardon himself. John Dean basically hypothesized that the reason was that if Trump doesn't pardon himself, there is a chance he doesn't get prosecuted. If Trump does pardon himself, the chances of prosecution actually goes up considerably because the pardon itself violates the DOJ internal memo in the Nixon case. I don't know if that is accurate but I can see the logic and would explain why there are Trump supporters who are recommending against the hail mary pardon. |
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01-12-2021, 10:57 AM | #31628 |
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I’m starting to wonder if encouraging an armed mob to kill the one person in a position to give him an iron-clad pardon was smart politics.
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01-12-2021, 11:00 AM | #31629 |
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01-12-2021, 11:48 AM | #31630 | |
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What "Reports" are these? I thought it was internet fiction that a pardon requires an admission of guilt.
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01-12-2021, 12:23 PM | #31631 | |
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The Supreme Court has ruled that a pardon is admission of guilt:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burd...n%20of%20it%22. Quote:
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01-12-2021, 12:39 PM | #31632 |
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Looks like the circus is continuing today with Trump flying down to Texas to visit the 450 miles of border wall that was constructed during his presidency. Should provide some good humor. Biden has vowed that not another penny will be spent on the border wall during his watch. Perhaps Joe feels that money could be better used helping Iran to accelerate their nuclear program.
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01-12-2021, 12:45 PM | #31633 | |
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I'm sure that's Joe's main platform; that and supporting the rise of the lizard people.
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01-12-2021, 12:51 PM | #31634 |
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01-12-2021, 12:52 PM | #31635 |
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Yeah, IIRC that's at least twice now that VV has suggested that Biden is pro-Iran.
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01-12-2021, 01:13 PM | #31636 | |
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Probably more than twice, but I don't mean to infer that Biden is "pro Iran". More like "naive on Iran." They'd never admit it publicly, but I'll bet the Iranian leaders are giddy with excitement for the likely upcoming appeasement, so they can get back to the business of developing their nuclear weapons program without all of these obstacles. |
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01-12-2021, 01:25 PM | #31637 | |
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They already have been enriching Uranium under the orange one.
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01-12-2021, 01:33 PM | #31638 |
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That line of reasoning might sound sane if Biden hadn't been part of an administration that crafted an explicit, direct policy around Iran's nuclear weapons program & Trump's administration hadn't blow it up entirely, but I'm sure you've got some alternate version of history you're dying to tell everybody.
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01-12-2021, 01:33 PM | #31639 |
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They've been enriching more uranium under the orange one than they did under the deal which allowed independent observers. You can't tell some people that, but pulling out of the Iran deal was a complete disaster.
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01-12-2021, 01:41 PM | #31640 |
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Huh. Usually Trump's policies have been so well thought out...
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01-12-2021, 01:57 PM | #31641 |
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Never mind that Biden was part of an administration that (allegedly) did the best, most elegant thing I'd seen to screw with Iran and couldn't really be traced back to them: Stuxnet.
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01-12-2021, 02:02 PM | #31642 |
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Iran, I am sure, prefers the administration that talks tough but has no idea how to stop them over the administration that has a documented history of containing them.
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01-12-2021, 02:04 PM | #31643 | |
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Agree wholeheartedly. On paper, it was an explicit policy, that in theory would be fine if the Iranians had followed through with it on good faith. On second thought, maybe we need to give them more time. I'm sure they'll get around to doing the right thing eventually. |
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01-12-2021, 02:07 PM | #31644 | |
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Maybe Trump’s love letter campaign with North Korea will work ‘em.
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01-12-2021, 02:11 PM | #31645 |
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And again, you might sound sane if you were applying the same level of analysis & judgment (or any at all) towards the past four full years.
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01-12-2021, 02:27 PM | #31646 | |
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You have evidence of prohibited Iranian work on nuclear weapons during the timeframe that the treaty was active? You should publish that because it would be really huge news.
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Heh Pompeo cancels trip to Luxembourg because the country and EU officials refused to meet with him
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01-12-2021, 03:40 PM | #31648 |
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I certainly don't think Obama/Biden were pro-Iranian but they were definitely not near as anti-Iranian or as pro-Israeli as Trump is. And I think this is what VV is trying to communicate with his statement on "naive" in an earlier post.
Nevertheless, I agree with the Obama/Biden approach to Iran back then (but not sure it'll work now with the past 4 years). |
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Every administration is going to handle foreign countries differently. As you said, Trump was arguably tougher on Iran but he gave Russia a free pass for 4 years, did nothing when the country that orchestrated 9/11 killed Khashoggi and then turned around and sold them $300 billion in weapons. All while eroding the trust of our traditional allies and passing love letters back and forth with KJU. Doom and glooming over Biden and Iran makes little sense to me when he was at least part of an administration that made concrete attempts to reel Iran's nuclear capabilities. |
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01-12-2021, 05:16 PM | #31650 | |
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Not quite. The the judge in that case was remarking that accepting a pardon would lead to the perception of guilt by the public. Not that he's actually guilty of anything. Just like if someone "pleads the fifth". You probably think that they have something to hide.
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